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Speaker 1: On today's show, Lily Brown addresses her infamous friendship breakdowns,

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Speaker 1: fans left disappointed by Anna Paul's new skincare brand and

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Speaker 1: Indy Clinton's hospital scare. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's

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Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news

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Speaker 1: twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert, and I want to

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Speaker 1: know our daytime naps for adults becoming a thing because

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Speaker 1: this week, former Bachelorette Ellie Miles shared about a new

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Speaker 1: checklist app that she recently downloaded, and I had to

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Speaker 1: laugh because on her list of daily tasks was to

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Speaker 1: have a nap. Look, I really hope it's the way

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Speaker 1: of the future, because there's nothing better than a nap

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Speaker 1: during the day. It was classic because her daily nap

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Speaker 1: was listed right after lunch, so perfect time. So for

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Speaker 1: lunch she was having a smoothie, sitting down, and then

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Speaker 1: having a nap. I have heard of a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that work from home actually implementing daily naps, so

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Speaker 1: maybe we do need to push to have siestas as

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Speaker 1: an acceptable part of the modern working day. I do

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Speaker 1: get a kick out of it when I see influencers

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Speaker 1: sharing their daily schedules and a lot of the tasks

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Speaker 1: are often stuff around getting their eyebrows done or their

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Speaker 1: hair done. Anything. Do you realize that normal people have

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Speaker 1: to schedule these things in on weekends? Well, Ellie had

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Speaker 1: a funny one listed on. There was a full moon ritual.

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Speaker 1: Oh how's that? It's very closerve, isn't it. She also

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Speaker 1: had walking her dog, lunch in, a smoothie, washing, food shopping,

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Speaker 1: and of course, as all influencers have, they have a

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Speaker 1: couple of emails to catch up on. She also scheduled

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Speaker 1: to put in her eye drops. I think it must

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Speaker 1: be that you have to list literally everything you're doing

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Speaker 1: so you feel very accomplished throughout the day, even if

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Speaker 1: your day's not very busy. Let's make some up for

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Speaker 1: us tomorrow. I'm gonna have a bit of fun with

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Speaker 1: this one. I always write a to do list, and

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Speaker 1: I have to admit that sometimes when I've done something

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Speaker 1: extra that's not on my list, I like to schedule

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Speaker 1: it in and then tick it off. Nothing feels better

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Speaker 1: than a handwritten list, though, when you can actually physically

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Speaker 1: do the tick. My mum told me to make an

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Speaker 1: only fans account for real, So when OnlyFans first came out.

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Speaker 1: I said to her, Hey, Mama, I want to start

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Speaker 1: this account. Basically you do this and you do this

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Speaker 1: on there, and she said, you know what, you should

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Speaker 1: go for it. She said if I was your age,

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Speaker 1: I would be doing it too. It's a good idea,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, Mama was right. After months of

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Speaker 1: teasing and speculation, Anna Poul has revealed that her secret

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Speaker 1: project is a skincare brand called Poorly. Anna took to

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Speaker 1: Instagram to announce the news, sharing a photo of herself

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Speaker 1: in Europe with a face mask on. She wrote, my

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Speaker 1: brand is finally here. This is the reason my skin

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Speaker 1: has been so clear, and she tagged Poorly's skin. It

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Speaker 1: is wild because this account now has one hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixteen thousand followers, and that is in the space of

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Speaker 1: a couple of days. A fun fact is in twenty

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Speaker 1: four minutes the account rose to ten thousand followers. So

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Speaker 1: anyone who says that Instagram is dead, this just proves

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Speaker 1: that if you have the star power like Anna Poul,

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Speaker 1: you can actually grow a following. On another page. A

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Speaker 1: little bit off topic, but when you guys kept saying Poorly,

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Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of Oh, she's feeling poorly like.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I like the name of the brand.

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Speaker 1: It reminded me more of Pauly d from Jersey Shore.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's in reference to her backup Instagram account,

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Speaker 1: which is Anna Pauley. Yeah, it was obviously a nickname.

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Speaker 1: I think the reality is it's really hard to come

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Speaker 1: up with a unique name, especially she would have had

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Speaker 1: to copyright everything, so that's why I think they've spelt

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Speaker 1: it that way as well. There aren't too many details

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Speaker 1: about the product yet, but what we do know so

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Speaker 1: far is that it is Australian and also vegan and

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Speaker 1: cruelty free. It's funny because Anna shared a photo of

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Speaker 1: the skincare line on the Instagram account, but the photo

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Speaker 1: is censored so you can only make out the fact

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Speaker 1: that the bottles are brightly colored. It does look like

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Speaker 1: the branding is targeted very much at gen zetters. It's

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Speaker 1: quite interesting because a TikToker called Holly Days, who describes

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Speaker 1: herself as a skincare enthusiast, pointed out that the branding

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Speaker 1: is very similar to Urban Jungle Beauty, which is a

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Speaker 1: popular gen Z brand. So when they first launched in

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Speaker 1: image of the skincare line. The difficult with the skincare

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Speaker 1: market is it's so oversaturated at the moment, so they

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Speaker 1: are going to be similarities between this brand and others

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Speaker 1: out there. The whole thing is Anna Paul presumably has

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Speaker 1: a marketing company behind this, and a lot of the

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Speaker 1: time when you are looking at who your rivals are

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Speaker 1: in the industry, you will look at what their website

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Speaker 1: so it's quite clear they have taken inspiration from this line. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people will be excited to

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Speaker 1: hear that there are going to be products out there

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Speaker 1: that will treat acne. Because Anna shared on an Instagram account,

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Speaker 1: I've always loved skincare and for a long time struggled

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Speaker 1: with my skin. I've tried and tested so many different products,

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Speaker 1: and when the opportunity came out to literally create my own,

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Speaker 1: I was so excited. Skincare products just the new perfumes,

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Speaker 1: like the new celebrity perfumes from back in the day.

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Speaker 1: It definitely is and I can see why influencers are

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Speaker 1: jumping on the trend because there is so much money

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Speaker 1: to be made in skincare. Now, these products aren't even

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Speaker 1: yet available to buy, but Anna has set up a

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Speaker 1: weight list so those who sign up are able to

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Speaker 1: get first access. I would love to see how many

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Speaker 1: names are on this weightlist. It seems to be a

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Speaker 1: part of her market getting strategy throughout this whole brand rollout,

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Speaker 1: because even before people knew what the brand was, and

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Speaker 1: I was asking people to sign up to be the

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty clever marketing technique to see how many

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Speaker 1: people actually want the product so they're able to go

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Speaker 1: out to market with the correct amount. But it seems

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Speaker 1: like that's not even the case because this product is

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Speaker 1: launching on the tenth of September. Yeah, but that being said,

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Speaker 1: she already put out a weight list of those who

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Speaker 1: I think that that first weightlist would have given an

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Speaker 1: indication of how many units to purchase. Yeah, but not

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Speaker 1: everyone on the weightlist might be interested in skincare. It's

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Speaker 1: clearly some database mining going on, because yes, she has

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Speaker 1: a lot of followers, but she doesn't have access to

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Speaker 1: all their email addresses, and any good e comstort needs

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Speaker 1: a big database to work with. I do find it

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Speaker 1: odd that she hasn't spoken about the new skincare brand

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Speaker 1: yet on her TikTok account. She has launched a TikTok

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Speaker 1: that will be the secondary port, an immediate call to action,

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Speaker 1: which would be a clever move. Now, whilst there have

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Speaker 1: been huge numbers that have flooded over to support her

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Speaker 1: new social media accounts, the general consensus online is that

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Speaker 1: some fans are a bit disappointed because many think that

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Speaker 1: the brand alignment doesn't make a lot of sense. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not one that was guessed because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people were trying to work out what she was doing.

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Speaker 1: And I know people thought maybe it was jewelry because

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Speaker 1: it was going to be a fan page. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: people also thought perhaps it would be travel related, so

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Speaker 1: her suitcases with a lot of stickers. Others thought perhaps

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Speaker 1: she should have done something to do with horses or cooking,

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Speaker 1: which she's known for. I said it before, but I

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Speaker 1: think it is a very clever move. I know she's

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Speaker 1: not really known for her skincare. Yeah, people say she

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Speaker 1: has nice skin, but in terms of a strategy, it's

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Speaker 1: something that people have to continuously keep buying, so it's

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Speaker 1: obvious going to make a lot of money, whereas with

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Speaker 1: Do we think that this may spell the end of

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Speaker 1: her OnlyFans career. I definitely think her going out into

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Speaker 1: the business world does give her more longevity as a brand,

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Speaker 1: because I think her Only Fans career does have an

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Speaker 1: her partner who joined in on her Only Fans account

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Speaker 1: and content. I also think a lot of her audience

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Speaker 1: is made up of teenage girls who actually do subscribe,

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Speaker 1: perhaps for tips or whatever. To her, it does depend

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Speaker 1: on the quality of the product though, because we've seen

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Speaker 1: the likes of Zoe Foster Blake, who is highly regarded

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Speaker 1: because of her personal brand. But then again, it's taken

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Speaker 1: off because the products appeared. I mean, I actually haven't

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Speaker 1: used the products before, but I've heard rave reviews about them.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason why people go back and buy them.

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Speaker 1: If Paully the skin care line isn't good, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if people will keep buying it. There are already

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Speaker 1: questions around how good this skincare actually may be. Anna

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Speaker 1: Paul has put herself forward as a guinea pig. She

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Speaker 1: said she's been using these products for over a year

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Speaker 1: now and testing them. However, Anna Paul is very open

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Speaker 1: about the cosmetic procedures she gets done, so it's kind

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Speaker 1: of confusing to know whether she has really beautiful skin

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Speaker 1: very expensive cosmetic procedures. Yeah, and I also assume she

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Speaker 1: that you see influencers posting about. The timing is fascinating

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Speaker 1: because she's just broken up with Glenn and we have

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Speaker 1: has obviously increased her engagement. I wonder if that's why

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Speaker 1: they have been posting so many videos together, because when

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Speaker 1: but I don't think that this was a part of

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Speaker 1: her strategy because her videos have always created such engagement.

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Speaker 1: It was quite nice because Glenn actually reshared one of

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Speaker 1: the videos, so he's obviously still supporting her in that capacity.

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Speaker 1: And maybe he's.

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Speaker 2: I can't be fact kind of plate.

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Speaker 1: Indy Clinton has shared she's been diagnosed with grade four

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Speaker 1: placenta previa. The pregnant mum of two was rushed to

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Speaker 1: hospital earlier this week after waking up with blood in

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Speaker 1: her bed. Let's throw to what she said about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm staying positive.

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Speaker 2: I just don't want to keep bleeding throughout my entire pregnancy,

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Speaker 2: like I'm only halfway through and I'm bleeding.

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Speaker 1: Cool. Indi did spend the night in hospital before returning

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Speaker 1: home on Wednesday, and she updated her TikTok followers that

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Speaker 1: she was no longer bleeding, but felt anxious. Now I

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Speaker 1: know this is a serious medical condition, but I couldn't

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Speaker 1: help but laugh because during her update, she was wearing

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Speaker 1: white silk skims pajamas and she even made light of

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Speaker 1: it is a bit of a bold move. Then, now, Kate,

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Speaker 1: what exactly is pleasanta previa? Well, I have never heard

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Speaker 1: about it before, but it is a condition where the

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Speaker 1: placenta implants at the bottom of the uterus, over the

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Speaker 2: fallouts for I don't even I still don't know. I'm

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Speaker 2: still not sure about one of them. But yeah, the

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Speaker 2: other one, I know exactly what happened. They know what happened,

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Speaker 2: won't delve into it, don't care to give them the airtime.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that she says she doesn't want to give

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Speaker 1: them the airtime, but then gives them the air because

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Speaker 1: she's clearly using it to get downloads as a hook.

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Speaker 1: It definitely feels like there is some tension there between

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Speaker 1: Lucy and Nicky, the three of them, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of confusing because a couple of months ago, Lily Brown

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Speaker 1: attended a launch of M Davies and Lucy and Nicky

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Speaker 1: were at that launch and it was quite an intimate launch.

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Speaker 1: It was just some sort of luncheon. Yeah, people thought

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Speaker 1: that they might have rekindled their friendship. I mean maybe

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Speaker 1: M davies was hoping because she seems very close with

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Speaker 1: Lily and also to the wild Ones. Well. The speculation

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Speaker 1: is that the falling out was initially over Lily's oifriend Jerome.

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Speaker 1: It's not quite clear what happened there, but after the breakup,

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Speaker 1: Lucy and Nicky appeared to side with him and they

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Speaker 1: posted a number of photos on social media looking very

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Speaker 1: cozy with him. You think it's got to be over that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or I was really intrigued to see where this podcast

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Speaker 1: actually ranked in the charts because Lily has a huge

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Speaker 1: Instagram following three hundred and thirty six thousand, so she

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Speaker 1: ranked number twenty nine in the Apple Podcast Charts. But

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Speaker 1: Britney Saunders and comedian Matt Hay they also released a

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Speaker 1: podcast this week called High Scrollers that is number two

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Speaker 1: in the Apple Podcast Charts. I love when influencers release

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Speaker 1: podcasts because I think it gives you a very clear

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Speaker 1: idea of how engaged their audience is. I would say

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Speaker 1: that Lily Brown's audience is very much engaged to get

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Speaker 1: number twenty nine in the podcast charts, that's still a

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Speaker 1: really good ranking. But obviously Britney Saunders and Matt Hay

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Speaker 1: their podcast was next level. I've seen so many people

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Speaker 1: talking about it online. It was so well received. But

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Speaker 1: Britney Saunders also has double the following of Lily too.

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Speaker 1: I always like seeing what the longevity of these sorts

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Speaker 1: of podcasts are. It seems like Lily is just wanting

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Speaker 1: to get her friends and family on to interview them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long that is going to last,

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Speaker 1: but we'll see you are like the insignificant ass hair.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into am I the asshole? So a guy

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Speaker 1: called Brian wants to know if he's the asshole for

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Speaker 1: buying first class tickets and leaving his in laws to

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Speaker 1: rot in economy. So for some background, Brian is an

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Speaker 1: ex American footballer and he's very tall. He also has

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Speaker 1: some issues with his knees and lower back. Brian also

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Speaker 1: travels by plane for his job and he will usually

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Speaker 1: upgrade his seat from economy to business class. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: Brian's in laws invited him and his girlfriend on a trip,

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Speaker 1: and it's important to note that everyone was paying their

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Speaker 1: own way, so as the flight was seven hours, Brian

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Speaker 1: told his girlfriend and his in laws in advance that

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Speaker 1: he was going to upgrade to business class and they

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Speaker 1: were fine with it. So Brian decided to surprise his

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Speaker 1: girlfriend and upgrade both of their tickets to first class,

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Speaker 1: and he actually made the announcement to his girlfriend at

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Speaker 1: the airport. It's pretty cute because he could barely keep

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Speaker 1: the secret from her and he was so excited to

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Speaker 1: tell her. However, when he announced the news to his girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: while she was happy and stunned, the in laws weren't

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Speaker 1: that impressed so apparently the father in law laughed and

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Speaker 1: shook his head, and his mother in law just didn't

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Speaker 1: look happy at all. So Brian said they had a

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Speaker 1: great time in a first class but when they got

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Speaker 1: off the plane, his mother in law wasn't happy with him,

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Speaker 1: and he asked her how could he leave her and

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Speaker 1: her husband to rot in coach or they lived it

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Speaker 1: up in first class now the father in law said

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Speaker 1: he didn't care, and he slept the whole way and

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Speaker 1: he would have done the same if he had the money.

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Speaker 1: The mother in law thought differently, though. She said that

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Speaker 1: they should have all gone first class together or not

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Speaker 1: at all, and it wasn't fair or a good look

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Speaker 1: to have two parties in different classes like that. She

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Speaker 1: said Brian should have at least paid for economy comfort

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Speaker 1: or business class for the in laws rather than being selfish.

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Speaker 1: So Brian ended up speaking to his girlfriend afterwards, and

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Speaker 1: she said, well, she did enjoy the surprise. She thinks

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Speaker 1: he probably should have saved it for a private trip

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Speaker 1: with just the two of them rather than with her parents. Now,

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Speaker 1: he has added in that his mother in law is

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Speaker 1: usually a nice person, so is Brian the asshole? That's

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Speaker 1: a hard one because I can see both sides of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that it's his responsibility to

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Speaker 1: pay for everyone's first class tickets, but I can see

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Speaker 1: how it is uncomfortable when you're on a group trip

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Speaker 1: to have such a divide like that, particularly as I mean,

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Speaker 1: I haven't traveled first class or business class before, so

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there is a huge difference between

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Speaker 1: the two. There would be. You know, I think he

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Speaker 1: is the asshole because it's the surprise at the airport

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Speaker 1: that makes him the asshole. Surprising the girlfriend in front

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Speaker 1: of the mother and father. They probably thought, wait a sec,

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Speaker 1: he's probably got us tickets as well. I disagree. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's the asshole at all. I think when

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Speaker 1: it comes to traveling, you're kind of in your own

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Speaker 1: little bubble anyway. I mean, it would be different if

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Speaker 1: he had left one family member and coach by themselves.

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Speaker 1: But it rubs it in your face when you know

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Speaker 1: that your friends or the group that you're traveling with

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Speaker 1: are experiencing a higher level of luxury. I've actually experienced

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Speaker 1: this before because when I was traveling with the thirty

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Speaker 1: six is to Utah, all the staff had to travel

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Speaker 1: in economy and all the players traveled in business class.

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Speaker 1: Did it piss me off? Yes, particularly when I walk

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Speaker 1: through the cabin and so I get back to bloody economy. However,

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Speaker 1: I understood that the players needed business class because they

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Speaker 1: were actually playing a Yeah. But that being said, I

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Speaker 1: think where the in laws have the issue is that

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Speaker 1: there is a certain status level involved in having the

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Speaker 1: money to fly first class. So perhaps they felt in

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Speaker 1: bar that they couldn't afford something that their younger future

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Speaker 1: son in law could afford. I want to know how

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Speaker 1: old the parents are, because I feel like if they're

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Speaker 1: more elderly, then you know, he is the asshole, for

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Speaker 1: I can trug elderly. If they're traveling on a trip,

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Speaker 1: Imagine how awkward the trip would have been, because trips

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Speaker 1: with in laws can already be a bit dicey, So

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Speaker 1: that would have put a real damn theer on things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially been called selfish, Like that's a bit of a

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Speaker 1: red flag for me, Like if I was this guy,

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Speaker 1: and also the fact that it seems like his partner

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Speaker 1: stood up for her parents, I'd be a bit like, well, fuck,

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Speaker 1: I just upgraded you to first there's a difference between

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Speaker 1: having a bit of a joke, because I could imagine

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Speaker 1: if our dad was in this scenario, he'd have a

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Speaker 1: bit of fun saying oh did you enjoy it up there,

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Speaker 1: or a bit of banter. But if they've actually sat

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Speaker 1: him down and said how incredibly selfish he isn't disappointed

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Speaker 1: they are, that's a bit far. I love that the

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Speaker 1: father in law was like, I would have done the

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Speaker 1: same thing and left you all for dead if I

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Speaker 1: had the way. Can you point out that he's an

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Speaker 1: ex American footballer. Was he a pro? No? Oh okay,

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Speaker 1: Now I was thinking if he's got money and he

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Speaker 1: didn't upgrade, look, I think does look like a prick?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think it's college level. He said that he travels

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Speaker 1: for work, and work will actually pay, like he'll get

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Speaker 1: the ticket for free, but he'll pay for himself to

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Speaker 1: be upgraded. So he's obviously a well traveled person that

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Speaker 1: knows the system. And thought, oh, surprise, my girlfriend, it's

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Speaker 1: completely backfired on him. Well, I think that's all we've

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Speaker 1: got time for today. Thank you so much for listening

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Speaker 1: to another episode of Outspoken. If you do want to

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Speaker 1: hear more content from us, then please subscribe to Outspoken. Plus,

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Speaker 1: we have dropped our second episode of our Deep Dive

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Speaker 1: on High five and we do have a really exciting

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Speaker 1: interview coming up next week with Nathan Foley from High five.

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Speaker 1: We're asking Nathan all of the juicy questions you've wanted

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Speaker 1: to hear from him for the last twenty years. And

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Speaker 1: this podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the

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Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to

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