WEBVTT - Beef Liver Supplements for Iron: The Truth, Plus Everything You Need to Know to Fix Low Iron for Good 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:03.760 Do you know what your iron is? 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:06.160 Maybe your iron's in the normal range, but perhaps your 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.360 ferretin is low. On today's episode of The Nutrition Couch, 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:11.960 we chat all things iron and what you need to 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.200 do to get on top of your iron levels once 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:15.160 and for all. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:16.560 Hi, I'm Leanne Wood. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.560 And I'm Sissy Burrow, and together we bring you The 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.800 Nutrition Couch, your weekly podcast with everything that you need 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:23.680 to know in the world of nutrition. 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:25.080 As well as all things iron. 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.000 We take a closer look at supermarket hot chocolates, we 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:30.960 have a frozen vegetable product to review, and our listener 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.120 question is all about the online craze at the moment 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.400 beef liver supplements. But to kick us off today, Zuzie, 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.400 we are chatting all things iron because admittedly you and 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.319 I have both had low iron in the past. Our 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.840 clients regularly have low iron. It's something that busy women 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:48.559 really struggle with, isn't it. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.320 I think one of my most frustrating things with clients 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.680 is when I'll look at their blood panel and the 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.040 doctor will have said it's fine, and I'll look and 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:02.040 their ferretin is like a eighteen. Now we'll disclose that 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.280 recently I had a faretin coming tot eighteen. So it 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:09.320 is incredibly easy, even if you are a red meat eater, 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.680 to have low iron stores. And there's a few reasons 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.679 for this. The first is that often our intake is 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.119 not where it needs to be. So if you are 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.679 a meat eater, but you eat red meat once a week, 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.600 and you are a young woman who exercises a lot, 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.520 has young kids, you might have been breastfeeding pregnant in 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.560 the last few years. It won't be enough, and so 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:36.800 over time your stores gradually deplete, and even low iron stores, 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.440 which is your ferretin, can make you feel very, very tired. 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.200 So I was prompted to get a blood test because 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.119 I got up one morning and felt very very dizzy, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.800 and I thought, oh my god, what is wrong with me? 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.920 And when I looked my faireshan had been twenty last 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.040 year and now it's eighteen. I should have done something then, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.600 but again, you know, the doctors didn't say to me 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.360 at the time, would you like to get an infusion, 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.520 which is ultimately what many women will need to top 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:05.320 their stores up, because routinely what I'll hear is clients, 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.240 and these are even clients who've just had a baby, 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.640 and they've gone through their pregnancy, the baby's taken all 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.639 the iron from them. They haven't been eating a huge 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.840 amount because they're pregnant and not feeling amazing. And then 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.360 they'll go home with a newborn with low ferretin and 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.200 the doctor's suggesting that they take a fair grad sea. Now, 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.079 iron supplements rip through your gut. They are incredibly difficult 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.080 to get your iron levels up. It's got to do 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.359 with a lot of factors, including absorption, and so if 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.040 your stores are low, many people, I believe will need 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.040 an infusion to bring it up, particularly if they've got 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.320 high energy demands, they're breastfeeding, things like that. Even myself, 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:42.120 I just know that increasing my red meat intakes slightly 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.000 has not helped me in twelve months, not even a 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.080 little bit. And I'm not ready for letting it go. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.400 And I said to my own clients, do not walk 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.840 around with low ferretin. It's really like your body is 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.040 constantly running on empty. It means that your blood is 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.519 not oxygenated to the extent it should be. Your brain 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.320 and cognitive function is not going to be as good 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.880 as it should be. You'll be breathless, you'd be your 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.280 sleep and still feel fatigued. You know you're starting behind 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.880 the eight ball. Your immune systems impacted. It's not healthy 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.960 for any of us to be walking around with low ferretin. 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.560 So that's the first thing. If you've had to look 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.920 at your blood tests and overtime your ferresons declining, you 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.400 know it's worth exploring. And we should also say leand 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:21.040 that low ferretin and low iron can also be a 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.239 sign that you may not be absorbing, you may be 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.880 losing blood in certain ways. It certainly warrants medical investigation. 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.560 So when I was at the GP, the first thing 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.680 they said to me was, had I had a colonoscopy, 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.880 because they too are thinking if you've got chronic low iron, 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.040 it can be associated with malabsorption or even bowel cancer 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.560 and young people, and we're seeing that more and more. 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.840 So it's really it's not a sign that something's wrong. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.080 It's a sign. You need to understand why it could 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.080 be low. Are you malabsorbing, are you losing blood? Are 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.560 you exercising a lot and not replacing? And if everything 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.560 comes back normal, So for example, I've had a colonoscopy 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.040 as you had in the last two years, no polyps, 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.360 no sign of anything toward no other signs and symptoms. 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.080 The rest of my blood's are normal highly likely. Like 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.119 many of our listeners, I just don't need enough red 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.760 meat for the amount that I expend. I do exercise 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.040 a lot. I probably have red meat maybe once a 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.480 week if I'm lucky. I always prefer fish and chicken 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.160 over red meat. So that's the first thing. You've got 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.120 to get your blood tests, have a good look at them, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.279 and decide is it worth investing in having an infusion 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.880 and getting the stores up. And it was interesting this 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.159 time the end because the doctors actually offered me two infusions, 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.000 so when I've had one in the past, they gave 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.760 me the one infusion. It brings your eye up to 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.160 about one hundred. He said to me. He thinks you 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.560 should always have both and bring your stores right up 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.159 rather than just go. And I thought that was quite 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.279 an interesting thing. I hadn't heard it before either. Then 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.880 on top of that, that would be if you're someone 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.960 who doesn't eat a lot of red meat in general 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.160 and would prefer to take an iron supplement like multi Fi, 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.680 which is a very good one a few times a 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.880 week to top your stores up as opposed to eating 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.640 more meat. Absolutely, go for it. That is, in my experience, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.040 the best thing to do. If you border on low iron, 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:06.159 it's certainly not the solution. If your stores are in 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.520 your boots and you're a tired, busy, overwet mum, You've 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.440 got to get your levels up and then go from there. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.240 Or if you prefer no supplements, and some of us 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.320 don't because they do rip through your gut, I would 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.760 say you've got to be having small serves of lean 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.640 red meat three or four times a week, like a 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.960 lean land Cutlet some lean beef mints and use it. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.440 You know, you've been doing that series on your Instagram 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.960 with all the hot lunches. You know, do a beef 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:30.880 mince recipe that you have a couple of times a 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.200 week when you go for dinner, get a fill at 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.479 steak and have it over two meals. Have a steak 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.240 sandwich rather than a chicken burger. You know, you've really 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.839 got to really focus on it to get your demands 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:42.680 in because, yeah, a lot of us just are not 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.720 getting enough or choosing to eat less red meat or 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.680 even following a plant based diet. And I argue that 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:50.799 for busy women, it's just not fair that we're walking 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.680 around with low ferritin. That makes you feel like you've 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:53.480 been hit by a bus. 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.840 Yeah, And I certainly have shoggled with low iron in 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.880 my past. I was bigin for you at a terin 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.480 for a couple of years in my early twenties, and 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.839 then in my thirties I had two back to back pregnancies, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.039 two back to back breastfeeding lots, and sort of about 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.920 four years straight I was either pregnant or breastfeeding. And 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.520 just for some context, women between about twenty to fifteen 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.719 need about eighteen milligrams of iron a day, and that's 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.560 primarily due to regular menstruation. Once women get over fifty, 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.599 it drops from eighteen down to eight milligrams a day, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.279 and that's primarily due to, you know, the average age 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.880 of metopause. Now, pregnant women go from eighteen milligrams a 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.840 day up to twenty seven milligrams a day. And I 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.360 always say to my clients, particularly in that third trimester, 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.080 the baby is just like a gremlin, like it's just 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:37.200 taken everything. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.120 From your particularly the iron. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.320 So so many women, and then if you've had a 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.320 really rough berth as well, like you might have lost 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.440 a bit of extra blood and all that kind of thing. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:46.480 You might have had a hemorrhage. 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.800 Like a lot of times they are replacing it, but 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.680 sometimes they're not, and that's where it can really really 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.920 you can struggle to get on top of your iron levels, 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.240 and then if you have another pregnancy, you know, you 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.200 just struggle to get on top of it if you're 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.039 not replacing it properly. So it is really important to 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.200 be aware of your iron levels. If you are someone 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:05.960 that's been really low on the past, it might be 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.360 worth having a check once or twice a year. If 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.320 you're someone who is busy and who is tired, who 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.960 you may be in that postpartum period and you haven't 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.080 had your blood work dead in the last year, I'd 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.720 highly recommend going and chatting to your doctor about getting 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.000 your iron levels checked, particularly if you are, as Zusie mentioned, 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:26.080 feeling dizzy. You know, you're breathless even just walking, like 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.440 doing minimal exertion. In terms of exercise, you know, of 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.880 course you've gotta be restless if you're doing a huge workout, 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.320 but you're just going for a really easy stroll or 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.200 just doing day to day activities, you feel quite breathless. 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.200 You wake up after a really good night's sleep, still exhausted. 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.800 It's well worth going to get your iron levels tested. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.360 And restless legs is another big one. I remember in 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.280 the third trimester, my iron was obviously very low. I 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.520 could not keep my legs still at nighttime, like they 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.000 would shake constantly, and David was like, what is wrong 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:54.520 and I was like, I don't know, I just I 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.720 can't stop moving my legs. And then when I went 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.440 back to my ob she was like, oh, your iron 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.880 must be really low. When we check it was and 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:02.960 she said that's a big sign. Restless legs is a 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.680 big sign of low iron. So that's another good one. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.600 If you are sitting there and you have very restless 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.280 legs at night, probably a good good chance to go 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.440 and get blood tests. True, but key sauces of iron 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.200 really really important. As Zuzi said, it's the red meat, 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.840 you know, beef, kangaroo, even chicken and fish have iron 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:21.760 not as much as your red meats. And then if 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.280 you're talking about vegetarian or what we call non hem 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.800 based iron sauces, your legames and your beans are absolutely 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.280 the best sauces tofu as well, dark green leafy veggies 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.840 and really dried apricots are a great combo. You would 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.760 get clients to have dried apricots and chick beas like 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.640 groasted chickpas as a really good high iron snack. And 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.880 then making sure you're really having what we call that 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.200 iron boost, that vitamin C. So a lot of the 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.439 iron supplements on the market do have vitamin C included 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.959 in them, but if they don't, something simple like a 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.560 squeeze of lemon or orange juice onto your salad or 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.680 having a bit of capsicum or tomatoes in a meal 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.280 when you're taking your iron tablet is a really good idea. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.640 And making sure you avoid any what we call iron inhibitors, 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.520 so the tannins and tin coffee can actually hinder the 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.000 absorption of an iron. So don't sit down to take 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.800 your iron tablet or capsule and wash that down with 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.520 a sipper coffee because you're not doing yourself any favors. 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.640 And then also I'll just quickly make a really quick 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.040 note because one of my good friends is just starting 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.840 her baby on solids and she was telling me how 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.480 well he's doing on all the vegetables, and I just 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.599 gave a quick reminder because no one really tells you 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.199 these things that the most important nutrients. One of the 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.240 most important nutrients for babies starting food is actually iron. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.800 It's not vegetables, you know, they don't really get in 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.440 much iron. After six months of age, mum's breast milk 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.120 stops sort of producing that iron, and so it's a really, really, 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.280 really important nutrient. And I said to her, just sucking 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.080 on a really well cooked lamb chop to get the 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.120 juice the iron out of it is a great thing 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.880 for little babies. If you're doing baby led weeding. Obviously, 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.000 I've got to chew off the lamb. They're just sucking 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.080 the juice. It's got to be really well cooked and 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.440 very well trimmed. All black beans, just squash them, and 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.400 that can be a really great sauce of iron and 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.240 also fiber because a lot of bubs get quite constipated 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.840 dropping down the milk as well. So they're my tips 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.760 in terms of iron. But like you said, my preference 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.200 is a liquid over a capsule. If you are someone 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.439 that struggles with you know, constipation and gut issues and 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.920 iron tablets, try it liquid because that tends to be 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.360 a little bit better absorbed than an iron capsule. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.560 Now, she hasn't given us her number. What was your 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.319 ferresh and leanne in recent weeks? 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.040 Oh, it's always been lower. 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:20.680 At one point, I think it was about three in 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.480 the hospital rang me and they're like, come straight in. 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:23.959 Now, this is years it go. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.400 Though she has an in vision two. I've told her 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.720 she's not listening to me. Butanne, you've forgotten my favorite 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.000 sources of iron in the diet. Well, if anyone grew 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.240 up in the seventies and eighties, you cannot go past 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.680 the smoked oyster and a smoke muscle in the tin 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.280 like they have to be some of the most efficient 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.960 ways to get four to seven milligrams of well absorbed 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.640 heam iron. If you like smoked oysters, if you like 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.679 smoke muscles, I am a big fan. They're not for everybody, 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.720 that's the button. I do like them. They're going to 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.440 be a very good source. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.600 That's a problem. Though not many people like them, myself included, 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.880 but I. 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.120 Take them and her husband David indulges with me and 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.320 the smokedoy sterilia and is horrible. 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:03.880 And me and me are standing on the side pinching 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:04.439 our noses. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.920 Well, moving on from iron to hot chocolate, because as 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.960 we know, it's cooling down, maybe not so much in Queensland, 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.400 but definitely down south a little bit more. It's cooling 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.680 down and it is hot chocolate weather. So of course, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.079 like most times in May, a lot of our clients 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:20.800 are saying I have. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.520 This hot chocolate and this one and this one. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.240 So we thought we'd do a little bit of a 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.640 supermarket wreki and look at what are the hot chocolates 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:28.400 on the markets. 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:29.800 So I think a lot of our. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.160 Clients have used the traditional you know, the Milos and 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.240 the Cadburys, and it's I don't think we have to 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.440 cover it on the podcast. They're obviously heine sugar. They're 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.959 more of a treat food. But there are some better 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.760 ones on the market these days that are a bit 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.360 lower in sugar or even perhaps provide some functional ingredients. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.320 So the one that you and I loved for years 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.800 and years and years, and what we admittedly tried to 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.600 replicate from a taste perspective when we built our rest 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.720 Hot Chocolate and design our dieticians was the Jarrow one. 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.480 So we still really like that because it is quite 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.040 low calorie. But the thing is with that, to me, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.839 I always get that funny after taste because it does 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.480 have the artificial sweetness in their nine to five to one, 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.960 but the ingredients or nutrition information is pretty good, like 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.680 a stick of that is only around what fifty calories 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.040 or something and quite low in sugar because it does 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.520 have the sweetness in there. So the Jarra one's one 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.240 of the better ones on the market in terms of 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:18.680 a lot lower in sugar. 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:20.040 The other one that. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:24.240 I have clients have a lot recently, in particular as 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.280 a brand called Avalanche. But I do get feedback that 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.000 although it is quite low in sugar, it doesn't necessarily 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.320 taste so good. So my clients tell me that this 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.040 one is quite low in sugar, and I believe it 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:35.600 clocks it around that I think. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.360 I don't have the nutritionals in front of me, but I. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.200 Think around forty kind of ish calories, so quite low 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.079 calorie as well, quite low sugar. But again I think 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.240 they are using a lot of the artificial sweetness, aren't they, 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.480 And that tends to be sort of the running theme 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.120 across the supermarkets are either full sugar or they tend 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:52.920 to be quite low in sugar, but they are using 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.079 a lot of those artificial sweetness to obviously reduce it 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.719 and replicate that sugar content aren't they they are? 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.880 I think the feedback I'm just a look to confirm 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.839 the sweetener in avalanche and I don't think it's artificial, 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.840 but I can't actually get the nutritionals, which that's not 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.240 our fault. If they don't log them, I'll try and 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.880 go to another site. But my experience with it is 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.600 it's really watery. So it's actually nutritionally pretty good, but 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.800 just watery. And I'm like you, I've always loved the 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.560 jarra and would have one every night, but I was 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.760 becoming more and more aware of sort of the evidence 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.160 to avoid a spartame in the diet. And whilst it 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.280 did have a milk powder base which and it does 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.040 has some sugar and I think it's got about eight 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.040 grams of sugar over all the jarra, but it did 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.640 have a lovely mouthfeel, which is what we replicated with 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.720 our rest without the artificial sweetener, because there is I think, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.000 so the ingredients in the jarwer is milk solids, glucose solids, 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.800 cocoa at seventeen percent, which is a nice amount, but 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.160 it does have nine to five one which is a spartame. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.320 Because I think part of it is when you have 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.520 more of a watery one, you don't get that fulfillment, 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.000 and that's the case with a couple of those tube 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.839 style ones. There also is some avalanche, a sugar f 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.240 that might have the type of sweetener on it actually, 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.920 so that's part of the issue. And then of course 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:07.839 if you go to the good Oh, they're using a 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.400 erythrotol in the avalanche rain, whereas if you go to 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.920 the cabri, which is delicious, but we want to be 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.920 because it's based on pure sugar and that's traditionally what 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.320 hot chocolate would be. And I think actually for anyone 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.400 listening who isn't a coffee drinker, who will say to me, 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.960 at this time of year, I had a hot chocolate. Well, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.000 hot chocolate at the coffee shop is got twenty to 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:29.400 thirty grams of sugar in a small They're incredibly concentrated. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:31.640 So if you are looking for a hot drink in 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.440 this at this time of year, and you do get 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.720 it from a cafe occasionally as a bit of a treat, 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.600 I wouldn't be having one every day. A little trick 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.920 is to ask for half strength and they'll put half 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.560 the powder in so you're not getting as much sugar 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.560 and it would be just as sweet. You know, you'll 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.480 enjoy it just as much, but you will cut a 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.920 little bit. But yeah, the cabri one, for example, per serve, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.000 it's still only just over one hundred calories, but it's 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.400 got thirteen point four grams of sugar because the first 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.800 ingredient is sugar, followed by glucose syrup another form of sugar, milk, solids, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.120 vegetable fat, So nutritionally, it's not a great choice. And 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.560 my understanding is the linked one is also similar because 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:08.960 I think the other thing when it comes to hot 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.240 chocolates is there's a lot of functional hot chocolate. So 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.920 we'll be very clear. We do have rest our functional 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.680 hot chocolate, but there are some varieties out there that 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.040 retail for as much as sixty dollars for a packet 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.240 of hot chocolate. Now, it would have to have liquid 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.560 gold in there to warrant that price. There is nothing 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.440 in a functional hot chocolate that should warrant it being 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.120 as much as sixty dollars. You're probably lining the pockets 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.520 of it. Influences to just be mindful, you know, if 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.120 it's promising the earth, it probably is too good to 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.720 be true because that kind of amounts. I don't care 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.800 whether it's a greens powder, a hot chocolate, sixty eighty 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.560 dollars for a small container, there is no possible way 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.200 even if it contains collagen. Collagen does add a cost 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.120 to hot chocolate, but nowhere near those amounts. And often 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.720 they might have as little as three grams of collagen, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.160 which is not a big dose either. If you're paying 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.280 that much, you'd want at least ten grams of collagen, 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.240 if not more so. Buyer beware, you know, if it's 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.920 sounding too good to be true, or for supermodel selling it, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:04.800 it's probably ripping you off a little bit, because at 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.920 the end of the day, a functional drink is not 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:08.800 going to solve the problems of the world, you know, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:13.240 so just be aware. I think our kind of product 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.640 is about that thirty dollar mark. That's where you're going 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:20.040 to be getting the benefits of some functional ingredients, magnesium, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.640 some sleep additions, a whole food base as opposed to 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.640 artificial sweetness, a great mouth feel. But yet you can 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.640 certainly be ripped off when it comes to some of 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.560 the ones out there. And I'm just having a look 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.440 at the limp one right now, leam, this is certainly 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:38.000 much more indulgent sugar, cocoa butter, whole milk, powder, cocoa mass. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.160 So it's really a good quality one, but again it 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.360 would want to be. It's over two hundred calories a serve. 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.120 It's got almost thirteen grams of sugar and twelve grams 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.640 of fat. So that's a very indulgent type product that 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.080 might burn off if you're living in the Arctic, but 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.160 probably not in the Australian winter. So I would stick 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.520 to a low calorie option that is reasonably priced, and 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.880 if you can avoid the artificial sweetness or too much sugar, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.000 even if you buying hot chocolates away from the home, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.080 that would be the goal. And my client's question was 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.119 does it matter if I occasionally have a Jarrah? And 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.959 I was like, no, nothing occasionally ever matters. It's more 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:12.959 if you rely on it every day, you would want 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.320 to make sure the nutrition's going in his better quality. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:16.600 Yeah, one hundred percent. 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.000 And I will say I have actually had one of 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.760 those Lint hot chocolates at the Link Cafe and oh 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.160 my goodness, it was amazing, like incredible, But yeah, definitely 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:25.920 not something I'd want to be having every single night, 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:27.479 or I don't think if it in my jeans by 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:28.200