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Speaker 1: Flexing Frooms on cater I'm very mindful of referring to
Speaker 1: people doing things as trends, because sometimes we just do
Speaker 1: stuff in big numbers. But for the last ten years,
Speaker 1: and for the ten years before that and the ten
Speaker 1: years before that, we've seen a ton of musicians move
Speaker 1: into acting. Who's to say, what was the intention to
Speaker 1: begin with? Maybe they always wanted to be an actor
Speaker 1: and became a musician. We've got Harry Styles, yep with Griana,
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, Billie Eilish, Ludacris.
Speaker 2: Lady Madonna, Madonna did some acting.
Speaker 1: Can we get a fact check on that one? Anyone
Speaker 1: from from the last five years? Prominent? Donald Glover he.
Speaker 2: Was an activist? But yeah, or was he different? It's
Speaker 2: different when it goes the other way?
Speaker 1: Oh, we all got We've got to know, No, it is.
Speaker 2: It's different when you become an actor to a musician.
Speaker 2: That's a harder jump. That's a harder jump because people
Speaker 2: don't take it through seeing who else. It's on the
Speaker 2: tip of my tongue. Donald Glover, Drake de Grassy, De
Speaker 2: Grassy came first matdow khin radio presenter into being a musician. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it's multimus, I'm in touch.
Speaker 1: Thank you, we'll get that fact check. We'll say it
Speaker 1: for like a little treat, little treat for us. Now,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I want to call it a trend,
Speaker 1: but it's an observation that I'm seeing and when I
Speaker 1: observe things, I want to pull them apart and see
Speaker 1: why that could be happening. Now, thanks to TikTok kind
Speaker 1: of exposing the reality is what it is to be
Speaker 1: a musician for people who are up and coming and
Speaker 1: trying to break in. It's illuminated in more ways than one,
Speaker 1: how exploitative the industry can be. People signing these contracts
Speaker 1: that are trapping them into making no money for an
Speaker 1: extended period of time, signing away their creative rights, their
Speaker 1: creative intention, and becoming their likeness, their likeness, all of
Speaker 1: the above, and so have some to think maybe, if
Speaker 1: we want to be critical, maybe it's just not sustaining
Speaker 1: to be a successful musician, aside from the fact that
Speaker 1: you know you won't make a lot of money with streams,
Speaker 1: and so you have to tour back to back to back
Speaker 1: to back, hasn't. Harry Star has been on tour for
Speaker 1: like three jillion years. He has all you do a
Speaker 1: little one tour and charge six thousand dollars a La
Speaker 1: Taylor loves dollars. It's a lot of money. Though you
Speaker 1: can see the whole thing on TikTok. Everyone's like, how
Speaker 1: can she charge this much? Master's price gouging.
Speaker 2: I thought you meant she earned six thousand, Come on, now,
Speaker 2: be for real.
Speaker 1: And so I thought, maybe being a musician isn't inherently.
Speaker 2: Attacks a lot. To be fair, she got a haven
Speaker 2: in Panama, perhaps off the coast, little beach shack, flying
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Speaker 2: like carly enough.
Speaker 1: M. Then we think is because being a musician isn't
Speaker 1: sustainable and being an actor is a far more I
Speaker 1: would say, maybe reasonable way to make your money. You
Speaker 1: know what you're signing up for, you know how much
Speaker 1: you're gonna make. You do the job, you get paid,
Speaker 1: it's done. Whereas you're a musician, let's say you're someone
Speaker 1: with an intense hype train around them, like when Frank
Speaker 1: Ocean took a five year hiatus. You're coming back to
Speaker 1: so much immense pressure before you've even made the money.
Speaker 1: You spend five years making an album, you release it,
Speaker 1: you get a few streams, you might not make any money.
Speaker 2: J reckon he was working every day or having little
Speaker 2: holidays to work. That's true in the creative process. I
Speaker 2: apologize missed Ocean.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to add?
Speaker 2: What a voice?
Speaker 1: Do it be worked every day?
Speaker 2: No, I'm actually wondering because like, like if you're not
Speaker 2: in the creative industries, you'd be like why does it?
Speaker 2: You know, people say like when's the album? Whn's the album?
Speaker 2: Like he were having creative ruts.
Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, he took that long because he
Speaker 1: was he was finding a really clever way to get
Speaker 1: out of his contracts, not get out of them, but
Speaker 1: to fulfill the obligations of his contracts really quickly and
Speaker 1: make twenty million dollars releasing Endless with.
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