Speaker 1: Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Good pickup with Britt Hockley and Laura Burn.
Speaker 3: Baby Worth our windows done. That's my world. Reason the
Speaker 3: dust only good, babs all down.
Speaker 4: I don't much, but yeah, I'm not our big get
Speaker 4: and what I want it don't matter where.
Speaker 5: This is the.
Speaker 3: Pickup Happy Friday. It's the pick up with Britt Hockley.
Speaker 4: And Laura brn I think you'd say happy frye.
Speaker 3: You might, I might not.
Speaker 4: No, it is a fry A. Guess who released a
Speaker 4: new Songttany this morning, Miley sor I definitely didn't Brittany's
Speaker 4: wrong with Me with You?
Speaker 3: It was Miley Cyrus.
Speaker 2: I literally just read it on our prep notes and
Speaker 2: then my brain went Britney Spears.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 4: Miley Cyrus. It's been a hot second since she's released
Speaker 4: a song, but she did release one this morning, and
Speaker 4: it is called End of the World. We are gonna
Speaker 4: play it for you. Personally, I love it. I love Miley.
Speaker 4: I think she's an absolute vibe and it's because she's
Speaker 4: got an album coming out later this year, something beautiful,
Speaker 4: so she's like drip feeding.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we'll for you guys next, But I
Speaker 2: have a question for you. How long do you think
Speaker 2: is too long to send a like, hey, how you being?
Speaker 4: Text?
Speaker 3: Are you hit?
Speaker 1: Not long?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Does this match? I? One's hard on Tinder?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I got a message from a guy who I would
Speaker 3: not call it dating.
Speaker 2: It was yeah, hangs and bangs. I just got a
Speaker 2: very random text from him out of nowhere popped.
Speaker 3: Up, Hey are you being?
Speaker 4: How long are we talking?
Speaker 3: Fourteen years?
Speaker 4: Yep? Well, I can tell you fourteen years is too long?
Speaker 3: Fourteen years?
Speaker 2: Do you think he's just become single or do you
Speaker 2: think something happened in his life, like, hey, how you been?
Speaker 4: Maybe he was just thinking about you? Why you are
Speaker 4: everywhere at the moment?
Speaker 3: What have you been doing?
Speaker 2: Just had to a couple of kids, got married? We're
Speaker 2: not a reality TV show.
Speaker 4: Did you write back?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not gonna write back. I feel like there's nothing.
Speaker 2: Much to say, or there's too much to say that
Speaker 2: I can't say it in technic.
Speaker 4: Were just right back?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 4: Or thumbs up? Just put a thumb up? Passive aggressive,
Speaker 4: being busy?
Speaker 2: Surely though, Like you know, you have people that you
Speaker 2: match with on Tinder and then it's been a while,
Speaker 2: like the conversation's going great, then you goes to them
Speaker 2: because you get over it. How long until you can
Speaker 2: send them another message and be like, hey, sorry, I goes,
Speaker 2: did you I'm bad?
Speaker 4: I did that once. I had organized date with this
Speaker 4: guy and then I just we just faded out, weren't interested.
Speaker 4: And then two years later I didn't have a lot
Speaker 4: going on, and I saw the conversation was still in there,
Speaker 4: and I was just like, how about that drink? And
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, right, and that's too long, okay.
Speaker 4: I have actually been dying for an update. You've been
Speaker 4: talking earlier in the week about how your smallest daughter,
Speaker 4: Lola or I finally call her Lola Derby. You've been
Speaker 4: talking about her being an absolute nightmare in your bed.
Speaker 3: No, nothing's changed.
Speaker 2: So Lola's four for anyone who's not familiar. So at
Speaker 2: nighttime she gets into my bed every night. We're at
Speaker 2: the point now where I say good night to her
Speaker 2: and I'll be like, see you in the morning, sweetheart,
Speaker 2: and I give you a little kiss, and she goes, na, mummy.
Speaker 3: See you soon, and she just.
Speaker 2: She gets up at midnight, wanders through the dark, climbs
Speaker 2: into my bed and then she sleeps horizontally across it
Speaker 2: and to the point now where Matt gets out, he
Speaker 2: goes and sleeps in the spare room.
Speaker 4: It also sounds so calculated and evil, like see you soon,
Speaker 4: Like she knows. She's like, I'm not going to wait
Speaker 4: for a nightmare or I'm not gonna wait to wake up.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna literally like I'll pretend to go to
Speaker 4: sleep for ten minutes.
Speaker 2: That it's every single night clockwork. My child's body clock
Speaker 2: is midnight mum's room.
Speaker 4: Well, you have been talking about this. I mean you
Speaker 4: and I have been friends for a very long time
Speaker 4: and this has been an issue from as long as
Speaker 4: I can remember. And recently I saw a pediatrician online.
Speaker 4: His name is doctor Gollie, and he was going pretty
Speaker 4: viral for his sleep technique. He says he's a sleep
Speaker 4: expert for like unsettled babies and really helping distraught families
Speaker 4: like yourself.
Speaker 3: I'm not restaught, I'm just tired.
Speaker 4: So I've got him on the phone because I figure
Speaker 4: doctor Gollie is going to be able to help you
Speaker 4: where I can't. Doctor Gollie, welcome to the pickup.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4: Now you're going viral for this camp out method. Can
Speaker 4: you explain what this is?
Speaker 5: It's really, to say, not a rip off the band
Speaker 5: aid method. It's a slow way of getting kids to
Speaker 5: sleep through the night in their own room. If the
Speaker 5: issue is they have created a little bit of a
Speaker 5: shall we say, unhealthy or unwarranted in Laura's case, attachment
Speaker 5: to mum or.
Speaker 2: Dad or both, I mean feeling personally victimized here unhealthy also.
Speaker 3: But okay, how does this work?
Speaker 2: Because we've tried, We've tried a few different things, and like,
Speaker 2: what do you tried Laura telling her to stay in
Speaker 2: her own bed, locking her.
Speaker 3: In there, putting the pad locks. She just finds her
Speaker 3: way back.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter where I am, because like I'll move,
Speaker 2: I don't always sleep in my own bed. Sometimes I
Speaker 2: sleep in the spare room. She's just like I find you,
Speaker 2: and she comes through the night and then I hear
Speaker 2: a little footsteps down the hallway and there she is,
Speaker 2: like a dementor, next to the bed in the dark.
Speaker 5: I think the really important thing to note is that
Speaker 5: if it's not a problem for you, it's the problem
Speaker 5: you don't want this, But for all your listeners, if
Speaker 5: it's not a problem, and if you kind of like it,
Speaker 5: and a lot of parents you say to me, you know,
Speaker 5: this is such a short period of time when the
Speaker 5: kids you know are young and they're cute and cuddly
Speaker 5: and their little koalas and want that. I love that.
Speaker 5: Then there's absolutely nothing I'm healthy about it. It's not
Speaker 5: I don't want anyone to feel like they have to
Speaker 5: make this change. If they're really happy with co sleeping
Speaker 5: or kids coming into the night in the middle of
Speaker 5: the night, it's absolutely totally fine. It's healthy, not an issue.
Speaker 5: But if you maybe want your own bed, your own
Speaker 5: space without kids coming in the middle of the night,
Speaker 5: it is definitely something you can fix.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say when she was younger, because she
Speaker 2: used to be a really good sleeper, and so when
Speaker 2: she was younger it didn't bother us, like we were
Speaker 2: quite happy to have a climb in the bed and
Speaker 2: should sleep between us. But now that she's older, she
Speaker 2: just kind of motors around and so someone ends up
Speaker 2: getting kicked in the back or kicked in the side.
Speaker 2: But this method that you're speaking of, the camp out method,
Speaker 2: I mean, Bridge shown me a little bit about it,
Speaker 2: and I have my questions because I'm not convinced it's
Speaker 2: going to work in our household?
Speaker 4: What are you doing in the camp out method? Where
Speaker 4: does Laura start?
Speaker 5: So it takes anywhere from one week to four weeks,
Speaker 5: depending on how quickly you want to actually maneuver this method.
Speaker 5: But essentially you put a life in her bedroom, in
Speaker 5: her bed where you intend for her to sleep the
Speaker 5: way you're currently doing it. But then at the same
Speaker 5: time you go to bed in the same room. So
Speaker 5: you actually move a single mattress into her room, and
Speaker 5: you both sleep through the night together in that same room,
Speaker 5: but in separate beds. And the summary of the method
Speaker 5: is that ever so slowly you move that mattress closer
Speaker 5: and closer to the door, eventually on the other side
Speaker 5: of the door in the hallway, and then again you
Speaker 5: inch it every night or two further away until eventually
Speaker 5: it's in the corridor, and then magically just returns to
Speaker 5: your own bedroom.
Speaker 2: Okay, my fear is that this is an absolute stitch
Speaker 2: up and we will both be sleeping in a trundle
Speaker 2: bed in the hallway.
Speaker 3: That's what I think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Because she will just come, she will just come to me,
Speaker 2: She'll get out of her bed and walk across the room.
Speaker 4: Do you think this is a foolproof method, doctor Gollie, Like,
Speaker 4: do you think obviously Laura might be at you said
Speaker 4: two to four weeks, she might be at the full week.
Speaker 4: You might edge up the hallway for a month Laura.
Speaker 4: But do you think is full proof that any child,
Speaker 4: any relationship with a parent, this can work for them.
Speaker 5: There's no such thing as full proof when it comes
Speaker 5: to pediatrics. But the more you set yourself up for success,
Speaker 5: the more likely you are to succeed. So we have
Speaker 5: to sort of unpick what it is with all. Is
Speaker 5: she worried about something in particular? Is there a dog barking?
Speaker 5: Is something waking her and making her unsettled? Is it
Speaker 5: just the temperature change that happens at midnight and that's
Speaker 5: why she's waking up? You know, we can use positive reinforcements,
Speaker 5: So it might be a reward chart that you build
Speaker 5: up towards a gift or an experience with mum and
Speaker 5: dad and Mary, whatever it may be. It's almost like
Speaker 5: you have to have the stars aligned and then you
Speaker 5: can implement the camping out method if you need to.
Speaker 5: But she's probably just seeking that connection, that reassurance that
Speaker 5: mummy is close by, the other thing that you know
Speaker 5: as a pediatrician, I can't help but think of is
Speaker 5: especially if you notice when she's coming into your bed
Speaker 5: at nighttime and she's tossing and turning. Do we actually
Speaker 5: have a sleep problem? Like do we need to explore
Speaker 5: her sleep and maybe her airway? There's so many different
Speaker 5: parts for this puzzle.
Speaker 4: Have you actually about Laura, like genuinely have you asked
Speaker 4: her why she comes in? Like have you tried to
Speaker 4: get to the bottom of like if she's hot, is
Speaker 4: she having nightmares or terrors or just she just want
Speaker 4: to be with you?
Speaker 2: She she just says she just wants to be cuddled.
Speaker 2: She wants to be in bed with us and have
Speaker 2: a cuddle.
Speaker 4: So could you get one of those huge pit like
Speaker 4: a pregnancy pillow, like one of those ones that wraps
Speaker 4: around her or something. Well, I think that we can
Speaker 4: give this a go, Laura. I think you need to
Speaker 4: put what doctor Gollie has said into practice. This is
Speaker 4: for yourself. I'm not doing it for me. I'm not
Speaker 4: doing it for the content. I'm doing it purely because
Speaker 4: I want to help you have a better night.
Speaker 2: Sleep and I will be the sacrificial am. Oh, look,
Speaker 2: we'll report back and see how this works.
Speaker 5: You can throw Maddie under the bat so you can
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 3: Nah, she doesn't want a dad, She only wants me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she screams at him get out of my room
Speaker 2: at a time if he goes. So she's definitely got
Speaker 2: some mad parental preference happenings.
Speaker 4: Like you need to make an appointment to come and
Speaker 4: see me.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you so much for joining the show.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the help.
Speaker 5: I need all of it, the mob anytime.
Speaker 4: So my fiancee, Ben lives overseas. He lives in Italy,
Speaker 4: and I am going to see him next week. I
Speaker 4: am ecstatic. I'm seen him since Christmas, so I am
Speaker 4: I'm beside myself with excitement. And if you've been following
Speaker 4: along for a while, you'll know that, like one to
Speaker 4: two weeks out, I start to do what we call peacocking.
Speaker 4: A peacock myself, I preen myself. I get myself ready
Speaker 4: to see my partner because I quite let myself go
Speaker 4: for a couple of months in between this.
Speaker 3: I've seen the peacocking in action.
Speaker 2: Usually it goes well, you kind of like let yourself
Speaker 2: go for two months and then it's like a good
Speaker 2: three weeks of just like hey, eyebrows wax lis up.
Speaker 4: Every go like who is she? Who is she?
Speaker 2: Although that hasn't happened at all because you've just been
Speaker 2: training you absolute assolef for dancing with the stars, so
Speaker 2: like you're fine, you don't need peacock.
Speaker 4: Well, this peacock has pea flopped. That's what I will say.
Speaker 4: The peacock is pea flopped. So the last two weeks
Speaker 4: I tried to start getting myself back on track, and
Speaker 4: I'm also pre pre cocking, like it's a double peacock
Speaker 4: because my wedding is coming up, so I'm like putting
Speaker 4: even more peacocking in. I have had a couple of
Speaker 4: fails one after the other. So I was getting a
Speaker 4: face laser the other day, which if you don't know
Speaker 4: what that is, it's just like a regeneration thing. There's
Speaker 4: multiple lasers you can get rid of. It helps with
Speaker 4: fine lines and collagen. And this is not an AD,
Speaker 4: but it's like if you wanted to get rid of pigmentation.
Speaker 4: There's so many different things. So I get it just
Speaker 4: like a resurfacing I've planned it a few months out
Speaker 4: from my wedding, and I've had it before. But when
Speaker 4: I was getting it now, she blames me. She slipped
Speaker 4: with the laser. I say she slipped. She said, I
Speaker 4: was a wriggly worm.
Speaker 3: No one's wiggling around when they're getting laser. They're just
Speaker 3: not well because I.
Speaker 4: Have my eyes closed because you have to wear something
Speaker 4: over your eyes. You can't see. You're going in there blinds.
Speaker 3: You just lay there. It's lay still. You're not moving
Speaker 3: around well.
Speaker 4: She said that I was a wriggly little worm. She
Speaker 4: goes like that and my eyes are closed, and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh what She's like, You're a rigglar little worm,
Speaker 4: an't you? And I was like, sorry, what you like?
Speaker 3: I was asleep, I was dead steal.
Speaker 4: And then I could smell something, you know, the smell
Speaker 4: of like burning hair.
Speaker 3: I don't you.
Speaker 2: Don't need to describe me because I can see what happened.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm across what happened.
Speaker 4: She lased my scalp, layser my hairline. I feel like
Speaker 4: it's like a twenty cent piece. So like if you
Speaker 4: follow my hairline, it goes in and it's lasered. Off.
Speaker 4: It doesn't singe, it bald, like that part is gone,
Speaker 4: the hair is gone.
Speaker 2: I think she just had the laser pointing. Do you
Speaker 2: know how you move it around it's directional.
Speaker 3: I think she was just.
Speaker 2: Pointing a little bit too far on that side. And
Speaker 2: then now there's a cute little.
Speaker 4: Ball spot there. Well, it's funny one person against the other.
Speaker 4: I said, I wasn't a worm. She said I was,
Speaker 4: so I can smell it. And she's like, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 4: like it's fine, Like it's not forever. It grows back.
Speaker 4: And I said, I understand, it grows back. I'm getting
Speaker 4: married very soon. She's like, yeah, it'll be growen by then.
Speaker 4: It's at the front of my hairline above my eye.
Speaker 4: And I said, all you're gonna see is like two
Speaker 4: centimeters because it's like you've shaved a You'll be rolling
Speaker 4: back from ball and.
Speaker 3: Then you have to just keep shaving that spot.
Speaker 4: No, now I'm gonna have to slip down a fringe.
Speaker 4: I just bought it's right here. I bought a clipin fringe.
Speaker 2: I have a friend that is extreme, Brittany.
Speaker 3: It is a tiny little patch. You don't need a
Speaker 3: clip in fringe.
Speaker 4: It's too late. I already got it.
Speaker 2: It's the most dramatic thing I've ever heard. Hang on,
Speaker 2: clip the fringe in show us what it looks like.
Speaker 2: Did you did most people even know this that you
Speaker 2: can buy a fringe that completely just clips onto your hair.
Speaker 4: Goot too, you hear unapacket and basically you I'll take
Speaker 4: them to my hairdresser tomorrow. They'll dye of them color match,
Speaker 4: and keep your eye on this space or this face
Speaker 4: because I'm going to put it in. So then a
Speaker 4: week later I'm getting skin needling. Now I've realized there
Speaker 4: is a theme here, Yes there is. I'm really prepping
Speaker 4: myself and I have had skin needling, which is like
Speaker 4: micro needles on my skin. I've had that so many times.
Speaker 4: It's fine like that afternoon, your face is completely normal.
Speaker 4: It's like acupuncture. A little bit red, though not even
Speaker 4: in the afternoon. Two hours it's done.
Speaker 2: I think it depends on how deep the needles are.
Speaker 2: Some people get it done and it's red raw, and
Speaker 2: some people get it done and it's just a.
Speaker 3: Little bit red.
Speaker 4: I have had the biggest allergic reaction to the face kneedling.
Speaker 4: My whole face went up in like red lumpy, angry
Speaker 4: welts and it's been like that for four days.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think it's because you might have introduced them
Speaker 2: back TOI into it. So either my friend, either the
Speaker 2: needles weren't clean or your face wasn't prepped properly. But
Speaker 2: I know, I know you've been on steroids and antibiotics
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 3: Your face looks fine.
Speaker 4: You need to tell everyone what else on the steroids for.
Speaker 4: I'm not getting jacked for my fiance band like, I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to be up.
Speaker 3: She's also trying to shretch it. She's on creatine too.
Speaker 3: What else are you doing for it?
Speaker 4: Are you everyone crazy? And it sounds like I'm in
Speaker 4: a bodybuilding con You're okay? No, I don't know what
Speaker 4: the lesson is here, but I've just had like one
Speaker 4: fail after the other, and I'm going to see Ben
Speaker 4: in just a couple of days.
Speaker 2: I think the lesson is just embrace yourself, embrace your
Speaker 2: natural beauty. If we can share anything on this show,
Speaker 2: it's love yourself for who you are.
Speaker 4: And maybe I need to stop fighting the aging. Do
Speaker 4: you think? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean you can just join me. I've given up.
Speaker 4: Well, once I get married in a couple of months,
Speaker 4: I will let myself go. That's that's me done. But
Speaker 4: until I get to walk down that aisle and know
Speaker 4: that I've locked him down, I've just got to keep
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 2: It is time for little Wins of the week thanks
Speaker 2: to Chemists Warehouse, where you could win yourself five hundred
Speaker 2: dollars to spend at chemist Warehouse. Now we are looking
Speaker 2: for the small things that often go unnoticed in life,
Speaker 2: those little wins, not the big celebrations, but the little ones.
Speaker 2: And that's what we are bringing attention to. Now we
Speaker 2: have Ash on the phone. Ash, what's your little winn
Speaker 2: of the week? Hi?
Speaker 6: My little win is I have started reading.
Speaker 3: Again instead of reading it? What have you read?
Speaker 1: Funnily enough? I have We Love Love in my hands
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 3: Is this a boy?
Speaker 4: Is this you're trying to bribe us?
Speaker 6: No, it's literally in my hand right now.
Speaker 1: I actually go at a Vinnie store.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm glad it's making a secondround for anybody
Speaker 2: who doesn't know. We Love Love is the book that
Speaker 2: Britt and I wrote to two or three years ago.
Speaker 3: What chapter you want?
Speaker 4: What am I on right now?
Speaker 2: Hold on?
Speaker 5: Look?
Speaker 3: Just started it?
Speaker 5: I don't know I have it on my sticky note.
Speaker 6: Hold on, we're on gas lighting right now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, so everyone could talk about all right, actually,
Speaker 2: wait there, we've got a couple of people on the
Speaker 2: line live.
Speaker 3: What was your little win of the week.
Speaker 6: Oh well, my little win is I smashed out cleaning
Speaker 6: the girls. I've got two little girls at home their
Speaker 6: wardrobes over the weekend. It was a massive job. I've
Speaker 6: had stuff in the cupboards sitting there for like two years.
Speaker 6: So I've tidied up all the wardrobes and I've gifted
Speaker 6: it to some friends that are expecting and drop the
Speaker 6: rest to the op shops for someone else to enjoy
Speaker 6: and have good memories. And we've had lots of good
Speaker 6: memories in some of those clothes lived.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I think is the most impressive
Speaker 3: part of that.
Speaker 2: It's I like to clean things out, but then I
Speaker 2: always leave the bags that go to the salvos in
Speaker 2: my car for about six months. I've got bags in
Speaker 2: my boot that have been in there for almost a year.
Speaker 4: So mind don't make it there. Mine go under the bed.
Speaker 4: And then I turned from heaved to the car. But
Speaker 4: I did clean out recently.
Speaker 6: I was on a war path. I was like, no,
Speaker 6: I'm cleaning it and they've got to go. So I
Speaker 6: donated the bags and their out. So that's a good feeling.
Speaker 4: Live.
Speaker 3: That's very impressive. Just hold the line.
Speaker 2: We've got someone else on the phone as well, Lenna.
Speaker 2: What's your little end of the week.
Speaker 1: Well, I had one of those, like ultra ultra annoying
Speaker 1: the pimples, and it was very very close to anxiously
Speaker 1: just picking it and making it a giant like moon crater,
Speaker 1: and I actually held off for the first time ever.
Speaker 2: So okay, well, I mean self control, well done. I
Speaker 2: don't have that self control. I even picked my husband's ill.
Speaker 1: Doesn't let me.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and Matt is a big wars he cries
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: I don't like it because I don't like picking someone's
Speaker 4: pimple and then like their puss comes out on your fingers.
Speaker 4: It's gross.
Speaker 3: My husband.
Speaker 4: Does that make puss better?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: But it's like I deal with his grossness every day.
Speaker 2: A bit of a pimple puss is not going to
Speaker 2: hurt me.
Speaker 4: What are the gross Fluidi? What do you talk about?
Speaker 3: Do you want to know?
Speaker 4: I am a't concerned about what else.
Speaker 3: You do with it is a good day. Alright, Look
Speaker 3: who are going to give it to?
Speaker 2: We've got with a ash, which was very convincing. I mean,
Speaker 2: it feels like it's a bit self indulgent, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Sorry to where we're indulging us. We love Love still
Speaker 2: available in probably all good vinies around the country is oh,
Speaker 2: we have live and we have Lana lived it a
Speaker 2: cleaner Lana.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, maybe you're.
Speaker 4: Gonna have to give to the book. All right, we've
Speaker 4: got ash there.
Speaker 2: Ash, you've just worn yourself a five hundred dollars cameras
Speaker 2: warehouse voucher.
Speaker 1: Oh yay, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: You know what they say, flattery will get you everywhere.
Speaker 4: And how much was the book at finished?
Speaker 2: Two bus I read, I rebe It was like two
Speaker 2: dollars or a dollar fifty or something?
Speaker 4: Is okay, we don't care as much. When you're finished,
Speaker 4: you give it back to a vinie so somebody else
Speaker 4: can benefit from our wives.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, it was five dollars, sorry more, that's.
Speaker 2: More expensive than it was at Kmar when it first
Speaker 2: came out.
Speaker 4: That's a lie.
Speaker 2: Ash, Just wait until you get to the chapter on kings.
Speaker 2: You can have a great time great, alright, thanks so much,
Speaker 2: as you're so welcome