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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three's TV villain Sam here to talk about
Speaker 1: his time on The Traders season two, which had its
Speaker 1: dramatic season finale this week on Network ten. Not since
Speaker 1: The Honey Badger have we been left so empty handed
Speaker 1: in a television series finale by the time Roger Korser
Speaker 1: explained what could happen in that Three Trader final showdown.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we all saw what happened coming. However,
Speaker 1: I think if anyone is talking about where it all
Speaker 1: went wrong or who was to blame, I think it
Speaker 1: might be left with today's guest. Sam played a brilliant game.
Speaker 1: I think he did polarize his audience and his fellow players,
Speaker 1: but it did make for some pretty entertaining viewing. And
Speaker 1: you have to hand it to him, he did get
Speaker 1: away with murder. Literally. Sam in his own time, is
Speaker 1: a sales marketing whiz and attractive guy on Instagram. Please
Speaker 1: go check that out. Who had turned his small time
Speaker 1: country boy lifestyle into this very determined and ambitious lifestyle.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to learn a little bit more
Speaker 1: about Sheriff Sam today, and I will grill him on
Speaker 1: some of the twists and turns that he managed to manipulate.
Speaker 1: I will ask Sam why he chose the Traders and
Speaker 1: find out which dating shows he had turned out over
Speaker 1: the years, which includes Love Island Australia. We will unpack
Speaker 1: the finale and find out why he thought Camille needed
Speaker 1: to leave Blake and himself the money, which may have
Speaker 1: you asking why did he not leave the money for
Speaker 1: Blake and Meal. Sam will talk about his TV villain
Speaker 1: status and if this will have any effect on his
Speaker 1: life or if it'll affect any further job prospects. Plus,
Speaker 1: we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of The Traders season two, which finished last Sunday night,
Speaker 1: but you can catch up on and I do suggest
Speaker 1: you do contenplay anyway, guys, let's bring Sheriff Sam into
Speaker 1: the podcast and I really hope you enjoy this very
Speaker 1: insightful and interesting look at The Traders season two.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm going to set you up here.
Speaker 1: I'll get straight into this because I've only got you
Speaker 1: for a limited time. But i just want to say
Speaker 1: thank you for doing this chat.
Speaker 2: All good, happy to be here.
Speaker 1: So what an amazing season? How are you feeling after
Speaker 1: watching that explosive finale?
Speaker 2: Back look, this whole season has been incredible, so much fun.
Speaker 2: I was able to play a character that was an
Speaker 2: absolute super villain that I expected to only last three
Speaker 2: or four episodes because I wanted to make big moves.
Speaker 2: I wanted to make it as interesting as possible for
Speaker 2: the viewers to watched the show. That was my main
Speaker 2: thing was to make good TV. Either you're going to
Speaker 2: love me or hate me, but you were going to watch.
Speaker 2: So that was my main thing. I wanted to achieve
Speaker 2: and I just kept going further and further, and then
Speaker 2: the end result was massive, Like it was huge, but
Speaker 2: at the same time, I felt like I won because
Speaker 2: I had so much fun the whole episode.
Speaker 1: Well, you can look at it as like a three
Speaker 1: way tie, I guess, just with no money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was the last Trader standing. I
Speaker 2: actually was. The other two walked away and I was
Speaker 2: still standing there with all the silver.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, did the producers know who
Speaker 1: you'd written down?
Speaker 2: I don't think they. I don't think they knew. Let
Speaker 2: at last they could see it out of my shoulder.
Speaker 2: But no, yeah, everyone was shot. No one knew.
Speaker 1: Did you hear that rumor that this finale of the
Speaker 1: second series for the Australian Traders that the producers sort
Speaker 1: have had to look through the rule book or contact
Speaker 1: the original creators to ask what to do in this situation?
Speaker 1: Do you heard that?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't hear anything of that. I was short,
Speaker 2: but I knew the rules I knew that if three
Speaker 2: traders were at the end and that no one got
Speaker 2: the money. That was explained to me. I understood that, partner.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just really curious as to why you would
Speaker 1: wanted to have had three traders left in that finale
Speaker 1: vote or the final vote, because you were pretty proud
Speaker 1: of the fact that you got those three there. But
Speaker 1: the red flags for me, the warning bells were going off.
Speaker 1: I was like, Sam, I don't think you know what
Speaker 1: you're doing.
Speaker 2: The thing was the reason we took a million, because
Speaker 2: she played with such honesty in the game. She didn't
Speaker 2: she always kept saying she didn't need the money. She
Speaker 2: said she'd come from a wealthy family. Her partner made
Speaker 2: lots of money, she's got a house, she got a kid.
Speaker 2: She doesn't she isn't here to have fun and play
Speaker 2: an honest game. And I was like, well, that's the
Speaker 2: perfect trader to have right there, because they're not here
Speaker 2: for the money and they will write share And Blake's like,
Speaker 2: to me, we need to get rid of her, and
Speaker 2: I was like, look, we don't really need to get
Speaker 2: rid of her. She's going to play an honest game.
Speaker 2: She doesn't want the money. All is good. Let's this
Speaker 2: all three go to the end. It's going to be
Speaker 2: cool with the first three as well, to ever go
Speaker 2: to the end.
Speaker 1: And no, she wrote steel, how did you honestly think
Speaker 1: that vote was going to go? Like you know with
Speaker 1: you writing Steer, I was there any possibilities that you know,
Speaker 1: Blake wouldn't have and you would have ended up with
Speaker 1: all the money?
Speaker 2: Like me and Blake had like small chat that we
Speaker 2: would we would steal it, so we both kind of
Speaker 2: were understood where we would play. And we're looking at
Speaker 2: each other at the grand finale and I knew he
Speaker 2: was going to steal it. He knew I was going
Speaker 2: to steal it, so we're like, yeah, look, we've done
Speaker 2: all the work, we might as well, you know, get paid.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that didn't happen, but he was pretty heartbroken
Speaker 2: and they didn't show it. But I actually went up
Speaker 2: to him and I was hugging him and I was
Speaker 2: like trying to make sure he was okay, because I
Speaker 2: know he really need that money for other reasons with
Speaker 2: his family, and like I really wanted that money stycle
Speaker 2: buy my first house. I never went on the show
Speaker 2: for the money. I went on there just to make
Speaker 2: good TV.
Speaker 1: But I guess you know, how did it get to
Speaker 1: the point where Camille would rather tank the whole thing
Speaker 1: than see you get anything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's That's what's strange Because if I was
Speaker 2: in her position, if I was fifty years old, had
Speaker 2: my family, had all my finance set up, and I
Speaker 2: seen two young kids who played it amazing game, got
Speaker 2: all the way to the end and really deserved the money,
Speaker 2: I would have just been like, you know what, you two,
Speaker 2: this one's going to change your lives. Like she knew
Speaker 2: that I needed for my first house, she knew that
Speaker 2: Blake needed for his Stanley reasons, and she would if
Speaker 2: she said, like wrote, I'm going to share it with
Speaker 2: you guys because you deserve it, and this is going
Speaker 2: to change your lives, and I know you're going to
Speaker 2: steal it, but here enjoy it. She would go down
Speaker 2: as one of the greatest game players ever because she
Speaker 2: was actually a good person.
Speaker 1: Well, she looked really uncomfortable when she was providing you
Speaker 1: with her rationale, like I don't think it was a
Speaker 1: fair or sorry, I don't think it was an easy
Speaker 1: choice for her to make, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think part of her actually wanted to
Speaker 2: share it and us to enjoy it, So I think
Speaker 2: she was. It was probably a last minute decision for
Speaker 2: her to steal it, and it would have looked really
Speaker 2: bad if me and Blake both wrote Share and she
Speaker 2: wrote Steele. That's what I was also worried about. I
Speaker 2: was like, if she writes Steel and takes it all
Speaker 2: and she's nothing in the game, I'm going to look
Speaker 2: like an idiot. So either way, I had to play
Speaker 2: exactly how I wanted to play in this game, and
Speaker 2: I did exactly what I wanted. Every person who would
Speaker 2: attack me in the game, I would banish them. I
Speaker 2: would then murder them, so I won.
Speaker 1: It's so brittal, but you know, we as an audience
Speaker 1: have been watching this all the way up into that moment,
Speaker 1: and you know, it seemed like you left standing there
Speaker 1: while the other two left devastated. What happened when the
Speaker 1: camera lights went down? Were you able to talk amongst
Speaker 1: the three of you or if you've never spoken ever again,
Speaker 1: I'd love to know some behind the scenes on that.
Speaker 2: I've talken with Blake. Yeah, I've talken a lot with Blake.
Speaker 2: I talked with him after the show's finished. We've met
Speaker 2: up and we've gone over everything. Me and him are sweet.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good with nearly all the contestants. They all
Speaker 2: have realized how well I played the game, like we
Speaker 2: didn't see any of this coming, So that part's been good.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. From episode one, you've
Speaker 1: been Reality TV gold. I'm loving the fact that you
Speaker 1: were leaning into some villainry there.
Speaker 2: And I'm a trader and the rules of being a
Speaker 2: trader is you got to lie, you got to manipulate,
Speaker 2: you backstab, You've got to cause problems, and you've got
Speaker 2: to make everyone not know what's happening in this game.
Speaker 2: And I understood that to a t. And when I
Speaker 2: tried out for this game and the producers are trying
Speaker 2: to figuret who's the trader, Who's a faithful, I was
Speaker 2: never going to be a faithful because I was here
Speaker 2: to play the traders and it's about the trader. And
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I did. I played a trader to
Speaker 2: a level that has never been played before. Everyone plays
Speaker 2: a smart calm game where I was like, I wanted
Speaker 2: to get rid of a trader on episode two and
Speaker 2: I almost did it. I was very close and everyone
Speaker 2: you know, you can see the fear in people's eyes
Speaker 2: when I'm trying to do these moves and I'm doing
Speaker 2: these interviews and the people they're not saying anything, but
Speaker 2: they're like, is this guy like crazy? Like he's wow.
Speaker 1: I'm just shocked that you haven't been on any other
Speaker 1: reality TV up until this point. I mean, I did
Speaker 1: hear a rumor that you'd been asked to do Love
Speaker 1: Island and maybe the Bachelor. Maybe it was just Love Island.
Speaker 2: I've had Love Island contact me twice. But I'm waiting
Speaker 2: for the call of to be the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I think after being an ass on this show,
Speaker 1: that you're going to be made the Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I would be the most interesting person as
Speaker 2: the Bachelor. But also Survivor. I'm a huge Survivor fan.
Speaker 2: I've wanted to play Survivor the last five years. So
Speaker 2: that is Survivor and Bachelor is where you're gonna You're
Speaker 2: gonna see me. I'm going I'm going to do that.
Speaker 2: We just wait for the call up and I'll see
Speaker 2: which one.
Speaker 1: Comes first, and you will say yes. Well, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that they do a Villains versus Heroes or something like that.
Speaker 1: With Survivor because I feel like I'd audition for that
Speaker 1: show just to go up against you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you can come up against me, and you
Speaker 2: know I could play I can play both. You know,
Speaker 2: I got cast as a villain, but it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: I'm a villain. I can also be a very nice person.
Speaker 1: So what's the real Okay, then you've got to tell
Speaker 1: me this. So then being Sam the real person, what's
Speaker 1: the difference between that and the person we've seen on
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: The real person is from the country. I grew up
Speaker 2: in a small country town and ride horses. I do farming,
Speaker 2: and I'm just a normal, quiet person. But I love acting.
Speaker 2: I love making just content. I love making videos. If
Speaker 2: you go through my Instagram, you'll see I make videos
Speaker 2: of just making fun of myself for a situation. I
Speaker 2: don't take anything serious. So when I have something that
Speaker 2: I need to do, I will just mold my character
Speaker 2: to that and I'll have so much fun. So for
Speaker 2: the weeks that were filming The Traders, I was the sheriff,
Speaker 2: and I had so much fun because I could just
Speaker 2: be naughty, silly, loud, and you know, I would go
Speaker 2: do these outrageous things and then go back to my
Speaker 2: room and piss myself laughing on what I just did,
Speaker 2: and I'm just thinking, on, did you actually just do that?
Speaker 2: And then I was just like, this is so much fun.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for tomorrow to do something fun again.
Speaker 2: And then people like think, oh, he's such an evil person.
Speaker 2: I've raised over sixty five thousand dollars for charity from myself.
Speaker 2: I've done so much work through the Bush Buyers in Australia.
Speaker 2: I spent forty four days fighting for as a volunteer,
Speaker 2: saving houses, saving animals, saving people, ambassador for stand By
Speaker 2: You Foundation, they protect domestic violence. There's so much things
Speaker 2: that I do good that people don't really know about me,
Speaker 2: and I think I'm this villain.
Speaker 1: Do you think being this TV villain will affect the
Speaker 1: way that people see you in the future? I mean,
Speaker 1: do you think it would change you being able to
Speaker 1: work with these ambassadorships? I mean, was that a concern
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 2: No, No at all, because anyone who understands the game
Speaker 2: understands I'm playing a character, and anyone who knows me
Speaker 2: knows what I'm like. I do marketing, I work with
Speaker 2: some of the most powerful people in the world and
Speaker 2: the most powerful businesses. I've worked with Kevin Hart, just
Speaker 2: trained Jake Paul. I do marketing at the most famous
Speaker 2: hotel in the world. I work with top celebrities and
Speaker 2: my job is to work with anyone and that's what
Speaker 2: I do so well. So I was able to do
Speaker 2: this for the last six years. And that's why I'm able
Speaker 2: to go into a show like this with nineteen different
Speaker 2: personnal nineteen different cultures, nineteen different beliefs and be friends
Speaker 2: with each and every single one of these people. And
Speaker 2: I'm still friends with them all, and that's why I
Speaker 2: was able to control the game. That's why I was
Speaker 2: able to get them to do things for me and
Speaker 2: to believe what I was saying because they were actually
Speaker 2: my friends. Just because I would lie at the end.
Speaker 2: That's part of the game. But I'm friends with all
Speaker 2: these people. They've all invited me to come to their
Speaker 2: place and stay with them and watch the show with
Speaker 2: their families, so it's not going to affect me at all.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I love that I'm cast as a
Speaker 2: villain because there's so many people who are going to
Speaker 2: want to watch what I do next, and that's good.
Speaker 1: It was interesting that you were saying about Ash Pollard
Speaker 1: and that you wanted to banish her. In the second episode,
Speaker 1: there seemed to be some real tension that we could
Speaker 1: see as an audience. Was there anything that she had
Speaker 1: done personally that we didn't get to see on camera
Speaker 1: or did you just she'd rub you the wrong way?
Speaker 1: What happened there?
Speaker 2: She just wasn't friendly and she was rude to me
Speaker 2: at the start. And when she rubbed me the wrong
Speaker 2: way like that, I was like, I always wanted to
Speaker 2: get rid of a trader early. That was my game plan.
Speaker 2: And I met Blake and I was like, lovely dude,
Speaker 2: heard about his family, heard about his outside life, heard
Speaker 2: the reasons why I wanted to be on the show,
Speaker 2: why he needed the money, And then I talked with
Speaker 2: Ash and Ash was just like, Oh, I just want
Speaker 2: to put some marble on my kitchen and I go
Speaker 2: to buy a new BMW. I was like, I know
Speaker 2: which person needs the money, and I know which person
Speaker 2: I'm going to take out. And I did that, and look,
Speaker 2: I'm sure Ash is an amazing person. She's got a
Speaker 2: family and everything, so there's no hard feelings. But at
Speaker 2: that position of the game, I needed to make a
Speaker 2: decision on the two, and I made the right decision.
Speaker 1: Who would you say the players that you felt the
Speaker 1: most excited about banishing or murdering.
Speaker 2: The most exciting? The one that scared me the most
Speaker 2: was when I murdered Luke. I love Luke. Luke is
Speaker 2: a fantastic game player. He's a fantastic family man. I
Speaker 2: see how well he takes care of his kids. I
Speaker 2: actually look up to the guy, and I've seen what
Speaker 2: he's done in Survivor and it's massive and it's inspired
Speaker 2: me so much, especially in this game. So when I
Speaker 2: was going to get rid of him, I didn't want
Speaker 2: to get rid of him, but I had to get
Speaker 2: rid of him because he knew I was a trader,
Speaker 2: and if I kept Luke in the game any longer,
Speaker 2: I could be done. So when I got rid of him,
Speaker 2: I was so nervous because then everyone else. He told
Speaker 2: everyone else that was a trader, and if he got
Speaker 2: murdered that I'm done, everyone's going to know on the trade.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh my god, what am I going
Speaker 2: to do to try and figure this out? So getting
Speaker 2: rid of Luke that was the scariest. The rest of
Speaker 2: them was fine. I didn't even bother, Like I kept
Speaker 2: all my friends in the game, like Gloria, annabel Luke,
Speaker 2: Keith Liam. They were all like my friends, like really
Speaker 2: good friends, like I would be friends with them for life.
Speaker 2: Simon was amazing, Paul, you know, the whole cast was cool.
Speaker 2: You know, I rowe like everyone, Hannah. They're all really
Speaker 2: good people.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I felt bad. I did feel bad, actually yeah, but
Speaker 2: they were all amazing people.
Speaker 1: I just felt like you should have been recruiting Annabelle
Speaker 1: or Luke a little bit earlier. Like I kind of
Speaker 1: felt like the producers even wanted that to happen. I
Speaker 1: don't know whether I was having too many wines while
Speaker 1: I watched the show, but I was like, kept thinking,
Speaker 1: they clearly want them, these traders to recruit another person,
Speaker 1: and I feel like they clearly cast Annabelle and Luke
Speaker 1: to be faithful to start with, but to be I
Speaker 1: think the traders would be wanting to make them, you know,
Speaker 1: to recruit them. And then you guys kind of didn't
Speaker 1: do what that plan was.
Speaker 2: No, whatever the whatever a normal person would do, I'll
Speaker 2: do the opposite a normal person would. You got rid
Speaker 2: of a trader, you need another trader for numbers. I
Speaker 2: was thinking that I could just get rid of Blake
Speaker 2: as well, and I'd just be the only trader. That's
Speaker 2: what I wanted. You know, I don't think you can
Speaker 2: do that, because you can't, but I didn't want another
Speaker 2: trader needed in Blake. We had so much confidence in
Speaker 2: our game plan because you had two people. We had Blake,
Speaker 2: who was just fitting in quite calm, and then you
Speaker 2: had Me, who was very loud, friendly with everyone, and
Speaker 2: we could protect each other because we weren't. We're not
Speaker 2: the same person, so we're like Ying and Yang. So
Speaker 2: that worked so well in the show that we're like,
Speaker 2: we don't need anyone. And we only brought Famelion at
Speaker 2: the end because she knew I was a trader, where
Speaker 2: I could have just murdered her like I did with
Speaker 2: everyone else, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: Well, you were playing to the strength of you thinking
Speaker 1: that she was going to be able to let the
Speaker 1: money go, and then it turned out that she didn't.
Speaker 1: Do you think that she didn't do that because she
Speaker 1: didn't like you as a person, or like, do you
Speaker 1: think it was more personal?
Speaker 2: We were really good friends. We actually worked together the
Speaker 2: whole season on all the votes. Every vote, she would
Speaker 2: come to me and ask me what I wanted to do,
Speaker 2: and she'd do it. She actually was one of my
Speaker 2: closest friends in the game. So it would have been Luke, Annabel,
Speaker 2: and then Camille and Gloria. So I was closest with Camille. Why.
Speaker 2: That's why I was a little bit shocked as well,
Speaker 2: because it was just like unexpected, like she made out
Speaker 2: at the end, like in all things that how she
Speaker 2: said everything. But we were really good friends in the show.
Speaker 1: You know, there was that moment at the end where
Speaker 1: you were sort of saying to Camille, why didn't you
Speaker 1: let us have the money? But as much as that
Speaker 1: you have a real friendship, you have an existing friendship
Speaker 1: with Blake. You knew how much he needed the money.
Speaker 1: Isn't there a possibility that you yourself could have let him
Speaker 1: have that money by allowing that vote to play out differently?
Speaker 1: Wasn't that your choice as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, if I knew Camille was going to take it,
Speaker 2: I probably would have wrote a chair. As much as
Speaker 2: everyone's like bullshit, you wouldn't. I would rather Blake get
Speaker 2: his half and me get nothing, then none of us
Speaker 2: get anything too, Like I promise you that. Like, I know,
Speaker 2: he needed that money, and it makes me to think,
Speaker 2: should have you done it? You know I could. I
Speaker 2: could have ended the game as the hero. You know,
Speaker 2: I've been the villain the whole time, and I could
Speaker 2: have ended it shocked everyone that Sam shared it.
Speaker 1: Why didn't you do that? I think you would have
Speaker 1: been more celebrated, and you would your career would be
Speaker 1: bigger had you take us on an evil path only
Speaker 1: to redeem yourself at the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, the villain is still there, so the people
Speaker 2: still want to see me for The people are still
Speaker 2: going to watch whatever I do next. And if they
Speaker 2: want to know who I really am, all they have
Speaker 2: to do is go to my Instagram and they'll figure
Speaker 2: out what I do with my life, how I treat people.
Speaker 2: And you can't be a bad person and do the
Speaker 2: job I do.
Speaker 1: Do you think now that the show could really do
Speaker 1: with a finale jury? You just mentioned before that you'd
Speaker 1: love to do Survivor and you've watched that show because
Speaker 1: you loved Luke on there. Do you think that the
Speaker 1: way that The Traders comes to the end is the
Speaker 1: right way, because I mean, the audience wants to see
Speaker 1: someone get the money, I think, And then I feel
Speaker 1: like when you've got a jury, you can't really shit
Speaker 1: on everyone. You kind of have to make sure that
Speaker 1: they will respect your gameplay enough to let you win.
Speaker 1: They will have to want you to win. Do you
Speaker 1: think that is something that should change in this game?
Speaker 2: I like the jury because I've probably had about eighty
Speaker 2: percent of the cast or tell me that I deserve
Speaker 2: the money, and then the other fifty have said me
Speaker 2: and blake, but at least eighty percent or asked tell
Speaker 2: me I deserve money. So look, yeah, I wouldn't much
Speaker 2: rather if we could have given the money to charity
Speaker 2: or something that would have been awesome for me.
Speaker 1: Do you work out how you were going to spend
Speaker 1: the money? Like had you thought? I mean, so you'll
Speaker 1: be like, I'm putting it east into our I mean
Speaker 1: if you use it.
Speaker 2: For some savings and then pursue my acting career as
Speaker 2: where I'm going to go with. So you need if
Speaker 2: you're not working, you need some savings. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: still going to pursue acting no matter what.
Speaker 1: What what's ot of acting? Do you are you into it?
Speaker 1: Are we going to see you in neighbors or home?
Speaker 1: And Away, or are you wanting to be in a
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan movie? Like what is what's the ambition there?
Speaker 2: All of them are neighbors, Home and Away. I feel
Speaker 2: like I could fit perfectly in there. I've done a
Speaker 2: massive transformation in the gym. I was really skinny. I
Speaker 2: was seventy nine kilos at the start of the year.
Speaker 2: Now I'm ninety two kilos. So I've spent the last
Speaker 2: nine months in the gym changing my body how I looked.
Speaker 2: I want to get really fit, and then i want
Speaker 2: to work on my acting careers, so I'm up for anything.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be looking for an agent to help
Speaker 2: me figure out what I'm going to do with my career.
Speaker 2: So there's any good agents out there that want to
Speaker 2: learn a tic of a kid who wants to have
Speaker 2: some fun.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're a good actor. I mean we
Speaker 1: learned that from watching the show. I think that if
Speaker 1: you were watching TV to find people who can take
Speaker 1: on a role and play a role, well, I mean
Speaker 1: I've had a conversation with a few friends today who
Speaker 1: loved The Traders and watched it and they were like,
Speaker 1: really dark on you, And I was like, but he
Speaker 1: played the villain rey role so well, like, well, I
Speaker 1: think it needs to be celebrated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I'm getting celebrated. There's it's probably a forty
Speaker 2: percent celebration sixty percent like he's evil, he's bad. But
Speaker 2: it goes back to like people like the game, Like,
Speaker 2: how else would you want me to play this game?
Speaker 2: If I don't be a villain. You're not gonna watch
Speaker 2: it because it would be boring. You guys are watching
Speaker 2: this because you want me kicked off the show.
Speaker 3: You want me banished so badly because he said something
Speaker 3: really cocky over there and he shooting his guns wa
Speaker 3: a wanker, And do you know I realize I'm doing
Speaker 3: this because it's fun, it's entertaining, and you guys are
Speaker 3: gonna watch it because you want to see me fall.
Speaker 1: Well, I think these days we kind of enjoy the villain.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's just me. I should stop saying
Speaker 1: for people. I think it's me. I think in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, I love a good villain, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like that's it. And I look actually back at the
Speaker 1: history of time and was my favorite characters like Hannibal Lecter,
Speaker 1: Darth Vader, like all of these bad villains, the bad,
Speaker 1: the worser campy they were, the better it was, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can play a villain so well as you
Speaker 2: can see. So what would be perfect if to cast
Speaker 2: me as a villain in a TV show or a
Speaker 2: movie and you've seen nothing yet, Like, I will play
Speaker 2: the best joker you know you have ever seen.
Speaker 1: I just love the ambition. I think the ambition is
Speaker 1: there for you because you know you are a boy
Speaker 1: from the country. I'm crossing to you in Mikinos. I
Speaker 1: think I've followed your Instagram follow you back. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been watching from Afar and in a well done on
Speaker 1: the body transformation, I think I'll say that on behalf
Speaker 1: of most of your subscribers. But yeah, I just think
Speaker 1: that you're a very ambitious man and I really look
Speaker 1: forward to seeing what you do with all of this,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I can see the nice person behind
Speaker 1: it all. But I think there's still going to be
Speaker 1: some people are going to need to see a different
Speaker 1: sign to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, thank you so much. That
Speaker 2: means a lot to me. I guess more shows they'll
Speaker 2: see see me depending on how I'm going to want
Speaker 2: to be cast. Is another way of how they're going
Speaker 2: to pursue me. So look, if I get cast as
Speaker 2: a movie as a villain, I'm going to be a
Speaker 2: villain for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: What about though, you know the people that were on
Speaker 1: this show, were there any people that maybe took this
Speaker 1: reality TV too seriously with because I mean, for you, you're
Speaker 1: kind of doing it very tongue in cheek. Do you
Speaker 1: think any of the other people in the cast maybe
Speaker 1: we're playing it too seriously and have walked away feeling
Speaker 1: a bit disappointed?
Speaker 2: A few have, I'm not going to say any names,
Speaker 2: but a few of them have taken it a little
Speaker 2: bit heart just like how they played the game. You know,
Speaker 2: if they get a little bit of online bullying, they
Speaker 2: struggle with it. No one's copying more bullying and heat
Speaker 2: than me. And I'm okay because I created it and
Speaker 2: I'm fine with it. But a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: understand when you do these reality TVs, there's consequences that
Speaker 2: comes with it, and you have to be able to
Speaker 2: accept that either how you're persuade on the TV, how
Speaker 2: people are going to think of you in public, all
Speaker 2: these things. But look anywhere I've gone in Australia and
Speaker 2: someone's recognized me and asked for a photo. They've been
Speaker 2: so nice to me. So I've not had one bad thing,
Speaker 2: even if someone probably doesn't even like me, it's been amazing.
Speaker 2: Like I was in Zamberro's and this little girl looked
Speaker 2: up at me and goes trade up and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that was my first interacting with someone and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you know who I am and we've
Speaker 2: got a photo.
Speaker 1: Well, before you go the last question, I want to
Speaker 1: ask you something to ask everyone who joins the podcast.
Speaker 1: What is something from behind the scenes, something that we
Speaker 1: didn't get to see, kind of like a behind the
Speaker 1: scenes secret from your time making The Trader season two.
Speaker 2: I have the biggest secret, and it is at the hotel.
Speaker 2: They're watermelon eight, better than any other watermelon on this planet.
Speaker 2: So go to the Robinson Hotel and try the watermelon.
Speaker 2: I couldn't eat enough of it. That was the best
Speaker 2: thing wapping up every morning walking down there. I would
Speaker 2: eat all my watermelon and then I'd see who watermelon?
Speaker 1: Well, Sam, I just want to say thank you for
Speaker 1: that watermelon secret. Harry Styles will at least go there,
Speaker 1: doesn't he have a song called Watermelon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you didn't mention that you wanted to be
Speaker 2: a singer.
Speaker 1: You could have thrown that in there as well. The
Speaker 1: enactor okay, okay, Well Sam, I think you did a
Speaker 1: very good job on the show. You made it extraordinarily entertaining,
Speaker 1: and I was very much impressed with your gameplay, and
Speaker 1: I think you did a fantastic job and you should
Speaker 1: be very proud.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you for having me, and yeah, awesome,
Speaker 2: it was so much fun.