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Speaker 1: It's a Happy Families podcast with doctor Justin Kilson, where

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Speaker 1: Luke and Susie parents of three little boys.

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Speaker 2: And this is the podcast for those of us who

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Speaker 2: are time poor parents.

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Speaker 3: Just one answers now and in a digital age, we

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Speaker 3: can think that the worst thing for our kids is

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Speaker 3: for them to constantly be in front of devices. But

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Speaker 3: do we think very much about how it's impacting them

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Speaker 3: for us to be in front of our device?

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately that's all we've got time for, so we

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Speaker 1: have to stop that topic. We're not going to the

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Speaker 1: expert doctor Justinkilson from Happy Families dot com.

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Speaker 2: Are you I avoid? I try to avoid you, not because.

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Speaker 1: You're wonderful, but I've got a feeling that I might

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Speaker 1: be convicted of something here.

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Speaker 2: Talk to us about how.

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Speaker 4: I won't point anything, as I promise I let Susie

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Speaker 1: So the thing is, we do spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: time saying, oh those kids these days, all they do

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Speaker 1: is they use devices and they don't get outside and play.

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Speaker 2: What kind of an example do we set?

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Speaker 4: I was at a school in Melbourne just a couple

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Speaker 4: of months ago giving a talk on having a healthy

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Speaker 4: digital diet, and I was waiting for all the parents

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Speaker 4: so that I could talk to them. And I had

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Speaker 4: I actually I decided to go for a walk out

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Speaker 4: sitting in cars. They'd arrived early, and rather than coming

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Speaker 4: on a seat nearby, or just enjoying the peace and

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Speaker 4: quiet before I began speaking, they were sitting in their

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Speaker 4: cars on their phones, checking emails, checking Facebook statuses, playing

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Speaker 4: Candy Crush a Pokemon Go. And I thought, isn't this

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Speaker 4: ironic that everyone wants to know how to get the

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Speaker 4: kids off their devices, But as parents, we are not

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Speaker 4: necessarily the best exam ever.

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Speaker 1: No, usually quite terrible. And I'm guilty of that. But

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Speaker 1: having said that, let me tell you something that I've

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Speaker 1: through a similar phase where instead of saying I love you, daddy,

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Speaker 2: And he's having a joke.

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Speaker 1: And he's constantly telling me he doesn't love me, and

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Speaker 1: that no, he doesn't want to go with me, and no,

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Speaker 1: they went through it. But with this boy, I noticed

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Speaker 1: he was I love you, daddy, and hugs and cuddles

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Speaker 4: You've given me all warm fuzzies and good so at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, research is telling is convincingly

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Speaker 4: and we need to do much better. You know, you

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Speaker 4: can tell that you might have a problem with your devices,

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Speaker 4: impact of this is negative all round. It's not like

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Speaker 4: it affects one group. Well, actually it does affect children

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Speaker 4: but the impact is significant and we've just got to

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Speaker 4: do better for our sake and for our kid's sake.

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Speaker 3: We're talking to doctor Justin Coulson from Heavyfamilies dot com

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Speaker 3: dot au about the impact of parents' use of screen time,

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Speaker 3: let alone with our kids. I want to start talking

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Speaker 3: solutions next more with doctor Justin Colson on the way.

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Speaker 6: It's the Happy Families Podcast with doctor Justin Coulson.

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Speaker 2: And we've been talking about you.

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Speaker 1: Often will say to kids these days, all they do

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Speaker 2: Choose to use our devices? So what sort of an

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Speaker 1: And that's a bit of a convicting thing for us

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Speaker 1: talking about solutions, Doctor Justin, I feel like not that

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Speaker 1: we've done this in this conversation so far, but so

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Speaker 2: Is it the tech that's to blame.

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Speaker 4: I think that technology is generally neutral. It's up to

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Speaker 4: the content. That is what we're looking at. So we

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Speaker 1: I just want to establish that we're not tech bashing.

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Speaker 4: And ultimately, technology is a choice. I had just rammed

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Speaker 4: But this is not good. So she put it away.

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Speaker 1: Oh? And that there no need to wrap that conversation up.

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Speaker 1: We understand that very well. Our guest is doctor.

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Speaker 2: Little Girl Justin Kilson from Happy Families dot com. I

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Speaker 2: us thank you so much for your perspective.

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Speaker 4: I love talking to you guys.

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Speaker 6: And of course there are loads of resources available, lots

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