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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf on Mixed one oh four

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Speaker 1: point nine thanks to Joyce main Darwin. Joining us on

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Speaker 1: the line right now is Mary Claire Boothby, who is

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Speaker 1: the member for Brennan and also indeed the opposition spokesperson

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Speaker 1: on racing and gaming.

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Speaker 2: She joins me on the line right now. Good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Murray, Claire, did you hear the interview a little

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Speaker 1: earlier with the Chief Minister Michael Gunner and do you

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Speaker 1: accept his explanation of events around the IKAK report into

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Speaker 1: the grandstand?

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Speaker 3: I certainly did, Katie, And I'm sure, like most Territorians

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Speaker 3: are absolutely gobsmacked that we have a chief Minister who

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Speaker 3: says he takes responsibility and it all lies with him,

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Speaker 3: and yet he won't even answer a single question about

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Speaker 3: you asking him you know who it was that took

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Speaker 3: this recommendation to the cabinet?

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Speaker 1: Now, that was something that you had sent a pressure

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Speaker 1: release out about yesterday, questioning you know who has going

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Speaker 1: to take responsibility for taking this to cabinet?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think's gone on here?

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, Katie, what we've got

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Speaker 3: here is a chief Minister and a bunch of ministers

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Speaker 3: who are trying to duck and weave away from the

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Speaker 3: fact that, you know, they don't want to talk about

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Speaker 3: what they've done in this whole process. They keep referring

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Speaker 3: to this Eykap report, which is course, is a really

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Speaker 3: long report. They have been implicated. I mean, the first

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Speaker 3: couple of lines of the report talks about ministerial interference,

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Speaker 3: the preferential treatment for government held electoral divisions, about how

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Speaker 3: the process was deeply flawed. So you know, you need

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Speaker 3: to take some responsibility. These are the ministers of the

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory who are ultimately responsible, and yet none of

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Speaker 3: them are coming out and telling us what happened in

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Speaker 3: that whole process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing that is really quite striking to me

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Speaker 1: is that the report found that the Cabinet approved this

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Speaker 1: twelve million dollar grant one day after receiving the application

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Speaker 1: from the Turf Club, which contained no cost benefit analysis

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Speaker 1: or no verifiable costings to.

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Speaker 2: Explain that price tag.

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Speaker 1: You know, he said that there is a market led

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Speaker 1: process which he understood had happened over a twelve month period.

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Speaker 1: But it makes you question the way in which that

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Speaker 1: office was being run if we have got, you know,

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Speaker 1: twelve million dollars of taxpayers dollars being handed across to

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Speaker 1: the turf club without the homework being completed exactly.

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Speaker 3: And I'd like to know for the government to answer

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Speaker 3: any other deal that has been done at a twelve

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Speaker 3: million dollar price tag where it only took one day

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Speaker 3: for them to decide. I mean, this government takes five

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Speaker 3: years to get anything else off the ground and yet

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Speaker 3: for one day it gets twelve million dollar turf club

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Speaker 3: in an electorate which is held by the Chief Minister.

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Speaker 2: Is that your concern here?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Moore has gone on that the

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Speaker 1: ministers haven't done their homework on as well?

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Speaker 3: Well? They're certainly not talking about what they have done,

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Speaker 3: and that's half the problem here is that they keep

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Speaker 3: pushing back onto everybody else. I mean, I heard the

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Speaker 3: for this, and of course there's a role to play

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Speaker 3: for them. But for someone who says he takes responsibility,

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Speaker 3: leading up to an election, he has been anything. But

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Speaker 3: all we need is for these ministers to come out

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Speaker 3: and talk about what actually happened so that we can

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Speaker 3: clear this cloud of corruption. If there's nothing to hide,

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Speaker 3: then come out and let territorians know exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Mary Claire, what do you think needs to happen here?

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that more heads need to roll?

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Speaker 3: I think the Chief Minister needs to take responsibility and

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Speaker 3: if that means that he needs to come forward and

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Speaker 3: on everything else and says that that's what he's going

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Speaker 2: So do you think he needs to stand down?

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Speaker 3: I think he definitely needs to take a heart, good

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Speaker 1: Right, So you actually do you think he needs to

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Speaker 3: We can't have a government that runs around and does

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Speaker 1: I do want to also ask some questions about the

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Speaker 1: IKAK because this morning the Northern Territory News is reporting

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Speaker 1: that the IKAK is set to be referred to the

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Speaker 1: Privileges Committee following allegations Commissioner Ken Fleming misled budget estimates

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Speaker 1: last month. I mean, from what the Chief Minister said

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Speaker 1: be referred to Privileges. Do you think that's the right

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Let me just be really clear though that the

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Speaker 3: IKAK has got two very separate stories happening right now,

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Speaker 3: and what we don't want is the focus to be

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Speaker 1: And look, I don't think anybody's suggesting that it will be,

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Speaker 1: but I think what I'm asking here is whether we

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Speaker 1: need to actually be reviewing the way that the IKAK

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Speaker 1: framework is happening and whether it is operating in the

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Speaker 1: way in which the Northern Territory and Territorians feel it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Katie. And in our last sittings in

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Speaker 3: Parliament we actually put forward a motion to create a

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Speaker 3: select committee in which the KAC could be completely reviewed

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Speaker 3: and how it all works from a legislative point of view.

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Speaker 3: And at the time the government shut down that debate,

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Speaker 3: they didn't even want to go into debate at all,

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Speaker 3: meaning that they were trying to erode that brutinaney and

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Speaker 3: in their opinion they were saying, we're doing our review ourselves.

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Speaker 3: We can't have a government reviewing an independent body. It

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Speaker 3: needs to be absolutely independent and that's something they haven't

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Speaker 3: been clear about wanting to do.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's very it is entirely appropriate and

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Speaker 1: incredibly easy for us to be able to actually look

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Speaker 1: at both of these situations very separately. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: then we're talking about something very different on the other.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there should be a full public

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Speaker 1: So you do think that there should be a full

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like I said, we put forward that motion

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Speaker 3: process so that the Territorians can have their say about this.

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Speaker 1: So do you reckon the Chief Minister from what he

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Speaker 1: that's the appropriate action to take.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that goes far enough.

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Speaker 3: In terms of the Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of the Privileges Committee, and also in

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Speaker 1: terms of that inquiry or that review that's currently being

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Speaker 1: conducted by Greg Shanahan.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it needs to be a completely independent review.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's an independent body of investigating very serious matters.

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Speaker 3: So we can't have a government that's going to investigate that.

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Speaker 3: I mean we saw even if we go back to

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Speaker 3: the Turf Club that the Chievements to himself said that

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Speaker 3: there was a Northern Territory government and an independent Order

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Speaker 3: to Report done an investigation and both found that there

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Speaker 3: was nothing going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Good point is really raises some red flags with anyone

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Speaker 3: who is listening. And I just think that the fact

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Speaker 3: saying that that was good enough, he's just not good enough.

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Speaker 1: Murray Claire, what do you make of the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: saying that he won't go to the Darwin Cup Carnival.

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Speaker 2: Is it something that you will go to?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie I'm hoping to get along and I find

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Speaker 3: it incredible that he doesn't want to go. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there is a Chief Minister's Day in which you know,

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Speaker 3: he I know the government would definitely be supporting that financially,

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Speaker 3: and for him not to go, I mean, what kind

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Speaker 3: of message does that send to you know, the people

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Speaker 3: of the territory that he represents, and our tourists are

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Speaker 3: going to come and visit, like our own Chief Minister

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Speaker 3: is hiding and doesn't want to come out on you know,

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Speaker 3: one of the biggest event carnivals that we've got here.

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Speaker 1: Well remember for Brendan Murray, Claire Booth be really good

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Speaker 1: to speak with you this morning. I really appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time and sorry about that time change as well. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you accommodating us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,