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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning.

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Speaker 2: So Global Food and Beverage company NESLE will change the

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Speaker 2: name of two of its most popular confectionery products, the

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Speaker 2: Red Skin and the Chico. And people are saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: what's going on? This is political correctness.

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Speaker 1: It's gone crazy.

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Speaker 3: Political correctness in many people's eyes. Rightly, so it was

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Speaker 3: just correctness. Redskins, I know, even the American baseball team,

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Speaker 3: the Redskins, the washing red. There's been big debate over that.

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Speaker 3: And when you watch a Redskins game, they all do

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Speaker 3: the tomahawk chop. So they've used the whole iconography of

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Speaker 3: a Native American Indian, So which which is their colonization

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Speaker 3: in the way that we look back at how we've

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Speaker 3: treated our indigenous population. That's the same journey for them

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Speaker 3: with the American Indians.

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Speaker 2: See you look at the Raiders. They can get away

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Speaker 2: with a big Viking clap, but the raiders are Vikings

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Speaker 2: upset by that, do you know what I mean? There's

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Speaker 2: a there's a fine line between homage and mockery.

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Speaker 3: Well, and this has always been the debate about any

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Speaker 3: kind of racism. Just because you say it with no

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Speaker 3: negative intent, that does not mean that it's not received

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Speaker 3: that way. So you can say the most derogatory term.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just saying in a friendly way. But if

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Speaker 3: that is a term that upsets people in the way

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Speaker 3: the discussion about coon cheese last week, that's a derogatory

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Speaker 3: term to many people.

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter how you say it, it's how

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Speaker 1: it's received.

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Speaker 2: But that was an American industrialist that came up with

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Speaker 2: the process of cooning cheese, which made it a quicker maturation.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that that word hasn't been used inappropriately

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Speaker 3: for our indigenous population.

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Speaker 2: And is a fine line.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not across the Chico's story.

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Speaker 2: So she goes that translated in Spanish to young boy chickas.

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Speaker 1: So it's a small black boy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love chickens.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny because when you have them, you think

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Speaker 3: they're going to be Coca cola flavor, which I don't like,

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Speaker 3: but actually they're chocolate.

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Speaker 2: They're chocolate, so I don't know if they can put

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Speaker 2: that into the name. It's something that you didn't expect.

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Speaker 2: But it's curious.

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Speaker 3: Remember the fags, Yeah, these were lollies that mocked that mimicked,

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Speaker 3: not mocked mimics cigarettes. Yeah, a long, skinny white stick

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Speaker 3: with red on the end and you'd pretend to smoke.

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Speaker 2: And they changed that in nineteen ninety five from Fags

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Speaker 2: to Fags and at the time the managing director of

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Speaker 2: Fags was quoted as saying the fake smokes were just

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Speaker 2: a bit of fun confectionery. It's bureaucracy gone mad.

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Speaker 1: When they had to change the name, he said that

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Speaker 1: was crazy.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel now about the kids smoking a

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Speaker 2: fake cigarette?

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Speaker 1: We'd be outraged, and rightly so, But is it funny?

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Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety five that was seen as political correctnes.

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Speaker 2: But imagine if a box of crackers came out and

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Speaker 2: it was called cracker and they had like a white face.

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Speaker 1: See what's the cracker tour.

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Speaker 2: In America or in black communities, a white person is

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Speaker 2: known as a cracker.

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Speaker 3: Or say a brand of a New Zealand we will

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Speaker 3: just sell something in New Zealand. We had a person

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Speaker 3: having it off with a sheet. I'm married to a

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Speaker 3: Kiwi and the casual racism about Kiwi's we think, oh.

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Speaker 1: It's good fun. It's good fun. It's still racist, But

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Speaker 1: is that just good humor? Do you draw the lime

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Speaker 1: because you.

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Speaker 3: Make the joke, say it gives Harley the ships will

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Speaker 3: be in a function or something. I'll say hand up

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Speaker 3: if you're in New Zealander and they'll say sorry. I

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Speaker 3: said yeah, I'm no, I'm just saying sorry.

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Speaker 2: And that's you.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing it.

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Speaker 3: But if you imagine if you said that about a

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Speaker 3: Greek person or a Japanese person, why is it different

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Speaker 3: because it's a kiwi.

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Speaker 1: Why doesn't the hurt land? It's still lands?

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Speaker 2: The curious times we live in because you can make jokes.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can make jokes to your Lebanese mates

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Speaker 2: or your Greek mates about.

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Speaker 1: Can you you can about them being Lebanese and Greek.

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Speaker 2: You can do some stuff, are you well, you're getting

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Speaker 2: all your cousins around, you know, just all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But you make that to a friend, you wouldn't say

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Speaker 3: it to somebody who don't know.

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Speaker 2: Goodness you back to the sand. If there was a

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Speaker 2: box of crackers and it had say like a girning

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Speaker 2: face type face and it was called cracker.

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Speaker 3: See you, when you're the majority, it's an easier kid

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Speaker 3: to take. If you're a minority whose treatment is different,

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Speaker 3: it's a different journey.

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Speaker 2: If we just get it all to taste like a Chico.

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Speaker 1: Would the world be a better place?

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Speaker 2: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning at one point seven,

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Speaker 2: tell you