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Speaker 1: Kiesi Epuric, the Independent Member for god A, Good morning

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to work out what a liberal Democrat

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Speaker 1: Very shortly we have got the Health Minister, Natasha Files here,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Keeping us on our toes. We'll be going around the

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Speaker 1: Every mix things up this morning. Matt Cunningham from Sky News,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you. And Jared Mainly, the Deputy Opposition

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Speaker 6: Morning, the best for last.

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Speaker 4: Look out me every week.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, it's been a very busy week.

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Speaker 2: What a big week it's been in politics?

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Speaker 1: Well, what a big week it's been for backflips, I

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Speaker 7: Always ask what changed in two weeks? What health advice

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Speaker 4: The toes have spoken about that, but it's it's really important.

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Speaker 5: And we also have had people with COVID that we

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Speaker 3: And I'm not doubting what the gentleman has to say,

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Speaker 6: Their decision to make, and I support them.

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Speaker 5: Will work with the organizers to understand their plans for

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Speaker 8: You need to be vaccinated to volunteer at an event

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Speaker 1: I might just ask you this one, how many patients

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Speaker 4: Katie, I don't have the figures in front of me.

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Speaker 5: We have provided these before, but it's important when you

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Speaker 4: The shows have talked through this before.

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Speaker 5: So, Katie, we spoke about this earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: morning the Senator Sam McMahon is set to join the

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Speaker 2: Matt, you broke this story yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Sky News understands that Senator McMahon's going to announce this

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Speaker 8: the party of Campbell Newman, the former allenp premier from Queensland.

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Speaker 8: And my understanding is that Campbell Newman will be in

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Speaker 8: the top end next week as well. So it's going

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Speaker 8: to be an interesting election. I think, Katie. When it

446
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Speaker 8: comes to some of these minor parties, and when it

447
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Speaker 8: comes to minor parties like the Liberal Democrats and Palmer United,

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Speaker 8: I think they're going to run a pretty hard campaign

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Speaker 8: on some of the issues we've been talking about, in

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Speaker 8: particular these vaccination issues and you know, whether we should

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Speaker 8: have vaccine mandates and the like. Now, does that mean

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Speaker 8: that they're going to have a realistic chance of winning

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Speaker 8: you know, a few seats here and there. I don't know,

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Speaker 8: but there's certainly I would say, you know, about sort

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Speaker 8: of five ish percent of the population who are pretty

456
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Speaker 8: strong in their opinions on this, and so yeah, it's

457
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Speaker 8: going to make for an interesting dynamic at the least.

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Speaker 2: What's it mean? So where do we know?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, like I know that her former or

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Speaker 1: her electoral officer is there a current electoral officer, Kylie Binani.

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Speaker 2: That's right, So she's going to be running as well.

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Speaker 6: So how like, how does it work independent or.

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Speaker 8: Well, she's she's joining the Lib Dems today as well

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Speaker 8: as understanding, so they're both obviously former CLP members.

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Speaker 3: That's what's That's what it's going to do. Yeah, why

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Speaker 3: the Senate folk goes? We know, roughly half the population

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Speaker 3: vote labor, our vote Conservatives roughly, and you'll never get

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Speaker 3: two people up from the same party because that will

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Speaker 3: mean one party has to get about sixty percent of

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Speaker 3: the primary vote, and.

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Speaker 8: That only happens in Goid so we all vote one way.

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Speaker 3: The right way.

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 3: To break the name, you should see the other blog.

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Speaker 3: He's in a full body but it's going to clearly

476
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Speaker 3: it's going to take away per votes from the CLPS candidate.

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Speaker 3: Whether the Senator McMahon as she's currently has enough publicity

478
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Speaker 3: profile in the big places like Tenant Creek, Alice Catherine

479
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Speaker 3: and Greater Dawa or darn Ruley, that's where we're in

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Speaker 3: lingiari no Senator, Sorry, sorry that I'm not sure. So

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Speaker 3: it depends how much money. If she's got a lot

482
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Speaker 3: of money and pumps a lot into a campaign and

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Speaker 3: gets that profile. I also think that just before you

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Speaker 3: jump in the because she has been clearly questioning Michael Gunner,

485
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Speaker 3: the Chief Minister, and the vaccination landated and that does

486
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Speaker 3: resonate with a lot of people. So if that's going

487
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Speaker 3: to be one of her key issues, then she could

488
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Speaker 3: well get a lot of votes. All she's got to

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Speaker 3: do is finish ahead of just der Price and she's.

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Speaker 2: Under finish ahead of just cinder Price. It'll be interesting

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Speaker 2: to say, yeah.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't have a high profile as much in the

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Speaker 3: top end, I think, as she is in the center

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Speaker 3: where Sam has a high profile. I think in the

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Speaker 3: top end. So I think it's an obviously clear Catherine

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Speaker 3: because it may not be obvious to people, but from

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Speaker 3: her time as a vet she is well well known.

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Speaker 3: Ye right in the Catherine regions and what do you

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Speaker 3: call it now, the Big Rivers region, So that is

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Speaker 3: obviously going to go in her favor. So it's like

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Speaker 3: you say, Matt, I'm going to check out the book

502
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Speaker 3: is to see what they say.

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Speaker 8: I think she'd be the underdog. I think that when

504
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Speaker 8: So when Sam McMahon first, I think toyed with this idea,

505
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Speaker 8: there was the prospect that the Country Liberal Party could

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Speaker 8: be deregistered at a federal level before the election. Now,

507
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Speaker 8: the part of the rules were changed last year. That

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Speaker 8: meant that you had needed fifteen hundred members to be

509
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Speaker 8: a party unless you had a member of Parliament. So

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Speaker 8: when Sam McMahon resigns, that meant that the colp's federal

511
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Speaker 8: party status was in question. Now the time is going

512
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Speaker 8: to run out for that to be for that to

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Speaker 8: take effect.

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Speaker 2: Before the sexual election.

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Speaker 8: If it had have taken effect, it would have meant

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Speaker 8: that just Enterprise and Teena McFarlane and Damian Ryan wouldn't

517
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Speaker 8: have been able to put Country Liberal Party on the

518
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Speaker 8: ballot paper. Now that could have been interesting if there

519
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Speaker 8: were Liberal Democrats running, because well, Kezier says, you know,

520
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Speaker 8: fifty percent to vote conservative and fifty per tend to

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Speaker 8: vote labor. That they're not as invested in all of

522
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Speaker 8: this as we are. They're not as interested, and they

523
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Speaker 8: just go in and they look for the word liberal

524
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Speaker 8: on the ballot paper because that's how they and their

525
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Speaker 8: family have always voted, and.

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Speaker 2: That's the box they ticked.

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Speaker 7: Remember the CLPS, you know, we're the Therapy Party. We've

528
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Speaker 7: been here, we're independent. But you know who are they?

529
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Speaker 7: The Liberal Democrats?

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Speaker 6: What are they stand for? You know that sort of

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Speaker 6: su they stand?

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Speaker 2: What does this mean?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that you've got a situation here where

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Speaker 1: you've got some disgruntled CELP members who are trying to

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Speaker 1: cause problems.

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Speaker 6: Well it's a matter for them what they do.

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Speaker 7: But the CELP we're strong, We've got some great candidates

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Speaker 7: and I think we're going to go well in the election.

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Speaker 8: You must be a bit worried that you've seen we've

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Speaker 8: seen in the last few weeks. We've seen Jed Hansen,

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Speaker 8: who was the vice president quit the party and he's

543
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Speaker 8: standing as an independent. Kyle Narni quit the party. She's

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Speaker 8: standing for the Liberal Democrats. Now we think Sam McMahon

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Speaker 8: as well. It's not a great situation sort of, you know,

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Speaker 8: six weeks out from a federal election.

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Speaker 1: Is it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, But the CELP has got to we're an independent

549
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Speaker 7: party where the Charity Party. We've got all your new

550
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Speaker 7: members coming in because all those press we've got, I've

551
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Speaker 7: had ten people who come and joined our break because

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Speaker 7: you don't.

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Speaker 5: Even have federal representation. You're relying on some rules to save.

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Speaker 6: You, Jared.

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Speaker 7: But ultimately we're going to have federal if you know,

556
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Speaker 7: if the Senate gets up, of course, and it's up

557
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Speaker 7: to the territories who decide, and it's going to be

558
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Speaker 7: their choice to and they can either stick with the

559
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Speaker 7: Charitory Party, or they can go with the Campbell Newman's

560
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Speaker 7: Party from someone into state we don't know much about,

561
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Speaker 7: or they can go to Labor. It's really a matter

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Speaker 7: if the territory and I wish them and all those

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Speaker 7: people the best.

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Speaker 4: It all seems a bit chaotic and dysfunctional.

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Speaker 6: Jeff Coins and.

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Speaker 1: Kenny Vales works here on Saturdays now, and it sounds

567
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Speaker 1: to resonate right now. Well, I tell you what, you

568
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Speaker 1: guys have had your own issues so Farzy, I think

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Speaker 1: that this is the thing. You have, these situations within

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Speaker 1: political parties, and to some degree, it's a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of naval gazing. You know, most people in the community

572
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Speaker 1: probably don't care a huge amount, but what they care

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Speaker 1: about is that they've got quality candidates who are running.

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Speaker 1: And and I do wonder is that the situation for

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Speaker 1: Solomon here where people are disgruntled because they actually don't

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Speaker 1: feel as though the candidate's up to that the COLP

577
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Speaker 1: has chosen is the best that they could have gone with.

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Speaker 7: We've got a solid process in relations into the to

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Speaker 7: pre selection and we've pre selected TEENA. I think it's

580
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Speaker 7: gonna and she's got my full support and she's going

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Speaker 7: to go hard. She's been outdoor knocking, she's been out

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Speaker 7: on the side of the road, She've been all sorts

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Speaker 7: of functions, and ultimately it shows that we've got a

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Speaker 7: good democratic society when you meet peoples working stand up,

585
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Speaker 7: because that's what we should We should have as many

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Speaker 7: people who can, who want to put their hand up

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Speaker 7: and go for it.

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Speaker 8: And reckons that the party was trying to get rid

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Speaker 8: of her as of last December, which I thought was interesting.

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Speaker 3: In the CLP and left for lots of reasons. But

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Speaker 3: it happens in every party, you know, it happens in

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Speaker 3: every club, it happens in every sort of recreation.

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Speaker 8: The politics in the g for your football club.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, that's exactly. So why should political parties be any different?

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Speaker 3: You know, you get personality clashes, you get you get

596
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Speaker 3: a clash over direction, you get a clash over policy,

597
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Speaker 3: and if people don't like it, well they leave. And

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Speaker 3: clearly that's what these two women have done. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm with Jojo. Good on them for having to go

600
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Speaker 3: because you know we always talk about or community wines

601
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Speaker 3: that it's not enough women in parliament, in politics, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: So good on them.

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Speaker 2: Have a go.

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Speaker 3: You know it's going to be interesting, like you said,

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Speaker 3: but this it definitely has changed the minor parties down

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Speaker 3: South Fiona Pattern with her reason party has made huge

607
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Speaker 3: inroads in. I think she's new South Wales come to split, sure,

608
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Speaker 3: but she's managed to get stuff through that parliament that

609
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Speaker 3: you wouldn't expect a small party person.

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Speaker 8: So there'll we have voices for candidate running Nightcliff for

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Speaker 8: the next territory election.

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Speaker 3: They've got whether there's a role for them in our

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Speaker 3: pilot system. Well no, but it seems to be.

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Speaker 7: Remember the next question is, no matter who you vote for,

615
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Speaker 7: if you're going to vote for one of those minor parties,

616
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Speaker 7: you have to start thinking about where you're number two

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Speaker 7: votes going to go.

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Speaker 6: Because if you can.

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Speaker 7: Just pour a donkey boy and draw a picture if

620
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Speaker 7: you want to, it's a matter for you. But ultimately

621
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Speaker 7: you've put one, two, three, four, how many arts you

622
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Speaker 7: really need to start thinking about who's your second third.

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Speaker 2: And where it's going to work for you. Guys with those.

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Speaker 6: Preferences about anybody.

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Speaker 8: This is the problem for the CLP when you when

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Speaker 8: you have these other former party members and then runners

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Speaker 8: you know for a minor party or a or as

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Speaker 8: independence and when their conservatives is that that vote doesn't

629
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Speaker 8: necessarily flow back to the CLP because people don't follow

630
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Speaker 8: you know. The next you get some of that leakage.

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Speaker 3: The next question is will the sealp'd be talking to

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Speaker 3: the Liberal Democrats about exchange of preferences.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to have to, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know how well those conversations can go.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see.

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Speaker 1: We still don't even know whenmo is going to call

637
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Speaker 1: this election. Surely it's going to be in the next

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Speaker 1: couple of days.

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Speaker 6: Mate, were today with today.

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Speaker 2: Was the texts to be all right.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a very short break and when we come

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Speaker 1: back we will let you know whether the election has

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Speaker 1: been called yet.

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Speaker 2: Surely we know by now.

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Speaker 1: We'll also be discussing plenty of other issues that have

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Speaker 1: been on the agenda throughout the week, well plenty making

647
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Speaker 1: headlines all throughout the week. But I think the thing

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Speaker 1: that's caught everybody's attention for all the wrong reasons is

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Speaker 1: the fact that Northern Territory Police, well, there were a

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Speaker 1: number of assaults on police officers throughout this week in

651
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Speaker 1: Central Australia, mostly so Northern Territory Police charged an eighteen

652
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Speaker 1: year old man after allegedly assaulted five police officers during

653
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Speaker 1: an arrest on Saturday. Now, they were conducting this point

654
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Speaker 1: of sale intervention in Alice Springs at a CBD liquor store.

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Speaker 1: The offender resisted arrest and then punched one officer several

656
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Speaker 1: times in the head and also attempted to bite that officer.

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Speaker 1: A second officer came to assist, and the offender allegedly

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Speaker 1: spat and attempted to bite the officer as well. So

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Speaker 1: we know that then off duty members intervened and the

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Speaker 1: man continued to resist arrest, spitting kicking at all of

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Speaker 1: those officers involved. Then there was another incident where we

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Speaker 1: know that a constable had hair ripped out of her

663
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: head after they had gone to arrest somebody in a home.

664
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Speaker 2: I reckon. That was on Monday.

665
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: We also heard from Saint John's on Monday as well

666
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: that there was a situation where one of the paramedics

667
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: was spat in the face when they had gone out

668
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: to attend something. I mean, some of these situations are

669
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: just dreadful. You know, no body should have to go

670
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: through that kind of thing when they're out doing their jobs,

671
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: and you know, like if you're a paramedic, you're called

672
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: out to actually go and help someone at a time

673
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: when they are in real need of assistance. Even with

674
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 1: the territory police. You know they're out there trying to

675
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 1: do their jobs.

676
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 5: It's disgraceful, Katie, and they should face the full consequences

677
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 5: of the law. It's you know, they're there helping people

678
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 5: when they're vulnerable, often situations where most of us would

679
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 5: would get scared or walk away or you know, they're

680
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 5: going in there and it's just disgraceful behavior and unacceptable.

681
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 6: It's just enoughs enough, something's got to happen here.

682
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 7: I know the corp of Broughting some legislation to try

683
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 7: and make sure that if you're an assault a police

684
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 7: officer or a worker or anything and you know, anyone

685
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 7: who's working, there'd be an actual term in imprisonment for

686
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 7: the first defense, because at the moment now there's nil

687
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 7: managtory minsment and so such as brings it up to say,

688
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 7: if you've got a coward enough to punch someone like

689
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 7: a police officer or a paramedic or the vet or

690
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 7: someone at woo wors, you need to have a strong

691
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 7: message out there that.

692
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 6: You'll receive an actual term in prison.

693
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 7: Because the labor's basically gone soften and crime crime's gone

694
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 7: through the roovers up thirty eight percent. It's just no

695
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 7: matter where you go in the territory, you could be

696
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 7: the victim of crime. And we're going to try and

697
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 7: get people to come here and on tourists to come

698
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 7: here as well.

699
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 6: And they get the car stolen.

700
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 7: Or they see and the social behavior, they don't report

701
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 7: back to their friends and families, saying we'll go to

702
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 7: the territory because it was a sad place.

703
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: Actually interesting, Jared, I have. I've had two groups of

704
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: friends come up from New South Wales and they stayed

705
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: with me for about it. We've had two little camp

706
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 3: of antinos and one of them that one of them

707
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: lived up here quite a long time and did work

708
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: for Saint John for twenty plus years. And she asked

709
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: me the question. She said, I've heard lots of things

710
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: about Elie Spring. Should we stop there or should we

711
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: stop here? And I said, well, you know, this is

712
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: what I think, and this is the kind of places

713
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: you just stay. But I mean, they're not shrinking violence,

714
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: these people. So, but they had that from New South Wales,

715
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: the bottom of New South Wales, and they are saying

716
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: the stories are out there, so and that's what we

717
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: don't want to have happened.

718
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: Not to.

719
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: There's lots of lovely things still in our springs, and

720
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: there's lots of stuff to do, like that light show,

721
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,239
Speaker 3: and they're going to go to Ularu and they're going

722
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: to go to King's Canyon, so they're going to get

723
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 3: out of the city, but they're not staying in the

724
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: city or the town. And the word is out there,

725
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: and that's that's bad. We can't have that.

726
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: You've raised a really good point keys here, because you

727
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: know the thing is we can all sort of stop

728
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: talking about it and pretend there's not an issue, and

729
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: as the government says in question time, you know, talk

730
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: the territory down. But at the end of the day,

731
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: if these issues are happening, you can't ignore them or

732
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: they're never going to get better. You know, if you've

733
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: got calls like earlier in the week, people calling through

734
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: about those cars in Malac that had been damaged. Then

735
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: the police revealed on the show yesterday kids age six to.

736
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: Twelve years old, and that's minor crime.

737
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: You know, that's the kind of thing that half the

738
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: time barely even rates are mentioned, but it has a

739
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: huge impact on people having that's right.

740
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: Well, see, some places are going to miss out these

741
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: two people, they went to the aren't to Bitter Springs

742
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: near Mataranka wherever it is a state, A couple of

743
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: nights there and they're going to bunny Hop all the

744
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: way down to Alice.

745
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 7: These people STI got to call into those towns, get yeah,

746
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 7: and that's and social behavior. Go back and tell their

747
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 7: friends don't come to the territory. And right now this

748
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 7: is a drive market because you know people who want

749
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 7: to go overseas.

750
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 6: I know that it's open up again.

751
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 7: So we want these people to go down south and

752
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 7: say territory, it's a great place, come up here. But

753
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 7: unfortunately the labor government have got their head in this end.

754
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 7: I know that Leers down at Alice Springs today. She's

755
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 7: down there looking around where Michael Gunner goes there and

756
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 7: sort of flies in and flies out. People really need

757
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 7: some action here in the Seal peer doing that by

758
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 7: changing your legislation, and we want the labor coming to

759
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 7: support it. So it'd be interesting to see what happens

760
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 7: in the main sittings whether they support our move to

761
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 7: try and make it a mandatory term of imprisonment for

762
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 7: if you assault a worker, including police officers, paramedics, all

763
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 7: the people we just spoke about, because it's important enough to.

764
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: See is it something that you guys will support.

765
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: So Katie, we did legislation in this space in twenty eighteen,

766
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen. From memory, we expanded the definition of it worked.

767
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 5: Can I let you have your rant? Let me have

768
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 5: a little go. We expanded the definition of an emergency

769
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 5: worker and it's a difficult space in terms of that definition.

770
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 5: But the fire is the paramedics and the police officers

771
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: who they're working environment is different and they're not you know,

772
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 5: they're out in the open environment.

773
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: So we change that definition.

774
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 5: There is a penalty I believe it's up to seven

775
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 5: years imprisonment, so that you know, any legislation coming forward,

776
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 5: we'd of course look at it and make sure that

777
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 5: you know it has been drafted correctly. From the memory

778
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 5: of the legislation being introduced, it sounded similar to what's

779
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 5: already in place, but well, of course it's sitting on

780
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 5: the notice paper and we'll look at that. You must

781
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 5: be looking at these incidents that have occurred in the

782
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 5: last week, though, I'm thinking to yourself, hang on a second,

783
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 5: something is not right here, like we aren't there isn't

784
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 5: you know, for whatever reason there's not a deterrent or

785
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 5: things seem to be really quite bad.

786
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 4: Oh, they're disgraceful there.

787
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 5: It's completely unacceptable, and so of course we need to

788
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 5: make sure that these people face the consequences of the

789
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 5: penalties in place, and we need to work around why

790
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 5: they're perhaps happening, and if there's anything else we can

791
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 5: do in that space, we do it.

792
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: Clearly the legislation, and I do recall the legislation because

793
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: I support it. Where I think it was was Ambo's

794
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: police fire, emergency service is probably even nurses. I think

795
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: we're in that emergency worker tougher penalties. But I haven't

796
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: heard any people being charged with this yet, So I'm

797
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: not saying it's not working. I'm just saying it hasn't

798
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: been used. So what's the point of putting in legislation

799
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: if the authorities in that space don't charge these offenders

800
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 3: like these these people in our springs. Clearly it's not

801
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: an alleged crime, it's a crime against emergency workers. They

802
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: should be charged and feel the full brunt of that

803
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: legislation where they.

804
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 7: Go to jail, and remember the change of assumption against

805
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 7: bail earlier in the settings, and that was knocked back

806
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 7: and by the government because older men, leaves people are

807
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 7: doing these offenses and are on bail already, well need

808
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 7: to be consequence action right now.

809
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: It's not just those issues that we're seeing with these

810
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: assaults on officers and also on frontline workers, but we

811
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: know we've got a real issue at the moment with

812
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: this anti social behavior that we're seeing all around the place.

813
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I feel like a broken record because we've spoken about

814
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,959
Speaker 1: it literally every week, I think since we've come back

815
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: just about this year, but everywhere I go at the moment,

816
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: just about every phone call we get. You know, so

817
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: many of those social media interactions are about that anti

818
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: social behavior and some of the behavior that we're seeing

819
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: around the Northern Territory right now. You know, I was

820
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: in the shopping center yesterday afternoon and I had people

821
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: that work in there saying to me, Katie, I am

822
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: scared to walk to my car when I finished my shift.

823
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: You know, that is a real worry when you're talking

824
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: about one of our major shopping centers in the territory.

825
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: You know, I was in a business in perap on Friday.

826
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: They pulled me up said I've never seen it so

827
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: bad in the time that I've lived here, And it

828
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: wasn't just people being intoxicated and behaving badly or trying

829
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: to break into different businesses. The concern that one particular

830
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: business I'd have had and said to me is we're

831
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: talking about domestic violence on the street as well.

832
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: We are literally.

833
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: Seeing women getting bashed on the street, and you know,

834
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: we're calling the police, We're trying our best to help

835
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: these people.

836
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: They get moved along and then it happens down the street.

837
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's not sort of good for us to

838
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: just go, okay, Well, some of these changes are going

839
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: to be long term. We've got the police doing this.

840
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: We've got the police doing that. We've got a real

841
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: warrior at the moment. It is happening all around the place.

842
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: Files even your electoral office was broken into.

843
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, kdie.

844
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 5: And it's not just short term measures. It's long term

845
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 5: and it's a combination, and it's a difficult issue to solve.

846
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 5: If it was simple, it would have been solved, you know,

847
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 5: decades ago. But certainly right now, working across the ngngos,

848
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 5: you know that return to country, we know that that's

849
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 5: had a factor that sheer volume of people I sought

850
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 5: some information yesterday and was briefed around there is accommodation

851
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 5: available at the short term accommodation centers, but looking at

852
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 5: the factor of alcohol involved in this. But yeah, certainly

853
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 5: acknowledge you know, the antisocial behavior and working across government

854
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 5: and NGOs and community and also you know community leadership

855
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 5: elders around how to tackle this here.

856
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 7: I think it's really sad people are there saying, oh,

857
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 7: that's just normal as it happens. It's not normal, and

858
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 7: it needs to be looked at. It needs to be

859
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 7: dealt with, because when you just think, oh, that's what

860
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 7: happens and just walk away, well, that is just unacceptable.

861
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: And this is what I worry a bit about at

862
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: the moment, is there is that there does seem to

863
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: be a degradation in some of the behavior that we're

864
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: seeing around the place. And I think that a lot

865
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: of the time, we've all become quite desensitized to different

866
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: things that we are seeing, you know, some of the

867
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: things that are happening around the place, and then you

868
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: do have visitors come from another state or you have

869
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: family come and visit, and all of a sudden, you're

870
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: seeing the territory through these different eyes again and thinking,

871
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: goodness me, this actually isn't okay.

872
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: It's not good for anybody.

873
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: Especially you know, like and three of us. I'm not

874
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 3: sure about you, Matt, but we've grown up here and

875
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: so you know what it was like when we were

876
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 3: kids up here.

877
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, just.

878
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: Are blowing but and I agree, I think we are desensitized.

879
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: But it's interesting because there's new pockets of this upheaval

880
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Speaker 3: expanding from out of the urban areas. I'll give you

881
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Speaker 3: an example, where the Bunning is on the Stewart Highway.

882
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Speaker 3: There's a group of long glasses Iteinnians call them what

883
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Speaker 3: you like, people from our communities. They camp under the

884
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Speaker 3: back eaves of the building. Now there's been trouble there,

885
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: you know about that in the past, stabbings and what

886
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Speaker 3: have you. But what neighbors have told me, My neighbors

887
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: have told me they've seen an increased presence of police

888
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: paddy wagons just doing circuits around Bunnings and around that

889
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: bottle shop and around the service station whatever, because they

890
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: seem to be they going there. I don't know where

891
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: they've come from. Sometimes it's man and Greta I've found out.

892
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: But they drink lots get into troubles, and that's on

893
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 3: that main bike path. And I know of a previous fellow,

894
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Speaker 3: and I think I might have mentioned this on another show.

895
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Speaker 3: You know, these are proper cyclists, and his bike was

896
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Speaker 3: about thirty thousand dollars and he collected one of these

897
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 3: guys early in the morning bingled himself up being all

898
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 3: the blowup, wrecked his bike. But then when he tried

899
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: to help the Aboriginal fellow that he didn't run into,

900
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: some others came out of the bush and tried to

901
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: nearly beat him up. Yeah, you know so that it's

902
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: one thing to run amock yourselves, but they're creating safety

903
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Speaker 3: and serious health hazards for other people going about their

904
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Speaker 3: normal days lives. And whether it be a sports person

905
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Speaker 3: or just a mom and a dad somewhere or whatever,

906
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Speaker 3: I think there are genuine issues out there and genuine fears.

907
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Speaker 3: As I think someone said about going to shopping centers,

908
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Speaker 3: and I think that's real. I definitely would not let

909
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Speaker 3: my mother and my big sister she takes about shopping

910
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Speaker 3: go to any of those shopping centers other than the

911
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Speaker 3: ones we know and feel comfortable about, because you know

912
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Speaker 3: they're starting to put.

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Speaker 7: An effect on businesses starting to trying to get their business,

914
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Speaker 7: and they can't trade because they've been broken into the

915
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 7: insurance policies going up. People aren't going to the shopping

916
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Speaker 7: centers because they're fearing of there's antisocial behavior.

917
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Speaker 6: So, you know, businesses are our life, right. We don't

918
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Speaker 6: have people here making money.

919
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 7: No one's paying the mortgage, no one's buying stuff, and

920
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 7: when you have.

921
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Speaker 6: All these problems, that's really difficult to operate a bio.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think I don't know how much clearer

923
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Speaker 1: I can make it at the moment.

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Speaker 2: For you know, for everybody sitting in the room.

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Speaker 1: You guys, I know that you're on different sides of

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Speaker 1: the fence when it comes to some of these political issues.

927
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Speaker 1: But I certainly in terms of what the community is

928
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Speaker 1: saying to me the moment, they're really upset.

929
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Speaker 2: They want to see some change in this space.

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Speaker 1: So I do hope that everybody is hearing that very

931
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Speaker 1: loudly and clearly. I'm going to take a very short

932
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Speaker 1: break when we come back. Well we'll get ready to

933
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Speaker 1: wrap up, but we might have a bit of a

934
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Speaker 1: chat about this project. Sea Dragon. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine's three, it's sixty and if

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Speaker 1: you have just joined us, well we've missed a very

937
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Speaker 1: busy hour. But we've got Jered Malee, Matt Cunningham, Keziapurica,

938
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Speaker 1: Natasha Fhiles in the studio. Now, before we do wrap up,

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Speaker 1: Sea Farms, as we know, has conceded that project Sea

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Speaker 1: drag in the world's largest prawn farm, located on Lagune's

941
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Speaker 1: Station about three hundred and forty kilometers southwest of Darwin,

942
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Speaker 1: isn't viable in its current form and has recommended against proceedings.

943
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Speaker 1: So what we do know is that the government had

944
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Speaker 1: committed fifty six million dollars to upgrading three roads to

945
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Speaker 1: support the project, including about seventeen point five million to

946
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Speaker 1: provide year round access to a remote road between Kunnanara

947
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Speaker 1: and the farm in the.

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Speaker 2: Remote northwest NT.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know a lot of people questioning how we

950
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Speaker 1: spent you know, that much money on a road before

951
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Speaker 1: the project got underway.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is very concerning.

953
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Speaker 7: Can remember this is taxpayers money we're talking about, you know,

954
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Speaker 7: the mums and dads, the business owners out there, and

955
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Speaker 7: the government's gone out and spent fifty six million dollars

956
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Speaker 7: which could have been spent in health and education or

957
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Speaker 7: police on a project that's now defunct and not going ahead,

958
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Speaker 7: and it just begs the question, what's next, What's what's next?

959
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Speaker 7: What other projects is going to be all the taxpayers

960
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Speaker 7: money spent. Remember we had the water bottle incident a

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Speaker 7: few years ago there was ten million dollars fifty six

962
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Speaker 7: million dollars now accounted for twenty million dollars grandstand and

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Speaker 7: remember the Gunpoint roads, in my electric and Gunpoint roads.

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Speaker 7: The problem is caused out there is now there's this

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Speaker 7: alway the road out to Gunpoint, and there's all there's

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Speaker 7: any social behavior and people out there now drinking and.

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Speaker 6: All that stuff happening before.

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Speaker 7: You can only get out there in a land cruise

969
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Speaker 7: or a good full drive for maybe six months a year.

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Speaker 8: People who don't engage in antisocial behavior drive land cruise.

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about the road. The road is now a

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Speaker 6: beautiful roads.

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Speaker 2: What homework do we do before?

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Speaker 8: Did the government get about this?

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Speaker 3: And what what? What integrity diligence?

976
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Speaker 2: It's not the diligence that we haven't done for some.

977
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Speaker 3: Projects the government hoodwinked.

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Speaker 8: Well, the question like why not waiting until there's a

979
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Speaker 8: final investment decision or until there's financial close. That seems

980
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Speaker 8: that that.

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Speaker 3: Could have been part of the package final investment decision,

982
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Speaker 3: which often happens, you know with mining projects. Well, the

983
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Speaker 3: mining project says, yes, this is what we're going to commit,

984
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Speaker 3: but we need help with you to do this, and

985
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Speaker 3: so then the government says, yes, we'll give you that money.

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Speaker 3: Like well, Wonga Road. But Wonga was a little gold

987
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Speaker 3: mine down Pine Creek Way and they're going to cross

988
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Speaker 3: the highway and they went to the government said, look,

989
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Speaker 3: can we just put a little underpass under the highway.

990
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Speaker 3: This is what the gold mine is going to do.

991
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Speaker 3: This is how much it's going to make for us,

992
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Speaker 3: And the government came to the party government put the

993
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Speaker 3: underpass in. But after it has agreed to, then the

994
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Speaker 3: government spent the money, not before.

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Speaker 1: I believe we've seen other situations where maybe homework wasn't

996
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Speaker 1: done quite as well as it should have.

997
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Speaker 2: Been before money was handed out.

998
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Speaker 1: Didn't we have a grandstand that was built where maybe

999
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Speaker 1: the homework wasn't done quite as well as it could

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Speaker 1: have been.

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Speaker 8: Well, to be fair, at least the day and cup

1002
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Speaker 8: still happens. People come and fill the grand stand.

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Speaker 1: Look We have got a message in one of our

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Speaker 1: listeners saying, good morning Katie. A question to our pollies

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Speaker 1: on project ce Dragon, where are the feasibility studies that

1006
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: should have been done before any taxpayers money was granted?

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Speaker 2: I think that that's what a lot of people are asking.

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Speaker 6: What I mean.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a publicly listed company from Modern so

1010
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Speaker 3: you know, it would have had to report to the

1011
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Speaker 3: Stock Exchange on stages of the project, and it has

1012
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Speaker 3: also a publicly listed company has a huge lot of

1013
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Speaker 3: other requirements and this.

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Speaker 1: Is the thing which but it makes me wonder whether

1015
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Speaker 1: it's more a situation of you know, obviously I would

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Speaker 1: imagine that that company has done everything that they need

1017
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Speaker 1: to do because, like you said, if they're publicly listed,

1018
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Speaker 1: they need to report back to their shareholders, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But then why did we jump the gun?

1020
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Speaker 7: This is about the Northern Charactory government spending fifty six

1021
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Speaker 7: million dollars on a project that's going nowhere?

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Speaker 3: Did they see to use an expression? When expiration companies

1023
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Speaker 3: get listed on the Stock Exchange and they're just a

1024
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Speaker 3: small company, they're often called paper miners. They haven't done

1025
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Speaker 3: anything illegal, but they're never really actually going to find

1026
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Speaker 3: a minor dig it up. So I don't know the

1027
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Speaker 3: history of this company. No idea of process of government

1028
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Speaker 3: should have been to really check the credentials of the

1029
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Speaker 3: direct and I think how much capital I've got, you know.

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Speaker 1: My understanding is that, you know, obviously again I think

1031
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Speaker 1: that they've done everything that they were supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: But my question really is why did the government go

1033
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Speaker 1: go in head first, spending fifty six million dollars before

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Speaker 1: you know, before they were actually completing that feasibility study

1035
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Speaker 1: and doing everything to make sure the project was happening.

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Speaker 5: It's Katie in the short time that I've got to

1037
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Speaker 5: answer that. We of course look at projects that create

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Speaker 5: jobs and where with that enabling infrastructure. These are public roads.

1039
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Speaker 5: But my understanding is that the project that the new

1040
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Speaker 5: chief executive is looking at how the project can be

1041
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Speaker 5: staged so that it continued to be rolled.

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Speaker 2: Out, so what you reckon, it's still going to happen.

1043
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 5: That's the advice that they're looking at, how around the

1044
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 5: viability of it to still make it happen because there's

1045
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Speaker 5: that huge market there. We've got the infrastructure in terms

1046
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Speaker 5: of the climate and the waters.

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Speaker 7: So that's my understanding that fifty six million dollars could

1048
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Speaker 7: have been spent our health system this year and next

1049
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Speaker 7: year and then when this project rolls out in five

1050
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Speaker 7: or ten years, so I think he spend the money then.

1051
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Speaker 7: But right now health Systems in Christis had five code

1052
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Speaker 7: yellows in the last year and fifty six million dollars

1053
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Speaker 7: would have been going a long way to help our

1054
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Speaker 7: health system.

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Speaker 5: And I think Jared's just shown his nativity around roads

1056
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Speaker 5: funding and how these roads are funded as enabling infrastructure.

1057
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Speaker 1: Well, look, unfortunately we are going to have to wrap up.

1058
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Speaker 1: That is it for us this morning. Jared Mayley, the

1059
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Speaker 1: Member for Nelson, thank you so much for your time

1060
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Speaker 1: and obviously deputy or position later.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you listeners.

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham, Sky News, thank you for your time this morning.

1063
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Speaker 2: Thanks Kizia Puic, the.

1064
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Speaker 1: Independent member for Guida, Thank you, go Rural and Touched

1065
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Speaker 1: a Files member for Nightcliff and Elth Minister, thank.

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Speaker 4: You saved the best to last year.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: This morning.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 1: sixty