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Speaker 2: Said be careful love those alum boys.

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Speaker 1: It'll well use your head.

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Speaker 3: They will tear you off like a paper toy.

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Speaker 1: Oh no no, yeah yeah yeah yeah, oh no no no.

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Speaker 3: Then it's knowledge you darling.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a lethal thoughts that'll bring you down, shouting

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Speaker 1: to get your tipsy, like god, drink love drunk girls.

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Speaker 2: Oh hi, am Amanda, and I'm Relia. Welcome to.

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Speaker 3: It's lay.

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Speaker 1: We're in a long distance friendship that started twenty years

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Speaker 1: ago when we were in high school.

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Speaker 2: We'll be talking all things life, love, family, anything and

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Speaker 2: everything under the sun.

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Speaker 1: Delve deeper with us because in life, you know, jine.

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Speaker 3: My layers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lah later, Laie.

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Speaker 3: How are you since you last folk.

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Speaker 2: I'm good love. How are you?

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Speaker 1: As I sip my elderberry, Yeah, I think it's older billy,

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Speaker 1: older belly, same thing. Yeah, I've believing the tea spring

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Speaker 3: So here for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's so funny because I know, yeah, yeah, ten

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Speaker 2: is like taking my juicy. We're your jerseys. Remember how

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Speaker 2: can they head girls ask for us to wear huck suits? Please?

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Speaker 2: We need to be wearing layers. We were, but we

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Speaker 1: Yeah literally literally even now old it's cold and no heating,

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but I don't.

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Speaker 2: Because we're basic.

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Speaker 3: I know it was very basic. But we digress, We digress,

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Speaker 2: So shout out to all those guys Imagination, congrats. But

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Speaker 2: but as we were like delving deeper in that after show,

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Speaker 2: I was just really thinking, Wow, classism or privilege is

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Speaker 2: Is okay for me? Classism is just like a way

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Speaker 2: But I think that's just purely because is yeah, you

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Speaker 1: So true, true, I get you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but yeah, when you know all the people around

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Speaker 2: So like you start to see it. Yeah, do you

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Speaker 1: Well, how related or ingrained or tied to our way

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Speaker 2: I think it's just an everything like people. It also

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Speaker 2: doing more sports for example, even that can be also.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And it even goes into like you know, like places

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Speaker 1: With, what kind of parties you go to, who's you

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Speaker 1: Where you go shopping where, Like it's all those things

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Speaker 2: It's problematic because even if you want a data guy

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Speaker 1: It's very real and are there any perks to it

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Speaker 3: Totally?

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Speaker 1: And I think you see it play out even outside

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Speaker 3: But for me personally.

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Speaker 2: Know, they want you to know there's a difference.

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Speaker 1: Yes, between you and I, and then throw in elitism

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Speaker 1: And definitely there's this privilege associated you know, even I

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Speaker 2: And so it's so funny you brought up education because

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Speaker 2: People don't even get the opportunity like let alone find

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Speaker 1: And I think that there's so many like drawbacks to that,

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Speaker 1: There's this divide innately as a people and separation and

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Speaker 2: a group a school doesn't mean you know, oh you

440
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: can't cook starts, Oh you don't like this. Like there's

441
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: a lot of things people say upon me. I don't

442
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: even have a chance to like rebuttal or anything. You know,

443
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: you're just like okay, okay.

444
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: And it's also it's definitely you see a product of

445
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: colonialism because you know, the further away from our African zimbabweanness,

446
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: the more you know, sort of approachable, we seem to

447
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: the white you know, and it's like exactly, you know,

448
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: and and there's so many things and I think one

449
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: of the drawbacks for coming from a place of privilege

450
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: is that we didn't, as a result, get to learn

451
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: Zimbabwe in his street at school. Yeah, we lost a

452
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: lot of like learning about cultural elements. You know, we

453
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: had the discussion about hair like hair styles were restricted

454
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: as a result, like you could.

455
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: So it's like the drawbacks of working.

456
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: Of the classism is on one end too, it's like

457
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: you're denied your identity identity as well, and I don't

458
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: think we really talk about it so much, and no

459
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: we don't. It's one of those things that now it's

460
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: your parents job to make sure you maintain that.

461
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: But part of.

462
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: Education is that within your education, your identity is also kind.

463
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 2: Of exactly, and I think like even for us it

464
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: was even deeper because those things are found to be shameful.

465
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: Put on you, Peter House, you did have a club

466
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: shout out to my fantasy.

467
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember that.

468
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: Am I to be dancing to some traditional music? Like

469
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: we found it to be so shameful and right now,

470
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: like it's it's almost like a place of regret where

471
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: it's like why not, why not stand in your culture?

472
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 5: Why not?

473
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: So that's the part that's like too polarizing for me

474
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: because it's like, okay, so you adapt to this, but

475
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: then at the cost of.

476
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: Years of oized as exactly, and then.

477
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: The white people don't really think you're white either, so

478
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: it's like what are you doing this for? And that's

479
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: when we end up internalizing their hate and pushing on

480
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: each other because then it's like, okay, well at least

481
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: I'm better than you. That's like not true, not true.

482
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: And it's funny you talk about that, the polarization when

483
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: we because then when we were in Form three B block,

484
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: we had to continue with Sean as a language, where

485
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: most of us thought we're going to drop it after

486
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: Form two. And I remember at old level like being

487
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: laughed at because I remember I gotta be for Shanna

488
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: language at O level and people being like, oh my goodness,

489
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: and me it got to be like laughing that I

490
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: did well, did well in Shana. And now you look

491
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: back and I remember like people laughing at me, and

492
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: I'm just like I don't know what to say about that.

493
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a similar I had a similar experience

494
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: room because even I remember our first class with my

495
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: Fanciso in Shauna and she was like, okay, so all

496
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: of you did zimsec Grade seven results. It's like what

497
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: did you get? And I think it was like you

498
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: had to get like four units were like one.

499
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: Unit, one units per subject that high yeah, yeah.

500
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh yeah, I did get a

501
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: one I got four units or one in the primary

502
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: school I went to, they did teach you Shana properly,

503
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: and like, like imember. She was like, for a second,

504
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: I think for like two or three weeks, I was

505
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: like her best bud in the class. She thought, ah,

506
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: this kid.

507
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: Knows her, you know, like yeah.

508
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: At the same time, I was also like, well, delving

509
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: deeper into that. I was also because of my background,

510
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: because I knew coming from my family background, yeah, of

511
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: course I could like balance both. I had to find

512
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: a way to balance both. You know, I couldn't shot

513
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: every holiday and not speak to my grandma properly.

514
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: You know.

515
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: Then in the same token, we had some people in

516
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: our class who couldn't say their names properly, like you know,

517
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: the actual Shauna names pronounced with all the urs or

518
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: the or the nuances of Shauna because obviously and that's

519
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: not their fault, but it just speaks on background. This

520
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: is how deep embedded it is. It can't even some

521
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: people can't even say their names properly.

522
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's deep deep.

523
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: But then how did that shift because now we're talking

524
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: from a step we took a step back right out

525
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: of the zoom context, Like how did you adjust and

526
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: what did make you realize by leaving zim How did that,

527
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, kind of open you up to like, oh

528
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: this is this could be problematic or very problematic, you know,

529
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: and it's still prominent even within the diaspora.

530
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: For me, I feel like I think I said this

531
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: in one of our last episodes when I was like

532
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: a family episode, when I said, when I go back home,

533
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: I put a Zimbabwean hat on. And I think for me,

534
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: I didn't have to adjust when I came to Australia.

535
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: I kind of knew quickly that everyone's on a even level.

536
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: There's no who are you showing off for? Yeah we

537
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: got Nike too, Like yeah, Beyonce drop Divy Park. We

538
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: all go to the store. Nobody everybody can afford. Like

539
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? If you lose your wallet

540
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: you will find it, but money still inside, Like there's

541
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: no because of people being comfortable in terms of materialistically financially,

542
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: it takes away a lot of those eky layers that

543
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: classism can bring because yeah, choice of schools is here.

544
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 5: Of course there's private schools. Majority of people the middle.

545
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: Class is healthy. So like I feel like it's like,

546
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: where's Zimbabwe and as I was saying before, the middle

547
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 2: class kind of disappeared because of the economy, you know,

548
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: falling to nothing. It's it's almost like Australia is the

549
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: opposite thing, where the middle class is healthy. So it

550
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: really is a very small percent that are super rich

551
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: and a very small percent that are super poor.

552
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 5: And everyone's in the middle.

553
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: So some stuff you can't afford, some stuff you can afford.

554
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: You just go with what you So I never really

555
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: had to adjust. That kind of felt like it was

556
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: a welcome relief, Like and I have to think about this.

557
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: I mean, there was a big shift from when you

558
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: become a leave being a student when you start working. Yes,

559
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: but I think that shift, that shift happens with everyone,

560
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: even Aussie's say, oh yeah, when I was a student,

561
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: I was eating two.

562
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 5: Dollars noodles, you know, like normal.

563
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: Yes, So I don't think but when I go to Zoom,

564
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: especially now being the aspora, the assumption again is that

565
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: we got money somehow, we get a million a million

566
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: dollars on the plane you know the ANGI your boarding

567
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: past and a.

568
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: Million, yeah, a million, a million.

569
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: So when I go home, it's all about popping bottles.

570
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: Let's be seen like, yes, it's so crazy, it's so crazy.

571
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I remember, you know, it's so funny too.

572
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: It's like I think, because of.

573
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: The state of the Zimbabwean economy, classism and elitism have

574
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: to play so that you can move in Zim. Like

575
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: you need those linkes, you need that money in order

576
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: to get by or get to a certain level in Zim.

577
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: Right. And the thing is when you.

578
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: Leave Zim and then you come back, because then I

579
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: had left him and left Zim and I lived outside

580
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: of him for a while, right, and then I'm like

581
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: go back and I'm like, what the actual.

582
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: Is happening here?

583
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: And I remember like that pop bottle lifestyle that like,

584
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I remember there was a Christmas where

585
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: a couple of people I knew were around from out

586
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: of the country, and like we went out together and

587
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: they were like ask and they're like, what is it

588
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: with the Zim lifestyle?

589
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: Be seeing pop bottles?

590
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: But like the economy is suffering and these are people

591
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: who are out of the country making a great living

592
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: for themselves, you know. But they also couldn't rationalize this

593
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: lifestyle thing, right, But I think it's it's kind of

594
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: this necessary thing to show that.

595
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: I'm not one of you. I'm not suffering, I'm not

596
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: like the.

597
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: VIP section, like behind the velvet rope bootleg.

598
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting that the economy is on its knees,

599
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: but there's this need to prove that I'm not at

600
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: your level type of thing, and I think that's one

601
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: thing that I.

602
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: Cannot marry. I cannot comprehend.

603
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: Like recently, they had Valentine's Day right in February and

604
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: there's this wedding planner who was selling flowers for seven

605
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty US. Like to give people listening listeners contexts,

606
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: this is way more than someone's monthly salary, way more

607
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: than six months. In fact, it could be a yearly

608
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: salary for a lot of so someone to be selling

609
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 2: some Valentine's roses, not even not even the forever items,

610
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 2: not even the ones that were in the petroleum fresh

611
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: fresh flowers in a big box and those those nice

612
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 2: hat boxes they're doing these days. And now it became

613
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: a challenge for all the socialites and the influences in

614
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: Zimbabwe to buy to seem tagging and buy right. Kudos

615
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: to the person doing this, because hey business, but if

616
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: you actually look deeper into it, you're like, wait, hang on,

617
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: you can't afford to keep the lights on, but you

618
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: want to buy these flowers to just show show what.

619
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: Like it's just and it's so bad because a lot

620
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: of it is run on people getting money from overseas

621
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: or whatever ways they're getting it.

622
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 5: But it's like we've also lost the ability to have

623
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 5: discernment and be like, Okay, we don't have to spend

624
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 5: money on this. Okay, really this doesn't matter. This is

625
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 5: not gonna serve me in the future. So finances is

626
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 5: like our whole thing we need to really go into

627
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 5: in Zim, because I don't think people know how to

628
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 5: treat or be with money, Like it's just if you

629
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 5: haven't spend it because you never know about tomorrow.

630
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: That's the attitude in Zim, you.

631
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: Know, Like I just had to like stuff like that

632
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: really just affects me, Like it really it.

633
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: Really breaks me.

634
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but it's something that always like

635
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: I just it hurts and I'm just like I.

636
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: Don't get it.

637
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe someone can explain to me, to us

638
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: like the rationale of it all and make it makes

639
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: sense to me, but it really doesn't. And It breaks

640
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: me because like you're saying, some people don't even have jobs.

641
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: They like, we have a ninety one percent unemployment rate

642
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: in the zim and that idea to be like let

643
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: me floss and show you.

644
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 6: It's like why, like why do we do that?

645
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: Anyway? Yeah?

646
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: Really do you ever find it? Do you ever find

647
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 2: it sticky explaining to someone else? So I'll just give

648
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: you an example, like if there's two Zimbabweans, Yeah, and

649
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: your accents are clearly different because unfortunately classism also plays

650
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: into that. Semple went to schools where their American teachers,

651
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: so they tend to have more of an American twang. Yes,

652
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: some the British, some speak the Zimbabwean accent. Do you

653
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: ever find that hard to explain, like why you speak different?

654
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: Yes?

655
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: I do, because I find that.

656
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: Hard to explain to like my husband these like oh

657
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: there's Zimbabwean, but they like I wouldn't have picked it

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Speaker 2: up from their accents. It's really different. Or even when

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Speaker 2: with all lot of different accents. It's an adjustment and

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Speaker 2: it's hard to like explain without offense.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's no Yeah, there's no, there's no real easy

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Speaker 1: way to explain it. It's just like it's just the

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Speaker 1: way it is, like the way my mom speaks, it

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Speaker 1: is different to how I speak, and like just in

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Speaker 1: that is like yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but any week.

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Speaker 1: There's a touchy subject. But before we go into before

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Speaker 1: we say goodbye, who is our shout out for this week?

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Speaker 3: A man, Doug?

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Speaker 1: Could you let us?

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Speaker 2: I love this one? This one's a goodie. This one

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Speaker 2: is a surprise from Rumby. But I I like, I

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Speaker 2: love it, love it, love it.

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Speaker 5: You should check him out or check her.

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Speaker 2: We actually don't really know if it's a hero she

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Speaker 2: so check them out on Instagram cash I made it.

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Speaker 2: They do a lot of graphic design, Like just what

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Speaker 2: I got from Rembe was coasters because I got this

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Speaker 2: crazy fetish thing about black as King Yes, and came

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Speaker 2: through for my birthday and got beautiful coasters using some

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Speaker 2: of the iconic looks Beyonce had. But yeah, Rumby, what

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Speaker 2: more you know? More so?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I think for me, I stumbled through someone I follow

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and he uses satire and his illustrations to

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Speaker 1: talk about like pertinent issues or pop culture issues, but

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Speaker 1: also makes him really beautifully designed illustrations pop culture often

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Speaker 1: and other and you can buy different products. It's like

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Speaker 1: coasters I got Fromanda. You can get like I think.

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Speaker 1: They even have chopping boards, cushions. They recently released I

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Speaker 1: think a candlelight and that they said they've been working

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Speaker 1: on for a while. Just a variety of products, good

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Speaker 1: price point. They ship from the UK, I think, and

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Speaker 1: it was decent shipping time from UK to you I think.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was definitely and definitely worth a check out,

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Speaker 2: like when you're always thinking, want to get someone who

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Speaker 2: you think has everything or you know, just good to

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Speaker 2: share some you mind for sure, soul to see.

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Speaker 1: Definitely our zim shout out. It's at Casare made it

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. We'll link it in the episode. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening in. Please feel free

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Speaker 1: to drop us your thoughts and comments. You can subscribe

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Speaker 1: your podcasts, and please also feel free to rate and

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Speaker 1: review us on the podcast platforms as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, please do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's been great.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much and we will catch you for

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Speaker 1: the next episode. Bye everybody, Bye guys, Bye irom me bye.

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Speaker 2: O't know to do? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, oh no

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Speaker 2: no no,