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Speaker 1: Sophie Torbor. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fetch Thank you, Welcome back everyone. Now,

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Speaker 1: what an absolutely crazy past week it's been for us

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Speaker 1: with our podcast. But something has tipped my interest more

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Speaker 1: than the craziness of this week. It is in fact,

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Speaker 1: our good friends very very strange food combination. Now, Amy,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us about it? Well, we had one

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Speaker 1: I've actually heard of it before, but I've never eaten it,

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Speaker 1: but then he would put like cherry ripe with apricots,

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Speaker 1: Outspoken the podcast community and we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: Day Tunci has sparked debate about influencers and brand relationships

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Speaker 1: because most men are too scared to even be someone's

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Speaker 1: boyfriend sperm Donut dot com. Well, this is a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a sad one that has a happy ending,

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Speaker 1: and I was quite shocked. I was scrolling through Snapchat

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Speaker 1: just earlier and I said, We've got to include this

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Speaker 1: in our reality rap, which is of course Arge from

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Speaker 1: The Only Way Is Essex. Now he has revealed he

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Speaker 1: has had a cocaine addiction for the last seven years.

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Speaker 1: Now it kind of gives a reason to his fluctuating

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Speaker 1: weight because I think he would go on binges with

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Speaker 1: food after he would have a big night on drugs.

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Speaker 1: And it got to the point where he's actually dating

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Speaker 1: Gemma Collins from toy Hehr I Bloody Love, and I

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Speaker 1: actually didn't realize they were still dating because he's never

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Speaker 1: in her Instagram stories, so she posts a lot. I've

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Speaker 1: been very often on haven't they because he also dated Lydia,

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Speaker 1: who was on Toe as well, But it seems like

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Speaker 1: Jemma has been a great support to him. Was interesting

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Speaker 1: you point out Lydia because he actually said that the

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Speaker 1: reason they broke up was because of his drug history,

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Speaker 1: which makes sense because it always seemed like there was

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Speaker 1: something that they couldn't talk about on Towy obviously they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to talk about this on air. It's sad though,

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Speaker 1: because his confession comes after I suppose a lot of

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Speaker 1: celebrity deaths in the UK, and he did say he

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Speaker 1: feared he was going to be the next celebrity who

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Speaker 1: did die. Well, the good news is that Mark Wright,

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Speaker 1: his best friend Mark we Love, came in and saved

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Speaker 1: the day because Arj said his lowest point was when

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Speaker 1: he was eating a kebab alone on Christmas and you

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Speaker 1: can just imagine how is that that would be, and

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Speaker 1: he messaged Mark saying he needed help. So of course

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Speaker 1: Mark booked him into a boot camp in Thailand and

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Speaker 1: he has made huge progress. He looks incredible now. He's

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Speaker 1: dropped so much weight and he just looks happier and healthier.

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Speaker 1: What I loved best about the photo of him out

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Speaker 1: on a run and he'd lost all this weight was

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Speaker 1: the fact he was wearing a Gemma Collins T shirt

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Speaker 1: and it said mood on it. Like, I've seen these

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Speaker 1: all over the internet. I really want one because she's

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Speaker 1: selling them. It's during io and it's got all her

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Speaker 1: famous quotes, so it's like I'm clostrophied. Big Darren on

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Speaker 1: a serious note that I think it's so brave of

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Speaker 1: him to actually come out and speak about this because

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Speaker 1: hopefully it will inspire someone else to change as well.

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Speaker 1: She's the least exciting to look at. Okay, we've got

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Speaker 1: a question time, and we're going to put this out

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Speaker 1: on our community to see what everyone else thinks. That

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Speaker 1: we're going to have a quick chat about what we

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Speaker 1: think about it now. Now, this is quite an awkward one,

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Speaker 1: and it's one of those ones where you're deep stalking

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Speaker 1: and you notice something and then you're like, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty sad that I noticed it. Amy, you were the

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Speaker 1: one that I was going to say, I've got to

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Speaker 1: confess it was me that noticed. I was on a

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Speaker 1: quite well known male influencers page and for some reason

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Speaker 1: I went into his tagged section and I saw a

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Speaker 1: campaign he recently did for Valentine's Day with another It

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Speaker 1: wasn't an influencer, it was a model, I think, a

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Speaker 1: wanna be influencer. Anyway, I clicked on her page and

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Speaker 1: I noticed he had been liking all her photos, which

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Speaker 1: is fine if you're single, but this guy's got a girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, wow, i'd be pretty annoyed they're in

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Speaker 1: quite a public relationship as well. So yeah, so what

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Speaker 1: do you guys think about that? Though? Because when I

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Speaker 1: mentioned it to you, you guys said, you often see

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Speaker 1: this same male influencer's name popping up on bikini photos

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Speaker 1: of other sort of well known people. Well the other

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Speaker 1: yes that, but also the shocking thing is he never

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Speaker 1: actually seems to like his own girlfriend's photos. Really, that

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Speaker 1: is I hate when people do that. I kind of

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Speaker 1: feel like that's a very controlling thing to do, to

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Speaker 1: be like, I'm giving my public attention to this person,

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Speaker 1: but you have to work for it. Well, I actually

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Speaker 1: felt bad for his girlfriend. I was like, wow, that's

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Speaker 1: pretty embarrassing and it's also pretty mean to do, because

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. Why can't guys just look at

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Speaker 1: the photo, like why they have to leave their call

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Speaker 1: car by like it? And I think if your boyfriend

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Speaker 1: is a model and he's working with other models, there

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Speaker 1: would already be that insecurity there of them following each other. Also,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it doesn't mean just because a

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Speaker 1: guy likes another person's posts, it doesn't really mean there's

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Speaker 1: anything sinister going on. But I did notice that it

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Speaker 1: was literally every single post and they were also, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's videos of people dancing around the bikinis and just

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Speaker 1: general lauringeria bikini shots. I kind of think you can

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Speaker 1: you can like posts of them, but don't like the

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Speaker 1: revealing one. Well, I suppose the funny thing is about

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Speaker 1: this whole situation is the whole way this influencer and

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Speaker 1: his influencer girlfriend met was through Instagram dms. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the old saying is that someone will go on like

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Speaker 1: lots of your photos and then suddenly slide into your dms.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's why this picked out interest. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna pop this question into our podcast community so we

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Speaker 1: can get your view on the topic and maybe let

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Speaker 1: us know if your boyfriend or friend's boyfriends have been

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Speaker 1: doing this, or if there's any other influences you've seen

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Speaker 1: to them. Please give it a thumbs up, give it

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Speaker 1: a life because it really supports my channel. Now onto

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Speaker 1: Awkward Turtle and Kate, You've got a pretty funny story

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Speaker 1: to share. Well, I certainly found it funny. We did

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Speaker 1: test this out on Sophie and she said we couldn't

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Speaker 1: share it, but we are. We are going to share it.

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Speaker 1: Then we find it that funny Okay, well I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you anyway awkward. Yeah. So I was at a

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Speaker 1: hairhouse warehouse peak up some conditioner because my hair was

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Speaker 1: so bloody dry by say life and anyway, I went

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Speaker 1: to the counter and I passed it over to the

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Speaker 1: lady who was really lovely and bubbly, and I am,

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Speaker 1: you know, getting my card out, and she opens the

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Speaker 1: bottle of my conditioner and smells it and I kind

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Speaker 1: of was looking and I was just sort of like,

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Speaker 1: I'm just not going to say anything. And then the

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Speaker 1: sales assistant next to her goes, did you just sniff

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Speaker 1: the conditioner? I was like, making a really big deal

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Speaker 1: about it, and I was like ah, And then I

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Speaker 1: heard this whole big story about how she has to

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Speaker 1: sniff everything that she sells because she loves smelling different things.

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Speaker 1: What made it even more awkward was when I joined you, oh,

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Speaker 1: because I then met Mum and Amy outside because they'd

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Speaker 1: been in big w and then Amy's like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: might get some conditioner, and you know, when you just

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Speaker 1: had the awkward encounter with someone and then you have

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Speaker 1: to go back, and I said, as a joke, oh,

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Speaker 1: I want to see if you sniff my sister's condition.

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Speaker 1: It was so awkward. I was like, oh you can,

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Speaker 1: you can sniff mine? And then I was like my

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Speaker 1: bottle and then she's like, oh, sniffed your sisters, and

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Speaker 1: it just there was a lot of bad to back

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Speaker 1: and forth. Okay, now, Sophie, she's also got an awkward

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Speaker 1: turtle story. Well, I feel like I wouldn't be an

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Speaker 1: awkward turtle segment without some of my important embarrassing moments.

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Speaker 1: So the other day I went to Zambrero's and just

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Speaker 1: for a bit of background, growing up, our mum really

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Speaker 1: couldn't pronounce Mexican food properly. No offence, mum, and so

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Speaker 1: she would pronounce it taco instead of taco, and nachos

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Speaker 1: instead of nacho. So I automatically say these words wrong anyway,

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Speaker 1: So I'm winding up thinking, okay, don't pronounce it wrong,

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Speaker 1: don't pronounce it wrong. So I get up there and

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Speaker 1: I say, can I have three taco And then I

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Speaker 1: stopped myself and said three tacos? And he responds, would

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Speaker 1: you like a soft or hard one? And I was

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Speaker 1: just kind of felt really awkward and giggled, and I said,

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Speaker 1: oh hard please. I also giggled because I was next

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Speaker 1: to her, and then, to make it worse, he couldn't

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Speaker 1: hear me, so then he said again, oh, sorry, a

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Speaker 1: hard one or a soft one? And then I had

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Speaker 1: to repeat yes, a hard one. And I just feel

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Speaker 1: that I can't go back. No, he serves us every

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Speaker 1: week now. We were in there yesterday and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: for goodness sake, please don't order any more. Tark she was.

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Speaker 1: His face went bright red. It was just so so

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Speaker 1: is there a better way that you can say it?

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Speaker 1: We were when you say, giggling it, and though we

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Speaker 1: were giggling like school girls, we kind of just sniggered,

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Speaker 1: oh poor thing. To his credit, he did make a

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Speaker 1: good burrito. And I've got to say, well, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about sombreros. I saw my favorite sombrero girl out at

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Speaker 1: Marion shopping Center yesterday, and my god, it was weird

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Speaker 1: seeing her out. Is it awkward when you do so

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Speaker 1: those people and you're like, where do I know you from?

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Speaker 1: And then you and then you somehow sometimes strike up

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Speaker 1: a conversation and then you realize it's somewhere awkward like that. Well,

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Speaker 1: this girl's got blue hair, so she really stands out.

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Speaker 1: So I was like Oh my gosh, there's her because

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Speaker 1: I love her. She makes the best way, she gives

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Speaker 1: the host sauce. I think that's probably all we have

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Speaker 1: time for. Thank you so much for joining us for

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Speaker 1: today's episode, and if you have enjoyed it, it would

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Speaker 1: be incredible if you could share it to your Instagram

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Speaker 1: story and tag us out Outspoken, Underscore, the Underscore Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and we'd definitely love to see where you're listening from

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Speaker 1: or if you're taking your dog for a walk. I

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Speaker 1: am always out with my dog shadow walking listening to podcasts,

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Speaker 1: so I would like to see your cute dogs porcats,

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Speaker 1: and there are some hilarious conversations going on in there,

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Speaker 1: so we'd love if you could join us