1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday, 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: the sixteenth of August. I'm zara, I'm billy. Should online 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: gambling ads be banned altogether? Now? That's the question that's 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: currently in front of the government as they weigh up 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: how to deal with Australia's gambling problem. While a committee 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: report last year recommended a total ban on all online 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: gambling advertising, there are now reports that the government won't 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: go for a total ban, but instead a partial one. 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: In today's deep Dive, we're going to explore what the 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: fallout from those reports have been, what the government's options are, 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: and what we can expect next. But first, Billy, what's 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: making headlines. 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: Opposition leader Peter Dudden has doubled down on calls for 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: a temporary immigration pause on people fleeing gars. Dunnan introduced 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: a motion in Parliament yesterday claiming that some of nearly 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: three thousand visas granted by the government, two individuals from 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: Gaza have gone to applicants who have quote express sympathy 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: for Hamas. Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi accused Dudden of sowing 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: quote fear and division over Palestinian visas. Independent MP Zali 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: Stegl also spoke out against Duddin's motion, calling it racist, 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: before then withdrawing her remark. 24 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 2: Australia's unemployment rate rose slightly from four point one percent 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: to four point two percent in July. That's according to 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: the Australian Bureau of Statistics. The unemployment rate reflects the 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: percentage of people who were looking for work but couldn't 28 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: find any. July marks the highest that unemployment has been 29 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: since November twenty twenty one. Despite the number of employed 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: people increasing by an extra fifty eight thousand people last month, 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank of Australia forecasts the unemployment rate will 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: rise to four point three percent by the end of 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: Tens of thousands of women in the Indian state of 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: West Bengal have protested against sexual violence. It follows the 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: rape and murder of a trainee doctor at a Kolcuta hospital. 37 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: Federal police have taken over investigations after local authorities were 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: accused of negligence and cover ups. Demonstrators, including thousands of doctors, 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: are calling for better security measures to keep women and 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: medical professionals. 41 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: Safe and today's good news. Researchers have been given new 42 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 2: insight into life in the ancient Roman city of Pompeii. 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: Archaeologists announced this week they've unearthed two skeletons, coins, and 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: jewelry that were believed to have been buried when Mount 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: Vesuvius erupted nearly two thousand years ago. Officials say that 46 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: discovery offered invaluable anthropological data about the ancient city and 47 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: its residents. So Billy Parliament resumed this week. It was 48 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: the first sitting week back after an extended winter break, 49 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: and the big time that everyone seems to be talking 50 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: about is gambling. That's because the government's currently preparing to 51 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: introduce its legislation to deal with the rise in online gambling. Now. 52 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: I do think that sometimes we talk about gambling, but 53 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: we don't really set out the problem, and I think 54 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: that it's important to set out the problem so that 55 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: we know what the government is trying to solve. The 56 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: issue is this, Australians spend and lose more money to 57 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: gambling than people in any other country in the world. 58 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: Deestimated that as a country, we collectively lose twenty five 59 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: billion dollars in bets every single year. 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: That's wild. 61 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a crazy statistic. And so in twenty twenty two, 62 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: the government identified that this was an issue and they 63 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: referred the matter to a committee, and that committee was 64 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: tasked with coming up with some recommendations on how to 65 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: deal with this rise in online gambling and also to 66 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: look at its effects on those actually experiencing online gambling harm. 67 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so that committee handed down its final report in 68 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: June of last year. Can you tell me a bit 69 00:03:58,720 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: about that? 70 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I do think that there are a few 71 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: things to note about this committee because committee's hand down 72 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: reports all the time, and like normal people outside of 73 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: you and I don't often pay close attention to those 74 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: committee reports. But this one is really different. And it's 75 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: because this committee was chaired by the late Labor MP 76 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 2: Peter Murphy, who died from cancer in December of last year. 77 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: So the committee that she was leading recommended that the 78 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: government should adopt a full ban on online gambling advertisements 79 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: in a phased approach. And so the reason that this 80 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: is coming up and that this is becoming such a 81 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: big talking point is because that recommendation that I just 82 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: said is largely seen as Peter Murphy's legacy. So you know, 83 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: she was this really beloved member of the Labor Party, 84 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: and now people are saying that, however the government responds, 85 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: here is more than just about gambling. It's also about 86 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 2: honoring Peter Murphy's legacy. 87 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so Murphy letter committee that recommended a total ban 88 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: on online gambling advertising. That was in June of last 89 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: But why are we talking about it today. 90 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we haven't heard from the government since then. 91 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: So usually when a committee hands down a report, the 92 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: government takes some time to consider what's in that report 93 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: and then they formally respond. And so the conversation now 94 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 2: is that the government is getting ready to formally respond, 95 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: and that that formal response, from what we are hearing, 96 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: isn't what the committee actually recommended. So I want to 97 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: just really quickly read out exactly what the recommendation was, 98 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: because I think then you can compare it to what 99 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: we're hearing the government is going to try and propose. 100 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: So the exact recommendation that the committee led by Peter 101 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: Murphy made was the Committee recommends that the Australian Government, 102 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: with a cooperation of the States and territories, implement a 103 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 2: comprehensive ban on all forms of advertising for online gambling 104 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: to be introduced in four phases over three years, commencing immediately. 105 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: And so they're not suggesting there that tomorrow you turn 106 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: off all online gambling ads. They're saying, this needs to 107 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: be a phased approach, but there needs to be the 108 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: plan to phase it out entirely. But that doesn't seem 109 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: to be the way that the government is going. And 110 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: so earlier this month this story made its way back 111 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 2: into the headlines because the nine newspapers reported that a 112 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: government is now considering a partial ban rather than the 113 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: full ban that was recommended. 114 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: What's also interesting about that is that Peter Murphy was 115 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: Labor and this is a labor government responding. 116 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: And that's why it's so tense, because they're saying, you 117 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: tasked this former Labor MP with bringing you answers, and 118 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: she is no longer there and you are not doing 119 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: what she recommended. Like it's also a really deeply emotional thing. 120 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: You know, I've never read about someone who was more 121 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: beloved by a party, and so now it's it's feeling 122 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: quite personal, which is a really interesting element to it. 123 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: So Murphy recommended a total ban. We now know that 124 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: the government is more considering a partial ban. What do 125 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: we know about what a partial ban would look like. 126 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: Well, again, I think it's important to know that the 127 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: government hasn't explicitly said anything on the record. We are 128 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: relying quite a bit on what the nine papers are reporting. 129 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: And what they're reporting is that instead of a total ban, 130 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: Labor is now looking at adopting a cap of two 131 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: gambling ads per hour on each channel until ten pm, 132 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: and then banning ads an hour before and an hour 133 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: after live sport. That's just what's being reported, but it 134 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: does seem that that's picking up steam. And already we've 135 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: had a lot of people come out and criticize that proposal. 136 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: Who is criticizing it and what exactly are their criticisms. 137 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: Well, the criticism is coming from both inside and outside 138 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: the camp. When I say inside the camp, we've had 139 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: some Labor MPs who are part of the current government 140 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: coming out and saying, no, we need to do this 141 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: full ban, it's an imperative. We had Labor backbencher Mike Friedlander, 142 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: who's a doctor, saying that a total ban is the 143 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: only possible answer from a public health perspective. So that 144 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: is someone of the same government coming out and say nah, 145 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: we cannot do what is being proposed right now. Then, 146 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: in terms of broader criticisms, we've had an open letter 147 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: this week from the Alliance for Gambling Reform that said 148 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: a tsunami of one million gambling ads are shown on 149 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: free to AIRTV and radio every year, and that open 150 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: letter is calling for this full ban. Interestingly, it was 151 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: signed by quite high profile Australian figures, people like John Howard, 152 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: ex Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull also an ex Prime minister. 153 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: We had Dom Perrete, the ex Premier from New South Wales, 154 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: and Steve Brax, the X Premier in Victoria. So we're 155 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: kind of getting a full spectrum of political opinions here 156 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: saying you have to go with the full ban. It 157 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: is a balancing act though for the government because they've 158 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: got these loud voices, but then they've also got loud 159 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: voices on the other side from the gambling industry and 160 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: from the media industry who are saying no, this won't work. 161 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting exploring the media industry's perspective 162 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more because a lot of free to 163 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: air channels, so you think of your nines and your sevens. 164 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying that they are really 165 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,599 Speaker 1: quite reliant on the advertising money coming from gambling companies. 166 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: And we know that it's not controversial to say that 167 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: TV is a dying industry and to keep it alive, 168 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: they right now are very reliant on that money, and 169 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: so that comes into the balancing act. 170 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've heard a lot of that sort of 171 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: argument being made. I was listening to an interview of 172 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: the CEO from Free TV, so she's representing all of 173 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: those channels, saying that this will put a hole in 174 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 2: the bottom line of these media companies and that then 175 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: in turn, they can't fund the public interest journalism. 176 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: And then the counter to that is that this was 177 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: a debate that they were having about the tobacco industry 178 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: a number of decades ago, exactly, and ultimately they did 179 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: ban tobacco advertising and that was done to the benefit 180 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: of everyone's overall health and that was a positive. 181 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, interesting you bring up that example because Bill 182 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: Shorten earlier this week. So gambling is not the same 183 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: as tobacco, and so the government's quite clearly trying to 184 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: differentiate the two, even though there are those around who 185 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: are saying, no, these are both public health crises, and 186 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: look at how you dealt with one, you need to 187 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: deal with the other one in exactly the same way. 188 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, the media is certainly one part. But then 189 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: obviously the other group that aren't stoked about this is 190 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: the betting companies themselves. Again, a lot of this is 191 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: happening behind closed doors, so I read that, you know, 192 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: some of these companies have had to sign NDAs before 193 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: entering into meetings with the Minister for Communications about this, 194 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: So we don't know a whole lot, but from some 195 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: reporting around, we've seen that the betting companies are acknowledging 196 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: something will need to be done, and instead of wanting 197 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: a full ban, they're offering to remove their logos from 198 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: sporting jerseys. So that's one proposal from them. The other 199 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: is that they'd offer to remove any advertising from radios 200 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: during school pickup time, So again that's more of a 201 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 2: partial ban. I mean, I don't even know if that's 202 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: really a ban, but it's more trying to find some 203 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: solutions within the current frame work that will allow them 204 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: to continue advertising. 205 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so there is all of this pressure on the government. 206 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: It is a very fine Balancing Act. We know what 207 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: is being reported and you know kind of the rumors 208 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: of what they're saying, but what is actually on the 209 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: record by the politicians. 210 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: Not a whole lot. We had Harry from our office 211 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: reach out to Michelle Roland, she's the Communications Minister, and 212 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: her office said the status quo of online wagering advertising 213 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: is untenable. She added that the government was continuing to 214 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: speak with harm reduction advocates, health experts in industry before 215 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: it tables any legislation. But again that's not really telling 216 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: us anything we don't know. On the other side of politics, 217 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: we had Liberal Senator Jane Hume say on Q and 218 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: A earlier this week that you have to find the 219 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 2: right balance. She said, it's not an illegal pastime. Adults 220 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: can participate by choice. 221 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: So that shows that, you know, again within parties, within 222 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, there is not consensus about what should 223 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: be done on this issue. 224 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: Exactly. A Liberal elder in John Howard is saying you 225 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: need a total ban and that a current coalition senator 226 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: Jane Hume is saying the opposite. So interesting, it is 227 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: quite a divisive topic. One person that's come out fairly 228 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: strongly out the Gates. Here is Independent Senator David Pocock. 229 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: He has just essentially said the government must back a 230 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: full ban and that they need to show courage and 231 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: that they need to go and do this even if 232 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: it is tough. So we've got kind of a fairly 233 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 2: aligned cross bench there behind Pocock saying you have to 234 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: do this. 235 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: And so next week there will be another sitting week. 236 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: Are we expecting them to table that legislation next week? 237 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: I mean, given all of the talk and all of 238 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 2: the hype, I think that they're going to have to 239 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: act pretty soon and they can expect whatever happens based 240 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: on what we've just said, that there will be blowback 241 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: wherever they land, because there are so many different stakeholders 242 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: here with so much to lose. 243 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: Okay, so one to watch. This is a story I've 244 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: seen everywhere this week, and I feel like it's another 245 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: time that I want to say, oh no makes sentence. 246 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Sarah, and thank you so much 247 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: for listening to this episode of the Day. 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