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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just once answers now good day.

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Speaker 2: This is doctor Justin Coulson, the founder of Happy Families

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Speaker 2: dot com dot a you, dad toes six daughter's husband

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Speaker 2: on chan Lyne's Parental Guidance. Also the host of this podcast,

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Speaker 2: That Could Be Families Podcast. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: listening and allowing me into your life to hopefully be

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Speaker 2: useful in making your family happier. Right now, school holidays

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Speaker 2: in Queensland, which means that I'm doing my best to

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Speaker 2: spend as much time in the sunshine with Kylie and

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Speaker 2: the girls as I can today a guest that I

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Speaker 2: am so excited to speak to. Just a couple of

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Speaker 2: months ago, I read a book called Hunt Gather Parent. Now,

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Speaker 2: it's not the perfect pairenting book, I don't think that exists,

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Speaker 2: but I got so much inspiration from this book. I

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Speaker 2: really it's very rare that I love reading a parenting book,

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Speaker 2: but this was a book that, really I just thought

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Speaker 2: it was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Hunt Gather Parent.

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Speaker 2: The author is michae Lean du Cleft and Michael Lean

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Speaker 2: is going to be joining me in the Happy Family's

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Speaker 2: Hot Mess Summit. All the details are online. We would

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Speaker 2: love for you to join us for what is going

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Speaker 2: to be, I think the best summit we've ever done.

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Speaker 2: We've done the Bringing Up Boys Summit, We've done the

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Speaker 2: Misconnection Summit and Little People Big Feelings. They are literally

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Speaker 2: world class. They are I mean, the content, the tips,

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Speaker 2: the strategyes, the ideas, the guests, the expert level phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: But this Happy Family Is hot Ness Summit might be

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Speaker 2: the best one we've ever done. It's coming up all

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Speaker 2: the details or at Happy Families dot com dot U

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Speaker 1: Michael In du Cleft, the author of Hunting Gather Parent,

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Speaker 2: Be one of our guests in the Hot Mess Summit

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Speaker 2: that she joins me today for a lightning round. Michael

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Speaker 2: In Doucleaf, who lives in San Francisco with her one daughter,

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Speaker 2: aged I think about six, Is.

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Speaker 1: That right, Michael Lien six?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, six years old and Michaelen has been so

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Speaker 2: kind to jump on to the Happy Families podcast with

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Speaker 2: me and have a conversation about all things parenting in

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Speaker 1: So Michaelen, you have one child age six. My first

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Speaker 1: question is usually do you have a favorite child?

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Speaker 3: I have a dog, but the human child is the.

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Speaker 1: Favorite, right, not the third baby? Who do you love

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Speaker 1: the most? The dog, your partner Matt or your baby girl?

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Speaker 3: My gosh, you know it's I'm all into family, so

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Speaker 2: Are you so diplomatic? I like people squirming when I

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Speaker 2: asked that question. What's your ideal number of kids?

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Speaker 1: And why?

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Speaker 3: You know? I think three, but I would space them out,

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Speaker 3: With I was younger, I would have two more, but

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Speaker 2: know that you used to rate yourself pretty poorly as

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Speaker 3: You'll be a follow up book for the teenager because

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Speaker 2: What's something great that your parents did that you've tried

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Speaker 3: My dad gardened with me when I was little. He

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Speaker 1: And garden, garden, garden, You've inspired me. Who's the better parent?

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Speaker 2: You didn't even think that's I wrote a book. Most

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Speaker 3: your shoes or Nesto. Find your shoes are Nesto? Find

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Speaker 3: It's a long time. But you've challenged me to do

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Speaker 2: If you could spend one hour with Rosie you're six

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Speaker 2: Mike lean Now, Ah, that's beautiful. What's your ultimate joy

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Speaker 3: Oh? Working together with Rosie, like really cooperating, like when

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Speaker 2: What's the right age for a child to have a

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Speaker 3: Okay, when the child can pay for the phone and

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Speaker 2: As well, that's the answer I always give. No one

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Speaker 3: That's that comes from the Maya families. The kids have

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Speaker 2: What's your little girl, Rosie's favorite thing to do with you, Michaelan,

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Speaker 2: I think Carden.

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Speaker 3: Well, she doesn't like cooking right now. Travel. She loves

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Speaker 2: My village is amazing. Okay, we got three questions to go.

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Speaker 3: You give yourself Start reading David Lancy's book about Parenting

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Speaker 2: So before I ask you the last question, i'd need

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Speaker 2: I very rarely read parenting books. There's that whole diminishing returns.

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Speaker 2: I've read so much about parenting, and reading a parenting

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously my books are an exception, but your book,

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Speaker 2: I know, if you could travel back in time and

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Speaker 2: talk to yourself as a young parent, you said that

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Speaker 2: you would give.

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Speaker 1: Your book to you. I would too.

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Speaker 2: Your book is a book that is now on my

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Speaker 2: list of books to give people because I loved it

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Speaker 2: kinds of things that I'm saying in my books. But

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Speaker 2: what you've done is you've taken many of the ideas

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Speaker 2: it's so helpful. That's a really big, van blatant advertisement

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Speaker 2: thank you for what you've written.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. That means a lot to me.

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Speaker 2: The last question that I'm going to ask you, Michaelan,

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Speaker 3: As a mom, I raised a kid who we were

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Speaker 3: is to raise a kid that does that. I mean,

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Speaker 3: knows how to be kind to other people. That's what

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Speaker 2: Michaelandcliffe, the author of Hunt Gather Parent, thanks so much

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Speaker 2: for joining me for a Happy Families lightning around on

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you for having me. It's fun.

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Speaker 2: The Happy Family's podcast is produced by Justin Rulan from

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Speaker 2: Bridge Media. Craig Bruce is our executive producer and for

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Speaker 2: more and fol about making you family happy, visit happy

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Speaker 2: Families dot com dot you, or grab a copy of

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Speaker 2: Hunt Gathered Parent by Michaelan Ducliffe