1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: On today's show, Kayla Aesinas's former company takes rival trainer 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: to court Kim and Courtney Kardashian's explosive phone call, and 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: Clementine Ford is sick of the call group. Hello, and 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert, 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: and I've got a bone to pick with you, Sophie. 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: I am so sick of being assaulted by your rapid 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: fire text messages. I will leave my phone for like 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: literally two seconds, and already our group chat is full 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: of forty messages, mostly from you, And most of these 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: messages could be condensed into one message. There's a reason 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: why I don't condense them. It's because have you ever 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: written a really, really long message and then somehow you've 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: exited it off and lost the whole thing? Yeah? Is 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: that honestly why you do it? Well, it's also because 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: I have a short attention stan, So I'm like, all right, 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: here's one point enter like I just I don't know. 18 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: So it doesn't really cost you anything. It's not like 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: back in the day, where if you send a text 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: message it was like a dollar to send. I think 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: it's because you're impulsive as well. So are you saying 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: that you actually structure your text messages out to be 23 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: dot points? No? I don't structure them to be dot points. 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: But there have been occasions where I'm writing to someone 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: I don't know as well, and I write a long 26 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: text message and all of a sudden it disappears. So 27 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that with you. Guys, remember 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: when you used to write like risky messages in your 29 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: notes that you're like contemplating that you'd send either to 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: a guy or maybe someone you had an issue with 31 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: or oh yeah, the fight ones in the notes are hilarious, 32 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: particularly when you've forgotten about the fight and you find 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: those messages months and months later, you're like, oh, I 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: better delete this. This sounds petty as far. That's my issue, though, 35 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: I would just impulsively send messages like that in relationships 36 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: and to and to some of the messages I get 37 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: from you, I'm like, wow, this is in print forever, 38 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: very interesting and telling. To see them all over that post, 39 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: laughing and lolling being part of the game. I see you. 40 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: Clementine Ford has taken aim again at the Cool Group 41 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: last week, she called out Bachelor's star Mattie Jay's parenting 42 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: video and accused some Australian media organizations of giving untouchable 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: influences a free ride. Now things have escalated a lot 44 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: since we spoke about this on Outspoken Plus on Wednesday. Now, 45 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: we did go into this in more debts and gave 46 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: a lot of our honest opinions. But for those who 47 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: aren't across it, can you bring us up to speed? 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: So well, Basically, Mattie Jay created a series of satirical 49 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: videos showing his mum doing all of the housework and 50 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: looking after the kids while his wife Laura was away 51 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: for working Balley and the video did receive a mixed response. 52 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: Some followers thought it was funny, whilst others said that 53 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: matt was weaponizing incompetence. Now, this led to Mattie Jay 54 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: creating a third video where he did a mock up 55 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: of a fake apology to those that he offended, and 56 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: this is where Clementine Ford got involved. So she reshared 57 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: Mattie Jay's video and accused him of playing into retro 58 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: sexist stereotype. Now, it's not unusual for Clementine Ford to 59 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: provide this type of analysis or commentary on issues like this. 60 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: But what was interesting was that she started taking aim 61 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: at this cool group in the media that protect these 62 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: types of influencers. And that's what really peaked my interest 63 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: because it was clear she was talking about women's media publication, 64 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: Muma Mia. So she made that pretty clear because she 65 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: took a selfie and played the song Muma Mea by 66 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: Abba over the top of it. Wasn't that sub or 67 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: was it no? And this was in reference to the 68 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: fact that Mia Friedman and Claire Stevens and Jesse Stevens 69 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: had actually comment on Maddie Jay's video saying how funny 70 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: they thought it was. The whole untouchable influencer thing is 71 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: a concept that we've been talking about behind closed doors 72 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: for some time now, and that's not in reference to 73 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: Mum and Meir, but it's just generally how influencers are 74 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: moving more into media opportunities and roles. We're seeing a 75 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: number of them on shows like The Project, and they're 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: mingling more with media identities, so it is, and they're 77 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: all having their own podcasts as well, and I think 78 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: it's because so many of them are piggybacking off each 79 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: other to try and reach their audience. Well, it's very clever, 80 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: isn't it. And you see that a lot in the 81 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: US with there's the high Pass where influencers all live 82 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: together and create content. Yeah, well it's a clever marketing tactic. 83 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: If this person's got a whole bunch of followers that 84 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: are different to yours, you end up getting way more followers. 85 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: And I think it's because the line is really blurred 86 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: of what an influencer is. There are now so many subcategories. 87 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: So you've got the kind of og influencers who have 88 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: got a following just based off being on YouTube and Instagram. 89 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: Now you've got the reality stars who then turn into influencers, 90 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: and then you've got media personalities who then also influence 91 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: on the side too. It is true. And when they 92 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: do reference a call group, honestly, can you guys think 93 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: of the people who are in that cooll group, because 94 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: there are some people that instantly spring to mind. Oh yeah, 95 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 1: I could literally name who was in that call group. 96 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: And I agree with Clementine. There definitely is a call group. 97 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: You only have to look at the podcasting space and 98 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: the same people appear on the same podcast and everyone's 99 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: in with each other. So that becomes a really bad 100 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: dynamic when you are in the business of having opinions 101 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: and sharing them on a podcast, because all of a sudden, 102 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: these people become untouchable because for you, you need them 103 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: to be on your podcast to earn advertising dollars. Not 104 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: to sound like I want in on this Cool Group 105 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: or one of the Hangar Honorers, but a lot of 106 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: these people in the Call group are really likable and 107 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: nice people, and it's nothing against them. We're just talking 108 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: about the fact that it's really messy in the industry, 109 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: particularly because a lot of these influencers in the Cool Group, 110 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: they're in positions of power, so they either have a business, 111 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: so then their business might want to be promoted on 112 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: one of these other media organizations. It all becomes very intertwined. 113 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: We're actuallyzing dollars are involved. That's where things get better. 114 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: I actually feel for a couple of these podcasters in 115 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: a sense because they've made it difficult for themselves because 116 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: when you've got an opinion podcast, you can't be in 117 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: that click so you can't be part. We're very lucky 118 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: that we're from Adelaide and we don't go to these events, 119 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: not saying that we would be persuaded to talk differently. 120 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: If we did, we're in the uncool group. Who in 121 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: our group? Well, that's the thing. I don't think you 122 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: can have groups in the industry if you do want 123 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: to have opinions about the industry itself. Now, they were 124 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: all up to speed. On Wednesday night, Mia Friedman entered 125 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: the chat, and she did so by sharing a selfie 126 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: with Matty J and Laura Byrn in the MoMA Mea 127 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: podcast studios. So she wrote, coming soon on No Filter, 128 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: I was delighted to sit down with Laura Byrn and 129 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Matti J to talk about marriage, family and the mental load. 130 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: Boy did our DMS go off? Yeah, she shared this. 131 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: I was pretty surprised to see this, to be honest, 132 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: because it really played into the commentary that Clementide Ford 133 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: was putting out there. Yeah. Well, I mean a lot 134 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: of people were surprised by the timing of this, including 135 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: Clementine Ford. So she reshared the post and wrote, the 136 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: gang's got to stick together. She continued. The effort being 137 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: put in to make sure everyone knows Matt Johnson is 138 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: a great guy is hilarious. Feels like it would have 139 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: been easier to acknowledge it was a bad take, but 140 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: I guess that takes a kind of reflection that's beyond 141 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: the prom committee shots fired. Now. MIA's post was of 142 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: course inundated with common and from what I could see, 143 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: the majority of comments weren't abusive or trolling in nature. 144 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,119 Speaker 1: It was mainly a lot of people disagreeing with Maddie 145 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,119 Speaker 1: J and Laura's take and agree with Clementine Ford's stance. 146 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: They were more questioning why Maddie J wasn't backing down, 147 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: but Mia did turn the comments off, which I don't 148 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: think was a great look. It was pretty interesting listening 149 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: to Mama Mia out Loud on Wednesday because they didn't 150 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: talk about Clementine or Maddie J. However, during one of 151 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: the segments, Mia really made these subtle references to people 152 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: starting fights and pylons as something that people do when 153 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: they're trying to boost their engagement. And people have noted 154 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: that Clementine Ford is bringing a book out. She was 155 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: posting a lot on her stories last night about this 156 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: book tour that she's going on, and some people are saying, well, 157 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: she's only doing it to sell her book. What do 158 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: you guys think about that? Well, if this is a 159 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: pr move, I think it's a stroke of genius because 160 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: her book is about weaponizing incompetence and also about marriage, 161 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: so it is quite clever to take an aim at 162 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: one of Australia's most part popular married couples, and also 163 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: Muma Mia, which is promoted as a feminist publication. I 164 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: don't necessarily think it's just to do with the fact 165 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: that she's releasing a book. Her job is a social 166 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: commentator and she's a feminist, so I think for her 167 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: to call out these things is very on brand. But 168 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: I suppose it makes sense. I mean, the whole thing 169 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: is that her job is to spark conversations about this 170 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: and why wouldn't you try and be relevant if you 171 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: did have a product, So particularly when it's a product 172 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: like a book about feminism that she thinks is going 173 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: to help people see I disagree because I don't think 174 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: Clementine thought that this was going to get as big 175 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: as it has. Because you've got to remember, it got 176 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: big because Laura Byrn came in and she gave her 177 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: own commentary and the issue Matt reeshared the mock apology video. 178 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: It blew up on people's space. I don't think she 179 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: realized how much of a following the both of them happen. 180 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: Either course, she saw the numbers, but I don't think 181 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: she realized how invested people were in their lives. See 182 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: I disagree. She is a very smart woman, and during 183 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: her many Instagram stories on the topic, she even referenced 184 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: the fact that she was pretty sure the Daily Mail 185 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: would run with a headline of this because they run 186 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: with everything that she does. But I'm not saying it's 187 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: a bad thing. I'm just saying that it's pretty clever 188 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: to create engagement on the topic that your books on. 189 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: I think it's a bit insulting to imply that that's 190 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: why she was doing it. Look mea Friedman. She has 191 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: also been accused of trying to stir the pot for 192 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: money because by having Maddi, j and Laura on her 193 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: podcast next week, she's obviously capitalizing on the drama. But 194 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: from a business perspective and someone who runs a podcast, 195 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: I would be doing the exact same thing. I'd be 196 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: wringing them up immediately, saying can you come here and 197 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: see I was a bit unsure about this move because 198 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: that just plays into the rhetoric that Clementine Ford says 199 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: that there is a call group. I totally get that 200 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: she is playing into the coll group mentality and that 201 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: isn't the greatest look. But this episode hasn't gone live yet, 202 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: so I think that she has the power to control 203 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: the narrative because at the moment, there's one side. You're 204 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: either on Clementine's forward site or you're on Matti J 205 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: and her side. And I think that there's a lot 206 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: of people who feel a lot of sympathy for this couple, 207 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: and that's only to be intensified after hearing a two 208 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: hour episode with them. I think the best thing that 209 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: they could do is just forget about it and not 210 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: say anything more. And it will be interesting to see 211 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: if they do touch on it, because Clementine Ford is 212 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: implying that, you know, Mum and Mea are going out 213 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: there to try and rebuild Matt's reputation. Because while a 214 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: lot of people did find it funny, I would say 215 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: it's fifty to fifty. Do we think that there's a 216 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: collaboration or some sort of sponsorship deal or a podcast 217 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: happening with Matti J and Mum and Mea that's coming out, Well, 218 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: that's the interesting thing because Laura Byrn has done a 219 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: podcast with Mum and Mia before, but she currently has 220 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: lifel On Cut with ARN and Mattie Jay is also 221 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: with AARN, so they do come from two different podcast networks. 222 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm really interested to listen to this interview and I 223 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: want to know was this planned beforehand? Is this like 224 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: just ideal timing for Mama Mia or was there a 225 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: panic phone call between the couple and Mia Friedman They're like, 226 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: let's get you on no Filter. It's a really tough 227 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: one for me because I respect all individuals involved in 228 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: this sort of feud that's broken out, and I think 229 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people are struggling with because 230 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: you respect all of these people as business owners and 231 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: for the good work that they're doing. And so it's 232 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: a hard one because you don't want to see adults 233 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: having a few and fighting it out on social media. 234 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: But I mean, we just went in more detail on 235 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: our subscriber episode. But that's the point that Clementine made 236 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: is you can like these people, but we should be 237 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: able to critique the content. And for a lot of people, 238 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: that video missed the mark and it wasn't funny and 239 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: it you know, Clementine's stories opened up a really important 240 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: conversation with everyone. I initially found the video quite funny, 241 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: but after hearing Clementine's analysis of it, I thought, it 242 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: is wrong. That's why we should actually be stopping that 243 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: kind of realize the implications that normalizing that behavior and 244 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: laughing about it has and the internalized misogyny. So we're 245 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: all confused, and we're on a group chat that's actually 246 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: labeled to not Courtney, so we know and have the 247 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: funnel what your friends are saying to us. Everyone is 248 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: talking about the explosive phone call between Kim and Courtney Cutter, 249 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: and as veterans of sister fights, I think we need 250 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: to weigh in. So this isn't the first time the 251 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: sisters have fought on their reality show. Back in twenty twenty, 252 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: they had a fist fight. It was all over TikTok. 253 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: I remember seeing that and I felt really disturbed because 254 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: it reminded me of our own fight, particularly when everyone 255 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: in the comment section is saying, I can't believe that 256 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: women of this age carry on like that, and what 257 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: a disgusting way to spend that. I thought, that's just 258 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: the norm. It is disgusting but that's just how sisters 259 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: talk to each other. I mean they were in their 260 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: forties at the time. I do have high hopes that 261 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: maybe we're over that. Can I say I hate the 262 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: age shaaning of You know, when your sisters, you're always 263 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: going to inherently have that sister bond, sister bond or 264 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: that animosity towards each other, because when you hang out 265 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: with your family, you do revert back to the way 266 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: you act as a child. That is a good point. Now, 267 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: Season three of them new show The Kardashians also centered 268 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: around their Adulce and Kabana fight as a quick refresher. 269 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: Courtney got pissed off when Kim did a collection with 270 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: the brand just six months after Courtney's Dulce and A wedding, 271 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: and while they made up on the show, the airing 272 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: of the series opened old wounds and reignited the fight. Now, 273 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: the fight resurface when Kim asked Courtney over the phone 274 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: if she wanted to join her at a dinner in 275 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: Milan as part of her Adult Shake contract. Now, I 276 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: thought this was pretty brave considering the backlash that happened 277 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: over this brand deal. Now, Courtney said she was dult 278 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: shade out, and it quickly escalated to Courtney again accusing 279 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: Kim of copying her wedding looks now. Kim shut this 280 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: down pretty quickly by saying that she didn't like Courtney's 281 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: wedding aesthetic and it was unoriginal because everyone does nineties. 282 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: She does have a bit of a point there. Everyone 283 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: is doing the nineties, and I did not like her 284 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: wedding aesthetic. It looked more like a funeral. I love 285 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: how there's just been all these subtle digs from Chloe 286 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: and now Kim about just how ugly the wedding dress was. 287 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: I remember the last series, Chloe was on a light 288 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: detector and they asked her if she actually liked her look, 289 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: and she was so polite about it, but it was 290 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: a not yeah. Well. Courtney then accused Kim of not 291 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: being happy at her wedding because she wasn't the center 292 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: of attention, and Kim hit back, asking Courtney to reflect 293 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: on why she hates her and is angry with her. 294 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: She then twisted the knife, telling Courtney that she is 295 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: a group chat with her sister's friends called not Courtney 296 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: where they talk about her. She went on to say 297 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: that everyone in the family thinks she's different now, and 298 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: she even dropped that Courtney's kids have come to her 299 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: about their mum now. The argument escalated even further, and 300 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: Courtney called Kim a narcissist, a fucking witch, and said 301 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: she hated her and she didn't need them anymore now. 302 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: After this phone call, Courtney pulled out of their family 303 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: trip to Carbo. I shouldn't laugh, but it is just 304 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: comical because as sisters, you really know what buttons to push, 305 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: and you just say the most horrible things. If a 306 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: friend said any of those things, you would never talk 307 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: to them. It's kind of funny because I've heard a 308 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: lot of commentary about this, and there's so many people 309 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: that are shocked about the way they spoke to each other, 310 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: like this is just normal sister talk. I mean, anyone 311 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: that's seen any of our fights on Instagram or TikTok 312 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: will know we basically talk to each other like this 313 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: on a commedys and I mean the Veronicas they had 314 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: their reality show and they spoke to each other exactly 315 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: the same. It must just been a sister thing. And 316 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: I was going to say maybe a multiple birth thing, 317 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: but the Kardashians aren't well they're just so close, so 318 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: they work together. I think it's the work thing that 319 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: is brought into it, because, let's be honest, this is 320 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: really about the brand deal and hundreds of millions of 321 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: dot I just think it's just about the brand deal, 322 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: though I think goes deeper than that. And Courtney feels 323 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: very pigeon holed into this role in the Kardashians as 324 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: a supporting sister, and as you said, sisters know which 325 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: buttons to press. So the fact that she's saying that 326 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: Kim couldn't even be happy for her when it was 327 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: her one moment of being in the spotlight says a lot. Well, 328 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: Kim has always been the main character in that family. 329 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: There was a time when Kylie was almost the main character, 330 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: but Kim throughout the years really has never on the 331 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: reality show, though Kyle has never kind of been that 332 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: the most interesting person on there. True, but from a 333 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: statist perspective, Kylie was pretty big. Now there is there's 334 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: a theory that's floating around that the real reason Kim 335 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: and Courtney are fighting and it's all to do with 336 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: Travis Barker. So a copy of Travis's memoir from twenty 337 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: fifteen has been dug up, and it turns out he 338 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: had the hots for Kim. So he went into detail 339 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: about a trip to Amsterdam with him, Kim, and Paris 340 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: Hilton as well as Little Chris in the early two 341 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: thousands and at the time, Kim was Paris's closet organizer 342 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: and during this trip, Travis said he couldn't keep his 343 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: eyes off Kim and said that she was fucking hot 344 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: and eye candy. Now, after the trip, he even took 345 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: her out to a couple of dinner and lunch dates. Now, 346 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: Travis claims he was on a break with his then 347 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: wife Shanna. However, Shanna has a different story. She has 348 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: accused Travis of cheating on her with Kim, and Shanner 349 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: even poured a drink over Kim at a party thrown 350 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: by Carmen a lecture around the time. So it's becoming 351 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: clearer and clearer. Why Courtney, he has been hating on 352 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: Kim so much? Yeah, Well, Shanna told us weekly, I 353 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: divorce my ex because I saw them, I caught them 354 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: having an affair. We were working on our marriage and 355 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: trying to heal through that affair. That in fidelity. He 356 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: continued to work with her and then I received all 357 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: the text messages and the other third parties kind of 358 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: let me know. It's something I was well aware of. 359 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: He is dating her sister now, so I think that 360 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: would be really weird. How Come we're only hearing about 361 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: this now because didn't he put out this memoir years 362 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: ago and no one's picked up, So it was in 363 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. The thing is, Travis and Kim have both 364 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: denied that anything physical happened between them. It is interesting, though, 365 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: because when Travis came on the scene on The Kardashians, 366 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 1: the whole story was that he was so madly in 367 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: love with Courtney forever and they finally turned their friendship 368 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: into a relationship. But it seems like he just had 369 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: the hots for Kim the whole time. Oh, I mean 370 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: Corney and Kim. They both look quite similar. But I 371 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: could not stand marrying someone and knowing that they possibly 372 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: had sex with my sister, and also it was so 373 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: attracted to her that they wrote about it in their memory. 374 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: Isn't Courtney kind of in the wrong though, because if 375 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: Kim and Travis did have this little relationship a number 376 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: of years ago, isn't she sort of the sister that's 377 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: encroaching on that. Yeah, well, I found it interesting how 378 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: Kim said in that argument, Oh, maybe reflect on the 379 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: real reason why you hate me? And I wonder if 380 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: this is ever going to be addressed on the Kardashians, 381 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: because everyone is talking about this connection. That would just 382 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: kill me inside though, to know that my partner was 383 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: more interested in my other sister. That makes me feel 384 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: sad for Courtney because I know a lot of people 385 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: were saying they were team Kim. I'm still undecided because 386 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: there were elements where I felt, I don't know, just 387 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: so sorry for Courtney. What do you guys think about 388 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: the group chat though, because a lot of people were saying, oh, 389 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: it's so brutal to have all of her friends in 390 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: there and called not Courney. Are you talking about her 391 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: kids as well? Well, I think it's a clever name 392 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: for the group chat because at least you're not going 393 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: to get confused. But in the same time, I think 394 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: if we had a nasty chat without each other, the 395 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: title would be a lot bit brutal. Those nasty chats 396 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: are literally just Amy, like old just bitch to Amy 397 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: individually about you or vice versa, Like it's so funny 398 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: when I grab one of your phones and I go 399 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: into like so it's like, I'm just driving, can you 400 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: message Amy? And most of the conversation beforehand is bitching 401 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: about me. Yeah, if it's taking it further by then, 402 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: including that person's friend. Courtney has come out and said 403 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: that she's done some detective work and that her friends 404 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: were not in the group chat, so she said on 405 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 1: a comment on Facebook. When she was asked about it, 406 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: she said, no. The members of that chat are namely Kim, 407 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: Chlobe Kendall, and Kylie Kay okay close. I can't understand 408 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: that though, particularly it would be more difficult in a 409 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: big family because you never know who's on your side. 410 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean, even with the three of us, I'll think 411 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: that one of you is on my side, and then 412 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: later I'll hear that you've been bitching about me or 413 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: vice versa. It's clear Courtney's friends are really pissed off 414 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: because she ended up sharing a screenshot from text messages 415 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: with her group of friends and they were saying how 416 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: Kim had completely thrown them under the bus, but the 417 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: group chat did not exist, and she's buying it. So 418 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: to me, it sounds like maybe Kim has more of 419 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: an issue with Travis, yes, because I feel like she's 420 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: always trying to drop these subtle things of you're different 421 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: now and you've changed, because really, Courtney has changed her 422 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: whole image since she started jading Travis. But I think 423 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: it's just that she's legitimately happy with him. I am 424 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: on Kim side because I do see this change with Courtney, 425 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: and I don't like the way she speaks to her 426 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: family and says I don't need you, I don't want 427 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: anything to do with you. I'm happier without you. And 428 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: I know that a lot of the time we're seeing 429 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: this said in the heat of the moment. But I 430 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: think that she actually believes that. I don't think she 431 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: I think she is moving away from that family. But 432 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: then again, she is a producer on The Kardashians as well, 433 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: so they clearly didn't mind this clip being it. Well. 434 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people saying, oh, it must 435 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: be fake. They clearly don't talk to each other. It's like, well, no, 436 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: I don't think it was fake at all. I mean, 437 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: it is obviously great timing. This is their premiere episode 438 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: for the season four. It's just editing like they would 439 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: have had that shot ages of gone thought, let's lead 440 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: in with this for the first episode, but it's also 441 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: just sisters, like we will have a hideous argument where 442 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: we're just cruel and nasty to each other, and then 443 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: one way you'll send me a reel on Instagram and 444 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, hell yeah. Well, I just can't imagine how 445 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: awkward it must have been at Courtney's baby shower over 446 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: the weekend because Kim was in attendance. However, people noticed 447 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: that she didn't actually post any pictures or vision with Courtney. 448 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: So she did include a photo of Courtney and Travis kissing, 449 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: but that was it. Now. Courtney did share a bunch 450 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: of photos, but again she wasn't pictured with any of 451 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: her sisters. She did have a big group photo of 452 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: her and some friends. However, it was interesting because she 453 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: was standing up and all of the friends were surrounding 454 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: her at the bottom, and apparently Travis did have COVID 455 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: and it was a socially distanced baby shower, so I'm 456 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: wondering if her and Travis were just staying away from 457 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: all the guests that were there. Adelai fitness guru Kayla 458 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: had seen us is locked in a legal fight to 459 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: stop one of her former workout Buddies from launching a 460 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: competing exercise app. We've been seeing plenty of headlines this 461 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: week that fitness influence that Kayla has seen us and 462 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: cass Olholm are locked in a fierce court battle. Some 463 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: sections of the media are promoting this as Kayla verse 464 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: cass sharing images of the women's side by side and 465 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: playing into old gendered stereotypes, suggesting that the two women 466 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: are having a cat fight because we know that that's 467 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: what sells newspapers. In reality, Kayla wasn't even at this 468 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: court hearing, and the company she originally founded, called the 469 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: Bikini Body Training Company, are the ones who are seeking 470 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court injunction to stop cases app from being launched. 471 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: What's amusing is that Kayla and Toby sold their business 472 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: to a US company called I Fit in twenty twenty one, 473 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: so she is a lot more removed from the company 474 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: now than the media would like you to believe. She 475 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: obviously still has her foot in the door a bit 476 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: because she is still one of the trainers on the 477 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: app and it is still undergoing the handover cross. She 478 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: is the face of the app. Yeah, I mean, I 479 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: can see why they're running with it, but it just 480 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: irritates me how the media portray and put the two 481 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: women's pictures next to each other and act like it's 482 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: this cat fight between the two of them, but it's 483 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: actually about a serious matter now. Cas was handpicked by 484 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: Kayler in twenty twenty to join Sweat as a trainer, 485 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: and before joining the app, she was a nutritionist and 486 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: a personal trainer with expertise in high intensity training. She 487 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: also ran a popular gym called Grounded, which she still 488 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: owns and before getting the call up, Cas had grown 489 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: an Instagram following of one hundred and twenty nine thousand 490 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: followers and today her following stands at three hundred and 491 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: sixty two thousand, so it's clear that she has been 492 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: propped up by being a part of the app. Yeah, 493 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: and at the time, Cas was interviewed about joining Sweat 494 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: and she said, it's surreal and crazy to be chosen. 495 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: It's so exciting and such an awesome opportunity to have 496 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: opportunity being the key word there, because, as you said, Kate, 497 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: her getting the exposure on Kayler at Sina's app was 498 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: huge for her and Cas was a contractor for Sweat 499 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: for over three years before leaving the fitness app in 500 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: February twenty twenty three, but despite her departure, she still 501 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: features on Sweat and she was a fixture on Kayla's 502 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: social channels across twenty twenty two. Now, the Bikini Body 503 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: Training Company is trying to block Cass from launching her 504 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: online training program called Train with Cass, alleging that she 505 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: is breaching a twelve month restraint of trade agreement. Yeah, 506 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: so Cass is trying to launch this app this month, 507 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: and she already has her website live and she's also 508 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: been promoting it across social media, saying her new program 509 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: will launch on the Apple Store on October twelfth. Now, 510 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: the app is very similar to Kayla's app. It offers 511 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: strength conditioning and also high intensity training. Well, even the 512 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: name Train with Cass, it's like called Sweat with Kayla, 513 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: Train with Cass very similar. Yeah. Now, the Bikini Body 514 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: Training Company they are hoping to block the launch of 515 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: the program until the first of March twenty twenty four, 516 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: making it twelve months since her departure from Sweat, But 517 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: her legal team argues that the restraint period expired after 518 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: six months, and the court has heard that Cass has 519 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: spent five hundred and eighty thousand dollars preparing the new 520 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: business kisses, because wouldn't it be pretty clear what the 521 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: contract states if it's twelve months or six months. It 522 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: seems odd that it's even got to this point. Yeah. Well, 523 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: if this case does continue, both parties will be spending 524 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees, 525 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: and the judge has stepped in and said that both 526 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: parties should consider compromising to avoid spending very large sums 527 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: of money on lawyers. Well, you would also think that 528 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: this court case would just literally delay her launch to 529 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: March twenty twenty four. Anyway, it's giving a lot of 530 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: publicity actually, because those who didn't know about her or 531 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: didn't hear that she's launching it up now do Yeah. Well, 532 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: the judge suggested that could she launch in January because 533 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: that would then mean it's nine months since she left, 534 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: But the Bikini Body Training Company said that that's peak 535 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: time in the fitness industry, so they don't want her 536 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: to proceed, which is quite interesting because you know January first, 537 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: that is the time when everyone starts making up their 538 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: New Year's resolutions, so it's very clever that they want 539 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: her to wait until March when everyone's sort of given 540 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: up their fitness because October, again, it's just before summer, 541 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: and summer is usually the period that everyone wants to 542 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: start exercising. Quite awkward because an old post has resurfaced 543 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: which shows Cas standing alongside Kayla during a shoot for Sweat, 544 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: and she captured the photo. I'm so often confused by 545 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: women who compete against each other. I simply don't understand 546 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: it because I'm constantly trying to surround myself with strong, empowered, 547 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: humble women. I know that's awkward, but we've got to 548 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: remember it's not Kayla that is pulling the trigger on 549 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: these court cases and saying, oh, let's sue her. It's 550 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: actually coming from the company that she has sold. Navy 551 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: Cass doesn't want to be a part of Sweat anymore 552 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: because Toby and Kayla don't own it. Yeah, we don't 553 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: know what has happened since they left. Well, this isn't 554 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: the first time that Kayla and her team have taken 555 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: a rival fitness influencer to court. Do you remember back 556 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen there was a media storm because Kayla 557 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: and Toby took Leanne Ratliffe to court, and she is 558 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: better known as Freely the Banana Girl. I have never 559 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: heard her name before. That just doesn't even sound but 560 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: that's because didn't. Freely went on a rant and started 561 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: saying all these really damaging things about Kayler. Yeah, it 562 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: was a defamation case over her YouTube con and Kayla 563 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: was seeking for the videos to be removed. The matter 564 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: was settled out of court and Freely had to take 565 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: down all of the content. Now, I would assume that 566 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: the Bikini Body company would have thought that this case 567 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: would have been settled out of court. So it seems 568 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: like Cass very much is standing her ground. So I'm 569 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: very interested to see what actually happens. How much money 570 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: does Cass have though, because if she spent over five 571 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars creating the app and then she's got 572 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend on 573 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: this court case, it's just crazy, but it shows you 574 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: how much money these apps are potentially making for her 575 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: to be like sticking to her guns in such a way. Well, 576 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: it might not be all her money either. I'm sure 577 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: she's got investors in the app, and then we just 578 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: slid off in the getaway car at the end. Shout 579 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: out to Taylor for coming through and see me rack 580 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: the stage. Travis Kelsey's ex, Kayla Nicole, has gone on 581 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: an unfollowing spree. The sports broadcaster and model dated Travis 582 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: on and off between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty two, 583 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: so things are fairly fresh anyway. She unfollowed Travis's teammate 584 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: Patrick Mayholmes, along with his wife Brittany and his brother Jackson. 585 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: Now all three still follow Kaylor and appear to be 586 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: close with her despite her split with Travis. Kayla was 587 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: such a good friend to Britney that she was even 588 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: a bridesmaid at her wedding. Now, Brittany does have one 589 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: point four million followers, so she probably hasn't noticed it 590 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: on follow. Oh you would notice. I would notice if 591 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: this was a very dear friend of mine. And it's 592 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: very interesting timing, isn't it. After they were all seen 593 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: with Taylor Swift at the recent Chiefs game. Well, it 594 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: is unclear when Kayla actually hit the unfollow button, but 595 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: it seems to be due to the fact that they 596 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: are hanging out with Taylor Swift. Because Brittany was spotted 597 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: standing right next to Taylor with her celebrity entourage at 598 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: the Chiefs game on Sunday. I couldn't believe there was 599 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: a photo and it was just Taylor, Blake, Lively, Ryan Reynolds, 600 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: and Sophie Turner, and I thought, no, wonder these tickets 601 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: are selling out. Apparently it's so hard to actually get 602 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: NFL tickets. Now, I think that Kayla's probably the only 603 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: woman in the world who is an enjoying following along 604 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: this love story. Can you imagine that, like you're dating 605 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: this guy for a couple of years, you break up, 606 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: and then he dates Taylor Swift like she's the most 607 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: likable person. I couldn't imagine having to then hate her 608 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: because you always disliked this. I do, girlfriend, I do 609 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: feel bad for her. Well, I'm jealous of all the 610 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: Chiefs players wives and girlfriends because this Brittany has got 611 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: herself in a great spot. Not only is she sitting 612 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: next to Taylor Swift at the games, but she's been 613 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: hanging out with her at dinners along with Blake and 614 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: Sophie the night before. They also had dinner after the 615 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: Chiefs game last week. Wouldn't you just feel so left 616 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: out if you were Kayla, because you were part of 617 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: this world, and then all these other cool people are in. Oh, 618 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: isn't she a sports reporter as well? So she's a 619 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: sports commentator. I all want to know, etiquette wise, when 620 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: can you unfollow your ex as friends? Well, in this instance, 621 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: if she didn't do it straight after the breakup, then 622 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't think she should have timed it with the 623 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: friendship with Taylor Swift, because that just looks pettyous. She 624 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: feels betrayed because I can imagine that maybe she'd reached 625 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: out to those friends when all of this Taylor Swift 626 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: news was happening, and maybe they sided with her and 627 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: said it was unfair. We don't know what went on 628 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: behind closed doors. In terms of when you should delete 629 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: an ex's friends. I find it very offensive when you're 630 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: the one that's being broken up with and you see 631 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: their friends unfollowing. Yeah, yeah, that really hurts. Yeah. I 632 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: don't If I'm the friend of someone and they get 633 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: broken up with, I don't generally unfollow them. I just 634 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: keep them around. There are people who want to block 635 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: and wipe everyone so that you never see the X again, 636 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: But I don't think that that's healthy. I like to 637 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: have a stalk. Well, I think that's how we're going 638 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: to wrap it up. If you do want to hear 639 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: more of our thoughts on the Maddie Jay, Clementine Ford, Tobaccle, 640 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: make sure to sign up to Outspoken Plus also, if 641 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: you could, We'd love if you could leave us a 642 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: five star review. This episode was recorded on the traditional 643 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. 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