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Speaker 1: morning Katie. Thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Nairi.

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Speaker 1: I know that last night you did facilitate a discussion

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Speaker 1: a way forward. Talk us through exactly what you did yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so thanks Katie. I was able to meet with

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Speaker 2: the work that I've been doing, the work that a

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Speaker 1: Well, Look, I want to say from the art sets,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're right, Katie, I did have it in

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Speaker 2: And then the second one is supporting this local group.

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Speaker 1: Again, there's so many messages flowing through on our techline.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I couldn't agree more and I think every other

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Speaker 2: Let's be the community's voice and the change agents. Let's

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Speaker 2: And it was completely agreed. Yes, I've never mentioned Wilagi.

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Speaker 2: I'm not the member for Wallagi. I told the Channel

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Speaker 3: That bit out. We'll we'll stay though on the message.

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Speaker 3: Going to live in a war zone?

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Speaker 1: For too many, far too many housing commission houses in

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Speaker 1: Where is the government's duty of care for the hard working,

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Speaker 2: There is nothing in that statement that I have not

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Speaker 1: This is another question that's just come through, and I

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Speaker 3: What happens next?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. So when I put it to

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Speaker 2: they took it upon themselves to say, let's get back

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Speaker 2: Let's hear your stories, and how do we actually elect

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Speaker 1: The difficulty here is an IRI as well, is that

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Speaker 1: I always think it's really important to front up and

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, Kate. And if anybody knows me my characteristics

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Speaker 2: in the long term, Katie, if this community voice has

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Speaker 3: Niri are kit.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time this morning, and like I said,

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Speaker 1: Some people are really skeptical, some people are really glad

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Speaker 3: Me too, Katie, Thanks, Thanks Nyrie, I appreciate it.