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Speaker 1: an incredibly busy weekend for our firefighters and joining me

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Speaker 1: in the studio is our chief fire Officer, Mark Spain.

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Speaker 1: Let me make sure I've got the right microphone on

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Speaker 1: for you. Good morning Spainy.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now we know it was an incredibly busy weekend off

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Speaker 1: the bat. Firstly, that fire at a warehouse in Berrima.

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Speaker 1: It was indeed the nt Health warehouse. What exactly happened.

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Speaker 3: As we acknowledged yesterday, was a fireband aid. We're on

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Speaker 3: industrial fire. We responded that. I responded twenty one firefighters

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Speaker 1: So twenty one firefighters needed. How long did it take

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Speaker 3: It didn't take too long to get to control. Our

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Speaker 2: That fire was still smaller for a couple of days.

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Speaker 3: I'm just working with Dipple at the moment to get

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Speaker 1: Okay, and is it pretty extensively damaged.

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Speaker 2: It's a right off.

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Speaker 1: Now, no one was inside that building, was there.

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Speaker 3: As I said that file, we're still producing some toxic

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, it sounds like it was a tough one

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Speaker 1: Now, Spainy, I know this. Earlier last week you and

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Speaker 1: Is that enough? I mean, do you have enough staff

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Speaker 1: At the time, we had messages coming through on Friday,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, haven't got a situation where some people

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Speaker 1: All right, well, Mark Spain, chief fire officer with the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Fire and Rescue Service. We always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: If I can just thank those firefighters that turned up

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time this morning. Mark Spain,

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