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Speaker 1: sixteen Narties just thirteen minutes after nine o'clock.

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Speaker 2: And joining me in the studio as she does on

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Speaker 2: a Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: It is the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, Leofanochiaro.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning Katian to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Now, late last week.

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Speaker 1: We learned that a parliamentary committee has recommended the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory government finished building the eight hundred and twenty million

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Speaker 1: dollar doo and shiplift project, that is, despite holding no right.

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Speaker 2: To the revenue that it's going to generate.

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Speaker 1: The Anti Public Accounts Committee releasing that report into the

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Speaker 1: embattled shiplift on Thursday, providing five recommendations, including the project

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Speaker 1: proceed with stricter cost controls. A Chief Minister Review had

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Speaker 1: a chance to go through that report and what do

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Speaker 1: you make of it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have, and we're very glad that the PAC

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Speaker 3: took a really close look at this. This was a

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Speaker 3: unanimous report, no dissenting reports, and so it is a

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Speaker 3: position of the Parliament and ultimately it spells out really

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Speaker 3: clearly for territories that labor completely lacked transpit and see

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Speaker 3: on this project, that the blowout is astronomical at around

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Speaker 3: you know, eight hundred and twenty million dollars, but also

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Speaker 3: that we're at the point of no return on this project.

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Speaker 3: We've sunk so much now we're contractually locked in. We've

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Speaker 3: got to move forward. Now. That all sounds pretty doom

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Speaker 3: We're going to have an asset that we have to

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Speaker 3: use to grow our economy, create jobs, and really bolster

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Speaker 3: the maritime sectors. So I'm going to Perth next week, Katie,

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Speaker 3: what we could possibly do to this, because we've got

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Speaker 3: to go just all in on this now and make

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Speaker 3: this thing worth it.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're right in where all the way to go

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Speaker 1: and look in saying that, I know, I've spoken to

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Speaker 1: local business operators who say, Katie, this is going to

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Speaker 1: to be a positive for the Northern Territory. But i mean,

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Speaker 1: like just first off, where is the construction at, Like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of I've seen it from the

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Speaker 3: sky whenever I've flown in Katie. So there's a lot

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Speaker 3: There's all of the contracts have been done, so that's

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Speaker 3: We know Defense will be interested. Now they generally play

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Speaker 3: hard to get on these types of it's just Katie,

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Speaker 3: but I think once it's built, we will see that investment.

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Speaker 3: But it's all of the other collateral around it and

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Speaker 3: servicing that different ships require. So it's lots of things.

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Speaker 3: It's electrical, it's plumbing, you know, it's the basics as

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Speaker 1: I want to tell you though, I always found it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, it's a big issue. Now. Do we want

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Speaker 3: All we can do now is make sure those costs

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Speaker 1: The report also recommended the Northern Territory government legislate an

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: One area where we are looking right now is critical

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Speaker 1: global rear earth demand. Now, from your perspective, what needs

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Speaker 3: It's a very exciting project and you know it's on

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Speaker 3: the global scale. There are global eyes looking at this

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Speaker 1: For you, as a Northern Territories Chief Minister, do you

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Speaker 2: All right, Chief, Let's pivot for a moment.

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Speaker 1: I know that a maternity forum was held over the

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Speaker 2: First off, did any of your minister's attempt Yes.

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Speaker 1: On the other side of things, on those discussions with

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Speaker 1: There are things at for some funding for maternity services.

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Speaker 3: early this morning, Katie. But ultimately what we know is

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Speaker 3: So there's a number of things on the table, but

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Speaker 3: We are the only private hospital for as far as

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Speaker 3: you can can to go o Katie. So this is

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Speaker 2: It's very different.

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Speaker 1: It's such a different scenario for us so as well,

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Speaker 2: And whether they want to live here.

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Speaker 1: We talk about liveability, we talk about growing the population.

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Speaker 1: We've got some good signs, but you've got to make

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Speaker 3: And this is why, you know, it is a bit

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Speaker 3: with growth, but it is and look at Defense. You

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Speaker 3: So we following this very closely, and I hope we've

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Speaker 1: All Right, just finally we know that here in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory we've been grappling with domestic violence for a

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Speaker 1: very long time. Now in New South Wales, survivors of

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Speaker 1: The app was developed with input from victim survivors to

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know whether you've read.

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Speaker 1: at this DV notify it's called, But is it something

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Speaker 3: It certainly is, Katie and so we're going to watch

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Speaker 3: We're really proud that in Alice Springs, for example, we've

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Speaker 3: one other dev related issue we've been pushing federally is

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Speaker 3: with that so far, but it's something we keep pushing

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Speaker 3: and there's lots of innovation in this space. But this

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Speaker 3: our eye on it, so you're keeping keeping it close.

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Speaker 1: Look if very quick one before I let you go

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Speaker 1: someone's message through. Can you explain why the government won't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm not across the all of the contractual details,

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Speaker 3: but essentially it's just the way the labor structured the deal.

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Speaker 3: So we're providing the infrastructure and then there's an operator.

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Speaker 3: But what that's exactly why we need to focus on

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Speaker 3: creating the industry. That is where if we can grow

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Speaker 3: those businesses, grow the tax revenue, the jobs people coming in,

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Speaker 3: then the territory will benefit and equally then territorians will benefit.

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Speaker 2: Chef andess. So sorry to do this to you. Another one.

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Speaker 1: Luke Gosling's just issued a statement saying that the Commonwealth

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Speaker 1: and Northern Territory health departments have been engaging on this issue.

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Speaker 1: This is on the maternity services and Federal Health Minister

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Speaker 1: Mark Butler has been crystal clear about what's needed to

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Speaker 1: progress funding discussions. He says the Northern Territory government new

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Speaker 1: private maternity services were closing more than fourteen months ago,

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Speaker 1: May and still hasn't provided the detailed costed proposal request

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Speaker 1: by the Commonwealth. He says the alban Ezy Labour government

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Speaker 1: the ball is firmly in their court.

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Speaker 2: He reckons.

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Speaker 1: He said, we need to see a clear, evidence based

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Speaker 1: plan that sets out the scope of works, costs and

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Speaker 1: how outcomes for territory mothers and families are going to

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Speaker 1: be improved, just as New South Wales and Tasmania promptly

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Speaker 1: did when faced with similar challenges over a year ago.

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Speaker 2: He reckons.

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Speaker 1: This financially year alone, the Commonwealth has increased its contribution

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Speaker 1: all understand that that's still not enough. We need more

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Speaker 1: funding here in the Northern Territory, but just on the

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Speaker 2: Side of things. I mean, what do you say to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what I say is Luke, spend less time worrying

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Speaker 3: this is a joke. Mark Butler got the letter in

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Speaker 3: May and you want to nitpick politics with me over

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Speaker 3: the radio. Mate. I think you've got better things to

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Speaker 3: do and people expect more of it. And at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, We've got to take a team

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Speaker 1: We really do need to have a team territory approach

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Speaker 1: on this situation with maternity services.

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Speaker 2: I mean, are you prepared to work with him on

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Speaker 2: this of.

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Speaker 3: Course, Katie, But he's a headline grabber, not a work doer,

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Speaker 3: so we'll have to see that. Priefs in the pudding

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Speaker 3: with him, mate, she's.

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Speaker 1: Going to studly IFINOI AO always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining me this morning.

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Speaker 3: Take everyone,