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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers. Now, I have

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Speaker 1: got so many facets to myself because of all of

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Speaker 1: with my children and my family that have elevated me

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Speaker 1: have had without them. And now here's the scars of

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Speaker 1: our show, My Mum and Dad.

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Speaker 2: You Kylie had an incident, a conversation a conversation is

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Speaker 2: a better word for it, with a friend recently that

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Speaker 2: about in our podcast today. Tell us about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, a few weeks ago. It was actually an online conversation,

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Speaker 1: so we weren't face to face, but one of my

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Speaker 1: friends and I were chatting. I have been, you know again,

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Speaker 1: just kind of revisiting this kind of concept of what

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Speaker 2: Right, because when you're in your forties, that's the time

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Speaker 1: Well, all of the kids are getting older now, and

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Speaker 1: I definitely have a little bit more time on my

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Speaker 1: While I've got lots of things that I kind of

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Speaker 1: being something I want to do for good. Okay, I've

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Speaker 1: been writing for Kylie's Corner for the last couple of

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Speaker 1: I just sent her a little message and I said, look,

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Speaker 1: finally she just said, she said, I'm so excited for

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Speaker 1: you that you're thinking about doing something new. She said,

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Speaker 1: and we realized, you know, before we had the kids,

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Speaker 1: We were really interesting. Right now we're kids, but now

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Speaker 2: You know what they need to do, have more kids,

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Speaker 2: nothing boring when you've got six kids.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think they're talking about life being boring.

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Speaker 1: You know, I remember back to there times when we

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was it was sleep, and it was eating,

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Speaker 1: And there wasn't a lot of me time. There wasn't

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Speaker 2: You're standing a little bit grandmotherly. I can imagine some

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Speaker 2: Yes, but Kylie, you're not the person because of the struggle.

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Speaker 1: It's very much about intention. And for me, when I

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Speaker 2: There's and nothing was boring about it, but it was

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Speaker 2: Literally I remember one year we did a homemade Christmas

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Speaker 2: I say that he's some really great psychology books, and

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to have that conversation. Thanks for the insights.

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Speaker 1: I am too. It was really good to reflect on

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Speaker 1: it and to see how much I've grown over the years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you have. The Happy Family's podcast is produced

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