1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily This is the Daily. 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: the twentieth of August. 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Billy. 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: Have you ever missed a work deadline? What happened when 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: you did? Well, that's what the New South Wales Liberal 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: Party is reckoning with at this very moment in time, 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: after it failed to file essential paperwork on time. What 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: does that mean? Well, at least one hundred and thirty 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: eight Liberal Party candidates won't run in the upcoming New 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: South Wales local council elections. In today's deep Dive, we're 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: going explain what exactly has happened and what the Liberals 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: think should happen next. But first, Billy the headlines. 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: The US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken is in the 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: Middle East as part of renewed calls for a ceasefire 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: in Gaza. It comes after her must reject did an 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: updated US proposal over the weekend. Meanwhile, the United Nations 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: has called for an urgent pause and hostilities to address 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: a polio outbreaking Gaza with mass vaccinations. The Palestinian Health 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: Ministry said it has confirmed one case of polio in 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: an unvaccinated ten month old baby. According to the UN, 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip had been polio free for twenty five years. 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: In battled construction union, the CFMEU will be forced into 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: administration for at least three years after the coalition agreed 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: to the government's amended legislation yesterday, follows reports by nine 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: newspapers that the CFMU had been infiltrated by alleged criminals 28 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: and bikis. The government tried to pass legislation allowing it 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: to appoint an administrator to take control of the union, 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: but was blocked by the Greens and Coalition last week. 31 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: The government has now agreed to some of the coalition's 32 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: suggested changes, including powers for the administrator to ban CFMU 33 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: officials indefinitely and a requirement that they provide half yearly 34 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: reports to Parliament. 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: A national report has found nearly a quarter of music 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: creators combined revenue is at risk of being lost to 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: generative AI by twenty twenty eight. Music Rights management organization 38 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: APRA amcost surveyed more than four thy two hundred of 39 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: its members, including songwriters, composers and music publishers, while over 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: half of respondents believe AI can assist the creative process, 41 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: sixty five percent said the risks outweigh the opportunities, and 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: eighty two percent said they were worried AI could impact 43 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: their ability to earn a living from music. Ninety percent 44 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: of First Nation's creators believe that AI will lead to 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: an increase in cultural appropriation, according to the report's findings. 46 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: In Today's Good News, scientists from the Australian National University 47 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: have made a malaria breakthrough which they hope will lead 48 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: to more effective and longer lasting treatments. Malaria parasites feed 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: on cholesterol. Just use this to their advantage to essentially 50 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: trick malaria parasites into consuming too much of it. The 51 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: newly coined Trojan Horse method fights the parasite by deliberately 52 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: giving it a lethal drug dosage. This development pays the 53 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: way for future malaria treatments and could be used in 54 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: the agricultural industry to treat infected livestock. At least one 55 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty eight Liberal Party candidates won't run in 56 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: the upcoming New South Wales local council elections after certain 57 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: paperwork wasn't filed on time. Billy Now there's a bit 58 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: of contests as to who is responsible for this mishap 59 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: that basically means that one of two major parties isn't 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: going to be able to run candidates in a huge 61 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: number of seats. It is a crazy story and I 62 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: think one we needed to get into. 63 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: This is such a funny story because as a journalist 64 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: I can definitely relate to the stress of deadlines. I 65 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: can't say that I have ever missed one that has 66 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: resulted in one hundred and forty people not being able 67 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: to go to their election. Right, very stressful. 68 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I this is just an annoying tangent, but 69 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: I have worked on a Meryal campaign before, and these 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: deadlines are so drilled into you, you like write them 71 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: in your diary in big red pen. They're very clear. 72 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: You know you can't miss them, but apparently you can. 73 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: So interesting. Also, New South Wales local council elections isn't 74 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: usually something that the Daily Ods would cover. We're a 75 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: bit more of national focus. But it's one of those 76 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: funny ones where everyone can relate to, you know, that 77 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: stress of the deadline and it's just wild what has 78 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: gone on here, Zara. I've kind of seen this in 79 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: the headlines over the past week. Can we just that 80 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: what do we need to know? 81 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: Well, I think where we need to start with this 82 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: story is just a bit of context about the New 83 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: South Wales local election, because as you said, I mean, 84 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: I will acknowledge that we actually spoke about the Melbourne 85 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: City Council elections, so. 86 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: It's the season for local election two for two of. 87 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: Me just wedging in political knowledge. But hey, so with 88 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: New South Wales specifically, on the fourteenth of September, New 89 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: South Wales will hold local council elections and just a 90 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: bit of a reminder hear that in Australia we have 91 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: three levels of government, so we've got the local, state 92 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: and federal government. When we're talking about local government, we 93 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: are talking about councils, so the people that are responsible 94 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: you know, forbidden pickups and for rates and all of 95 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: those sorts of things. That's different to the state and 96 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: federal politicians who we elect. But one thing that's similar 97 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: is that there are Labor and Liberal and many other Greens, 98 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: you know, independents. They do still stand for election in 99 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: the local councils. And the way that these elections typically 100 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: work is that both of those major parties put forward 101 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: candidates in any number of seats I'd say most number 102 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: of seats across the state, much as they would for 103 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: a state or federal election. The New South Wales Electoral Commission, 104 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: that's the body that oversees the election, sets a deadline 105 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: for nominating candidates. That deadline was twelve pm on Wednesday, 106 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: the fourteenth of August. After that point, no new candidates 107 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: are allowed to register to appear on the ballot. 108 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so there's this deadline of twelve pm Wednesday, fourteenth 109 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: of August. We are way past that now, yes, So 110 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: what happened Someone missed it. 111 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: Someone missed it. A whole lot of people missed it actually, 112 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: So after that deadline passed last week, it became very 113 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: clear that something had happened with the Liberal Party. They 114 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: had missed their opportunity to nominate candidates in a fair 115 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: few local council elections. Those council areas that will have 116 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: no Liberal candidates include Sydney's Northern Beaches, the Blue Mountains 117 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: and Woollongong. And to give you a sense of the 118 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: political gravity of the situation, there's an analyst, Ben Row 119 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 2: who runs a popular election blog called the tally room, 120 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: and he's estimated that the Liberals will miss out on 121 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: fifty council spots that they would have won if those 122 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: candidates have been running in those seats. 123 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: That is wild. We have all made mistakes a work, 124 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: but that feels like a pretty big one. 125 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: A big one. 126 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: So who is responsible for this? 127 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of complicated. If we had done 128 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: this podcast last week, it would have been a very 129 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: clear answer, but now that's shifting a bit. But just 130 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: to go back to last week, So the Liberal Party 131 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: state director is the person that normally oversees these nominations 132 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: four candidates at local, state and federal elections. That person 133 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: is Richard Shields. He was the new South Wales Liberal 134 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: Party Director and he was given that position back in 135 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: September twenty twenty three. In a statement, he said that 136 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: he had given responsibility for these nominations to another senior 137 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: Liberal person whose name is Don Harwin. He said that 138 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: he was doing this basically so that he could focus 139 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: on the upcoming federal election. So he said, I'm going 140 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: to give you Don Harwin, responsibility for filing this paperwork 141 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: so that I can focus on the federal election. 142 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: So just to recap a man named Richard Shields. He 143 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: is the New South Wales Liberal Party director. He delegated 144 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: this task to someone who was senior in the Liberal 145 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: Party called Don Harwin. 146 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: That's where we're at. And so last week the message 147 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: that was coming out was basically by delegating, no one 148 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: had taken responsibility for actually making sure that paperwork was 149 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: filed on time. New South Wales opposition leader Mark Speakman 150 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: was out in front of the media saying that this 151 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: was a complete debarcle and he told Shields that he 152 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: had to resign that you know, the party couldn't move 153 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: forward with him. That didn't happen. It ended up that 154 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: Shields was fired on Thursday night, and in a statement 155 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: last week the Liberal Party said what occurred this week 156 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: is simply not good enough. Then promised to refund nomination 157 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: fees paid by candidates who now can't run. If the 158 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: story had stopped there, it would have been pretty wild, 159 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: but over the weekend it took a step further. 160 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so the big boss, Richard Shields, has not resigned, 161 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: he's been fired, but he was out of the job. 162 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: What happened to the person he delegated to, Don Harwan. 163 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: At the time of recording, Don Harwan is still in 164 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: his position. 165 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: Wow. 166 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: Don't know how tenable that is long term though. 167 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: Okay, and then you said that there was an update 168 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: over the weekend. What happened. 169 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this goes back to what I said earlier 170 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: about there was a very clear person who the Liberals 171 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 2: were blaming last week, but then something shifted over the weekend. 172 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: Their strategy shifted and now they're blaming the New South 173 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: Wales Electoral Commission. 174 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: So what they're legating more exactly to take the blame exactly. 175 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: So now the New South Wales Liberal Party is saying 176 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: that it's the Electoral Commission's fault that they missed this 177 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: deadline because the Commission only gave five days notice instead 178 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: of seven days notice that the deadline was looming, and 179 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: that in losing those two days of publicly declaring you 180 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: must file your candidates by this date, that they are 181 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: responsible for the Libs not doing it. They called on 182 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: the New South Wales Electoral Commission to urgently reconsider its 183 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: decision to refuse a request to extend the deadline, following 184 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: its own admission that it made an error and didn't 185 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: comply with the timeframe. To provide formal notice. The New 186 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: South Wales Liberals went on to say this is about 187 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: more than just a date. It's about the commission's responsibility 188 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: to ensure that the electoral process is conducted fairly. They said, 189 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: the integrity of our democracy is at stake. Those are 190 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: very big statements to be making, and they're saying this 191 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: is all because with five days notice that wasn't enough 192 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: time for them to get all their paperwork in and 193 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: had there been those seven days notice, it would have 194 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: been a different story altogether. The New South Wales lib 195 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: said that if the Commission doesn't extend the deadline then 196 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: they'd pursue legal action in the New South Wales Supreme Court. 197 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: So that's quite an ultimatum, it is. What did the 198 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: New South Wales Electric Commission respond? 199 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: I mean it was just a flat out no. They 200 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 2: truly did not even entertain the conversation. So this all 201 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: came to be, you know, over the weekend and by 202 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon we had a clear answer for the New 203 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: South Wales Electoral Commission. They were not going to be 204 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: extending the deadline any further. In a statement, they said 205 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: there would be very significant ramifications to the election if 206 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: that deadline extension was granted. To back up their point, 207 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: the Electoral Commission said that they provided notice of this 208 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 2: deadline months in advance on their website, on advertising and 209 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: directly to the major parties. Specifically, they said that the 210 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: political parties and candidates had been advised of the fourteenth 211 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 2: of August deadline as early as May. So they're trying 212 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: to rebuff any suggestions that it was their fault that 213 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: the Libs didn't get their deadline in. 214 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: Wow. So interesting. It's literally like there are true truths. 215 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: Likeroup has one list of facts and another has a 216 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: completely different set of facts. Okay, And we mentioned that 217 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: there was an ultimatum that the New South Wales Liberal 218 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: Party said that they would be pursuing legal action if 219 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: the New South Wales' Electoral Commission denied extending the deadline, 220 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: which they've now done. Will we be seeing legal action? 221 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the golden question. There was this ultimatum 222 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: and we've had a no from the Electoral Commission, so 223 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: it would follow that they will now sue. We haven't 224 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: had explicit recognition from the New South Wales Liberals that 225 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: that's what they're going to do. Yesterday in a press conference, 226 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: New South Wales Liberal leader Mark Speakman said that if 227 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: there was any chance of rectifying this situation, and there 228 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: was a reasonable legal basis to do so, then he 229 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: would expect that they would investigate those opportunities. So not 230 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: a really overly clear signal there, but he said, you know, 231 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: we're not trying to shirk responsibility or deny what happened, 232 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: but we owe it to our party members, to the 233 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: candidates and the general public to explore any opportunities there 234 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: might be to legally rectify the situation. 235 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: What has the commentary been like about this online? 236 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's fair to say it hasn't 237 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: exactly been favorable towards the New South Wales Liberal Party, 238 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: and like members of that party are identifying that this 239 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: has been catastrophically handled. So I don't think it's a 240 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: partisan thing to say. I think that, you know, everyone 241 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: acknowledges that this has just been mishandled completely. But I 242 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: thought one of the interesting takes I saw online was 243 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: from a New South Wales Liberal MP. His name's James Griffin, 244 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: and he suggested that it was now on the Labor 245 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: Premier Chris Mins to play a role to allow the 246 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: Liberals to so he tweeted as Premier he should do 247 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: the right thing and support Liberals being allowed to stand 248 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: as candidates for the council elections. Don't be afraid of competition. 249 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: Our democracy is only good as the competition of ideas 250 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: on offer. So there we can see that this isn't 251 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: now not just a Liberal Party issue, but the Libs 252 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: are now saying this also involves the government, This also 253 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: involves labor and they now need to step in. So 254 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: it's almost bigger than just one party. We're now talking 255 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: about both parties, and in terms of the future I 256 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: think of the New South Wales Liberal Party. There are 257 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: some rumors swelling in the news court papers that the 258 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: federal division of the Liberal Party could end up taking 259 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: over the New South Wales Liberal Party in a way 260 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: to make sure that this never happens again. But we 261 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: certainly haven't had any confirmation of that from Peter Dunnan himself, 262 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: so we'll have to wait and see what happens there. 263 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: So just to understand what this could look like if 264 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: it eventuates that the New South Wales Liberal Party isn't 265 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: able to put in candidates for all of these different 266 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: local elections. Will we see a sweep of you know, 267 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: Labor Green's independent candidates taking over these local elections. 268 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 2: It's exactly what we'll see, and it'll be especially interesting 269 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: in those councils that have always been led by the 270 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: Liberal Party. And you know they are now going to 271 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: be really interesting compositions on these councils of like very 272 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: heavily swayed towards Labor as you said, very heavily swayed 273 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: towards the Greens, with no kind of balance from the 274 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: Liberal Party. It's quite a big deal, and I know 275 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: that the origin of it is a bit boring. You know, 276 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: this idea of just not filing paperwork has pretty widespread implications. 277 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: It's really interesting when you think about democracy like this 278 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: moral dilemma. Yeah, how do you deal with this? Yeah? 279 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: Look, I tell you what, I wouldn't want to be 280 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: the one who's responsible. That is my parting note. 281 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: Zara, Thank you for bringing your niche local election knowledge, 282 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: as always to the podcast. 283 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: Probably run out of my opportunities to do so, but hey, 284 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: always work a shot. 285 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: And thank you so much for listening to this episode 286 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: of the Daily Os. If you would like to help 287 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: us grow if you could click follow on Spotify or 288 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: Apple or wherever you get your podcasts, it really helps 289 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: us climb up those charts and helps other people just 290 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: cover us. 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