WEBVTT - Coming out Rebel style 🌈 and Toxic Masculinity 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.280 Life Uncut podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:09.080 Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.920 pay our respect to their elders past and present and 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.360 extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:16.120 peoples today. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.560 This episode is recorded on Gaddigal Land of the Aurora Nation. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.440 Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.400 I'm Laura and I'm Brittany. And Brittany, well, we have 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.120 a very very interesting episode for you guys today. There 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.320 is something I wanted to ask you first, britt I 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.400 don't know. I'm giggling like a nervous school. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.840 Girl because you always bring me with these like I've 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:58.880 got something I want to know and I'm always like, 0:00:58.880 --> 0:00:59.920 I don't know where to go with it. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:01.960 Well, it's because it's got to do with dating. So 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:03.040 I want your opinion. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:04.920 Is it what not to do? Because I can tell 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:05.399 you that. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:06.880 You're like, I've got ten years of experience of what 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.280 not to do with dating? Always too fucking soon, don't 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.120 ask me how to do it. No, I was having 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.960 this conversation on the weekend, who needed some dating advice, 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.080 and I gave my dating advice, to which she told 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:18.360 me it was fucking wrong. 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:19.240 So that's why. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.920 So she asked you for the advice. You gave your 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.480 best response. Then she was like thank you. 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.759 Now she looked at me like you have clearly been 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.240 out of the dating game for so long that you 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:30.000 can you phone a friend? 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.360 Can your phone break? Your advice is irrelevant? What was it? 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.800 She's been dating someone for about four weeks, right, casually 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.800 dating but really likes them. 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:40.679 How many times a week? 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.080 What's the average? I think like two? Well it started 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:44.520 off like one or two. Now it's gone up to 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.280 about three times a week that they're seeing each other. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.600 Okay, maybe eleven times. I'm just trying. I'm just trying 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:49.440 to get a hit around my head. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.000 Around eleven times they've had sex, Like things are progressing, 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.000 she really likes him, but there has been no conversation 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.520 about what they are. And she said, like, what is 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.279 the appropriate time frame? Like how many weeks go past 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.640 before you should bring up like what are we? 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:03.800 Are? 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.440 We exclusive? Where is this heading? 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.240 And I was like, now one month, Like you are 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.680 so deep in that that if you're feeling it already, 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.080 you might as well, have the conversation, and she looked 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.119 at me like I had been drinking the kool aid. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.239 I think this is very subjective because I'm going to 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.240 say something and I can't believe I'm gonna say this. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:25.560 You gave me different advice recently, so I was I've 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:26.360 dated one person. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.079 Yeah, that was because I didn't think you should date him. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.919 That was why the advice was, don't make it exclusive. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:33.760 It had nothing to do with time frame. It more 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:35.359 had to do with situation I had. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.160 Yeah, let me say I had dated someone, only one person, 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.000 you know, since my breakup, and we were only probably 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.200 four weeks into very casually dating and he got the 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:44.960 feels great. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.320 Laura was like, no, it's only been a month. It's 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:48.799 too soon. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.000 I'm not feeling this. It's like it's all hectic. You 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:52.480 got to play like not you got to play a 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.280 cool but it's like too much, too soon. But if 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.800 you loved him or the situation, you would have been 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.080 exactly that. You would have said, yeah, a month's great, 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.160 go for it, get into it. But it's because you 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.000 didn't like us. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.720 No, okay, yes, on one hand, you have a point, 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.480 but on the other hand, my thing is not so 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.520 much about like making it exclusive. You don't have to 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.640 at the one month mark be like, hey, are you 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.240 my boyfriend? Are we going to be boyfriend and girlfriend? 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.919 More so just around like what is this? What do 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.560 you want out of this? And having like an if 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.160 you haven't had that conversation by the month mark, what 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.120 are you afraid of? Are you afraid that they're going 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.320 to say I don't want anything. This is just super 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.400 casual and it's not going anywhere, in which case you 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.160 then would have to make the decision as to whether 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.119 you want to keep seeing them or not. I think 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.520 by the one month mark of like hanging out, going 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.640 on a few dates, getting to know a person, if 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.120 you want something that's exclusive, if you want it to 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.520 go in that direction, then that's probably about the time 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.000 that you have to like put on your big girl 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.560 panties and say where do you think this is heading? 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:53.800 Because I would like this to be a little bit 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:54.880 less ambiguous. 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.200 Yes, but I think it's I don't think there's a timeframe, Okay, 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.160 and I really really don't And I know if this 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.560 isn't the advice anyone needs, But when I was with Jordan, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.600 we said we loved each other after a month, like 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.320 we were just obsessed. I have dated other people for 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.720 six months. They've said to me, what are we And 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.680 I'm like, well, it depends on the person, the vibe 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:13.480 and what you guys want. 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:14.680 Are you both in the same place? 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.400 The only way she can know is surely, And in 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.799 most of the situations there is a bit of a vibe, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.240 Like you know, you get a reading from the other 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:26.880 person and what they're looking for. Are they still going 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.320 out and haven't mentioned anything? Are they still on dating apps? 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.039 You are one hundred percent entitled to ask what we 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.000 are and if you want to, I encourage you to. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:40.640 You just have to be prepared for whatever the answer is, totally. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.240 And I think that that's the good thing though, right Like, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.320 even if it's an answer that you don't want, at 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.520 least then you know what you're in for and you 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.120 can make a decision. My reason for this is because like, 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.200 you could spend a year seeing someone thinking that you're 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.599 heading in the right direction and then them being turning 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.960 around saying, no, we're just keeping it casual and keeping 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.599 my options open until something better comes along. You could 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.839 go so far down a situationship that you're entrenched in 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.760 the situationship and then you only have yourself to blame 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:08.440 because you didn't have the chat at four weeks. But 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.279 I think it's also imperative that you do it in 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.200 the right way. There's a big difference with being like, Yo, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.320 let's lock this shit down. I want to marry you 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.280 for four kids, white picket fens, two dogs, four to 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:20.280 Colie sheep dogs. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:21.760 Like there is a way. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.039 You can do it, be my boyfriend, yeah, or you 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.520 can just say hey, can I just ask are you 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:29.520 so we're on the same page? 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.040 Are you still seeing other people? Do you want to 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:31.679 see other people? 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.520 I think it's just has to be in a really 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.040 casual cloak your way, because it'll start the conbo. He's 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.039 going to ask you back, then you're gonna say, well, 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.400 to be honest, I haven't seen anyone. I don't really 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.039 want to. I'm pretty invested to see where this goes form. 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.400 That was a good one, said, to see where this 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.279 goes is played cool girl vibes. 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:53.200 No, just don't play psycho vibes. I'm not very cool, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:54.480 but I know how to knob his. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.760 I mean I did till Matt after a month of dating, 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.000 whilst he was dating multiple other women that I loved him, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:01.400 even wanted to be with him for the rest of 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:01.799 my life. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.600 So you know, sometimes it works out that way as well. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.800 I mean, that's a whole different httle of fish. That's 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.039 a different world. But okay, good luck everyone that's in 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.599 that situation. I do not envie you. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.320 We have some pretty big things we want to talk 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.800 about in today's episode. Now, I kind of we didn't 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.000 really know where to start with this, but I guess 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:18.480 the first thing. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.120 Let's start with the first thing. It's always a good 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:21.760 place to start. It's good to start at the beginning. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.560 We want to talk about Rebel Wilson, Rebel Wilson being 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.839 Britney's very good friend, but also the fact that she 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.440 made huge headlines over the weekend when she came out 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:30.720 with her new relationship. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:32.240 So we're going to unpack that. 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.640 We're also going to unpack some very interesting articles that 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.000 came off the back of it, and we have. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:37.880 A lot of feelings about this. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.440 But then we're also going to get into today's big topic, 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.520 which is around toxic masculinity. And we got the opportunity 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.800 to interview Will McMahon, who some of you guys might 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.880 know from Will and Woody. Last week Britain, I sat 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.760 down with Will and we had a very vulnerable conversation 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:52.760 where everybody cried. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.720 You may hell may not have seen it. That's okay 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:55.200 if you didn't. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.120 If you didn't see it, you could all jump on 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.640 Instagram because both of us crying is on Instagram at 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.080 the moment. It's a conversation around vulnerability. But more importantly, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.960 we talked with Will around toxic masculinity and his experience 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.800 with depression. That is something that we're going to get into. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.800 First break, Let's talk about Rebel Wilson. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.360 Yes, And I want to make it very clear here 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.520 before we jump into this. Some of you may know, 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.679 those of you that in you and don't know. Rebel 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.040 is a really good friend of mine. We've been friends for. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:22.640 A while now. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.680 I love her, respect her. She's an incredible woman, and 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.800 I don't want this to be a chat about Rebel. 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.720 I want this to be a chat about what has 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.120 happened off the back of Rebel's relationship announcement. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:36.840 Really want to drive that home. 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.480 I feel like we'd be having this conversation regardless a 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.440 few days ago on Friday, which whenever you're listening to 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:46.160 this that was the tenth of June, Rebel came out 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.920 and announced a beautiful new relationship. She's very happy, She's 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.000 in love. She put a photo of her and her 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.280 new partner, Ramona I on Instagram and she said, I 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.160 thought I was searching for a Disney Prince. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.160 Maybe what I really needed all this time was a 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.160 Neat princess. Hashtag love is love. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.320 I actually get emotional thinking about it because I'm just like, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.480 we love love. I love love love, and of course, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.160 of course being good friends with Rebel, this is something 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:12.920 I've you know, I've got along the journey with her, 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:13.600 and I've known. 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.400 You crying, yeah, because I just think I just this. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.040 Made me really mad and upset, and I would have 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.400 these feelings for anyone in this situation because it just 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.000 must be really, really tough. And to see her post 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.840 something just be like, you know what here I am. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.640 I'm so happy I'm in a stable, healthy, loving relationship 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.160 makes me feel warm in ise. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.559 And I guess the thing is is that you personally 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.960 have known, yes, that Rebel was in this relationship for 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.560 a lot longer than just since Friday last week. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.280 Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, like I said, I was 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.160 there when they're not there physically, she's she's like, she's 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.800 filled me in on the details from the get go. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.199 So what has happened is and what has made us mad? 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.440 If nobody knows, we're going to explain what happened. She 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:58.040 came out on Friday and everyone was so happy for 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.440 her that when there was nothing negative written, then the 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.120 Sydney Morning Herald released. 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.760 An article that we want to talk to you about. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:08.920 And this is the main thing we want to talk about. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.840 Like we're very, very stoked for Rebel. We love love, 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.280 but this is the thing that really made us fucking mad. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.520 It was on the eleventh of the sixth, so Rebel 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.680 announced on the tenth. This article from the Cidney Morning 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.040 Herald came out in the eleventh. The heading is Rebel 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.439 starts spreading news of her relationship coming out Rebel style. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.400 Now, Laura tell. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.040 Us a little bit about why this is so problematic, 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:33.800 because I am so mad, Like I would be mad 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.480 reading this about anyone, but when it's a friend and 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.479 someone you know as well, there's a level of respect 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.040 and fierce protection for anyone in your life, family or friends. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.000 And I think when you see somebody be attacked on 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.000 a private level, let alone a public level. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.199 It just I'm just I'm so infuriated. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.280 So I want you to explain it a little bit 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:54.319 so I can just take a breeze. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:56.640 Okay. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.920 So the article that was written, it's from a journalist 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.440 named Andrew Hornery. It was published in the Sydney Morning Herald. 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.000 As Britt said on the eleventh, and now what this 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:09.240 article is essentially claiming is that the journalist Andrew knew 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.800 that Rebel Wilson was in a same sex relationship. They 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:16.280 actually contacted Rebel two days prior and had said, we 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.480 know that you are in a relationship with Ramona Agruma. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.440 We're giving you two days opportunity to give us a statement, 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.240 you know, reply to this with your own comments because 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.800 we're going to run a story. And what Rebel actually 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.000 did is instead of giving her comments to the Sydney 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.760 Morning Herald, who had reached out to her PR team, 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.960 Rebel ended up going public with her relationship herself on Instagram, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.079 as we saw with the beautiful post that she put up. Now, 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.560 this article that's been written by this journalist is all 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.840 around the fact that he has but hurt. Basically that 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.160 she took the opportunity she took the exclusive away from 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.120 The Sydney Morning Herald, that they had done the research, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.040 that they had that scoop, and that instead of them 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.480 being able to be the ones to release the news, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.400 she got in and did it first. This is one 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.720 of the quotes from the actual article. It was an 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.360 abundance of caution and respect that this media outlet emailed 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.840 Rebel Wilson's representatives on Thursday morning, giving her two days 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.480 to comment on her new relationship with a woman La 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:17.480 leisureware designer Ramona Agruma before publishing a single word. Mister 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.280 Hornery then argued that if he had outed the actress, 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.800 it shouldn't have been a big deal, as sexual orientation 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.280 is no longer something to be hidden even in Hollywood. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.680 The absolute irony of this article and also social media. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.760 Other news reporters are up in arms about this. But 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.959 the irony is is that Andrew Hornery is saying that, look, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.360 you being in a same sex relationship shouldn't be a 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.680 big deal, So why did you have to go ahead 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.200 and take that exclusive away from us? But we all 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.120 know that we don't live in a perfect world, and 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.679 in this world, for some reason, when somebody has identified 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.319 as heterosexual for such a long time and then they 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.880 come out as a same sex or in a same 0:11:55.920 --> 0:12:00.320 sex relationship. That creates so much engagement, that gets so 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.680 many clicks. That is a huge fucking headline for some reason, 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.000 but it is, and headlines and engagement are a currency. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.560 He is very aware that he had what. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.840 Was potentially one of the biggest scoops of his career 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.640 been taken off him, and this entire article is trying 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.360 to claw back and say, hey, we knew about this 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.319 first before she put out her own statement. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.520 Well, he described it as a big mistake of giving 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.840 Rebel the opportunity to comment for the two days that 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.120 he did. He said it was a big mistake, and 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.480 he said she chose. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.880 To gazump the story. Now gazump, Well, who even are you, Andrew? 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:36.000 For starters, I've. 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.559 XuMP the story and choosing to come out herself on 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.199 social media quote, her choice to ignore our discreet, genuine 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:49.160 and honest queries was in our view, underwhelming. Now, Andrew, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.320 I have a view myself, you, sir, are underwhelming. In 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:58.560 twenty twenty two, fancy getting mad at somebody for choosing 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:03.120 to tell their own story about their relationship on their 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:07.679 own social media and you have the audacity, sir, to 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.800 write an angry article saying, who do you think you 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.439 are to have told your own story? 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.600 Andrew Hornery, we are dedicating this episode to you. But also, 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.319 can I just mention the word gazumbed, which I think 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:20.960 we all had a giggle at when we first read it. 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:21.240 I do. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.760 I also think that that attributes to just how archaic 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.040 this journalist is, Like who uses the word gazumped in 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.199 the first place. There is such a warped perspective as 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.679 to who owns a story, and I think that's what 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.080 Rebel has been robbed of. She took the opportunity to 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:39.320 say she was essentially forced to come out with her 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.560 own sexuality, and we don't know where she sits in 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.560 terms of like, obviously she's in this loving relationship, but 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:47.760 was she at a point in her life where she 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.920 felt comfortable to talk about her sexuality? Was she at 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.320 a point where she felt comfortable to share that? And 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.800 she was essentially forced by a Sydney Morning Herald journalist 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.640 who had a real gotcha moment to come out and 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.160 share not only her relationship that she may not have 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.680 been ready to share, but also the fact that she 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.880 is in a same sex relationship, and that regardless of 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.040 whether we're in twenty twenty two, regardless of whether that 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:15.439 is well received, regardless of the general perception towards her relationship, 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.800 it must be very hard to get to your own, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.560 in your own personal identity, to make that decision that. 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.480 You're ready to share that with the world. And that's 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:24.440 exactly right, Laura. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.720 It's not even this isn't I mean for me and 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.760 hopefully for a lot of people, they see this as 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.240 this isn't even being forced to come out. But it's 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.520 also been forced us to talk about a relationship in general, 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:38.760 even if it was a heterosexual relationship, it's irrelevant. Somebody 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.280 stuck a knife in and twisted it and what do 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.160 you do with that information? It's taken away from you. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:47.360 And of course, if you have two options, one some 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.720 publication is going about you, or two you can take 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.640 control yourself and be, you know, the one that tells 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.800 the world your news. Of course you're going to. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:56.120 But that's exactly right. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.760 It was you've got forty eight hours, Oh we're going 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.440 to do this, regardless, and to then have them be 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.840 up in arms that you robbed them of that story 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.600 when they were robbing you of something, so they're robbing 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.840 you of privacy. Privacy respects a lot of things, So 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.600 it's unbelievable. I actually read the article multiple times because 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.080 I didn't believe it. I know, at the end of 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.960 the day, Rebel is secure and she is in a 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.000 loving relationship, and I know that she's very happy in 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.760 that relationship. But she did come out with her own 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.920 response in her own tweet, just saying, you know, it 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.160 has been really hard and she's just trying to handle 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.480 with as much grace as she can while literally the 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.720 whole world watches on. This is what it is, and 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.760 she is Can I say, I can commend her, but 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.320 she is handling it with such grace and such humility 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.040 to have been thrown into a situation that she might 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.320 not have been ready to do. Well. 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.240 We did a bit of deep diving as well, so 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.720 Andrew Hornery, who was the journalist at this publication. As 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.400 we mentioned now, he has written many entertainment news for 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.640 The Sidney Morning Herald, and as much as he had 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.520 written this, adding the same relationship should be a redundant concept. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.880 In twenty twenty two, love is love right. That is 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.760 how he started off the entire article about Rebel Wilson. Now, 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.280 in May fifteen of twenty twenty two, he wrote an 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.240 article which was titled the man who helped Thorpe take 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:15.960 his first steps out of the Closet. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:17.320 He also wrote an. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.880 Article in July nine of twenty twenty one which was 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.960 I couldn't go on living a double life? Why conservative 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.640 Michael Yabsley came out at sixty four. Now, this is 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.560 a journalist who is very, very aware of how a 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:34.840 heterosexual person in this celebrity limelight, who turns to being 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.760 in a same sex relationship or who identifies as being gay, 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.720 how that creates clicks. He has written multiple articles on this, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.440 so as much but he says in twenty twenty two 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.080 exactly about that as much as he says it shouldn't 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.600 be about it in twenty twenty two. He is acutely 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.800 aware of how important this is as prime real estate 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.480 entertainment news. And I think that is why people are 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.360 so fucking pissed off because it was dressed up as oh, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.400 why did you have to take this exclusive from us? 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:02.680 If it shouldn't matter that much. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.040 But at the end of the day, regardless of who 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.159 someone is dating, their personal life should be able to 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.520 be shared in whatever way they feel because it is 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.520 their personal life, celebrity or not. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.640 The entitlement from this man and this article is astounding, 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.520 and I think I think we've covered it all. I 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.080 think we the world now knows our opinion. LAWA, I 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:22.640 think I know where we stand on this. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.080 But also social media in general, like there are so 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.640 many I mean, if you have a Google of this now, 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.360 there are so many people who are up in arms 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.280 about it. There are so many other journalists who have 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.439 commented on this, there are tweets about it, and I 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.760 think it's incredible to see that we are at a 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.440 point in society where love truly is love. Rebel Wilson's 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.399 relationship has been embraced with such positivity and real compassion 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.200 from the general population. However, it's really disappointing to see 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.520 just the way that the media perpetuates stories and continues 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.879