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Speaker 1: I'm truly grateful for them. The friendship that I gained

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Speaker 1: over the years is something I'll cherish for the rest

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Speaker 1: of my life, you know what I mean. But I

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Speaker 1: think I was too comfortable there, Like I've been there

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Age of fourteen is a long time.

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Speaker 1: In order to go, I need to step out of

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Speaker 1: my comfort zone. Yeah yeah, I'm off contract this year,

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Speaker 1: looking for your home.

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Speaker 2: And oh what are you telling us? Tell you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You no more?

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Speaker 2: What are you telling us? Lads and deaths? Take it

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Speaker 2: away here? Yeah yeah, welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 2: Bros and Come. I'll let you guys know who we

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Speaker 2: got on today. We've got a very special guest with

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Speaker 2: us today. Give it up for Gordon.

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Speaker 1: Che Yes, sir, yes, sir, Thanks you guys, thank us

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Speaker 1: for having me. I appreciate it. But hey, we got

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Speaker 1: some mad oxy shed cans. Take the take a pic.

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Speaker 1: Tell us. I'm gonna give this on the tray. Passion fruit,

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Speaker 1: passion fruit. Let's okay, this one crack?

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Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna test to today.

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Speaker 3: Bro Okay, let's go ready on yours cheers, lads, Chez

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out the the flavor. But this

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Speaker 2: lighter one's cracker. Just to give you guys insight on

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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, bro, I like you say, it's

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Speaker 2: like a obviously passion through just rid in the back

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Speaker 1: Man carbs like sugar. It's good for the.

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Speaker 2: Hey, that's what you want, But player, I am, how

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Speaker 2: can you complain? Now back to our main segment, Ladies

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Speaker 2: and gentlemen, we got Gordon Chan in the building. I

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Speaker 2: know you've got a middle name as well. Can you

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Speaker 2: just say your full name as.

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Speaker 1: Well, Gordon Terrell chan com tongue a bit of a

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that sounds like a w W. So

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Speaker 2: for those that don't know what everyone does know he's

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Speaker 2: a former Manly Eagles player. Yeah, NRL and just walk

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Speaker 2: us through. We'll get We'll go through first, like your

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Speaker 2: experience with the NRL, how was it when you first

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Speaker 2: got that core bro.

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Speaker 1: When I first jumped on the scene, like, it was

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Speaker 1: a blessing man, like, yeah, for my hard work and

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Speaker 1: for my family put so much time with me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then to finally play off against Bulldogs. Man, I

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Speaker 1: remember the day like it was yesterday. I had like

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Speaker 1: out and represent my family was a Yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: And I actually know I actually know Gordon and his

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Speaker 2: to playing rabbit Oz was it rabbit Os the Rabbito system? Yes, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So he first start off a bank signed Bulls, one

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Speaker 1: end of the day, glory, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Glory to god. Man, did you always know you were

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Speaker 1: Honestly, food was all our new a to be honest, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was okay in school, Like I went to Westwood Sports,

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Speaker 2: So well, how many times did we hear about this

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Speaker 1: But you already know where to take your kids, bro,

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Speaker 1: sa I was obviously, I was always footy in my life. Sales. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I know for a fact as well from from

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Speaker 1: Up or he tells me almost made en Errol, but

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Speaker 2: You know, the fans do this, do that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, man, he loves his footy and yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and walk us through with that, Like, uh,

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Speaker 2: I guess right now. We're living in a day and

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Speaker 2: stuff going on online. Uh, let's just let's just draw

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Speaker 2: a line in this in the sand, like your relationship

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Speaker 2: with God and how it started and how it's helped

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Speaker 2: you progress to where you are now. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I was born in the church. For those of

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Speaker 1: so people know this woman's But honestly, I think it's

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Speaker 1: it was founding Matthew Matthew seven. I was talking about

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Speaker 1: how he had a I don't know if you guys

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Speaker 1: know the story. Don't quote me. But he built his hand,

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Speaker 1: he built his house on sand, and long story short,

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Speaker 1: obviously his house did and he wasn't wasn't strong enough

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Speaker 2: Bro. I never thought about that parable, like in that

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Speaker 1: But a song the worse, that's the wise man beauties

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Speaker 2: You know what I want to Some island churches they

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Speaker 2: But I never actually thought about, like metaphorically what it meant.

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Speaker 2: then now as you're saying it, like having a strong

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Speaker 4: That so much sense, and it's still like it's still

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Speaker 4: like deep within the outside of your relationships as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: exactly right now, So that passage is strong bird.

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest. I love the parables, especially in the

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Speaker 2: in the New Testament, there's a lot of very nice parables.

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Speaker 2: There's there's that one where I don't even know if

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Speaker 2: this is a parable from the Bible from my dad,

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Speaker 2: you know what, They just make their own heart. He

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Speaker 2: for God. God's gonna save me. Anyway, the canoe kept going,

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Speaker 2: and then a big sailorship came past, and he's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm waiting waiting for God. God will save me. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: as the ship went past and the black drown drown,

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Speaker 5: He said, I seventy two boats, you two boats, mate.

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Speaker 5: And I think what I learned from that is like

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Speaker 5: it's in a life full of misery and sorrow that

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Speaker 2: You know, bless yes, just see what's writing, Praise God,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, things like you know, people say, oh, man had

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Speaker 1: a bad day, but I feel like God knows us

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Speaker 1: best day. You know what's what's rough for you? You know

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Speaker 1: when some something happens in life you start kickstones and

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Speaker 1: that maybe that was like a little road road roadbock

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Speaker 2: Yeah, overcome, overcome. And you speaking on that, did you

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Speaker 1: But that's a good question. I remember so throughout my

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Speaker 1: Man, At the time, I thought I was the man,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I probably think like us proably needing kids will

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Speaker 1: probably easy easily influenced. I know it's bad to say,

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Speaker 1: I've battered with is with that. And in NROL, I

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Speaker 1: thought I was the man. So my debut season twenty

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Speaker 1: I got the followup for that, so I was on

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Speaker 1: a high man. And not only that, I just proposed

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I just had what are you Yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: had my first one. Well, bro, I thought I was

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Speaker 1: the heels. Man, I thought everything, how good?

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Speaker 2: This?

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Speaker 1: How good's life? Did you ever think you were going

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Speaker 1: to represent some more na but me just representing manly seagulls. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: You.

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Speaker 4: Is there any other races that that we don't know.

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Speaker 2: I realized that as well. Bro, there's there's a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well he said, yes. Man, I'm not too sure

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Speaker 2: sure you sign someone so there's no excuses when we

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Speaker 1: Bad every time if we beat you, guys, you guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,919
Speaker 1: I like that, but man, be good to have like

438
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 1: finding the Pacific there's full strength. Man, make the teams even.

439
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: And I think that it's better for like Pacific rugby

440
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: in general, bro having a lot of the NRL players

441
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 2: come and play for their teams, because it makes it

442
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: bigger for us as Pacific Nations. For if some More

443
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 2: gets a full stack team, it will ricochet to Tom.

444
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 2: And I really think Tom and some more is on

445
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 2: the level of Origin. Bro. I'll be honest with you, man,

446
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: but it's explosive.

447
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 4: But like just just the way the fans, the audience

448
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 4: grew just from the Pacific Games. But if you look

449
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 4: at it statistically and they reckon like, it's just as

450
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 4: big as Origin.

451
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: Now, man, it's massive.

452
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: Speaking about this all this rugby. Okay, we've got in

453
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: the fact that you've you've come up through the rabbit

454
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 2: O's ranks, you've gone and played for Manly. Yeah, I've

455
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: heard that you've left Manly now, Like, I don't want

456
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: to dig too deep into the pocket, but what happened?

457
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 1: Say, Like, obviously I've been a Manly since the age

458
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: of fourteen, and just this year I'm off contract looking

459
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: for a new home. Honestly, I can't thank the boys

460
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: and Enough and Manly, the coaches. Yeah, I've learned a lot,

461
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: a lot from them. Yeah, I'm truly grateful for them.

462
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 1: The friendship that I gained over the years is something

463
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: I church for the rest of my life, you know

464
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I think I was too comfortable there,

465
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: Like I've been there for a long time. Age of

466
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: fourteen is a long time, oh, age of fourteen, So

467
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: I come from the development and then into first grade.

468
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: So that's the longest. Yeah, And I was like, to

469
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: be fair, I was be comfortable and like in order

470
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 1: to grow, I need to step out of my comfort zone.

471
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

472
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm off contract this year, looking for a

473
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: new home. And for those who name me on a

474
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: personal level and want to raise the banks, son.

475
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 2: Oh what are you telling us? Tell you?

476
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you no more?

477
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,479
Speaker 2: What are you telling us?

478
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 1: Well, let's just say I'm coming home.

479
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 2: Ah, It's like.

480
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: That's man, It's crazy how unfolds and works out.

481
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 2: Man, How was it?

482
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: How was it?

483
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: How was it like the news to the boys, because

484
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: I know you obviously have a close relationship with Molly

485
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: and a couple of boys at mainly, how was the

486
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: news for them when they found that you were you

487
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: were leaving?

488
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I remember when I The first person I told,

489
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: to be honest was Josh All yeah, I'm pretty close

490
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: to him. And then I told the rest of the boys.

491
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: There's him all of the boys that played for Manley

492
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 1: this season, saves man. He had a really good, like

493
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: close playing group.

494
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

495
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: That's the thing I missed about many is war type

496
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: man across the board. Everyone was there was no groups. Yeah,

497
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: everyone thinks were separated, but man, from one thirty war

498
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: pretty tight.

499
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: Man. I wanted to ask you as well, what was

500
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: your favorite moment like in the NRL. What was your

501
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: like one game or one moment in a game where

502
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: you just like you couldn't like forget about it was

503
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 2: your favorite thing.

504
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: Just in an ral Yeah, probably a game this year. Yeah, yeah,

505
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: there's the game this year where we played versus the Bulldogs. Man,

506
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: I know you've got we've got smashed. We lost, but man,

507
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: the atmosphere was crazy man that I think it was

508
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: a Alion stadium. Yeah, man, but but there's like I

509
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: think there was fifty thousand or forty thou one of

510
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: them my gst but a man, the amosphere was crazy, like.

511
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: Just the crowd and the crowd.

512
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: The Bulldogs fans really get behind it.

513
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: They have some bro.

514
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: It's crazy man, honestly. And when I was playing, I

515
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: was like, bro, this is crazy. Like you just feel

516
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: like you feel frightened, like yeah, I get a sense

517
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 1: of you don't belong here, like yeah that stuff. When

518
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: I ran out, like you get those goose bumps. Yeah,

519
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, bro, this is this is mad.

520
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 2: They have that effect that he's the bulldog.

521
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I'm like just

522
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: speaking rubbish Spike man, that they do have that effect

523
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: when you run out.

524
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's definitely true because Jamaica, my partner is

525
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: a die hard Bulldogs fane. Her dad always buys the

526
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: front row seats, you know where they always use exactly.

527
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: And when I sit there, man, the words that come

528
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 2: out from like women, like married women with their kids,

529
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: and then you'd be like you think, like, bro, your

530
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: kid is sitting next to you. Then the kid joins

531
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: in and they start swearing together. Wow, ruthless, man, But

532
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: they are ruthless, honestly.

533
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: I I respected that they get bind their team, they

534
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: get bind the area. I love it, man.

535
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: But that's passionate.

536
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: They're passionate.

537
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: Man.

538
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: But that was probably a pinch me movement this year.

539
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: Have you or any of your team players like ever

540
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: encountered like something from the stainium, like they will swear

541
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: to you or something.

542
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: I know what he's talking about. I don't even know.

543
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: I was just asking you a question. Let go on

544
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: and take it away, tell us, tell us why are

545
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: you angry?

546
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: So I think it was. It was New Zealand. For

547
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: those who don't name me, I'm I'm always happy, I'm

548
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: always But I think it was just a brain snap,

549
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: to be honest. Yeah, Like there was a fan who

550
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: was was going off his head, like he was saying

551
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: some stuff, and initially I just thought, I'm always thought,

552
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: like to back your brother up, you know what I mean.

553
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: You're from the area, like I always look after your teammates,

554
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: look after your brother for sure, after youngs, you know

555
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. But man, I just had a brain

556
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: snap and bro, I just I just clicked and I

557
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: don't know why.

558
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: What was he going with you?

559
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't even going off for me, so I got, yeah,

560
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: that's just me. I'm just I'm always for them, always

561
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: lud to my brothers, you know what I mean.

562
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: So he was going off at one of the boys.

563
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I think he was saying anything bad,

564
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: to be honest. Why he was had a phone one

565
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: of the boys got simping and he just double record recording.

566
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: And I just initially forore get up and just go

567
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: grab the phone and get up and just say hey, look.

568
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: But the way I did it was totally wrong. I

569
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: regret it. But yeah, but that's another time. I was

570
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: in my dark spot. Bro. When that happened, it was

571
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: all over the media. Honestly, I didn't want to know,

572
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: you know what. I've seen a lot of the like comments.

573
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: It was crazy, man. I was like, people were messaging

574
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: me as well, but like I was in a duck.

575
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: I was in a dark place, man, because for those

576
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm always happy.

577
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: That's what I was for me to do that, as

578
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: I heard of for you people commenting like, man, you

579
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: guys don't know that this guy's human. Bro. Yeah, and

580
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: he's the happiest he is he is. I agree with him.

581
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: He's the happiest person that I know. He's always smiling.

582
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: And everyone's human, man, Yeah, we're all human. But I

583
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 2: guess like for you guys, the light is always shining

584
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: on you, so people are going to see everything. You know.

585
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. Man. I was in a dark spot.

586
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: But I didn't want to go siland back on Saturday. Yeah,

587
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: Sunday's church, but I didn't want to go church next day.

588
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: I just hitting my show.

589
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: Man.

590
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't want to because obviously

591
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: because what people think of me. But then that's when

592
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: my missus dragging me out of bend and goes, mate,

593
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: you shouldn't care what people think about you. You're going

594
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: to We're going to church. And credit to her, she

595
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: got me up with the church and man.

596
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: Shout out to the missus.

597
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: May they hold it down age they do. There are

598
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: a lot of things behind the works.

599
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mentioned this before that like

600
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: a woman's a good woman's role is so crucial to

601
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: building like a strong man, because she while he's looking

602
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: after like everything the bills, everything, work and stuff, she's

603
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: looking after his spirit. And I think that in itself

604
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: is so important to have someone looking after your spirit.

605
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: Now, it's powerful.

606
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of times like that as well,

607
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: where like like I just feel down and out and

608
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: I just want to like just stay in bed all

609
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: day exactly. She'll come and like David Goggins on this,

610
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: get up, bro, what are you doing? Like why didn't

611
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: marry someone like that? And I'm like.

612
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: This guy, No, they're the best man. Honestly that she

613
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: she's the backbone creditor. She looks after my kids. I

614
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: go to I go to training, you know, come home,

615
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: everything's done. It's a blessing man. Honestly, yeah, that's wow.

616
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you reckon your relationship, play the big h you know,

617
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: part in like how far you've advanced as well in

618
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: your career one percent.

619
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: She's always if your partner, you always have hard conversations,

620
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, sometimes you need to

621
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: hear me.

622
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true, lad, Yeah, that's true.

623
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: Every time I wanted to go out, want to other boys,

624
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: still lets me go about you know, I want to

625
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: do something first, She's still let you go. Yeah, sometimes

626
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: you're going to sacrifice something.

627
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: What's the secret because.

628
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: Saying me and her me and we've been together in

629
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: figh school. Yeah, and she's honestly been rock solid for

630
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: me honestly. To be honest, I know a lot of

631
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: people say that, but man, I wouldn't be here today

632
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: if my partner. Full credit to.

633
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: Full credit credit to the missus, credit to the boys,

634
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: get that away, like credit to the missus, and you

635
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: know what that's more importantly, I feel like my missus

636
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: has kept me on my faith with God because a

637
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: lot of times I'll start to get full of myself

638
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: and I was thinking I did this, look what I did,

639
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: and then she's like like you didn't do that. God

640
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: put you where you are now. And I think that's

641
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: so important because I usually it's actually a very good topic.

642
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: I question a lot of I used to question a

643
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: lot of things in the Bible that I just thought, Oh,

644
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: there's like there's a bit of spots. They're like, why

645
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: doesn't this make sense? And we're talking about this on

646
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: an earlier podcast about Genesis. Have you read the Book

647
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: of Genesis.

648
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the creation of the world. Yeah, I remember.

649
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: It's crazy, crazy, crazy, man.

650
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: Do you ever have things like that where you look

651
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: where you hear certain parts of the Bible and then

652
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: you just you try and connect the darts and then

653
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: you're like it kind of second, gets yourself second, guess yourself. Look,

654
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I'll tell you's honestly, And this is

655
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: the first this is the first time I've even said this.

656
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: This was the hardest thing and it probably is still

657
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: the hardest thing for me to get over, is that

658
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: God's grace saves absolutely everyone. And this is like this

659
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: might sign sound bad, but I truly felt for a

660
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: long time like these rapists and pedophiles, like do they

661
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: really need to get saved? Do you know what I

662
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: mean like, and my dad would always just say yeah,

663
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: like can I be like bro, Like I would always

664
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: feel like like it was hard for me to get

665
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: past that that like like some evil people are still

666
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: allowed in the Kingdom of God. And there was this

667
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: show Jeffrey Dahmer.

668
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Seen that he was one of it was crazy man.

669
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: So apparently even after all the people he ate, killed,

670
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: raped or whatever he did the last couple of months

671
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: in prison, he gave his life to Jesus and supposedly

672
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: he's gone to heaven now. Like for me, I was

673
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: so like, it's hard, it's a hard pill of swallow,

674
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: but that's the same grace that's going to save us,

675
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So what do you reckon?

676
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: That's like a deep subject.

677
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: Is I reckon?

678
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: Like?

679
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Who are we to judge?

680
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 5: You know?

681
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: That's right.

682
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: I know it's hard, but at the end of the day,

683
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: you said it God's grace.

684
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

685
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: Even remember remember how Jesus got crucified and there were

686
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: the two criminals. One of the criminals end up going

687
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: to heaven with Jesus. Yeah, because he spoke to him

688
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: before he repents it in front of Jesus and he said, like,

689
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 4: take me with you.

690
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: I believe in you.

691
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: I have faith in you the last second, bro, all

692
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: he's like sins, We're just.

693
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: That's crazy, lad that you know that that particular part

694
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: of the Bible, it actually gave a whole new meaning

695
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: to almost everything everything because we've got the ten Commandments.

696
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: We've got like Jesus is saying, like he's giving us

697
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: parables and telling us how to live our lives and

698
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and then all the way at the end,

699
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: this guy just goes scot free. And I think that

700
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: that's the amazing thing about God's grace, you know what

701
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: I mean? Like man, like how good?

702
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: Man?

703
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: How good? Bro? How good? To live your whole life

704
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: like that? And like don't take that story to like,

705
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: don't use that story as yourself. You know, some of

706
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: you you just don't want to turn because you think

707
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: that when you get shot or something, you just pak

708
00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: to God.

709
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: Nah, doesn't work, Like that doesn't work like that, right, bro? No,

710
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: that's buzzing. How important is a few too?

711
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: Just like represent and the stronghold of your faith whilst

712
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 4: being an athlete.

713
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: You know, we see it all around the world.

714
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: You know, you'll see boxing, you know, people just praising God,

715
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: you know, and just like giving all the glory back

716
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 4: to him? Is there like a was there ever like

717
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 4: a weird feeling of you, like having that kind of

718
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 4: representaation while playing n role, like you didn't feel like, oh,

719
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: you know, like maybe people will just sort of judge me,

720
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 4: you know, because I'm doing this because you know, like

721
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: in Christ, like a lot of Christians in the Nerald,

722
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: there probably wouldn't be that many.

723
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

724
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: They like not not that they're not that they wouldn't

725
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: they would lose their faith, but they just wouldn't be

726
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: as vocal. Yah.

727
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: I think like we shot away from things. Yeah, yeah,

728
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: we're ashamed to believe in God. Shame the Christian. I

729
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: feel like social media now, the boys they share stories

730
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: of like quotes about God and Christ and I love it,

731
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: bro because then other boys see it another boys share

732
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: it like I reckon, from now it's time to come

733
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: up now, like we're not afraid to be Christian, not

734
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: a faith, not afraid to be with we're religionly from

735
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: not afraid to believe in God, And I feel like

736
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: it's real powerful. But man, I reckon every day is

737
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: my faith is tested, That's when I go back to,

738
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: like we said earlier in the podcast, having a strong foundation.

739
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: Make sure you make sure your foundation is straight, because

740
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: once you take one pillar out, that's it, bro, collapse,

741
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean cum Yeah that's amazing, bro. But

742
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: I love, I love. I've got a good friend friend

743
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: group as well, Like I reckon your circle or whoever

744
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: you surround yourself if play.

745
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, plays a big part, a big That's so true. Bro.

746
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: I've got like friends who I've got Muslim brothers, Catholic brothers,

747
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: Christian brothers, Woman brothers. But it's called like I least

748
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: we believe you have a faithora, we believe in a

749
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: higher dominion. Yeah, yeah, I just don't like but we

750
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: don't bring our faith into our friendship like yeah friendship, yeah,

751
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: I mean, like the love and peace is there.

752
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

753
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: I love about my little friend group.

754
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: It's mad. Yeah. No, I'm very much the same. I've

755
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: got a lot of friends that Muslim as well, and

756
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: obviously coming from Bankstown in these areas, they are Islamic

757
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: what do you call it? Dominated, There's a lot of

758
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: Muslims there. But man, some of the guys I've met

759
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: the most kindest people I've ever met, So respectful, and

760
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: I guess it just goes to like to each person,

761
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: like I know that, I know Muslims get a pretty

762
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: bad rap on the news because of you know, things

763
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: that have happened in the past. But for those of

764
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: us like you, I know you you grew up with

765
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: a lot of the boys from the area, so you

766
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: would already know how respectful their their you know their demeanors. Yeah, no,

767
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: it's it's it's so good.

768
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: I feel like both of the on the boys on

769
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: the Polynesian family. Sorry, that's the way Polynesian families and

770
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: the Lebanese families we get along really well because we're

771
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: really family orientated.

772
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: That's true.

773
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: Like man, I grew up in Banks and like I

774
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: remember during Ramadan, but they don't want me into their

775
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: house like their own. Yeah, some of the feeds at

776
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: the Mumble cook Man and then going to school sometimes

777
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: they're sometimes they'll pack my lunch. Yeah, that's how I

778
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: know about like Oregon. It's crazy, bro, we're very family orientated.

779
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like we get along with them

780
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: really well.

781
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what that that is actually very true.

782
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: A lot of my missus is half Lebanese, so they definitely.

783
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: I think the only thing that it kind of like

784
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: we clash his head. I remember the first time I

785
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: went to my missus, my missus Lebanese family. Everyone was

786
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: shouting at each other. But that's how they communicate. That's

787
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: a normal dialect. But Bri, like, I couldn't understand. So

788
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: I thought, everyone's punching on. I'm not doing this. It's

789
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: going on. But they're just talking and they're screaming at

790
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, and so like like if Jamaica's mum

791
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 2: would like or grandma would be talking to me, She'll

792
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: be sitting right here, but she's screaming, what are you shucking?

793
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: What are you screaming for? I can hear you. But

794
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: I think it's just their normal way of talking. You know,

795
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: they're very passionate talk is like when they talk that

796
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: came out wrong. They're very passon. Yeah, they're pasionate talker.

797
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: Is it just just don't take that in a bad way.

798
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: It comes from a good place.

799
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: It comes from a good place. You know. I just spoke.

800
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: I just made a TikTok recently about someone talking about

801
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: my accent. So like they were saying, like, why do

802
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: I talk like I wanna be Arab now now for

803
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: me just kind of because like I'm starting to see

804
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: these comments come up more and more. I don't think

805
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: people understand that the West, the West Sydney accent is

806
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: an actual thing. Now if you actually go over to

807
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: the Middle Eastern countries they have where they speak Arab

808
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: because their first language and English as their second. They

809
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: don't sound like me. That doesn't sound like this the

810
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: way I'm talking. They sound completely different. And I know

811
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: the boys will agree with me, but the way I

812
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: speak now is it's obviously your accent comes from where

813
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: you're from, right from where you grow up, mate. And

814
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: the West Sydney accent is a mix of like, yes,

815
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: Middle Eastern is there, but it's Greek, Italian, Asian, Cory Ossy,

816
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 2: it's all these different mixes. It's only one because that's

817
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: what West Sydney is. There's that famous comedian, you know,

818
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: that Vietnamese comedian and yeah, listen to the way this

819
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: guy speaks and bro and he grew up in banks

820
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: are next to Hume Highway. The reason why we speak

821
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: like this, it's like it's a mixture of anything. But

822
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: he's mad Lad, he's the best. I read his book

823
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: when I was in JV. And he actually had the

824
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: best book I've ever read. It's called The Happiest Refugee Alive. Lad.

825
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: I just watched this movie the other day.

826
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: Isn't the one where he's playing the park?

827
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's funny.

828
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: Man, it's the best you know, Laddy technic and he's

829
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: he's he's a top general too. I read his book

830
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: on what he came from in that and like, man,

831
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: his upbringing, speak about that. Let's talk a bit about

832
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 2: your upbringing. Oh man, let's dig deep. Let's dig because

833
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 2: you know what, Gordon, I came over your house once

834
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 2: and I told your brother John, Yeah, your house reminded

835
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 2: me exactly of my upbringing. I came inside. The first

836
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 2: thing I saw was noodles everywhere. There was noodle packets everywhere.

837
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: Noodles.

838
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

839
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: So I'm the eldest. I'm the eldest of nine. So

840
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: I've got five brothers, three sisters. Yes, it's crazy, that's exactly, like, yeah,

841
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: exactly what pray. It's so good coming from a big family,

842
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: but being the eldest, like I feel like there's a

843
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: lot of responsibilities, you know what I mean that I

844
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: had to learn. I had to learn at a young age. Man,

845
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to make noodles, had to

846
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: learn look after the kids, you know. But man, it's

847
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: it's been a blessing because it's obviously I'm a young

848
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: father now, yeah myself and I've transferred from being the

849
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: oldest brother to being a young father.

850
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: Yea.

851
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: So it's a blessing in the skies, to be honest,

852
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: and I'm be grateful for it. But where I'm bringing

853
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: in has always been like it's been full on and

854
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: everyone knows my house. There's always extra kids as will.

855
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: Bro.

856
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: It's on the it's on the highway. All the answers

857
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: to drop before their kids and men, it's the best.

858
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: I love it so so you guys moved there when

859
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: you when you first came here that that's been your

860
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 2: guy's house for all.

861
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: These nice So we grew up in you know banks,

862
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: don you know, and it was like we had like

863
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: three or four families living in there. Bro, it was crazy, man,

864
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know they came from someone just like yeah,

865
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: jumping jumping there was crazy. But I remember to this

866
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: day it just clicked to me when when our parents

867
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: are go, let's go for a walk. To the park

868
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: and the walk will be like six hours. What are

869
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: we doing with at the park? Yeah, it just clicked

870
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: because when the inspectors come, they're only supposed to be

871
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: one family living.

872
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: In there opec.

873
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: The families living here there and three of families will

874
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: go to the park. We'll be there for six hours.

875
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: Mate. If they're any day an island of families organized

876
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: on our calendar, we will forget everything except that they

877
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: of inspection, inspection, no work. We do not miss that.

878
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: But I was too young, I don't know now that

879
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: time we did those park runs. So we'll be there

880
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: and then we get the I don't know, a text

881
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: message it's all clear and we'll.

882
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: Go to Everyone goes the best. But we had like

883
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: three or.

884
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: Four families even in the ones and what a free

885
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: better man. But it's the best. I'm like, that's why

886
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm fam very family orientated. Like I treat my cousins

887
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: like my like my siblings. It's the best.

888
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: That's amazing that do you realize that that like a

889
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: lot of the island, the boys that we speak to,

890
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: they're like us. They grew up with like populated you know, households. Yeah,

891
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: do you think do you reckon. That kind of stems

892
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: into the reason why Islanders are so easy to influence

893
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: because we grew up around villagers like people like, we

894
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: just grew up not being on our own, Whereas if

895
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: we grew up like looking after our own, then we

896
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: won't be so easy to sway, you know what I mean.

897
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm talking my ass, but like,

898
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's I'm just trying to figure out

899
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: that reason, because I actually agree with you that Islanders,

900
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: amongst a lot of other races, are very easier to

901
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: be influenced, very serious.

902
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: You know, you're right, man, I don't know what it is,

903
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: to be honest.

904
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: I think just fair family orientation in general is just

905
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 4: a very powerful Stemino culture. Yeah, so that's why it's

906
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: so common for a lot of us to live in

907
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: a small, small hut.

908
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: But a lot of families.

909
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure the Arabs do that too, bro. Yeah,

910
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 4: they're pretty family orientated too.

911
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, we got that.

912
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: It's got that similar trait.

913
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: But it's beautiful.

914
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: But it's it's nothing bad, it's nothing nothing if anything,

915
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: it's it's.

916
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 2: Annoying at the time. Yeah, later on, when you move out,

917
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: you miss.

918
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: You miss it for one hundred the connection for all

919
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: their faces. It is the best.

920
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: I feel like you like you try, you try, rush

921
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: to move out of the house.

922
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: But once you do, lad man, you like man hit

923
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: a woman, you like you remember, like grateful for all

924
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: the things that's happened, You know what I mean? Yeah,

925
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: you probably know, like you're you're young, your father, yourself,

926
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: do you like you do the kids? You do things

927
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: like before making a decision, Yeah, what's best for your kids?

928
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: Is that right?

929
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So for for a lot a lot of

930
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: people were like when I because I had my first

931
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: kid when I was eighteen, and it changed me. It

932
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: changed me in so many ways. Yeah, it changed me

933
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: to the point where like I just I just became

934
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: very responsible of like like and sometimes it worked against

935
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: me because even in my life of crime, like i'd

936
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: like everything was like for a higher purpose more than me,

937
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: Like I needed to make money, I needed to do this,

938
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: I need to do that. And then like I kind

939
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: of just like I shut off the bigger picture. And

940
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: then now that I've like found my way back, it's

941
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: just like it's amazing to see that God actually let

942
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: me live through all this because I feel like I

943
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: was supposed to go a long time ago. Multiple times

944
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: I was supposed to go. But sometimes I feel like,

945
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: if God has a plan for you, he won't even

946
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: let you stuff it up, you know what I mean.

947
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: He'll keep you safe because until your banana brain wakes

948
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: up to yourself and then you start to see, oh,

949
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: so this is why I'm still here, because that's where

950
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: I'm at. Now I'm starting to figure out oh, because

951
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: for a long time, how are you now? Good? In

952
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: twenty three twenty three, when I was twenty three, I

953
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: remember stressing out because I'm thinking, bro, I'm a going

954
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: to see my mid twenties, Like what have I done?

955
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'm like, bro, like what

956
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: have I done?

957
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: Like that crazy brain?

958
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: And then at that time, that's when I was still

959
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: doing the music, the twenty one disheet music, and I

960
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: was still kind of like floating, like, oh, I had

961
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: a lot of money. I was doing a lot of

962
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: stupid things though, and I just didn't see any future.

963
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: I didn't see any future. I was living on the highs.

964
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: But then now that I'm like, I'm back in, you know,

965
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm back in my own self, and I can see

966
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: what God has in front of me. I'm starting to

967
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: see this is why God let me live through all

968
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: these situations. And you know, you know what's mad.

969
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 4: Like most boys don't really or most fathers don't really

970
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: talk about how having a kid is like an unspoken

971
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 4: motivational booster. Like man, no one really talks about it,

972
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 4: like and that's why most of them do make careers

973
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 4: and everything because it's it's like an instant turning point,

974
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: a turning switch in your brain. You just view your

975
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 4: whole life differently, you.

976
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 2: Know, does.

977
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: So would you say that that's probably what impact you

978
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: like the NRL way, Yeah, one hundred percent. There's like

979
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: a little switch to my head. Honestly, I want my

980
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: kids to have a better life, you know what I mean.

981
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: It's like everything I do now, like I've got to

982
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: have that that fought process of everything I do now

983
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: is for my kids. Yeah, I want them to have

984
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: a better life style. And I think like me being

985
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: on the footy path has like slowly given the opportunity,

986
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: like you know, I get funded, get funded from the NROL,

987
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: and then it can it can start to slowly give

988
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: them the future that they want. Like that's that's my

989
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: four process and everything I do now, like I gotta

990
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: I gotta be. I gotta do it for my kids,

991
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: my kids, my kids and my partner, my little my

992
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: little growing family. You know what I mean.

993
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: When you leave this world land, what would you want

994
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 2: your kids to remember you as as a father.

995
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: That's a good question question. I reckon remember me as

996
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: like no no stone unturned, fearless, happy, I was giving back.

997
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah cracker, Yeah, Mad, it's.

998
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: Been well what a man supposed to you know, be fearless,

999
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: also have the hard edge, but also be happy and

1000
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: the generous and have that love and the heart you

1001
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

1002
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the most important one as well.

1003
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, that gave me.

1004
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: That's crazy, but it's it's always I think it's it's

1005
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: an important conversation to have, like with all your mates

1006
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: that are still young fathers. You know. Now I've surrounded

1007
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: myself so all of my mates are like, I've only

1008
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: got a couple that don't have kids, but they're trying,

1009
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: they trying to have kids. But majority of my mates

1010
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,479
Speaker 2: now are fathers, and I think that plays a big part,

1011
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: you know, into like the just the energy source that

1012
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: you hang around and we always talk about this like

1013
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: if your kids were speaking at your funeral, what would

1014
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 2: what would you want them to say about you? Man?

1015
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Man, what a Christian. We just had Father's

1016
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: Day recently as well. Yeah yeah, but that's like me

1017
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: and my brother. So you know John, he's a young

1018
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: father himself, he has kids. That's how me and him

1019
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: like yeah yeah, coming close close when we were young,

1020
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: and then we've got to be older even to go

1021
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: teenager and you start to drift apart. But now that

1022
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: we have kids and we're both young fathers, we just like,

1023
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: well clear click. We talk about anything like if you

1024
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: need to help with the kids, or even if I

1025
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: need help as a father, like or you need to

1026
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: help being the father, like to each other, and we

1027
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: have hard conversations with men are supposed to have.

1028
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: You know what I'm supposed to.

1029
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: It's a blessing having my brother as a young father

1030
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: and myself.

1031
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: Man, what happened to him? Because he was playing with

1032
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: you as well? And uh, he was playing with you,

1033
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 2: but then he didn't end up pursuing.

1034
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell, so he's here. He went through the rabbit system.

1035
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: So he went with Hara Matts I think slowly went

1036
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: to issue war yeah, I went to Manley, I started

1037
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: rabbits and then went to manleyre in different.

1038
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: Paths because I watched one game when you were both

1039
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: playing and you were both killing it, bro, and then

1040
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: you know what happened after after the game, you went

1041
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: to your old man and Johnno came to me and

1042
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: we went and drank Like that was him. I don't like, yeah,

1043
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: that was him. He was.

1044
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: I think like back then there was a bit of

1045
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: the black sheepe. But yeah, do you know, yeah, he man,

1046
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: he's the best man. Like when he went through like

1047
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: a fighting path and started rolling around the boys, and

1048
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: but now he's his young father.

1049
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: Man.

1050
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: I could see the clicking him his eyes. Bro. Yeah,

1051
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: he works hard those things for his little family.

1052
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: You know what. I'm so glad that we're finally sitting

1053
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: down and speaking with you because for a long duration

1054
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: of my time knowing JOHNO for the past I don't know,

1055
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: six seven years, however long he's known Giselle, he's very

1056
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: much been like a brother that to me and my brothers.

1057
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: He's he came, he came everywhere with me and my brothers.

1058
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: John was like I just started introducing him as my

1059
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: brother to everyone. I just told everyone, Oh he's everyone.

1060
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: He's like, that's my younger brother. Yeah, but yeah, he's

1061
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: a solid bloke, good bloke, and I'm really happy that

1062
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: he's he's a father now, and I think it's waken

1063
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 2: him up as well.

1064
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: I think it's like a little switch in his head

1065
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: that's saying, all right, I've got to do I've got

1066
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: to be better. I've got to do better. And man,

1067
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: me and him are helping each other, and you can

1068
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: start seeing that. You've seen the growth and not only myself,

1069
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 1: buying him as.

1070
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: Well as well. If he's both running straight at each other,

1071
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: who wins?

1072
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 6: Tell us stop laughing that if I was running, he

1073
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 6: would probably pump me as better defender. Yeah, way around,

1074
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 6: say less. You know it's crazy as well. Let's what

1075
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 6: if my kids are the same age? Oh, that challenge

1076
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 6: might need to be pasted.

1077
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: One younger than me. We both have two year olds

1078
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: and our daughters are both the same as well. So yeah,

1079
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: it's a blessing.

1080
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: Man.

1081
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: We come from big families and was gonna another big family,

1082
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: another next generation.

1083
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 2: Do you see yourself having more kids?

1084
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 1: Definitely after the wedding. I've spoke to my partner and

1085
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: we want to get married first and then after that

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00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: ten yeah, bring back the tiger. Where do you see yourself, Like,

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00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: what's what's next for you? Obviously we heard the amazing

1088
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: news that you founded, You've found a new home potentially,

1089
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: but what's what's like, what's next, what's like on the

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00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: top of the clipboard now for you? That's a good question.

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00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: I really thought about that deeply, to be honest. Obviously,

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00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 1: I want to pursue my innerroal career, Like I feel

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00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: like I'm still a young pub I was trying to

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00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: break out of that stigma and really go after the

1095
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: next season. Yeah, by ten years time, I've seen myself

1096
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: having a big family, having a house, yeah, with my kids.

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00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: It's starting a business.

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00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah what business here?

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Speaker 1: I had to be stunning for the community. I always

1100
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: love giving back much humble now I'm telling you say,

1101
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: someone I look up to in the areas. His name

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Speaker 1: is Michael Flalo. I don't know if you heard of him.

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00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: Michael has a tongue, Michael his tongue. Shout out to

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00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: the brother, shout out to Michael man. He helps out

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00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: the community in Liverpool or anyway, to be honest, and

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00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: he helps with speed off season strength conditioning. Yeah, he

1107
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: helps the kids, helps the kids, moms helps the mums,

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00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: and mums helps the He really is genuine broke and

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00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: he's a man of God and he helps the community. Man,

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Speaker 1: and seeing him, seeing him do that, like it's got

1111
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: like a fight. There's a fine in my heart to

1112
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: pursue to follow that and to pursue something.

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Speaker 2: That well, shout out to the brother Michael.

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00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: Nah, He's like, that's I see myself. Yeah, really doing

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Speaker 1: something for the community.

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00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, we actually got so many questions on to

1117
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: ask you. Unfortunately all made in the back is getting

1118
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: annoyed of me. So he's just said, I wanted to

1119
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: ask your favorite movies and all this stuff. But I reckon,

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Speaker 2: we can definitely run a part two with with God

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Speaker 2: it for sure. But before we wrap this up, Uh,

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Speaker 2: being a twenty three year old, you've got such a

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00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: big life ahead of you. What is your advice to

1124
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: the next NRL star or generally in general, any other

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00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: islander growing up in the area.

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00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: That's a good question. So, okay, any any young Olmer

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00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 1: coming up growing up. I reckon, we see to stay grounded,

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Speaker 1: stay stay humble, man, have that strong foundation and you

1129
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: can do anything if you put God in the center

1130
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: of it, you know what I mean. So you can't

1131
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: fly by yourself. You've gotta have gold with you and

1132
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: you'll go a long way.

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00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: Yes, sir.

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Speaker 4: What's what's the three key things for these young gentlemen

1135
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 4: to become an neral style just like yourself?

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00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: Oh man?

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00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: Just three?

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00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: Three for Tom I reckon, have a good support system. Yeah, yeah,

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00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: that's one. Work hard and be consistent. And the third

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Speaker 1: one argus to be humble.

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00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: That's it, Yeah, humble, that's it.

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00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: Don't build your house on.

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Speaker 1: A sand lad I think we need to name this video.

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Speaker 2: Any any special shoutouts to want to give before shout outs?

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00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: Oh Man, give it Nasson shout out. I already spoken

1147
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: to about him, but Nasson shout out to Michael Fallalo.

1148
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: You're doing good in the community. Continue to shine your

1149
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: line to others through God, and love your ducks.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. What a beautiful segment, What a beautiful

1151
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Speaker 2: podcast we've had here with the brother We thank you

1152
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: guys all for tuning in and let us go down

1153
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: in the comments. What you guys want to hear next?

1154
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: Stay blessed, peakin he can you choose you want to

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Speaker 2: with a coop with a cool cos