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Speaker 1: We do know that today is the day that the

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Speaker 1: that age of criminal responsibility obviously well going up and

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Speaker 1: joining us in the studio right now is the Opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Lea Fanocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie into your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Lea. Obviously, like I just mentioned that age of criminal

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Speaker 1: responsibility it changes today.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel as though we're prepared for it.

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Speaker 4: This is a backward step for the territory. It just

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Speaker 4: further erodes consequences for people who do the wrong thing.

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Speaker 4: It continues to put the rights of criminals right above

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Speaker 4: the rights of people to be safe, and it disempowers

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Speaker 4: our police. I think Territorians are very confused about what

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Speaker 4: this government is doing when it comes to crime, because

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Speaker 4: things are only getting worse, not better, and this will

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Speaker 2: Leah. I can hear the government right now.

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Speaker 1: They'll be saying, you are going against what the experts

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Speaker 1: are saying. You know, experts are saying that this is

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Speaker 1: the right thing to do. With the first jurisdiction in

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Speaker 2: Why do you think you know better?

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Speaker 4: Because we listen to territorians, Katie, it's us here in

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Speaker 4: the territory. It's people no matter where you live, bearing

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Speaker 4: consequences of labours in action on crime and ultimately, by

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Speaker 4: raising the age of criminal responsibility, all this government is

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Speaker 4: doing is making it impossible for police to deal with

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Speaker 3: They will never face a day in court.

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Speaker 4: The government can't then force these young people into diversion,

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Speaker 1: They are they reckon that they're going to be made

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Speaker 1: to do these programs.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but what government haven't explained, and I challenged them

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Speaker 4: in according with their new law, I say, an eleven

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Speaker 4: make that eleven year old do something they technically have

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Speaker 1: The way that it was sort of explained to me

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Speaker 3: Well, who knows.

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Speaker 4: I have absolutely no confidence in this government to do that.

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Speaker 4: They've been in power for seven years. We don't have

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Speaker 4: the programs currently that are dealing with this. We're seeing

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Speaker 4: escalation in types of offending, escalation and offending full stop,

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Speaker 4: and so now magically you know there's going to be

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Speaker 4: just don't believe it, Katie. They have no confidence in

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think that that's the problem that the

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Speaker 1: tragic death of Decklan Lavity. Now we spoke again yesterday

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is what happens in parliament and unfortunately, Katie,

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Speaker 3: But this happens regularly.

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Speaker 4: So under this government there have been twenty four petitions

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Speaker 3: Now we are very happy, of.

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Speaker 4: Course that the Samara Laviti's petition of Justice for Declan

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Speaker 2: Why is it only sixteen minutes?

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Speaker 3: Again?

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Speaker 4: Government make all the rules of Parliament. They decide those rules,

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Speaker 4: more can be done. Tatasha Files needs to be accountable

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Speaker 4: to twenty six thousand people who say more needs to

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Speaker 1: The thing that I actually found really sad yesterday was

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Speaker 3: I was so angry that day.

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Speaker 4: I stood up in Parliament at the end of the

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Speaker 1: Keisei Epirica's message through She said that New South Wales

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Speaker 2: I mean, at least that would be a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: She did say to me last week that she's going

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Speaker 1: as a matter of public importance, and I think that

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Speaker 3: And that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: There are some other ways that we can get around,

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Speaker 4: it's not the debate on the petition, you know. And

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Speaker 4: that's what's really sad about this government is even when

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Speaker 4: to listen. And so everyone needs to come together and

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Speaker 4: put pressure on this government. Ring your labor local member,

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Speaker 3: We have to be heard.

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Speaker 4: We just deserve to be heard, and more so, we

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: People deserve to be in Parliament listening to us. The

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Speaker 1: Leah, that numbers now at twenty five thousand, nine hundred

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Speaker 3: That's right, which.

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Speaker 1: Actually demonstrates to me that what they announced is not

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Speaker 1: in line with the community's expectations. But Leah, I will

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Speaker 1: the main criticism that I get of you is that

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Speaker 4: We would not be raising the age of criminal responsibility.

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Speaker 4: The COLP has legislation in Parliament right now to make

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Speaker 4: we've brought laws into parliament Katie that would see first

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Speaker 1: So what do you say though, to the critics that say, well,

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Speaker 4: Well, Labor like to cherry pick experts and put them

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Speaker 2: I saw you saying that that's what they've done with

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Speaker 4: With the Bower review, I mean, what a shocker You've

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Speaker 4: had decl Lavity killed at work. Three days later, Natasha

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Speaker 4: Files announces an immediate Bower review. The Immediate Bower Review

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Speaker 4: a single change was made mad to Bail. I mean,

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Speaker 4: how extraordinary and out.

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Speaker 3: Of touch was that move?

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Speaker 4: And yet there is plenty we can do with the

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Speaker 4: The law is too weak and it's because labor have

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Speaker 2: You say that.

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Speaker 1: They cherry pick who has done that review. Do you

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Speaker 4: No, My understanding is it's a couple of public servants

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Speaker 4: good people experienced in their field. But ultimately, we have

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Speaker 4: five months to come back with an answer saying oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: point that proves my point, Katie, is in that report,

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Speaker 4: ca admit a violence offense. Now that's an extremely high bar.

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Speaker 4: The data they should have given territories if they were honest,

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Speaker 4: is how many people that were bailed went on to

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Speaker 4: We asked it in question time. They wouldn't answer. And

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Speaker 4: that's the information people need to know if you're out

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Speaker 3: There should be a consequence for that LEA.

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Speaker 1: In just a couple of moments, we're actually going to

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Speaker 1: be catching up with well with Bulk Liquids Alliance Organizer

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Speaker 1: showing result. We know that Eastarm workers who manage the

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Speaker 1: offloading and storage of fuel have announced it they're going

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Speaker 1: to begin industrial action against will Royal Vopak starting on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I mean this could potentially be a worry for the

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Speaker 1: I guess those prices too, potentially.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a really big issue for our community.

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Speaker 4: Of course, fuel prices are at all time high. Cost

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Speaker 4: So we hope it resolves quickly and that things are

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, obviously the show was on

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. You had an absolute cracker by the

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Speaker 1: look of things, winning a number of cooking categories. A

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Speaker 1: big question how did things go with Josh Bergorne and

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Speaker 1: Steve Edgington Following their fight at the Catherine Show.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I can tell you lovers in the air, Katie.

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Speaker 4: It was a fantastic show. We had a wonderful time

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Speaker 4: together as a team. We were also down in Adelaide

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Speaker 4: River for the Result effect the Hatchet. Oh, that little

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Speaker 4: tiff is all done and dusted and everyone's moved on

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Speaker 4: and it was a wonderful Darwin show. They had something

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Speaker 4: It was extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: So no concerns amongst the CLP right now, everybody's getting

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 4: No, No, everything is fine, Katie. That was really blown

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Speaker 4: out of proportion, but it's all good. We're happy days,

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Speaker 4: happy campus.

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Speaker 1: And no concerns obviously between the parliamentary wing and the

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Speaker 2: Voice.

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely not so as many people would have seen.

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Speaker 4: There was plenty of no campaigning at the COLP stand

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Speaker 4: and the party is very proud to be on that side,

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Speaker 4: standing with Jacinta and we're there connecting with our community

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Speaker 4: as we do every single day.

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Speaker 3: And it was wonderful.

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Speaker 4: I gave away that many shopping less Katie, I might

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Speaker 4: have to do another order.

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Speaker 3: My cakes.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, wonderful.

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Speaker 3: I was so.

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Speaker 2: Happy yeah, good on you. Well done. On how many

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Speaker 3: First?

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Speaker 4: First for my damper, first for my sultana cake. Mind you,

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Speaker 4: I've been baking that sultana cake for twelve years and

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Speaker 4: never placed, so it was very I feel like I

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Speaker 4: just earned it on time basically and perseverance. And third

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Speaker 4: for my antache biscuits and my daughter Eila picked up

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Speaker 4: two seconds, so well done. Time.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. You could have brought some

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Speaker 4: It was a little maldi on Sunday when I went

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Speaker 4: and picked it up Katie, so I wouldn't do that

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Speaker 4: to you, but maybe I've been paying something fresh.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Leofanoki, good to speak with you this morning. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Take care everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,