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Speaker 1: morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Leah. Look, these incidents are becoming all too common, and

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Speaker 3: It's terrifying, and I think just about every day now

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Speaker 3: It's a terrifying sit situation and it just shows very

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Speaker 3: And we're seeing that now, eight years into a weakening

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Speaker 1: Think in a situation like this, So you know, one

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Speaker 1: and get the get the territory back on track, particularly

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Speaker 1: when it comes to crime and personal safety. But the

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Speaker 1: big thing here is, you know, from a lot of

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Speaker 1: the policies that you are talking about in terms of

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Speaker 1: you know, knife crime, in terms of serious crime, in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know, a minimum mandatory sentence, all that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff, it is going to mean that there's

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Speaker 1: going to be more people going to prison.

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Speaker 2: So where are they going to go?

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Speaker 3: Yep, And we will let everyone know that full plan. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: we will announce all of those details on how we

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Speaker 3: will be housing more prisoners because you're right, Katie, there

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Speaker 3: are people on our street right now who shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: and that's because we have a government who puts the

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Speaker 3: rights of offenders to be free above your right to

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Speaker 3: be saved. A government that is weakened the laws, taken

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Speaker 3: powers away from police, and continues to bury its head

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Speaker 3: in the sand. And so we are very clear that

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Speaker 3: tougher laws and a safe community means more people in prison,

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Speaker 3: which means we need more facilities.

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Speaker 1: We should the media be allowed into don Dale right now?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: We've just had a riot where fourteen young people have

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Speaker 3: been charged. We've got police who've been badly assaulted in

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Speaker 3: that riot, and now the media have been blocked out.

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Speaker 3: I mean again, this is a government that will say

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Speaker 3: and do anything to try and claw back votes. I

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Speaker 3: mean the election is looming and their desperation is evident.

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Speaker 3: And that's why again it comes back to that issue

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Speaker 3: of trust. We had this same government, Evin Laula as

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Speaker 3: Infrastruction Minister tell Territorians about wear and tear at Howard Springs.

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Speaker 3: You know it was only where in tear or was

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Speaker 3: it only where in tear at don Dale at.

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Speaker 2: The moment, Well we might never know.

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Speaker 1: Actually, just text that through it, ask that. But I've

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Speaker 1: got a message here from Redge in Darwin, CBD. He said,

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Speaker 1: can you please ask Lea if the CLP's got to

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Speaker 1: get rid of the BS floor pricing?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we are.

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Speaker 3: The floor price is going go and go on under

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Speaker 3: a CLP government this August. It's done nothing but drive

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Speaker 3: people to hard spirits. This government doesn't report on it

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Speaker 3: or tell people how it's made a difference, other than

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Speaker 3: to jack up the price and turn people off wine

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Speaker 3: and onto spirits. I had a community meeting with Brian

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Speaker 3: O'Gallagher out in Karama the other day and this issue

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Speaker 3: came up, with residents saying since the floor prices come in,

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Speaker 3: things have never been worse in their suburbs.

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Speaker 1: Leah, thank you as always for your time. We are

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Speaker 1: going to have to leave it there. We'll catch up

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Speaker 1: with you again next week.

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Speaker 2: Take care everyone. Thank you,