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Speaker 1: It is just on ten thirty and it's time for

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Speaker 1: the big issues and joining us seeing the studio.

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Speaker 2: I've got Damien Hale, good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, Good morning, Wolfy, and.

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Speaker 2: I've got Dave Toler, good morning, great to be with you,

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Speaker 2: Good to see you both.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to talk firstly about this announcement that well,

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Speaker 1: the reality is it's getting closer that we could end

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Speaker 1: up with this London flight direct to Darwin. The devil

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Speaker 1: is definitely in the detail at this point though, and

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Speaker 1: some of that detail we could not get from the

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Speaker 1: Minister for Tourism Natasha Philes earlier today ask some questions

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Speaker 1: about what's quarantine and going to look like for those

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Speaker 1: travelers that potentially are going to travel on those direct flights.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know that it only comes down to

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Speaker 1: the territory government making a decision on those requirements or

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Speaker 1: what people are going to have to do when they

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Speaker 1: travel from another country. I think it also comes down

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Speaker 1: to whats GOMO probably announces in terms of that national plan.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you know SKom is saying we're going

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Speaker 4: to open up when the country is at eighty percent,

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Speaker 4: and from what I can gather. We're nearing that now

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Speaker 4: all around the country, so you know, when we open up,

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Speaker 4: one would expect that that it would be sorry, would

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Speaker 4: be the end of quarantining. So they wouldn't be unless,

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Speaker 4: you know, unless somebody's coming in who's you know, somehow

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Speaker 4: is sick test positive, they obviously have to be quarantine.

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Speaker 4: But there shouldn't be any need for quarantining if people

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Speaker 4: are coming in from countries that are too similarly vaccinated.

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Speaker 5: Well you think you'd only take tourists that are vaccinated.

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Speaker 4: For a while, going to take vaccinated passengers.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's why you got vaxed up, didn't your dive.

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Speaker 3: And you've got Australians.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty well true.

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Speaker 5: It could be Australians still coming home that could have

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Speaker 5: to go to quarantine, but it'd be great when the

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Speaker 5: borders are open.

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Speaker 3: Well you vaccinated, David.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I am excellent.

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Speaker 5: Good.

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Speaker 4: I've got to say this new definition an I will

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Speaker 4: get to that.

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Speaker 2: I do want to get to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk quickly about if we were to see

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Speaker 1: this direct flight, what kind of impact do you reckon

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Speaker 1: it would have in terms of tourism and for the economy.

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Speaker 2: Here in the territory.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that we've ever had such a significant

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Speaker 1: direct flight, have we from Darwin to the likes of London.

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Speaker 4: Expected, Well, we've got Darwin and Singapore a course which

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Speaker 4: is which is a very popular flight, has always been

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Speaker 4: a very popular flight, but one would expect that Darwin

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Speaker 4: to London would be as popular, probably even more so,

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Speaker 4: and it would be a great thing for the territory,

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Speaker 4: tourist industry and all of that.

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Speaker 3: So we're coming back.

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Speaker 5: The other way, and obviously you want to get them

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Speaker 5: out of the airport if they're coming from London to Darwin,

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Speaker 5: and not allow them to link to other capital cities

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you want to get them out.

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Speaker 3: Here into the into the local economy for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, that'd be the big thing, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't just be about making sure that we can

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Speaker 1: secure this flight, but it would also be about making

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Speaker 1: sure that we really market the Northern Territory then as well.

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Speaker 4: It's a big flight on to London and people would

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Speaker 4: like a little bit of rest and relaxation, I think

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Speaker 2: So that's where the Northern Territory steps in and will be.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I love a good rest, a good afternoon, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Don't get to have more often enough.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, let's talk about this anti vaxa debate. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if either of you kept an eye on

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Speaker 1: bit of a farce. The Chief Minister really having a

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Speaker 1: of anti vaxers because they haven't seen whether they do

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Speaker 4: My question is who is rot Michael Gunna think he

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Speaker 4: I mean there should be a choice in it. I'm

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Speaker 4: No drama, zic no. But I mean to sit there

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Speaker 1: I found it all a bit bizarre, but they certainly

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Speaker 4: Me this idea that it's common belief that everything you

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Speaker 5: They see, the Victorians have come in with certain stages

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Speaker 5: of allowing people out. If you're vaccinated, you were allowed

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Speaker 4: And what's next the flu? Were we going to mandate

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Speaker 4: that shot? Are we going to mandate all these things

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Speaker 4: because we've got to save them?

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Speaker 5: But one thing about Michael Gunner, and and whether you're

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Speaker 5: like him or you don't, he has been very consistent

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Speaker 3: Been a consistent voice.

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Speaker 5: Crazy Da Dave has attacked him and then mind he's

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Speaker 3: Bit of he goes, he.

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Speaker 2: Goes text Michael handed compliments.

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Speaker 4: With Harley's been very inconsistent through the pandemic.

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Speaker 5: Who would have opened the borders back in June last year? Inconsistent.

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Speaker 1: There's been one consistent voice. One can take you too, though,

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Speaker 1: is the Electrical Trade Union. For example, they've condemned the

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Speaker 1: Malandarie McCarthy. So obviously he then called Melanderie an anti vaxer,

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Speaker 1: which I thought, goodness me, they're turning on themselves here.

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Speaker 1: They did a tremendous job but turning the discussion last

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Speaker 1: think they did exactly what they were aiming to do,

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Speaker 1: and that was to change the rhetoric in the media

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Speaker 5: About that you're giving them way too much credit, as

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Speaker 5: way too much credit. As I said, Michael's been right

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Speaker 5: from the start setting the tone, keeping the territories safe

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Speaker 5: and like you can't the proof of the puddings in

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Speaker 2: Well, so when do we stand here?

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Speaker 1: Do we think that if you don't support mandatory vaccines,

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Speaker 3: Come on, I think everyone's just getting question into the question.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying vaccinated back in June, Mate, I'm absolutely

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Speaker 4: Do you support military vaccinations?

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Speaker 5: Look, I just think everyone's getting vaccinated. I don't know

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Speaker 4: That people into the question. He just keeps deflecting to.

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Speaker 1: Come in and cheer for me when I'm interviewing someone

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Speaker 4: I mean, how often can you divert the government season?

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Speaker 4: It has to be done. Michael going and wants to.

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Speaker 1: Know, I don't think you support mandatory vaccinations?

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Speaker 4: Do you all the same thing that makes me an

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Speaker 5: Look, I support getting people everyone vaccinating, and that the

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Speaker 5: best way we can open up to the territory, to

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Speaker 5: open up to the other states is just go and

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Speaker 5: get vaccinated.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I said it last week. I've had both

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Speaker 1: I am a pro vaxer, but I also understand that

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Speaker 1: some people are still hesitant about it. And I actually

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Speaker 1: think that there needs to be more education for some

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. I suppose, Well, this is the other

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Speaker 1: part of the discussion, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Is there are people don't want it.

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Speaker 4: To get vaccinated. Well, that's their problem, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: And is that the approach that realistically, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a decision maker and or leaders, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure what they're going to decide

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Speaker 5: People will continue to have their own choice, but you know,

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Speaker 5: I just think that it's heading in the right direction.

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Speaker 5: And you look around Australia and there's going to be

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Speaker 5: you're still locked down. If quanas have made it clear

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Speaker 5: you're not allowed on a plane if you're not vaccinated,

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Speaker 4: Or you're not Singapore opened up in June. Sorry, in March,

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Speaker 4: we're thirty percent. Right now they're now sitting at ninety

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Speaker 4: Since March and they opened up at thirty percent. Now

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Speaker 4: well will we get to eighty percent or when can

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Speaker 4: having to get vaccinated. I think that's just all totalitarian,

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Speaker 2: At the moment. I mean, it's pretty bad.

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Speaker 4: Of everybody built her up because she's considering opening up

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Speaker 5: Hindsight's going to be a great thing in this because,

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Speaker 5: like as I said, if you if you look back

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Speaker 5: Australians would not have put up with having twenty five

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Speaker 3: It just would.

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Speaker 4: The rest of the world is out of lockdown. They're

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Speaker 4: laughing at US. So I used to sit there and say,

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Speaker 4: Australia's wore this out pretty well, but now they're all trading,

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Speaker 4: carrying on doing life is to return to normal, and

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Speaker 4: here we are still dealing with lockdowns, like endless lockdowns

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Speaker 4: like in Victoria.

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Speaker 5: Well, because our vaccination was a vaccination, which is the restraint.

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Speaker 4: Good at getting vaccinated, always been good at getting vaccinated.

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Speaker 4: I don't know where the pressure is.

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Speaker 5: Well, we can go in the vaccines because of the liberal,

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Speaker 2: It's a couple of minutes to warm up. But now

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Speaker 2: It is the big issues. It is the big issues.

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Speaker 1: With Damian Hale and Dave Tolner, proudly brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Kolano Community Association. Now, I just want to take

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Speaker 1: I think one of you called this really early that

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Speaker 2: I can't was it one of you two who said

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Speaker 3: It was probably me.

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Speaker 1: Well, And I don't think Barnaby is the only one

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Speaker 5: It's actually climate change is coming up very much as

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Speaker 4: If Haley said that, when you break them down, he's

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Speaker 2: It's just so we're going.

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Speaker 1: To need to get to a point like we do

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Speaker 4: Been reading the news, but all of these other countries

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Speaker 1: Now you know obviously that's why we've got the likes

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Speaker 4: To Canavan is a realist what's going on, but he

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Speaker 2: He's not going to get.

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Speaker 3: Don't see what's going on in the rest of the world.

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Speaker 4: Your mind.

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Speaker 3: Decade decades we've been putting up with this lot.

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Speaker 4: Look co demand globally, it's increasing.

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Speaker 3: Script Barnaby has written your script. David it's just the

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Speaker 5: When it comes to climate change action, when it comes

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Speaker 4: The countries targets, the countries the targets.

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Speaker 1: Thing are never going to agree.

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Speaker 5: Now, Morrison needs to be very careful, Katie, because it's

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Speaker 3: Minister to an election.

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Speaker 5: And seriously, the fact of the matter is is that

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Speaker 3: That's the mix that they like.

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Speaker 5: And that's why I said when Morrison got Barnaby Beck

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Speaker 4: Election, Labor got wiped out, Poor, almost lost his seat

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Speaker 3: Well Dave's climate changes in an issue.

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Speaker 5: So we're thinking in the federal election, will climate changes

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Speaker 3: And I'm saying to it.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's take a bit of a change of pace.

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Speaker 1: While I'd love to talk about climate change for another

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Speaker 1: The States recorded six new COVID nineteen cases as multiple

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Speaker 2: I tell you.

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Speaker 1: What, Queensland's going to go berserk if the foot he

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Speaker 5: Oh if they shut down that no way. King George

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Speaker 2: Should be, so it should be. Dave's looking about their days.

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Speaker 4: I'm completely deflated with the NRL scene two weeks two

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Speaker 5: Well, that sort of makes you sound like you can

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Speaker 5: watch the curtain Raiser.

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Speaker 1: My brother Bean is coaching the Tweed Tweed Sea Gulls

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Speaker 1: in my nephew Brent is playing, so it'll be well,

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Speaker 1: like it'll be a good game. They're playing against win

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Speaker 2: It's going to be good because they got the Curtain

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Speaker 3: At about eleven o'clock and you get Rugby League right.

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Speaker 1: Through the day, so you'll have to watch ying.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Brent was playing in Locke on the weekend, but

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Speaker 2: We'll wait and see.

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Speaker 5: It would be interesting, I reckon. I think Penrith might

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Speaker 5: They waped Manly. Yeah, everyone loves seeing Manly beaten. That

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Speaker 1: I really like it when there's not a Queenside team

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. Maybe I might go for Penrith.

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Speaker 3: They dropped made a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of mistakes Melbourne last week and they lost two players

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Speaker 5: just got beat but down to seventeen verse fifteen, which

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Speaker 3: Dropped a lot of ball.

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Speaker 5: But full credit to Penrith and their little half back

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Speaker 3: Injuries side next year with him. He's a friend.

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Speaker 4: Shockne Bennett.

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Speaker 5: Oh you reckon he'll seventy one last game coach in South.

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Speaker 4: What an unbelievable record.

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Speaker 1: He has, unbelievable record, Yeah, he has. And he is

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Speaker 1: I know he's always a bit sour faced when he

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Speaker 2: Geez, you could never knok he's coach.

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Speaker 5: He got asked to leave a pub after the game

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Speaker 4: Hour for that.

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Speaker 3: They'll go close.

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Speaker 5: But I think Penrith after last year getting beat Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: heard it first.

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Let's wait to see what happens this weekend. Always great

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Speaker 1: to have you both on the show for the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Tolder and Damian Hale. We will catch you again next week.

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Speaker 3: No worries. Wolfe takes you when you