WEBVTT - The push to ban gambling ads

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily

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<v Speaker 1>ohs oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>the sixteenth of August. I'm zara, I'm billy. Should online

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<v Speaker 2>gambling ads be banned altogether? Now? That's the question that's

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<v Speaker 2>currently in front of the government as they weigh up

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<v Speaker 2>how to deal with Australia's gambling problem. While a committee

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<v Speaker 2>report last year recommended a total ban on all online

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<v Speaker 2>gambling advertising, there are now reports that the government won't

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<v Speaker 2>go for a total ban, but instead a partial one.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's deep Dive, we're going to explore what the

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<v Speaker 2>fallout from those reports have been, what the government's options are,

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<v Speaker 2>and what we can expect next. But first, Billy, what's

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<v Speaker 2>making headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>Opposition leader Peter Dudden has doubled down on calls for

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<v Speaker 1>a temporary immigration pause on people fleeing gars. Dunnan introduced

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<v Speaker 1>a motion in Parliament yesterday claiming that some of nearly

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand visas granted by the government, two individuals from

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<v Speaker 1>Gaza have gone to applicants who have quote express sympathy

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<v Speaker 1>for Hamas. Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi accused Dudden of sowing

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<v Speaker 1>quote fear and division over Palestinian visas. Independent MP Zali

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<v Speaker 1>Stegl also spoke out against Duddin's motion, calling it racist,

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<v Speaker 1>before then withdrawing her remark.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's unemployment rate rose slightly from four point one percent

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<v Speaker 2>to four point two percent in July. That's according to

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian Bureau of Statistics. The unemployment rate reflects the

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<v Speaker 2>percentage of people who were looking for work but couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>find any. July marks the highest that unemployment has been

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<v Speaker 2>since November twenty twenty one. Despite the number of employed

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<v Speaker 2>people increasing by an extra fifty eight thousand people last month,

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<v Speaker 2>The Reserve Bank of Australia forecasts the unemployment rate will

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<v Speaker 2>rise to four point three percent by the end of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Tens of thousands of women in the Indian state of

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<v Speaker 1>West Bengal have protested against sexual violence. It follows the

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<v Speaker 1>rape and murder of a trainee doctor at a Kolcuta hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Federal police have taken over investigations after local authorities were

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<v Speaker 1>accused of negligence and cover ups. Demonstrators, including thousands of doctors,

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<v Speaker 1>are calling for better security measures to keep women and

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<v Speaker 1>medical professionals.

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<v Speaker 2>Safe and today's good news. Researchers have been given new

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<v Speaker 2>insight into life in the ancient Roman city of Pompeii.

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<v Speaker 2>Archaeologists announced this week they've unearthed two skeletons, coins, and

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<v Speaker 2>jewelry that were believed to have been buried when Mount

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<v Speaker 2>Vesuvius erupted nearly two thousand years ago. Officials say that

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<v Speaker 2>discovery offered invaluable anthropological data about the ancient city and

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<v Speaker 2>its residents. So Billy Parliament resumed this week. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the first sitting week back after an extended winter break,

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<v Speaker 2>and the big time that everyone seems to be talking

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<v Speaker 2>about is gambling. That's because the government's currently preparing to

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<v Speaker 2>introduce its legislation to deal with the rise in online gambling. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that sometimes we talk about gambling, but

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<v Speaker 2>we don't really set out the problem, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's important to set out the problem so that

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<v Speaker 2>we know what the government is trying to solve. The

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<v Speaker 2>issue is this, Australians spend and lose more money to

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<v Speaker 2>gambling than people in any other country in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Deestimated that as a country, we collectively lose twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars in bets every single year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a crazy statistic. And so in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>the government identified that this was an issue and they

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<v Speaker 2>referred the matter to a committee, and that committee was

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<v Speaker 2>tasked with coming up with some recommendations on how to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with this rise in online gambling and also to

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<v Speaker 2>look at its effects on those actually experiencing online gambling harm.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that committee handed down its final report in

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<v Speaker 1>June of last year. Can you tell me a bit

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<v Speaker 1>about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I do think that there are a few

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<v Speaker 2>things to note about this committee because committee's hand down

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<v Speaker 2>reports all the time, and like normal people outside of

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<v Speaker 2>you and I don't often pay close attention to those

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<v Speaker 2>committee reports. But this one is really different. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>because this committee was chaired by the late Labor MP

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Murphy, who died from cancer in December of last year.

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<v Speaker 2>So the committee that she was leading recommended that the

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<v Speaker 2>government should adopt a full ban on online gambling advertisements

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<v Speaker 2>in a phased approach. And so the reason that this

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<v Speaker 2>is coming up and that this is becoming such a

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<v Speaker 2>big talking point is because that recommendation that I just

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<v Speaker 2>said is largely seen as Peter Murphy's legacy. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she was this really beloved member of the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 2>and now people are saying that, however the government responds,

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<v Speaker 2>here is more than just about gambling. It's also about

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<v Speaker 2>honoring Peter Murphy's legacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so Murphy letter committee that recommended a total ban

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<v Speaker 1>on online gambling advertising. That was in June of last

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<v Speaker 1>But why are we talking about it today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so we haven't heard from the government since then.

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<v Speaker 2>So usually when a committee hands down a report, the

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<v Speaker 2>government takes some time to consider what's in that report

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<v Speaker 2>and then they formally respond. And so the conversation now

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<v Speaker 2>is that the government is getting ready to formally respond,

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<v Speaker 2>and that that formal response, from what we are hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't what the committee actually recommended. So I want to

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<v Speaker 2>just really quickly read out exactly what the recommendation was,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think then you can compare it to what

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<v Speaker 2>we're hearing the government is going to try and propose.

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<v Speaker 2>So the exact recommendation that the committee led by Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Murphy made was the Committee recommends that the Australian Government,

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<v Speaker 2>with a cooperation of the States and territories, implement a

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<v Speaker 2>comprehensive ban on all forms of advertising for online gambling

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<v Speaker 2>to be introduced in four phases over three years, commencing immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they're not suggesting there that tomorrow you turn

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<v Speaker 2>off all online gambling ads. They're saying, this needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be a phased approach, but there needs to be the

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<v Speaker 2>plan to phase it out entirely. But that doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be the way that the government is going. And

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<v Speaker 2>so earlier this month this story made its way back

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<v Speaker 2>into the headlines because the nine newspapers reported that a

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<v Speaker 2>government is now considering a partial ban rather than the

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<v Speaker 2>full ban that was recommended.

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<v Speaker 1>What's also interesting about that is that Peter Murphy was

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<v Speaker 1>Labor and this is a labor government responding.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why it's so tense, because they're saying, you

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<v Speaker 2>tasked this former Labor MP with bringing you answers, and

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<v Speaker 2>she is no longer there and you are not doing

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<v Speaker 2>what she recommended. Like it's also a really deeply emotional thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've never read about someone who was more

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<v Speaker 2>beloved by a party, and so now it's it's feeling

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<v Speaker 2>quite personal, which is a really interesting element to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Murphy recommended a total ban. We now know that

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<v Speaker 1>the government is more considering a partial ban. What do

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<v Speaker 1>we know about what a partial ban would look like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, again, I think it's important to know that the

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<v Speaker 2>government hasn't explicitly said anything on the record. We are

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<v Speaker 2>relying quite a bit on what the nine papers are reporting.

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<v Speaker 2>And what they're reporting is that instead of a total ban,

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<v Speaker 2>Labor is now looking at adopting a cap of two

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<v Speaker 2>gambling ads per hour on each channel until ten pm,

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<v Speaker 2>and then banning ads an hour before and an hour

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<v Speaker 2>after live sport. That's just what's being reported, but it

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<v Speaker 2>does seem that that's picking up steam. And already we've

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of people come out and criticize that proposal.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is criticizing it and what exactly are their criticisms.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the criticism is coming from both inside and outside

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<v Speaker 2>the camp. When I say inside the camp, we've had

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<v Speaker 2>some Labor MPs who are part of the current government

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<v Speaker 2>coming out and saying, no, we need to do this

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<v Speaker 2>full ban, it's an imperative. We had Labor backbencher Mike Friedlander,

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<v Speaker 2>who's a doctor, saying that a total ban is the

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<v Speaker 2>only possible answer from a public health perspective. So that

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<v Speaker 2>is someone of the same government coming out and say nah,

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot do what is being proposed right now. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of broader criticisms, we've had an open letter

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<v Speaker 2>this week from the Alliance for Gambling Reform that said

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<v Speaker 2>a tsunami of one million gambling ads are shown on

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<v Speaker 2>free to AIRTV and radio every year, and that open

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<v Speaker 2>letter is calling for this full ban. Interestingly, it was

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<v Speaker 2>signed by quite high profile Australian figures, people like John Howard,

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<v Speaker 2>ex Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull also an ex Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>We had Dom Perrete, the ex Premier from New South Wales,

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<v Speaker 2>and Steve Brax, the X Premier in Victoria. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of getting a full spectrum of political opinions here

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<v Speaker 2>saying you have to go with the full ban. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a balancing act though for the government because they've

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<v Speaker 2>got these loud voices, but then they've also got loud

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<v Speaker 2>voices on the other side from the gambling industry and

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<v Speaker 2>from the media industry who are saying no, this won't work.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's interesting exploring the media industry's perspective

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more because a lot of free to

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<v Speaker 1>air channels, so you think of your nines and your sevens.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people are saying that they are really

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<v Speaker 1>quite reliant on the advertising money coming from gambling companies.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know that it's not controversial to say that

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<v Speaker 1>TV is a dying industry and to keep it alive,

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<v Speaker 1>they right now are very reliant on that money, and

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<v Speaker 1>so that comes into the balancing act.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we've heard a lot of that sort of

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<v Speaker 2>argument being made. I was listening to an interview of

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<v Speaker 2>the CEO from Free TV, so she's representing all of

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<v Speaker 2>those channels, saying that this will put a hole in

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom line of these media companies and that then

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<v Speaker 2>in turn, they can't fund the public interest journalism.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the counter to that is that this was

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<v Speaker 1>a debate that they were having about the tobacco industry

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<v Speaker 1>a number of decades ago, exactly, and ultimately they did

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<v Speaker 1>ban tobacco advertising and that was done to the benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of everyone's overall health and that was a positive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, interesting you bring up that example because Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Shorten earlier this week. So gambling is not the same

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<v Speaker 2>as tobacco, and so the government's quite clearly trying to

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<v Speaker 2>differentiate the two, even though there are those around who

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<v Speaker 2>are saying, no, these are both public health crises, and

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<v Speaker 2>look at how you dealt with one, you need to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with the other one in exactly the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the media is certainly one part. But then

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<v Speaker 2>obviously the other group that aren't stoked about this is

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<v Speaker 2>the betting companies themselves. Again, a lot of this is

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<v Speaker 2>happening behind closed doors, so I read that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some of these companies have had to sign NDAs before

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<v Speaker 2>entering into meetings with the Minister for Communications about this,

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<v Speaker 2>So we don't know a whole lot, but from some

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<v Speaker 2>reporting around, we've seen that the betting companies are acknowledging

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<v Speaker 2>something will need to be done, and instead of wanting

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<v Speaker 2>a full ban, they're offering to remove their logos from

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<v Speaker 2>sporting jerseys. So that's one proposal from them. The other

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<v Speaker 2>is that they'd offer to remove any advertising from radios

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<v Speaker 2>during school pickup time, So again that's more of a

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<v Speaker 2>partial ban. I mean, I don't even know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>really a ban, but it's more trying to find some

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<v Speaker 2>solutions within the current frame work that will allow them

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<v Speaker 2>to continue advertising.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so there is all of this pressure on the government.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a very fine Balancing Act. We know what

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<v Speaker 1>is being reported and you know kind of the rumors

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<v Speaker 1>of what they're saying, but what is actually on the

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<v Speaker 1>record by the politicians.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a whole lot. We had Harry from our office

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to Michelle Roland, she's the Communications Minister, and

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<v Speaker 2>her office said the status quo of online wagering advertising

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<v Speaker 2>is untenable. She added that the government was continuing to

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<v Speaker 2>speak with harm reduction advocates, health experts in industry before

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<v Speaker 2>it tables any legislation. But again that's not really telling

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<v Speaker 2>us anything we don't know. On the other side of politics,

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<v Speaker 2>we had Liberal Senator Jane Hume say on Q and

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<v Speaker 2>A earlier this week that you have to find the

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<v Speaker 2>right balance. She said, it's not an illegal pastime. Adults

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<v Speaker 2>can participate by choice.

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<v Speaker 1>So that shows that, you know, again within parties, within

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party, there is not consensus about what should

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<v Speaker 1>be done on this issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. A Liberal elder in John Howard is saying you

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<v Speaker 2>need a total ban and that a current coalition senator

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Hume is saying the opposite. So interesting, it is

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<v Speaker 2>quite a divisive topic. One person that's come out fairly

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<v Speaker 2>strongly out the Gates. Here is Independent Senator David Pocock.

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<v Speaker 2>He has just essentially said the government must back a

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<v Speaker 2>full ban and that they need to show courage and

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<v Speaker 2>that they need to go and do this even if

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<v Speaker 2>it is tough. So we've got kind of a fairly

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<v Speaker 2>aligned cross bench there behind Pocock saying you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do this.

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<v Speaker 1>And so next week there will be another sitting week.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we expecting them to table that legislation next week?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, given all of the talk and all of

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<v Speaker 2>the hype, I think that they're going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>act pretty soon and they can expect whatever happens based

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<v Speaker 2>on what we've just said, that there will be blowback

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<v Speaker 2>wherever they land, because there are so many different stakeholders

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<v Speaker 2>here with so much to lose.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so one to watch. This is a story I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen everywhere this week, and I feel like it's another

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<v Speaker 1>time that I want to say, oh no makes sentence.

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