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Speaker 1: The Will and Woody podcast that bite sized. That's Savage

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Speaker 1: Garden on Will and Woody this afternoon, and what are the.

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Speaker 2: Chances we've got?

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Speaker 1: Darren Hayes from Savage Gardener joins us right now. Oh,

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Speaker 1: gat to have you. I don't need to hide effect

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Speaker 1: on a message, Savage Garden fan, Message you fan. There's

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Speaker 1: an interview that I read earlier this week about the

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Speaker 1: idea that you were blamed for breaking up Savage Garden

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Speaker 1: because of your homosexuality.

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Speaker 2: Can you elaborate a bit more.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's not true?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, can you elaborate on that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No.

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Speaker 4: I think what that article was about was that when

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Speaker 4: the band split up. I think at the time the

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Speaker 4: general consensus was, oh, the egotistical lead singer left to

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Speaker 4: start a solo career, and that wasn't the truth.

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Speaker 3: It was Daniel's decision to leave, right.

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Speaker 4: I think that was heightened by the fact that he

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Speaker 4: held a press conference and said this is the first.

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Speaker 3: I've ever heard of it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, which didn't help.

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Speaker 3: But no, I think that's two different stories.

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Speaker 4: The struggle that I had with the major label as

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Speaker 4: a gay person was a real thing when I was

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Speaker 4: in a band. It was okay because I had my

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Speaker 4: opposite Daniel was you know, he was the hunk. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but when I was solo, the whispers at the label

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Speaker 4: were he looks obviously gay. Yeah, and that was something

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Speaker 4: that followed and haunted me for a long time.

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Speaker 5: So they would directly say to you, Darren, we want

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Speaker 5: you to hide your sexuality.

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Speaker 3: No, that's what was so insidious about it.

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Speaker 4: They would say it to the managers are the people

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Speaker 4: They would reshoot things, or they would.

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Speaker 3: Simply just not book me on TV shows.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know this story. The American

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Speaker 4: video for I Want You. When you look at it,

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Speaker 4: I'm in this kind of head brace. Yes, well, the

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Speaker 4: reason I'm in a head brace.

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Speaker 3: Was because they felt it was better if I didn't move.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, that is warmed so but that obviously

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Speaker 5: terrible when that came up. Though you didn't know that

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Speaker 5: was the reason at the time. You were just following direction.

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Speaker 5: But then you can look back on that time and

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Speaker 5: know that that was the reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: An ex manager told me this recently, which was heart heartbreaking.

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Speaker 5: The idea that they would have meetings, there were groups

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Speaker 5: of people having meetings. Is that how do we stop

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Speaker 5: Darren from dancing, And then what do we tell him

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Speaker 5: so he doesn't think we're stopping him from dancing because

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Speaker 5: he looks gay. The fact that that would have been

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Speaker 5: such a big part of your the band's pr oh,

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Speaker 5: it actually makes you feel dirty.

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Speaker 4: It got worse when I was a solo artist because

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Speaker 4: then they were over. They would do things like I

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Speaker 4: would choose the album cover and then they would tell

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Speaker 4: me we've put it through a focus group, and a

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Speaker 4: focus group says looks too feminine, but the president likes

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Speaker 4: this picture because you look more like Kurt Cobain.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to.

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Speaker 4: Sound negative about it, because the truth is, look, I survived, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I'm here and a lot of that stuff I

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Speaker 3: didn't know about.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask Darren?

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Speaker 1: I know this might seem like an outrageous question, but

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Speaker 1: you're this whole idea of stopping you from moving because

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Speaker 1: you looked gay when you dance?

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Speaker 3: Is it just because I was Elaine and Seinfeld? Were you.

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Speaker 2: Dancer?

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Speaker 1: When when when you think of yourself dancing, when you

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Speaker 1: look at yourself dancing with somebody like, is it quintessxually gay?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 4: I think I'm androgynous, and I think I always was.

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Speaker 4: I think my favorite idols were George Michael.

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Speaker 3: David Bowie, Michael Jackson. Right, I never really drew that line.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you've got a brand new record. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk more about it. Right up next, Darren Hayes later

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Speaker 1: single All You Pretty Things.

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Speaker 2: Have a listener to this is what it sounds like.

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Speaker 1: It's out on his newest album, Homosexual. If you want

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Speaker 1: to go and see Darren, tickets to Darren's tour do

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Speaker 1: you remember available? Darrenhayes dot com is touring all over Australia. Darren,

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Speaker 1: I'm very sad to say that we're actually not playing

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Speaker 1: All You Pretty Things on Kiss at the moment. But

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Speaker 1: I would love you right up next to prank our

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Speaker 1: music director and ask him why the hell that isn't

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Speaker 1: the case.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna It's going to shake him to his core.

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Speaker 1: Darren Hayes joins us right now. It's got a brand

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Speaker 1: new single called all You Pretty Things. This is it

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Speaker 1: queer dance floor anthem, Darren. I know it's dedicated to

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Speaker 1: those who lost their lives in the Pulse night club

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Speaker 1: tragedy back in twenty sixteen, and it feels like this

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Speaker 1: whole record is pumped full with anthems but also emotion,

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Speaker 1: and it's called Homosexual So people can get that wherever

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Speaker 1: they get their new records, and you can see Darren

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Speaker 1: Darrenhayes dot com. But the tragedy in this, Darren, is

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Speaker 1: that we're not playing any songs from Homosexual on kiss

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Speaker 1: at the moment. So what we're going to do right now?

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Speaker 1: And this is a big no no and it could

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Speaker 1: end badly, but no, no, you're fined. You're in la mate.

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Speaker 1: You to skip off to a mahido after this, all right?

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Speaker 1: So well, look what we're going to do is this

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Speaker 1: is our boss. We're going to get you to call

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Speaker 1: our boss ab as I don't know record rap.

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Speaker 3: I can do an impersonation of my record plugger.

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Speaker 2: Amazing. Who what's their name?

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Speaker 3: Russell?

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's what's the Can I hear the voice?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Good, mates, Russell's quite an old schools from the eighties.

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Speaker 3: Great, I'm just gopping so much crap from daring about

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Speaker 3: what not playing this record?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you would be good.

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Speaker 1: Knew it'd be good, all right, So if you could

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Speaker 1: call him as Russell and then when you hear him

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Speaker 1: squirm enough around why they're not playing it.

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Speaker 2: You can reveal that it's actually you.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's call We're calling now, Okay, here we go?

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Speaker 3: Oh god, hello, Hey, good Russell Thomas here matey you doing,

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Speaker 3: Russell Thomas?

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Speaker 2: I'm well, thanks, Russell Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 4: I'm just calling you about Darren Hayes record.

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Speaker 3: I just got to get straight to the point, mate.

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Speaker 3: This is a fourth single from this record.

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Speaker 4: Is an Australian legend and I'm just, uh, it's embarrassment

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Speaker 4: for me, mate, album's out, not a single song from

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Speaker 4: the record being played on Kiss.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to tell the guy.

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Speaker 4: I've got the UK Independence given the record a five

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Speaker 4: star review. It's embarrassing, isn't it. You know he's the

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Speaker 4: voice of us. I mean, you know he's not John Farnham.

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Speaker 4: He's obviously the voice. Darren's the other voice. But what

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Speaker 4: do I tell Darren? You know his tour next year

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Speaker 4: now are play on any network? Then we've got the

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Speaker 4: gay situation that's going to come off as homophobic?

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Speaker 3: What what's going on? Hang on?

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Speaker 4: Hang on?

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Speaker 3: Rustling? First of all, handed you get my number?

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I've been in the business a long time mate. I'm

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Speaker 3: a weasily squeezily.

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Speaker 4: I can get in there right up there finding out

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Speaker 4: why and how.

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Speaker 3: You and who? Okay on the spot right now, you're

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Speaker 3: not playing, Darren Hates. What's going on? I haven't on

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Speaker 3: the record, have.

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Speaker 1: I heard the Thought Chance songs? Brianie Branie It's Will

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Speaker 1: and Woody, It's Will and Woody. This is this is

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Speaker 1: actually Darren Hayes.

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Speaker 4: Hello Darren, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 2: Now you're done with that, why not check out more

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Speaker 2: from Will and Woody on the Full Show podcast.