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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the Deli. Os is Sam

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Speaker 1: and Zara with you on Tuesday, the twenty fifth of

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Speaker 1: January for the deep Dive. Today, we're going to be

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Speaker 1: breaking down the conflict on the Russia Ukraine border. We

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Speaker 1: thought we'd try something simple, so we'll hit you up

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Speaker 1: with the hottest conflict in the world right now. Before

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Speaker 1: we do that, Zara, what is making headlines this morning?

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Speaker 2: Yesterday we found out that the more Gappan family from

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Speaker 2: Billa Wheeler had won its case in the Federal Circuit Court,

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Speaker 2: with the court ruling that Immigration Minister Alex Hawk's decision

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Speaker 2: to prevent three members of the family from applying for

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Speaker 2: further bridging visas was procedurally unfair. This now means that

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Speaker 2: the family members can apply for new bridging visas.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on that story. It's relatively procedural

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Speaker 1: for now, but it does open the door to the

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Speaker 1: family staying in the country. Meanwhile, the Australian Technical Advisory

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Speaker 1: Group on Immunization we know them as a TAGI, has

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Speaker 1: approved the Novovak's COVID nineteen vaccine and we'll begin to

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Speaker 1: roll it out on the twenty first of February. The

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Speaker 1: vaccine has two doses and is to be administered three

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Speaker 1: weeks apart. It's now the fourth available vaccine in the country.

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Speaker 2: Wa Man Terrence Darryl Kelly has pleaded guilty to abducting

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Speaker 2: Cleosmith from a campsite, who was safely found days after

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Speaker 2: her disappearance. Kelly pleaded guilty to forcibly taking a child

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Speaker 2: under the age of sixteen and he now remains in custody,

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Speaker 2: with the matter adjourn to a Perth District Court on

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Speaker 2: the twentieth of March later this year.

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Speaker 1: And today's good news is a lesson to all of

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Speaker 1: us who blindly delete everything in the spam folder. You

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Speaker 1: know those emails telling you that you have won three

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Speaker 1: million dollars. Well, for a woman in Michigan, it was

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Speaker 1: actually real. She found a three million US dollar lottery

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Speaker 1: prize ticket in her spam folder from a thirty one

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Speaker 1: December twenty twenty one drawing of the lottery. Laura Spears's

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Speaker 1: no relation to Brittany, plans to share her winnings with

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Speaker 1: family and retire.

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Speaker 2: Early today we are looking at what is happening between Russia,

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Speaker 2: Ukraine and the US. US President Joe Biden has warned

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Speaker 2: it'll be a disaster for Russia if it invades Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Russia will be held accountable if it invades, and it

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Speaker 1: depends on what it does.

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Speaker 2: We have no plans to invade. That was the message

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Speaker 2: from Russia's foreign minister after talks with the US about

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Speaker 2: Russian intentions in Ukraine. We're not gonna lie. This is

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Speaker 2: a really really complex issue, but we're going to try

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Speaker 2: to break it down. So last week US President Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden predicted Russia will invade Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: We're going to clearly need a few steps before that.

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Speaker 1: A bit of context here. Ukraine was once part of Russia, right, Yes.

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Speaker 2: So Ukraine was one of the republics of the Soviet

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Speaker 2: Union until it's break up in nineteen ninety one. This

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Speaker 2: led to Ukraine declaring its independence. It is worth mentioning

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Speaker 2: here that geographically Ukraine is wedged between Russia and Europe,

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Speaker 2: so both literally and metaphorically, it is caught between these

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Speaker 2: two political superpowers. Then, in twenty thirteen, Ukraine's president Viktor Yanikovich,

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Speaker 2: who was widely seen by the West as pro Russia,

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Speaker 2: he refused to sign a trade and political deal with

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Speaker 2: the EU. The European Union. This decision sparked mass protests

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Speaker 2: from civilians, and in feb twenty fourteen, Yanikovich was ousted

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Speaker 2: from office. Russian President Vladimir Putin actually said a few

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Speaker 2: months after this that Russia had helped him flee Ukraine

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Speaker 2: after he was ousted.

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Speaker 1: Right, And so we're also talking here about the annexation

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Speaker 1: of Crimea at some point.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So Russia reacted by invading and annexing the Crimean Peninsula,

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Speaker 2: which was part of Ukraine. And before I can see

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Speaker 2: you waiting to jump in here, annexing is essentially forcibly

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Speaker 2: acquiring another state's territory. So this was obviously moved from

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Speaker 2: Russia to try to regain some of its power in Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: This sparked conflict in eastern parts of Ukraine, during which

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Speaker 2: of people were killed. And then in twenty fifteen there

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Speaker 2: was a peace agreement. It was broken by France and

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Speaker 2: course parts of the agreement have not been fulfilled.

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Speaker 1: That's all sounding pretty good, twenty fifteen peace agreement. Things

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Speaker 1: are good. What's happened from there? How do we find

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Speaker 2: So let's go back to early December twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Seems like a lifetime ago, actually wasn't that long ago.

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Speaker 2: But US intelligence officials used satellite images, and those images

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Speaker 2: showed that Russia had plans for a military offensive at

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine border. The Russian government did deny that it

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Speaker 2: was planning to invade, but didn't exactly explain what was

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Speaker 2: happening at the border or why there was movement there.

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Speaker 2: So to diffuse tensions at the border, Russia made a

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Speaker 2: list of demands that it wanted the Northern Atlantic Treaty

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Speaker 2: Organization better known as NATO to agree to. Now, NATO

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Speaker 2: is the military alliance between thirty nations. It includes the

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Speaker 2: US and twenty eight other European countries, and it's long

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Speaker 2: showed suppor to Ukraine. One of the demands that Russia

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Speaker 2: made was for Ukraine to not join NATO. Earlier this month, however,

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Speaker 2: NATO rejected Russia's demand to stop the admission of new members.

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Speaker 1: So Russia didn't want Ukraine in the game. New NATO said,

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Speaker 1: they're allowed to if they want to be there. What's

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Speaker 1: the current situation right now?

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Speaker 2: That takes us to last week and US Secretary of State,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Blincoln said Russia currently has around one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden stood up at a press conference and basically

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Speaker 2: said that Russia will be held accountable if it invades Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: The US government also announced it would provide two hundred

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Speaker 2: has denied its planning and invasion. In a tweet on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the Russian Embassy in the US said, Russia is not

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Speaker 2: going to attack anyone. The practice of moving troops on

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Speaker 2: our own soil is a sovereign right. We call to

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Speaker 2: end the hysteria.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me the only real way to end

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Speaker 1: the hysteria is to get some certainty about what happens

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Speaker 1: from here. Is there anyone who knows what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen from here?

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Speaker 2: Well, basically, the long and the short of it is

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Speaker 2: that there's nobody that knows, except maybe Vladimir Pudin himself,

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Speaker 2: a prominent Russian foreign policy analyst, actually told The New

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Speaker 2: York Times last week the expert opinion that I can

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Speaker 2: authoritatively declare is who the heck.

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Speaker 1: Knows that makes me feel great about the state of

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Speaker 1: the world and the state of foreign affairs on the

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Speaker 1: Russian Ukraine border. We'll keep you up to date on

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Speaker 1: this story. It's a major world story to keep a

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Speaker 1: close eye on. It will lay the foundations for international

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Speaker 1: relations for the rest of the year and beyond, so

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