WEBVTT - Sam McGlone - THE TRAITORS - Reality TV Personality 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.920 TV Reload, the podcast past week. They welcome back guys 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:06.960 to TV Reload. As you may know, my name is 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.319 Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast to get all 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:11.840 the insight goss all the popular TV shows you may 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.200 be watching from around the world. 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On today's podcast, I have 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.080 twenty twenty three's TV villain Sam here to talk about 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.680 his time on The Traders season two, which had its 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.800 dramatic season finale this week on Network ten. Not since 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.600 The Honey Badger have we been left so empty handed 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.640 in a television series finale by the time Roger Korser 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.000 explained what could happen in that Three Trader final showdown. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.640 I'm pretty sure we all saw what happened coming. However, 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:06.920 I think if anyone is talking about where it all 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.520 went wrong or who was to blame, I think it 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.840 might be left with today's guest. Sam played a brilliant game. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.000 I think he did polarize his audience and his fellow players, 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.600 but it did make for some pretty entertaining viewing. And 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.680 you have to hand it to him, he did get 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.960 away with murder. Literally. Sam in his own time, is 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.880 a sales marketing whiz and attractive guy on Instagram. Please 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.320 go check that out. Who had turned his small time 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:35.400 country boy lifestyle into this very determined and ambitious lifestyle. 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:37.679 I think we're going to learn a little bit more 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.480 about Sheriff Sam today, and I will grill him on 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.080 some of the twists and turns that he managed to manipulate. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:45.880 I will ask Sam why he chose the Traders and 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.320 find out which dating shows he had turned out over 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.920 the years, which includes Love Island Australia. We will unpack 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.400 the finale and find out why he thought Camille needed 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.040 to leave Blake and himself the money, which may have 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.440 you asking why did he not leave the money for 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.320 Blake and Meal. Sam will talk about his TV villain 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.720 status and if this will have any effect on his 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.000 life or if it'll affect any further job prospects. Plus, 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.440 we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.359 of The Traders season two, which finished last Sunday night, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.560 but you can catch up on and I do suggest 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:22.080 you do contenplay anyway, guys, let's bring Sheriff Sam into 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.480 the podcast and I really hope you enjoy this very 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.680 insightful and interesting look at The Traders season two. 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:29.760 Look, I'm going to set you up here. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.680 I'll get straight into this because I've only got you 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.600 for a limited time. But i just want to say 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:34.639 thank you for doing this chat. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.000 All good, happy to be here. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.680 So what an amazing season? How are you feeling after 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.799 watching that explosive finale? 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:46.800 Back look, this whole season has been incredible, so much fun. 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.440 I was able to play a character that was an 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:53.560 absolute super villain that I expected to only last three 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.280 or four episodes because I wanted to make big moves. 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.080 I wanted to make it as interesting as possible for 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.320 the viewers to watched the show. That was my main 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.519 thing was to make good TV. Either you're going to 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.280 love me or hate me, but you were going to watch. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.960 So that was my main thing. I wanted to achieve 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.320 and I just kept going further and further, and then 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.959 the end result was massive, Like it was huge, but 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.440 at the same time, I felt like I won because 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.720 I had so much fun the whole episode. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:22.160 Well, you can look at it as like a three 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.880 way tie, I guess, just with no money. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.120 Yeah, I was. I was the last Trader standing. I 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.440 actually was. The other two walked away and I was 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:31.800 still standing there with all the silver. 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.399 I wanted to ask you, did the producers know who 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:35.280 you'd written down? 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:37.360 I don't think they. I don't think they knew. Let 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:38.800 at last they could see it out of my shoulder. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.920 But no, yeah, everyone was shot. No one knew. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.640 Did you hear that rumor that this finale of the 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.600 second series for the Australian Traders that the producers sort 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.640 have had to look through the rule book or contact 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.400 the original creators to ask what to do in this situation? 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:53.080 Do you heard that? 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.080 No? I didn't hear anything of that. I was short, 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.920 but I knew the rules I knew that if three 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.600 traders were at the end and that no one got 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.400 the money. That was explained to me. I understood that, partner. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.720 Okay, I'm just really curious as to why you would 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.200 wanted to have had three traders left in that finale 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.320 vote or the final vote, because you were pretty proud 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.280 of the fact that you got those three there. But 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.000 the red flags for me, the warning bells were going off. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.560 I was like, Sam, I don't think you know what 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:20.080 you're doing. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.320 The thing was the reason we took a million, because 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.960 she played with such honesty in the game. She didn't 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.400 she always kept saying she didn't need the money. She 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.640 said she'd come from a wealthy family. Her partner made 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.600 lots of money, she's got a house, she got a kid. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.440 She doesn't she isn't here to have fun and play 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.279 an honest game. And I was like, well, that's the 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.960 perfect trader to have right there, because they're not here 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.880 for the money and they will write share And Blake's like, 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:44.839 to me, we need to get rid of her, and 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.280 I was like, look, we don't really need to get 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:47.960 rid of her. She's going to play an honest game. 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.040 She doesn't want the money. All is good. Let's this 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:51.400 all three go to the end. It's going to be 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.240 cool with the first three as well, to ever go 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:53.760 to the end. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.640 And no, she wrote steel, how did you honestly think 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.200 that vote was going to go? Like you know with 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.120 you writing Steer, I was there any possibilities that you know, 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:03.960 Blake wouldn't have and you would have ended up with 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:04.520 all the money? 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.280 Like me and Blake had like small chat that we 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.680 would we would steal it, so we both kind of 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.080 were understood where we would play. And we're looking at 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.479 each other at the grand finale and I knew he 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:15.840 was going to steal it. He knew I was going 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.120 to steal it, so we're like, yeah, look, we've done 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.279 all the work, we might as well, you know, get paid. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:26.880 And yeah, that didn't happen, but he was pretty heartbroken 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.960 and they didn't show it. But I actually went up 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.359 to him and I was hugging him and I was 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.919 like trying to make sure he was okay, because I 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.159 know he really need that money for other reasons with 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.719 his family, and like I really wanted that money stycle 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.000 buy my first house. I never went on the show 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:41.680 for the money. I went on there just to make 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:42.240 good TV. 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.720 But I guess you know, how did it get to 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.240 the point where Camille would rather tank the whole thing 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.279 than see you get anything? 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.240 Yeah, that's what's That's what's strange Because if I was 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.400 in her position, if I was fifty years old, had 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.520 my family, had all my finance set up, and I 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.159 seen two young kids who played it amazing game, got 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.920 all the way to the end and really deserved the money, 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.240 I would have just been like, you know what, you two, 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:08.760 this one's going to change your lives. Like she knew 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.599 that I needed for my first house, she knew that 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.640 Blake needed for his Stanley reasons, and she would if 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:15.560 she said, like wrote, I'm going to share it with 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.719 you guys because you deserve it, and this is going 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.719 to change your lives, and I know you're going to 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.680 steal it, but here enjoy it. She would go down 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.839 as one of the greatest game players ever because she 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.080 was actually a good person. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.719 Well, she looked really uncomfortable when she was providing you 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.720 with her rationale, like I don't think it was a 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.960 fair or sorry, I don't think it was an easy 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.240 choice for her to make, you know. 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.359 Yeah, no, I think part of her actually wanted to 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.720 share it and us to enjoy it, So I think 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.719 she was. It was probably a last minute decision for 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.799 her to steal it, and it would have looked really 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.960 bad if me and Blake both wrote Share and she 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.760 wrote Steele. That's what I was also worried about. I 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.920 was like, if she writes Steel and takes it all 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.000 and she's nothing in the game, I'm going to look 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.479 like an idiot. So either way, I had to play 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.440 exactly how I wanted to play in this game, and 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.920 I did exactly what I wanted. Every person who would 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.159 attack me in the game, I would banish them. I 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.680 would then murder them, so I won. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.560 It's so brittal, but you know, we as an audience 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:14.600 have been watching this all the way up into that moment, 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.640 and you know, it seemed like you left standing there 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.280 while the other two left devastated. What happened when the 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.320 camera lights went down? Were you able to talk amongst 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.640 the three of you or if you've never spoken ever again, 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.000 I'd love to know some behind the scenes on that. 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.600 I've talken with Blake. Yeah, I've talken a lot with Blake. 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.880 I talked with him after the show's finished. We've met 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.560 up and we've gone over everything. Me and him are sweet. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.600 I'm pretty good with nearly all the contestants. They all 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.320 have realized how well I played the game, like we 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.760 didn't see any of this coming, So that part's been good. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.280 At the end of the day. From episode one, you've 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.040 been Reality TV gold. I'm loving the fact that you 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.640 were leaning into some villainry there. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.360 And I'm a trader and the rules of being a 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.720 trader is you got to lie, you got to manipulate, 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.600 you backstab, You've got to cause problems, and you've got 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.160 to make everyone not know what's happening in this game. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.720 And I understood that to a t. And when I 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.960 tried out for this game and the producers are trying 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.080 to figuret who's the trader, Who's a faithful, I was 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.280 never going to be a faithful because I was here 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.000 to play the traders and it's about the trader. And 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.680 that's exactly what I did. I played a trader to 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.840 a level that has never been played before. Everyone plays 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.160 a smart calm game where I was like, I wanted 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.480 to get rid of a trader on episode two and 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:32.080 I almost did it. I was very close and everyone 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.520 you know, you can see the fear in people's eyes 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.560 when I'm trying to do these moves and I'm doing 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.439 these interviews and the people they're not saying anything, but 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.199 they're like, is this guy like crazy? Like he's wow. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.640 I'm just shocked that you haven't been on any other 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.040 reality TV up until this point. I mean, I did 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.280 hear a rumor that you'd been asked to do Love 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.800 Island and maybe the Bachelor. Maybe it was just Love Island. 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.200 I've had Love Island contact me twice. But I'm waiting 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:57.720 for the call of to be the Bachelor. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.760 Okay, so I think after being an ass on this show, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.160 that you're going to be made the Bachelor. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:06.240 Yes, because I would be the most interesting person as 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:10.120 the Bachelor. But also Survivor. I'm a huge Survivor fan. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.679 I've wanted to play Survivor the last five years. So 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.160 that is Survivor and Bachelor is where you're gonna You're 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.040 gonna see me. I'm going I'm going to do that. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.600 We just wait for the call up and I'll see 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:23.240 which one. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.800 Comes first, and you will say yes. Well, I'm hoping 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.679 that they do a Villains versus Heroes or something like that. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.640 With Survivor because I feel like I'd audition for that 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:33.480 show just to go up against you. 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.000 Yeah, look, you can come up against me, and you 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.800 know I could play I can play both. You know, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.600 I got cast as a villain, but it doesn't mean 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.240 I'm a villain. I can also be a very nice person. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.679 So what's the real Okay, then you've got to tell 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.640 me this. So then being Sam the real person, what's 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.720 the difference between that and the person we've seen on 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:53.160 this show. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.480 The real person is from the country. I grew up 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.920 in a small country town and ride horses. I do farming, 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:04.760 and I'm just a normal, quiet person. But I love acting. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:09.800 I love making just content. I love making videos. If 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.920 you go through my Instagram, you'll see I make videos 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.280 of just making fun of myself for a situation. I 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.520 don't take anything serious. So when I have something that 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.160 I need to do, I will just mold my character 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.400 to that and I'll have so much fun. So for 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:28.120 the weeks that were filming The Traders, I was the sheriff, 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.320 and I had so much fun because I could just 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.440 be naughty, silly, loud, and you know, I would go 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.640 do these outrageous things and then go back to my 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:40.240 room and piss myself laughing on what I just did, 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.400 and I'm just thinking, on, did you actually just do that? 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.400 And then I was just like, this is so much fun. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.199 I can't wait for tomorrow to do something fun again. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:53.360 And then people like think, oh, he's such an evil person. 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:58.479 I've raised over sixty five thousand dollars for charity from myself. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.200 I've done so much work through the Bush Buyers in Australia. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.240 I spent forty four days fighting for as a volunteer, 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:10.400 saving houses, saving animals, saving people, ambassador for stand By 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.200 You Foundation, they protect domestic violence. There's so much things 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.920 that I do good that people don't really know about me, 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:18.720 and I think I'm this villain. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.200 Do you think being this TV villain will affect the 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.679 way that people see you in the future? I mean, 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.600 do you think it would change you being able to 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.920 work with these ambassadorships? I mean, was that a concern 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:28.160 for you? 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.240 No, No at all, because anyone who understands the game 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.120 understands I'm playing a character, and anyone who knows me 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.960 knows what I'm like. I do marketing, I work with 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.760 some of the most powerful people in the world and 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.200 the most powerful businesses. I've worked with Kevin Hart, just 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.040 trained Jake Paul. I do marketing at the most famous 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.160 hotel in the world. I work with top celebrities and 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.480 my job is to work with anyone and that's what 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.520 I do so well. So I was able to do 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.760 this for the last six years. And that's why I'm able 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.560 to go into a show like this with nineteen different 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:04.800 personnal nineteen different cultures, nineteen different beliefs and be friends 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.160 with each and every single one of these people. And 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.400 I'm still friends with them all, and that's why I 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:10.959 was able to control the game. That's why I was 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.080 able to get them to do things for me and 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.040 to believe what I was saying because they were actually 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.400 my friends. Just because I would lie at the end. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.840 That's part of the game. But I'm friends with all 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.760 these people. They've all invited me to come to their 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.960 place and stay with them and watch the show with 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.000 their families, so it's not going to affect me at all. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.520 To be honest, I love that I'm cast as a 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.120 villain because there's so many people who are going to 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.839 want to watch what I do next, and that's good. 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.160 It was interesting that you were saying about Ash Pollard 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.760 and that you wanted to banish her. In the second episode, 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.480 there seemed to be some real tension that we could 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.000 see as an audience. Was there anything that she had 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.200 done personally that we didn't get to see on camera 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.360 or did you just she'd rub you the wrong way? 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:50.120 What happened there? 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.560 She just wasn't friendly and she was rude to me 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.320 at the start. And when she rubbed me the wrong 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.839 way like that, I was like, I always wanted to 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.960 get rid of a trader early. That was my game plan. 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.720 And I met Blake and I was like, lovely dude, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.560 heard about his family, heard about his outside life, heard 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.360 the reasons why I wanted to be on the show, 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.560 why he needed the money, And then I talked with 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.400 Ash and Ash was just like, Oh, I just want 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.360 to put some marble on my kitchen and I go 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.240 to buy a new BMW. I was like, I know 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.360 which person needs the money, and I know which person 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.439 I'm going to take out. And I did that, and look, 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.000 I'm sure Ash is an amazing person. She's got a 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.800 family and everything, so there's no hard feelings. But at 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.160 that position of the game, I needed to make a 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.600 decision on the two, and I made the right decision. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:33.680 Who would you say the players that you felt the 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.839 most excited about banishing or murdering. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.559 The most exciting? The one that scared me the most 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.120 was when I murdered Luke. I love Luke. Luke is 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.240 a fantastic game player. He's a fantastic family man. I 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.920 see how well he takes care of his kids. I 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.320 actually look up to the guy, and I've seen what 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.600 he's done in Survivor and it's massive and it's inspired 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.599 me so much, especially in this game. So when I 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:56.800 was going to get rid of him, I didn't want 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.880 to get rid of him, but I had to get 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:00.760 rid of him because he knew I was a trader, 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.600 and if I kept Luke in the game any longer, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.760 I could be done. So when I got rid of him, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.280 I was so nervous because then everyone else. He told 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:09.760 everyone else that was a trader, and if he got 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.720 murdered that I'm done, everyone's going to know on the trade. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.240 So I'm like, oh my god, what am I going 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.520 to do to try and figure this out? So getting 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.760 rid of Luke that was the scariest. The rest of 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.400 them was fine. I didn't even bother, Like I kept 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.480 all my friends in the game, like Gloria, annabel Luke, 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.320 Keith Liam. They were all like my friends, like really 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.720 good friends, like I would be friends with them for life. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.960 Simon was amazing, Paul, you know, the whole cast was cool. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.960 You know, I rowe like everyone, Hannah. They're all really 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:41.560 good people. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:41.960 You know. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.120 I felt bad. I did feel bad, actually yeah, but 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.160 they were all amazing people. 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.440 I just felt like you should have been recruiting Annabelle 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.360 or Luke a little bit earlier. Like I kind of 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.040 felt like the producers even wanted that to happen. I 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.120 don't know whether I was having too many wines while 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:58.840 I watched the show, but I was like, kept thinking, 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.120 they clearly want them, these traders to recruit another person, 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.040 and I feel like they clearly cast Annabelle and Luke 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.040 to be faithful to start with, but to be I 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.360 think the traders would be wanting to make them, you know, 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.000 to recruit them. And then you guys kind of didn't 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.240 do what that plan was. 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:19.280 No, whatever the whatever a normal person would do, I'll 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.640 do the opposite a normal person would. You got rid 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.200 of a trader, you need another trader for numbers. I 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.360 was thinking that I could just get rid of Blake 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.320 as well, and I'd just be the only trader. That's 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.120 what I wanted. You know, I don't think you can 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.520 do that, because you can't, but I didn't want another 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.760 trader needed in Blake. We had so much confidence in 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.320 our game plan because you had two people. We had Blake, 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.120 who was just fitting in quite calm, and then you 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.200 had Me, who was very loud, friendly with everyone, and 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.600 we could protect each other because we weren't. We're not 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.360 the same person, so we're like Ying and Yang. So 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.760 that worked so well in the show that we're like, 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.960 we don't need anyone. And we only brought Famelion at 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:58.920 the end because she knew I was a trader, where 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:00.880 I could have just murdered her like I did with 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:02.600 everyone else, but I didn't. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.640 Well, you were playing to the strength of you thinking 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.400 that she was going to be able to let the 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.200 money go, and then it turned out that she didn't. 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.200 Do you think that she didn't do that because she 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.000 didn't like you as a person, or like, do you 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.040 think it was more personal? 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.680 We were really good friends. We actually worked together the 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.680 whole season on all the votes. Every vote, she would 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.120 come to me and ask me what I wanted to do, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.240 and she'd do it. She actually was one of my 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.320 closest friends in the game. So it would have been Luke, Annabel, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:35.440 and then Camille and Gloria. So I was closest with Camille. Why. 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:37.640 That's why I was a little bit shocked as well, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.440 because it was just like unexpected, like she made out 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.680 at the end, like in all things that how she 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.160 said everything. But we were really good friends in the show. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.240 You know, there was that moment at the end where 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.720 you were sort of saying to Camille, why didn't you 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.000 let us have the money? But as much as that 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.480 you have a real friendship, you have an existing friendship 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.360 with Blake. You knew how much he needed the money. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.960 Isn't there a possibility that you yourself could have let him 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.600 have that money by allowing that vote to play out differently? 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.120 Wasn't that your choice as well? 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.439 Yeah, definitely, if I knew Camille was going to take it, 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.239 I probably would have wrote a chair. As much as 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.119 everyone's like bullshit, you wouldn't. I would rather Blake get 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.919 his half and me get nothing, then none of us 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.280 get anything too, Like I promise you that. Like, I know, 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.040 he needed that money, and it makes me to think, 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.080 should have you done it? You know I could. I 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.520 could have ended the game as the hero. You know, 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.440