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Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Satasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud

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Speaker 1: or the Order Kerni Whalbury and a waddery woman. And

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Speaker 1: before we get started on She's on the Money podcast,

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Speaker 1: I would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the

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Speaker 1: land of which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country,

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through.

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Speaker 1: As this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and

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Speaker 1: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today

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Speaker 1: and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast

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Speaker 4: that's You're you on as you build the career and

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Speaker 4: the pay packet you actually deserve. Are you tired of

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Speaker 4: feeling like no matter how much you budget, you just

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Speaker 4: can't get ahead and wondering if maybe the answer isn't

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Speaker 4: cutting back but earning more. That is literally my life.

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Speaker 4: Have you staying a job that doesn't light you up,

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Speaker 4: not because you want to, but because you're scared you're

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Speaker 4: not qualified enough to make the move, or you're in luck?

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Speaker 4: Because today's episode is just where you need. I'm becksired,

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Speaker 4: and as always, I'm joined by the woman who has

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Speaker 4: made a career out of helping the rest of us

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Speaker 4: level up ours, the brilliant Victoria Divine.

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Speaker 5: I am very excited about this Beck because I get

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Speaker 5: messages every single day from people asking me like, oh,

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Speaker 5: how did you career pivot? Like you went from psychology

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Speaker 5: to finance, and like I'm thinking of doing something similar

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Speaker 5: or do you know what?

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Speaker 2: I hate seeing when people say.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm too old, I can't change it, Like, what

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Speaker 5: do you mean? You're forty and you don't want to

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Speaker 5: change your career. You could be forty year old who

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Speaker 5: has their bag in Korea and by the time you're

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Speaker 5: retiring at sixty five, you've still got twenty five years

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Speaker 5: of experience.

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Speaker 2: Sit down, Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 5: Like we change our careers on average seven times in

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Speaker 2: That's so good.

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Speaker 4: So like, let's just go, let's go. You want to

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Speaker 4: change your career, you can do ever too. You can

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, It's going to be hard.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like right now, with the cost of

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Speaker 5: living crunch, literally everyone is feeling it. We're all feeling

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Speaker 5: like maybe we need to do something to get ahead financially.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like our first instinct, kind of from

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Speaker 5: my perspective, as it should be, Beck, when we're feeling

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Speaker 5: financial pressure is to you know, cut back and look

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Speaker 5: at our budget and work out what's going on.

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Speaker 2: We're going to maybe cut back on our coffees that

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Speaker 5: We're going to reevaluate our subscriptions and you know, tighten

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Speaker 5: right Like, we all talk about that, but realistically, go

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Speaker 5: you can only cut back so far, Like that's only

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Speaker 5: Looking at finding a way to sustain a lifestyle where

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Speaker 2: Right, Like, we can do that for the short term,

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Speaker 5: And we go through seasons of life like you might

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Speaker 5: but like, what if you don't want that.

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Speaker 5: And often I think the flip side gets overlooked because

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Speaker 5: financially rewarding. Okay, when I talk about a strategic pivot,

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Speaker 4: Back right into what and like, how do you how

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Speaker 4: how a strategic pivot, if we look into the research

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Speaker 4: more than ten to twenty percent according to recent Australian

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Speaker 5: is she literally just put herself out there. She backed herself,

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Speaker 5: in a brand new industry and she's earning honestly bank

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Speaker 5: And I think so many times we often go nah,

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Speaker 5: What if they say no, Beck, we can go get

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Speaker 5: Like the amount of times as somebody who hires other people,

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Speaker 5: There are definitely going to be times where you're like,

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Speaker 5: because I'm very much of the opinion Beck, what is

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Speaker 5: And if you don't get the job, cool? Could you

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Speaker 5: that will wait until they meet at least ninety percent

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Speaker 5: do you reckon, it's like two forward of me to

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Speaker 5: I really like it's been a week. Do you think

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Speaker 5: Beck if you jumped on Seek? Just how to look exactly.

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Speaker 5: Like if you are doing that, you're moving maybe from

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Speaker 4: but my resume is a little bit dry, like because

439
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Speaker 4: you might have had like one job or two jobs,

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Speaker 4: or you know what I mean. Like, I think so

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Speaker 4: many times we just fall back to our job titles.

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Speaker 4: But I want you to start thinking about your skills bank.

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Speaker 4: So I want you to not just think about the

444
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Speaker 4: jobs that you've had, but the skills that you possess.

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Speaker 5: So there's a few steps here. So the first step

446
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Speaker 5: is you're going to write down everything. You're going to

447
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 5: list everything, not just the jobs, write down the tasks

448
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Speaker 5: that you do, the projects that you do, the responsibilities

449
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Speaker 5: you've handled. You can ask chat GPT for hand. She's

450
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 5: very supportive your paid jobs. Maybe you've had some side hustles,

451
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Speaker 5: maybe you've done some volunteer work or a UNI project

452
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Speaker 5: or like a little passion project on the side. All

453
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Speaker 5: of it counts, literally, everything counts. If you've led, I

454
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Speaker 5: don't know, a university charity drive, that's project management. If

455
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Speaker 5: you started a small baking side hustle on the weekends,

456
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Speaker 5: that's entrepreneurship. That's marketing, that's customer service. Like all of

457
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Speaker 5: it makes sense. And this is where I think so

458
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Speaker 5: many times we underestimate. You just go, yeah, but I

459
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Speaker 5: just maked some cakes. Go No, you ran a whole

460
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Speaker 5: marketing strategy to get clients like no, I just we

461
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Speaker 5: undervalue what we do.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, people who are neurospicy.

463
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Speaker 5: So if you are on the spectrum or you have ADHD,

464
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Speaker 5: you are more likely to undervalue your skills. Like there

465
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Speaker 5: is science behind that, because you just assume everybody operates

466
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Speaker 5: in the same way that you do and that's actually

467
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Speaker 5: not the case. Like, and I see that literally every

468
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Speaker 5: day of the week in you back, You're like, oh, yeah,

469
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Speaker 5: I just have this little side pottery business. Go what like,

470
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Speaker 5: And you'll be like, oh, it's just a thing I do.

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Speaker 2: It's just like it's not very important.

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Speaker 4: Go what like?

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Speaker 2: You started a whole host business.

474
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Speaker 4: You worked out how to source the stuff.

475
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Speaker 5: You go in and firing things like you're getting off

476
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Speaker 5: your custom orders like.

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Speaker 4: Stop it, BD, I guess so empowered. You mean, like

478
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Speaker 4: you look at it. Anybody else doing it you'd be like,

479
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Speaker 4: you're running a whole last business and you're like, oh,

480
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Speaker 4: I just do it for fun.

481
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Speaker 2: I Ceelia saying, well, that is so nice to hear.

482
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Speaker 5: The next thing we're going to do back, yeah, is filter?

483
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Speaker 5: What lights you up? So obviously we don't maant to

484
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Speaker 5: be doing jobs that make us want to cry every

485
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Speaker 5: single day. Look at your list and highlight the tasks

486
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Speaker 5: that you feel like energize you, the things you enjoyed,

487
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Speaker 5: or the things that you felt really proud of, or

488
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Speaker 5: the things that you just lose track of time doing so.

489
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Speaker 5: Like if you, I don't know, a few years ago,

490
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Speaker 5: if you said to me, V do you enjoy spreadsheets,

491
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Speaker 5: I'd be like, yeah, but like not that much, Like

492
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Speaker 5: they're not that good, Like there are means to an end. Girl,

493
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Speaker 5: you are spending so long on like I would spend

494
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Speaker 5: and still do, spend hours just fiddling with them, changing things,

495
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Speaker 5: you know, crazy out what formula could go here, thinking

496
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Speaker 5: about solutions like wow, but like clearly I love that,

497
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Speaker 5: But I didn't want to admit that I loved that,

498
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Speaker 5: But I would lose track of time I'm doing those things.

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Speaker 4: Right, And you would have thought, like that's the average

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Speaker 4: amount that people love spreadsheets.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like everybody does that too, right, Like you will

502
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Speaker 5: hyper fixate on a particular formula, right, Gay, we're not

503
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Speaker 5: all building macros.

504
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes we're not.

505
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Speaker 5: I thought everyone did that. It turns out not everybody

506
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Speaker 5: does that. The next step is to match to real opportunities.

507
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Speaker 5: So I want you to start go on Seek, go

508
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Speaker 5: on LinkedIn, Like these are free platforms that so many

509
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Speaker 5: people just avoid because they're like, oh, well, I'm not

510
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Speaker 5: actively looking.

511
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Speaker 4: Now you are.

512
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Speaker 5: We are now start browsing real job ads in industries

513
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Speaker 5: that excite you. So we're not saying go and apply

514
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Speaker 5: it immediately.

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Speaker 4: You're just gonna have a look. Like, if you work

516
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Speaker 4: in HR and you've been thinking about marketing, have a

517
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Speaker 4: look at marketing job ads what skills and criteria are

518
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Speaker 4: they actually looking for?

519
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Speaker 2: Because I think so many times we don't dive in.

520
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Speaker 5: We just go, oh, I've had no experience as a

521
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Speaker 5: marketing director. I've worked in HR for the last fifteen years,

522
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Speaker 5: like nothing. But then Beck, you might get into the

523
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Speaker 5: nitty gritty of it and realize that the entire marketing

524
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 5: director role or whatever. It's just an example, is all

525
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 5: about project management and relationship management and all the stuff

526
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Speaker 5: that you've actually been doing in HR for the last

527
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Speaker 5: fifteen years. And you could write a bang and cover

528
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Speaker 5: letter and be like, Hey, I've got all these transferable

529
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Speaker 5: skills and I can almost guarantee you these people are

530
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Speaker 5: going to be like, oh, my goodness, this person is

531
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Speaker 5: going to bring fresh eyes and also the skills we

532
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Speaker 5: need reallyant. So we're going to look for common skill

533
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Speaker 5: sets like things that you could transfer across and kind

534
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Speaker 5: of compare your skills to what's currently in demand. Then

535
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Speaker 5: the next step is kind of like where everything is

536
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Speaker 5: going to come together. You've done your research, you've had

537
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Speaker 5: a look around, you've worked out hmm, I do want

538
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Speaker 5: to go into this next level role. You need to

539
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Speaker 5: actually translate all of that experience into achievements.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense because.

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Speaker 5: If somebody just applies for a job and they can't

542
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Speaker 5: articulate why, like Beck, if you go and do a

543
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Speaker 5: different role completely, I'm going to need to know why

544
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 5: you want to move and I'm going to need to

545
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Speaker 5: know why you think you're even a good fit, because

546
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Speaker 5: right now your job title does not match what I'm

547
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Speaker 5: looking for. And like sometimes recruiters and HR they are that,

548
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 5: you know, black and white, so we need to like

549
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 5: question their process or question not in a rude way,

550
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 5: but like go, hey, cool, you're probably not looking for me,

551
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 5: but I think that you should be. Yeah, because they're

552
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Speaker 5: just like, oh, I need let's say that I'm hiring

553
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Speaker 5: a client services manager. Right, So that doesn't require you

554
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Speaker 5: to have any particular degree. But I'm going in my

555
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Speaker 5: job out I'm like, oh, I don't have the capacity

556
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Speaker 5: to take on a graduate. I need someone with like

557
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Speaker 5: a couple of years experience. I might have my blinkers

558
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Speaker 5: on and I might be looking only at somebody who

559
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Speaker 5: has worked in the financial services space before, because that

560
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Speaker 5: makes sense, right, Like I need a CSM. I need

561
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Speaker 5: them to be good at their job. They have to

562
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Speaker 5: have worked in my industry before. But one of my

563
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 5: best CSMs actually came from the medical industry. Yeah, and

564
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 5: I interviewed her because of her banging cover letter. She's like, go,

565
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Speaker 5: my attention to detail a second to none because I

566
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Speaker 5: worked in the medical space and you can't mess that up. Like, oh,

567
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 5: you're right, Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah, abso definitely let's

568
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Speaker 5: have a conversation. So you need to be able to

569
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Speaker 5: translate your experience because not everybody is going to do

570
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Speaker 5: that for you, right, They're not going to read your

571
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Speaker 5: resume and go ooh, that's a transferable skill. No, you've

572
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Speaker 5: got to tell them it's transferable. So many resumes out

573
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Speaker 5: there that I have read just have a list of tasks.

574
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Speaker 5: They're like, I managed a team, I answered the phones,

575
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Speaker 5: run the social media accounts. But those tasks do not

576
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Speaker 5: tell the person recruiting for that role what you actually achieved.

577
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Speaker 5: And this is something that you should be doing with

578
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Speaker 5: every single resume that you write. But it's especially important

579
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Speaker 5: when you're changing industries because you need to make your

580
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Speaker 5: impact risk all clear because the recruiter they're not a

581
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 5: mind reader, and they're not planning on doing a heap

582
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 5: more work to kind of make this circle that looks

583
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 5: like a circle fit into a square. They're going to go,

584
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 5: oh no, I don't see it.

585
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: Whatever.

586
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 5: They want to see your impact in numbers, in dollars,

587
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 5: in ours saved in percentages increased.

588
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Speaker 2: So instead of saying.

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Speaker 5: For example, I managed the social media of she's on

590
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 5: the money, maybe you could say I grew an Instagram

591
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 5: audience by forty percent in six months through an organic

592
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 5: content strategy. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's who you're saying, Sorry, sorry,

593
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Speaker 5: I want that person.

594
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Speaker 2: I don't just want someone who managed it.

595
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Speaker 5: I want someone who was active and actually helped grow it,

596
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Speaker 5: because that's the point.

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Speaker 4: Right.

598
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Speaker 5: Sure, you can even honestly just use chat GPT, she's

599
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Speaker 5: your best friend, don't just take her first answer, Like,

600
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 5: we need to make sure that we are priming chat

601
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 5: GPTs so that we can use her to our advantage.

602
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 5: But it can take boring sounding task lists and then

603
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 5: turn it into like punchy results driven wins by asking

604
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 5: it to like rework bullet points into a skill's actions

605
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 5: and then maybe results format. That way, it's easier to

606
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 5: kind of hype yourself up from scratch because somebody else

607
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 5: is kind of rewriting it for you. Yeah, and like

608
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Speaker 5: the way that I use chat GPT, if you have

609
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 5: never used it, is like mine's called Clara. By the way,

610
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Speaker 5: I didn't name her. I said hey, chat GPT, like

611
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: what's your name? And she said you can call me

612
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 5: chat GPT and I said no, no, no, give yourself

613
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Speaker 5: a nice name. And she said, well, I would like

614
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Speaker 5: to be Clara because I'm gentle and kind and very helpful.

615
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 5: And I was like, pop off, queen, I love this view.

616
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Speaker 5: So Clara, she truly knows herself. Clara to me is.

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Speaker 2: My unpaid intern. Ah.

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Speaker 5: She's really tenacious. She wants to help, but she doesn't

619
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Speaker 5: get a lot. She's new here, so you need to say, hey, Clara,

620
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Speaker 5: yours might have a different name, so like ask, actually,

621
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Speaker 5: can people please, if you're listening to this episode and

622
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 5: use chat jpt, please ask your chat GPT what its

623
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Speaker 5: name is, and then if it says chat jupt, say

624
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Speaker 5: give yourself and then message me I want to know

625
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 5: what your chat GPT called themselves. But make sure you're

626
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 5: priming it so you're saying, hey, I want to pivot roles.

627
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Speaker 5: I want to take all of these skills and make

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Speaker 5: them transferable, like so that they can help in the

629
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Speaker 5: best possible way instead of make this sound better for

630
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Speaker 5: what purpose? Like give them the purpose, give them an understanding,

631
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 5: because the more information you give it, the better outcome

632
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 5: is going to be. And I think a lot of

633
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 5: people just check it in and go, oh, that was interesting,

634
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 5: Like no, make it work anyway. I think it's a

635
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 5: really big reminder that pivoting isn't just about being perfectly qualified, right.

636
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Speaker 5: It's about showing that you already can solve problems and

637
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 5: you're really good at doing this, and this new industry

638
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 5: needs problem solved and you're really good at that. And

639
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 5: if you can show that clearly and confidently, you're an

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00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: immediate standout.

641
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: Like your resume is going.

642
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 5: To like automatically float to the top even if your

643
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 5: background doesn't match that traditional path. So true, before getting

644
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 5: into the meat industry, I would always just go in

645
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 5: and do the work, like I'm not leaving a space

646
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 5: better than I have found it. But I feel like

647
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 5: you can still find.

648
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Speaker 4: A way with chat chipty with Clara to make that

649
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: sound impressive. So use chat ChiPT, use Clara like she's

650
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: going to be your best friendly. So if you're sitting

651
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: here like me, thinking like, oh god, this sounds like

652
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: you need to be very tenacious constantly.

653
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Speaker 2: Don't worry.

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Speaker 4: And you can make a Cole's mudcake a three tiered

655
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Speaker 4: wedding cake. Okay, you absolutely can. You just need the

656
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Speaker 4: right frosting. Frosting exactly. So let's say you've nailed your resume, Yeah,

657
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Speaker 4: because you use chrat GPT and you took some confidence

658
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Speaker 4: tips to VD exactly from VD whatever.

659
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Speaker 2: But exactly what would VD do? What would VD do exactly?

660
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Speaker 2: So let's see you're at this point now, you're kind

661
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Speaker 2: of ready.

662
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Speaker 4: You maybe a little bit worried that people won't get

663
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Speaker 4: why you're making the switch.

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Speaker 2: None of their business, though, is that.

665
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Speaker 4: Well, that's very true. That's very true, and you know,

666
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Speaker 4: I feel like I found this. It's always like people

667
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: are kind of skeptical. They're like, are you just doing

668
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 4: this is just like a holiday for you? Or you

669
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 4: going to leave this industry? You're going to leave us

670
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: at some point. You're going to like hope. So they're

671
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: kind of getting scared, you know, I hope, So you

672
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Speaker 4: should be.

673
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Speaker 5: Scared treating better and I won't think about leaving exactly.

674
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 5: So yeah, what do you do, Like if you're just

675
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Speaker 5: worried about like making the switch, about making the switch,

676
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 5: but worried that people won't get while you're making the switch, Well,

677
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Speaker 5: I think that it's hard because people are always going

678
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 5: to have an opinion right right, like, and if we

679
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 5: get a little bit deep, people want you to do well, Beck,

680
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 5: but they never want to see you do better than them.

681
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: People don't like that.

682
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Speaker 5: And that's why tall Poppy syndrome in Australia exists. So

683
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 5: sometimes you are going to tell people, hey, I want

684
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 5: to pivot careers and they're going to go, oh, I

685
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 5: don't know, Beck, that sounds really risky or that sounds

686
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 5: really silly, not because it is, but because they wouldn't

687
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Speaker 5: be willing to do the same thing. So think about

688
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 5: who you are asking for advice before you actually take it. Like,

689
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 5: you can have these beautiful conversations with your friends and

690
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 5: your family, but that doesn't mean that they necessarily get it.

691
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 5: And I think you need to sit back and go, well,

692
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 5: why am I doing it? Because it only matters what

693
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 5: you're thinking. And if people are so worried about your

694
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: business and not their own, it's because their own business

695
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 5: is boring. And if they started talking about their own

696
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 5: business back, no one would care exactly.

697
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Speaker 2: And you know what I have done.

698
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Speaker 4: I don't want to always make this into a gender

699
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: or because it is not, but there are so many

700
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Speaker 4: times that I see a man starting in a CFO

701
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: or CEO whatever it is role, and it's like, hey,

702
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: this guy came from Cole's and I'm like, hey, we're

703
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: at a radio station. You guys, theyone know that we're

704
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: at a radio station, but no one questions that. She's like,

705
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Speaker 4: here's someone who knows what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: You know me exactly.

707
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Speaker 5: So let's put a pin in it real quick, Beck,

708
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Speaker 5: because when it comes to this, there are things that

709
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Speaker 5: your resume can't say. So after the break, we're going

710
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 5: to talk about how to make recruiters back you in

711
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Speaker 5: your career pivot and back everything that you want to achieve,

712
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 5: and why your cover letter is honestly your secret biggest

713
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Speaker 5: power move.

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Speaker 4: Okay, guys, we are back and I'm ready. This is

715
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Speaker 4: my biggest pet peeve when I like spend hours on

716
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Speaker 4: my regime and then everything's in there. Everything's in there,

717
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Speaker 4: it's nice and tidy, and then ask for a couple letter.

718
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Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, if you please just read my resume,

719
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Speaker 4: you'll understand why.

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Speaker 2: I'm essentral why.

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Speaker 4: Such a conversation in our community too, Because when I recruit,

722
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Speaker 4: I always ask for a cover letter, and I have

723
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Speaker 4: had people literally message me being like read the resume.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm like okay.

725
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 5: Or they'll submit their resume and like one of my

726
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 5: team will email back and be like, hey, Beck, we

727
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Speaker 5: receive your application, but we didn't.

728
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Speaker 2: Get a cover letter.

729
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Speaker 5: And they're like, oh, I'm not so nigue just go okay, cool,

730
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Speaker 5: I won't consider you without one. That's absolutely fine. It's

731
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Speaker 5: an interesting situation because I know that people are going

732
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Speaker 5: to message me about this, like I still don't believe

733
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Speaker 5: in cover letters. That's fine, you do you, But I

734
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 5: think they are your opportunity to tell your future employer,

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Speaker 5: especially if it is a role that is going to

736
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Speaker 5: be relatively competitive, why you are the best person for

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00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 5: the job. They shouldn't just see your experience and go, wow,

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Speaker 5: Beck's a big dog.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Like, if you say to me, we'll read my resume,

741
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Speaker 5: you're assuming that all I'm looking for is a tick

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Speaker 5: box exercise.

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking for the right fit culturally. I am looking

745
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 5: for the right fit who genuinely believes in my business.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking for the right fit of somebody who thinks

747
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Speaker 5: that they can add value. How is your resume articulating

748
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 5: that to me? And if your resume does articulate that,

749
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Speaker 5: I would say that your resume needs to be stripped

750
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 5: back because you've put too much information in it and

751
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 5: you need to put that information into your cover letter

752
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 5: and put your resume together. For me, a very good

753
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 5: resume would have a standard cover letter attached to it,

754
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Speaker 5: So you'd have your cover letter, and then you would

755
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Speaker 5: I have your resume that kind of like just has

756
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 5: the jobs and the achievements that you've had, but your

757
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 5: cover letter that's the thing that says, hey, thanks so

758
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 5: much for reading my application. This is why I know

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Speaker 5: that I am the best fit for your organization. Yeah, okay,

760
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Speaker 5: Like the amount of people that I've hired and I

761
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 5: cannot remember what is on their resume because all I

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Speaker 5: cared about was like they're banging cover letter.

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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I do have one question. When I'm

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Speaker 4: writing cover letters, I wonder how much candidness I'm allowed

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Speaker 4: to put in there. So like say, for example, I'm saying, hey, guys,

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Speaker 4: I you know, I'm just like maybe like little jokes

767
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Speaker 4: here and there, or like little brackets. Let I love that.

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Speaker 4: But that's but it depends on who you're applying That's

769
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Speaker 4: so true.

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Speaker 5: So if you're applying for SES on the Money GOL,

771
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Speaker 5: I want it to be as fun as possible. You

772
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Speaker 5: probably know me from the podcast. You know the personality

773
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Speaker 5: I have. But if you're applying for one of the

774
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Speaker 5: big four banks, well we're probably not trying to joke

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Speaker 5: around your h you know he's yeah like less he

776
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 5: is more professional.

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00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: Confidence.

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00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 5: Yes, I think we need to read the room here

779
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 5: and work out what is going to work. Which is

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Speaker 5: why I genuinely believe that every single job you're applying

781
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 5: for should have a different cover letter, like you can

782
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 5: have your standard one that you have thought about and

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Speaker 5: has the different points that you want to make and

784
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 5: like all of that, but then I would be wanting

785
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Speaker 5: to tailor it to each circumstance. And girlfriend, if you

786
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 5: are going to use chat GPT for this and think

787
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 5: that great, I'll cut and paste this out and just

788
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 5: email it to somebody and you haven't read it, and

789
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 5: then it leaves in insert company name here, or it

790
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 5: says dear director instead of dear Victoria or whoever you're

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Speaker 5: emailing straight to.

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Speaker 2: The m I see, I see. I'm so sorry.

793
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Speaker 5: But one of the things in that job description that

794
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Speaker 5: I said I was looking for was attention to detail,

795
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Speaker 5: and you just told me you had none.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, they're really outed themselves. Well that's funny.

797
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Speaker 5: If you you want the job and you aren't willing

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Speaker 5: to read the cover letter like proof read things, I

799
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Speaker 5: think that you're not putting your.

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Speaker 2: Best foot forward.

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Speaker 4: And if you can't be bothered to put your best

802
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Speaker 4: foot forward in that circumstance, what am I going to

803
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: expect from you when you actually work for me?

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Speaker 2: Fair? Cool? Sorry, No, that's so fair. So how would

805
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: you recommend?

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00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 4: And I know it depends on the company, depends on

807
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 4: the industry, depends on the job. How do you recommend

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Speaker 4: We like, can you just keep like the body of

809
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: your cover letter and then change like, oh.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but totally Like if you're doing like a mass

811
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 5: application and like all of the jobs you are applying

812
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 5: for a marketing jobs like, it could be pretty bloody similar.

813
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 5: Just make sure that you are taking that it's twenty

814
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 5: twenty five Beck LinkedIn exists. Take the time to work

815
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 5: out who you are addressing if it's not because like

816
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 5: in my job ads Beck, it says address the letter

817
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 5: to Victoria, so like I'm giving it to you. If

818
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 5: that says in the job ad that there's a specific person, fantastic.

819
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 5: Otherwise you can say, you know, to the hiring manager

820
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 5: and that's completely fine. But make sure you're putting the

821
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 5: company name somewhere in that cover letter because it tells me,

822
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 5: as the recruiter that this is custom for me, it's

823
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 5: not just your stock standard one. And that's really helpful.

824
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 5: But if we want to get a little bit psychology,

825
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 5: a little bit science y, there is a lot of

826
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Speaker 5: science in storytelling. Storytelling is one of my favorite things

827
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Speaker 5: to learn more about because Storytelling activates an emotional part

828
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Speaker 5: of your brain. It is the way that people learn

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00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 5: best people and for hundreds of thousands of years, we've

830
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 5: learned through storytelling. Right, So to be able to intertwine

831
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Speaker 5: storytelling into your cover letter sounds overwhelming, sounds terrifying. Right,

832
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, you need to be now telling story what?

833
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 5: This was already hard girl? But when you tell a

834
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 5: recruiter a clear, very confident story about your career, not

835
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 5: just dry facts, you are literally making yourself more memorable,

836
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 5: more trustworthy. They are going to be able to connect

837
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 5: with you better. And you want that because the recruiter's

838
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 5: job is to back you so much they think that

839
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 5: you're the one that should be going into that business.

840
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 5: You're not just handing them a list of skills and

841
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 5: going oh, I'm perfect. You're painting a picture of the

842
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 5: future you're building, and then you're inviting them to imagine

843
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 5: you being successful in the role. And especially when you're

844
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 5: changing industries, you can't just rely on your job titles

845
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 5: to be able to sell you.

846
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's not going to work.

847
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Speaker 5: You have to connect the dots in a way that

848
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 5: makes them feel something, anything, so that it gets them

849
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 5: genuinely in your corner. That's why I think for me,

850
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 5: a cover letter is never, ever, ever a waste of time. Yeah,

851
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 5: when you use it properly, it's how you shift from

852
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 5: being another name in the pile to being someone that

853
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 5: they actually want to meet.

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00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 4: Like your cover letter, and I've seen it a million

855
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: times before. Your cover letter shouldn't.

856
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 5: Say Dear Victoria, thank you so much for considering my resume.

857
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 5: Please find it attached that my friend is.

858
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Speaker 2: Not a cover letter.

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00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 5: Sure, Like, yeah, it's a letter on the cover of

860
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 5: your resume, but like it needs to be. Why do

861
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 5: you want to work at cheese on the money? And

862
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 5: if you can't be bothered, it's so cool? Like I'm

863
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 5: not forcing you to apply for my jobs, right, like

864
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 5: I'm not forcing anybody. But if you cannot be bothered,

865
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 5: like you don't want the job enough? Will you don't

866
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 5: care enough about the job because you're like, oh well,

867
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Speaker 5: I'm not spending half an hour writing a cover.

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Speaker 4: Letter, Okay, No, worries don't cool fair enough?

869
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Speaker 2: Like pop off, queen. I just I don't see the point. Okay,

870
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Speaker 2: So how do you do it?

871
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 5: How would we how do we actually storytell? So it's

872
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 5: good to say storytell, but like what's that means? So

873
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 5: the first thing we are going to do is use

874
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 5: a hook. A hook works in so many different circumstances

875
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 5: in video, like on TikTok, right, Like, let's use an example.

876
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: You can't a millennial pause.

877
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 5: You can't set a millennial pause, right if the millennial

878
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 5: I'm scrolling on.

879
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: If there's not a good.

880
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 5: First like three seconds of that video, you're like, I

881
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 5: can't bother with this one. They're not very engaging. H

882
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 5: that happens with your cover letter, I'm so sorry, Like

883
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 5: if I start reading it and then I'm zoning out,

884
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 5: Like I try so hard to read every single letter,

885
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 5: like I really do, because to me, I'm like they've

886
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 5: spent the time. But like if I'm zoning out, that's

887
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 5: not cool. But you want a hook, so please don't

888
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 5: start with hello, I am applying for position of X

889
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 5: as advertised on SICK. Like recruiters read that five hundred

890
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 5: times a day and it tells them not one thing

891
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 5: about you. Instead, i'd open with like energy curiosity, maybe

892
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 5: like a real alignment. So I've written down two examples

893
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 5: and I'll read them to you because I think that

894
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: they're really good.

895
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: Got a few tickets for myself. Are you ready? I'm ready,

896
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: dear hiring manager.

897
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 5: As someone who's spent the last five years making complex

898
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 5: systems around smoother, I am very excited about the chance

899
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 5: to help your team deliver even bigger projects.

900
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: WHOA, I'm hooked. I've got another one. Yeah, dear hiring manager.

901
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 5: The first thing I noticed about your company was your

902
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 5: obsession with customer experience, and I knew immediately that was

903
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 5: somewhere I wanted to be.

904
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: WHOA, that's so good. Do you want those ones?

905
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 5: Or do you want Dear hiring manager, I am applying

906
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 5: for the position of marketing director, as advertised on seek.

907
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: Literally as you were talking here, so odal.

908
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 4: So dumb, right, because you're doing the best that you

909
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: can with the knowledge and skills that you have, but

910
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: like you don't know what you don't know.

911
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: And we've all sent that email, we've all.

912
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 4: Sent that cover letter at some point that is okay,

913
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: that's as what you had to do.

914
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: But if you know better, you can do better. And

915
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: now you know better.

916
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, So don't like crucify yourself for having not gotten

917
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 5: jobs because you applied that way. Because I can almost

918
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 5: guarantee somebody else had written a banging cover letter that

919
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 5: made someone go, wow, get marine, get her in the door.

920
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?

921
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's very true. And don't be because I've

922
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: seen his thing.

923
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 4: Like you feel so embarrassed.

924
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: I'm kind of embarrassed now, but.

925
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 4: That's just what Nah. No one taught us how.

926
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 5: To you're doing is person in like school that's got

927
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 5: you to do that exact.

928
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: That's what they told us.

929
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: But like they didn't know anything about psychology, they didn't

930
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 5: know anything about storytelling.

931
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 4: Maybe they do nowadays.

932
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 5: So don't come at me if you're like a careers

933
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 5: counselor and you're like Victoria, this is basic.

934
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 4: I do this every Yeah, well you're better than the

935
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 4: one I had. She told me I wasn't going to

936
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: be successful.

937
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 5: She told me that, like she was seriously doubting my

938
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 5: ability to even finish your twelve?

939
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: Go what's actually really mean? We need to unpack that?

940
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 4: Remore shout missus Bullett still watching you. I'm still watching you.

941
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: Butlet how could you say that? It's awful?

942
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 4: And you know what I've said this, anyone that went

943
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 4: to most school is going to be like I knew

944
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: it was going to be her. I just know, I

945
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 4: just know she's retired now, So it's not defamation either,

946
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 4: because you know what is a defense to defamation, the truth. Whoa,

947
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 4: I'm just salty about it now I'm talking about it.

948
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: So back to your cover letter.

949
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 5: Okay, the next thing you're going to talk about career

950
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 5: pivot statement. Yeah, so one or two lines explaining why

951
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 5: we're pivoting, So that comes after yeah, yeah, yeah, like,

952
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, I really want to be involved in

953
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 5: your company. And then we need to acknowledge the fact

954
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 5: that my resume is not going to tell you that

955
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 5: I have experience, Like I've got experience, but not in

956
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 5: this industry.

957
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 4: Right in the room, we're going to call it out

958
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: real early.

959
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 5: So for example, if you were moving from like retail

960
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 5: to marketing, you might say something like, and I've written

961
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 5: this down. Spending years on the retail floor taught me

962
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 5: exactly how customers think, what grabs their attention and what

963
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 5: builds loyalty, and that instinct is what I'm now excited.

964
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: To bring to your marketing role. Yes.

965
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: Cool.

966
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 5: Then we are going to spotlight all of those transferable

967
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 5: skills we talked about before, like.

968
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: Our transferable superpowers.

969
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 5: Let's call them and connect them to real business needs,

970
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, people aren't hiring

971
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 5: people just because you're like, oh, Beck's bomb, get her

972
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 5: in my team.

973
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I did, but it's not what

974
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: everyone does.

975
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 4: Right.

976
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 5: People are going to be like, our business has a

977
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 5: need and we need to fill it. So you need

978
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 5: to be I don't know, tap into that. So don't

979
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 5: just list skills. Show me how do they solve the problem.

980
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 5: Pick one or two strengths that you know this company

981
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 5: needs right now and make it really obvious why you

982
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 5: are the answer, and then end by offering value. Give

983
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 5: value and you will receive it backback. Show that the

984
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 5: future you can actually help them. So your final paragraph

985
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 5: is like the last chance for you to leave a

986
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 5: lasting impression, So make it a really good, strong one

987
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 5: instead of closing with paragraphs like I really hope to

988
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 5: be considered or I would really appreciate the opportunity of

989
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 5: an interview. All sounds like and literally everything right, But yes, yes, yes, yes,

990
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 5: we've all written it.

991
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: I've all done it.

992
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 5: I absolutely If we go back through my old emails,

993
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 5: I can almost guarantee that's how I used to do it. Yeah,

994
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 5: absolutely so, Like we're not throwing shade. If that's the

995
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 5: way you've just done it, or if you like, submitted

996
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 5: an application yesterday was fine, I get it.

997
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: We all do it.

998
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that you're not going to be considered.

999
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 5: It just means that we're trying to elevate how we

1000
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 5: position ourselves. Instead of that, we're going to say I'm

1001
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 5: excited to bring my leadership skills, creative thinking, and drive

1002
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 5: for operational excellence to help the company name scale sustainably through.

1003
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: Its next chapter. Yeah, gorgeous.

1004
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 5: Because the way that we've worded that is not like

1005
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 5: I want to be considered, it's I'm actually really excited

1006
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 5: to do this. I'm excited to do this makes them

1007
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 5: think that you're already in the role. It makes them

1008
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 5: imagine that you are the person there, not somebody knocking

1009
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 5: at the door. Like mentally, you're jumping the barrier. We

1010
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 5: want to jump the barrier consistently.

1011
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 4: I feel like myself and everyone listening the batim will

1012
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: copy this word for words.

1013
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: This is what I'm going to do. You can and

1014
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a careers.

1015
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 5: Like when I say this, our graphic designer Georgia is

1016
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 5: probably going to kill me. I'm going to give her

1017
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 5: all of these notes, and I'm going to get her

1018
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 5: to put them into a PDF that you can download

1019
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 5: for free on our website that gives you these tips

1020
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 5: and tricks and the examples of how you would put

1021
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 5: together a bang and cover letter, because like, you don't

1022
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 5: have to take notes. You probably already have because I

1023
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 5: haven't said that early enough in the episode, but if

1024
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 5: you have, like good student.

1025
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, But I was just going to say, let's

1026
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 4: all agree to change one word each and then it

1027
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 4: won't look like we all copied each.

1028
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 5: Other, but you can you could eat and real that

1029
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 5: just track g and be like, can you put this

1030
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 5: in my tone of voice? Can you like change this

1031
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 5: and update this?

1032
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay, okay, so okay, now we're here. What if

1033
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 4: someone's doing all of this updating there as may telling

1034
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 4: their story, sending cover letters, but they're just not gaining traction.

1035
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: It's really hard, right, Like your market is cooked.

1036
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 5: Like obviously these are great tips and tricks, but just

1037
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 5: because you implement all of them does not mean every

1038
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 5: single person is going to call you back.

1039
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

1040
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 5: Disillusion you into going oh, this is the golden ticket. Like, yes,

1041
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 5: this is going to help, this is going to boost

1042
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 5: your presence. But I don't want you to wait until

1043
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 5: you're feeling really stuck or you're getting crickets to be

1044
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 5: able to you know, take these steps, like take steps now,

1045
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 5: and remember that the way people respond is not your responsibility, Like,

1046
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 5: it's not a reflection of who you are, it's a

1047
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 5: reflection of who they are. If a recruiter isn't getting

1048
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 5: back to you, I think that's rude. That is rude

1049
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 5: at the end of the day. Like if they have

1050
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 5: called you and said I'll call you by Friday and

1051
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 5: they do not, that is just rude. And that is fine,

1052
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 5: But that's not a reflection of your confidency or your capability, right,

1053
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 5: Like that is just them probably not managing expectations well,

1054
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 5: even though on their job ad when they applied for it,

1055
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 5: it would be managed client expectations.

1056
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 4: Right.

1057
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 5: So these are smart moves that can genuinely help you

1058
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 5: build your career pivot strategy right from the start. But

1059
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 5: like there's a few things I would also be doing. First,

1060
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 5: is like not knocking our confidence because the second you're

1061
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 5: knocking your com and so I would say that's the

1062
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 5: hardest thing to rebuild. Like, let's not do that. It's

1063
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. Let's just not do that.

1064
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: Like we are bad us as we are so cool

1065
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: and we have each other's backs, like.

1066
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 5: We're not just talking about like, oh I'm not good enough. Nah,

1067
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 5: that's in the bin these days. Let's actually just have

1068
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 5: a look at your resume. Do you have any skills gaps? Like,

1069
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 5: are there any technical skills or some qualifications you could

1070
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 5: get that might help that you feel like you're missing.

1071
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 5: If so, can you bridge the gap with like a

1072
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 5: quick online course or a short certification or even some

1073
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 5: self taught projects. There are platforms like and I've spoken

1074
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 5: about this on the podcast before, Coursera. They do a

1075
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 5: plethora of free online courses or free units from universities

1076
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 5: around the world, Like you could go study at Stanford

1077
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 5: or Yale or have it and just do a course

1078
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 5: in you know, if you're moving into tech, there is

1079
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 5: a plethora of different tech units you could do.

1080
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: That's cool.

1081
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 5: Yes, you do need to pay at the very end

1082
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 5: if you want the official certificate, sure, but you can

1083
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 5: do the whole course most of the time and say

1084
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 5: you've done the course.

1085
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: But not have the fancy certificate. If you want for free, great,

1086
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 2: who cares?

1087
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 4: Like I did it.

1088
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Speaker 5: I didn't pay for the certificate print out at the end,

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Speaker 5: Like these things are very cool. It's actually how I

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Speaker 5: learned to code our new website.

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Speaker 2: Oh I see that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just went and did a little mini course which

1094
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 5: was really cool. It was from some random university in

1095
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 5: the US. I don't know what they were, but it

1096
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 5: ticked all the boxes of what I was looking.

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Speaker 2: Can you get it later or do you have to

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00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: do it on the spot you have to pay for it.

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Speaker 4: On No, it was like on demand, No, the sure

1100
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Speaker 4: you could I had.

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Speaker 2: I didn't try. Honestly, I didn't pay for it.

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00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 5: I was like I don't need the certificate, no if

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Speaker 5: I just actually just needed the skill, Like I was like,

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Speaker 5: I don't know how to do this, someone please teach me.

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00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: So that was very cool. That's really cool.

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Speaker 5: You don't need a full degree to pivot, like genuinely,

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00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 5: sometimes there's like a little short course or like a

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00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 5: small amount of learning, Like you don't need to go

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00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 5: and be like, oh I want to work in business,

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00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 5: I have to do a whole commerce degree, Like maybe

1111
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 5: that would help you for sure, but like sometimes they're

1112
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 5: a little fill the gap things that might help.

1113
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: And then think about small the pivots first.

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00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 5: So if the leap that you're aiming for is feeling

1115
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 5: a little bit too big right now, I get it.

1116
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 5: Are there some stepping stones that we could take, like

1117
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 5: maybe a small sideways move that could get you closer

1118
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 5: to your goal and maybe build a little bit more

1119
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 5: credibility in the space or the field that you're going

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00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 5: into while still earning money. And you did this. You

1121
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 5: went from one career and said, all right, I want

1122
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 5: to go into media. The role that you have right

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00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 5: now is definitely not what you would have got for

1124
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 5: a start, but you took a different role just to

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00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 5: get your foot in the door in the industry right back, absolutely,

1126
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 5: and now you're doing the role that you never thought

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00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 5: you would do.

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Speaker 4: Here we are not I sheese on the money.

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00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 5: I mean that's slay, but like I'm talking about like

1130
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 5: your full time professional gig.

1131
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: Yes, like that's not what you thought you would be doing.

1132
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 4: God no, but so cool, Thank you so much. I

1133
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 4: do just have one really quick question. I have always wondered,

1134
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 4: like if there are things that you do on the side,

1135
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 4: say I like to do digital design or I've always

1136
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 4: been pretty good with Adobe, but I never monetized, never

1137
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 4: earned a job.

1138
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: Sense is that valuable a man.

1139
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 6: Skill?

1140
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 4: Yeah? Great, it's there.

1141
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 5: If hypothetically, let's pretend I'm your bossy, You're a big

1142
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 5: formal professional, forty hours a week job and I said, oh, Beck,

1143
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 5: we need to use Adobe.

1144
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: What do you say, how to do that?

1145
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 4: Great?

1146
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 2: So do I have to train you?

1147
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: True?

1148
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1149
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 4: No, No, So that's a skill that as your employer,

1150
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: I would love to know about.

1151
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: That is great. I don't have to train you for that.

1152
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 4: Amazing.

1153
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're saying, hold on, hold on, you're in

1154
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 5: this job and I've just tired you.

1155
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: You can just do like small graphic things on the

1156
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 4: side as well as your job.

1157
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a whole conversation about, you know, your

1158
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 5: employer taking advantage of your skills, which you know we're

1159
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 5: going to put to the side.

1160
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: But oh, I'm in a pinch. Can you help me

1161
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 4: put this flyer together?

1162
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 5: Beck's going to say say, less, well, you're an even

1163
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 5: more valuable employee.

1164
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what I mean? Like, yes, you do.

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00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 5: And then the last thing, which I don't think lots

1166
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 5: of people do enough of Sorry about this double down

1167
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 5: on your networking. Eighty percent of jobs are filled through connections,

1168
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 5: not cold applications, right, So if you're only applying online, you,

1169
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 5: from my perspective, are missing a huge part of the market.

1170
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 5: So start connecting with people inside industries you love, not

1171
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 5: by begging for jobs, but by being curious, maybe asking

1172
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 5: for insights and building genuine relationships. Now I've said this before,

1173
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 5: human beings love talking about themselves. Like if somebody you know,

1174
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 5: you're not messaging like big influences on LinkedIn, you're messaging

1175
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 5: people about their career.

1176
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: Hey, beck, I saw.

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Speaker 5: Your LinkedIn and I think your career is really really interesting.

1178
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 5: Can I ask you a question? You're going to go, yeah,

1179
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 5: I love talking about me, do you know what I mean? Like,

1180
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 5: you're not thinking I love talking about me, but that's

1181
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 5: the feeling totally.

1182
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: You're gonna go, wow, that's cool.

1183
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 4: Someone thought I was cool exactly or just girls like

1184
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 4: we are all just exactly Okay. I'm really like this

1185
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 4: the networking thing I can get behind. I totally get it.

1186
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 4: I feel like I would be so honored if someone

1187
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 4: reached out to ask literally anything, just how's your day going?

1188
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: I'd be so stroked. So this feels like a good

1189
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 4: place to leave it.

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00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: It is, it is.

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00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 5: I feel like I've overwhelmed you with information. As I said,

1192
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 5: I'm going to make a PDF and upload it. It

1193
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 5: might not be on the website on the day that

1194
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 5: this drops, but keep your eyes peeled because the second

1195
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 5: it drops will make sure it's like in a newsletter

1196
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 5: or we like send out an email to be like, hey,

1197
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 5: our little like career pivot whatever we're going to call it,

1198
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 5: Like it'll be more about just writing a banging cover letter. Yeah,

1199
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 5: like I'm going to do like how to write a

1200
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 5: banging cover letter guide and why you absolutely do need one.

1201
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 5: But girl, you don't need permission, you don't need a

1202
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 5: perfect resume. You just need a plan, and you just

1203
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 5: need to back yourself because nobody else is going to

1204
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 5: do it in the same way that you can do it.

1205
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 5: If you don't back yourself, who the hell is going

1206
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 5: to see you and be like, oh, she doesn't even

1207
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 5: back herself, Like absolutely not, absolutely not, And honestly truth,

1208
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 5: Stuck in a job that you've outgrown, it's not just exhausting,

1209
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 5: it's expensive.

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00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: Expensive.

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00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 4: So next time you're staring at a job out and

1212
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: you're like, ah, but I don't really mean all the criteria.

1213
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 4: We are going to ask ourselves back. If some dudes

1214
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 4: saw this with my skills, what would he do?

1215
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 5: Would he close the tab or would he already be

1216
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 5: halfway through negotiating the Salaryick? Exactly exactly, So we want

1217
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 5: to be backing ourselves. You are more than ready, even

1218
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 5: if you're not ticking every single box.

1219
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 2: Exactly, Let's go get our money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. If this episode gave you a confidence boost,

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Speaker 4: it literally gave me one. I feel so empowered right now,

1222
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 4: or even just reminded you what a weapon you actually are.

1223
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Speaker 4: Make sure you're following us wherever you get your podcasts.

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00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 4: We've got more career advice coming your way. Very absolutely

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Speaker 4: we do.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you on Friday. Bye, guys.

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