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Speaker 3: one of our guests, Ian Kerner. Ian is the author

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Speaker 3: of She Comes First and So tell me about the

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Speaker 3: last time you had sex, as you can probably gather

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Speaker 3: some of the themes that we may discuss in today's podcast,

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Speaker 3: to be an absolute cracker. Please welcome Ian Kerner to

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Speaker 3: the podcast. So tell us how many kids you have

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Speaker 3: and how old they are?

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Speaker 2: In I have two children, two boys, nineteen and sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite?

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Speaker 2: No, I love both of my boys. I will say

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Speaker 2: But sometimes it feels like my older son is more

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Speaker 1: It's easy to understand people who are more lock you rot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean certainly leads to

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Speaker 1: Who do you love most? Your partner, your kids?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I loved I wouldn't have my kids

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Speaker 3: We've our youngest is eight, but other than that, all

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Speaker 3: What's something great that your parents did that you've tried

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm really enjoying my relationships with both of my

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Speaker 3: The last question for you Ian Kerner, author of So

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