1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: Today on the pod we have Aussie actor Thomas Cockerell, 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: and he is here to talk about his new show 9 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: All Her Fault, starring Sarah Snook and Dakota Fanning. Dakota 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: Fanning plays his wife in this psychological crime thriller. 11 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: Now, for in Australia, you can watch it on Binge. 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: If you're in America you can watch on Peacock and 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: if you're in the UK you can watch it on Sky. 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: It is officially out unavailable. Now do you have a 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: favor go and watch it. I have got one and 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: a half episodes left and I am on the edge 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: of my seat trying to figure this out. 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: It is such a great show. 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: Now, this episode is for a creative anyone with a 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: passion with a be actor, musician, writer, director. This episode 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: is view Tom came through the ranks of NIDER and 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 1: did all of his training there, but also talks about 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: the difference between being all that theater training and then 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: being on a film or a TV set, And he 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: really opens up and shares his techniques and tricks for 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: when he feels a little bit blocked or if he's 27 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: trying to shake a character off. No spoilers here, but 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: music plays a big role. 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: In Tom's life. 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: I hope you find this episode as inspiring as I did. 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: Tom, You're a flip and legend. Shout out to your mum. 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: She sounds wonderful. Welcome to the pod. Thomas cockerel Am 33 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: I saying that right? Yeah, And now I get so 34 00:01:59,240 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: nervous with name. 35 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: You said it right. I actually just did. 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 4: A little Esquire thing where I said Thomas Cockrell because 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 4: I say Thomas Cockrell or Tom Cockrell. Naturally you say 38 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: that either or I mean it's different in French too, 39 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 4: So it's in French. 40 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you've got a Paris history. 41 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 4: I do, Yeah, French history, dads, Dad's French. So I 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 4: grew up in France when I was young. 43 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: And Houston, Texas and Houston, Texas and Los Angeles La 44 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: for a bit it was Pasadena, so it doesn't really 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: count as I. 46 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: Love that you just said that. Do you know what? 47 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 4: Someone said that to me the other day. They're like, yeah, 48 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 4: but it's Pasadena. Wasn't the real La? 49 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it does feel far away to 50 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: Ossie's listening to it, it feels like to get to 51 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: pass it. It also feels like Pasadena is like a 52 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: cute little Halloween village. That's how it feels to me, 53 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: like they shot and they shot literally Halloween there, like 54 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: Michael Meyer's house is there, Jamie Lee Curtis's house is there. 55 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: They call it a town, don't they. 56 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: It's a town. It's a doubt. 57 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: I remember when we first got here because I'm sure 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: you know this, but like, renting in LA is wildly expensive. 59 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: So we're like, oh, let's just check out Pasadena. And 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: we were like, oh no, that's just like we're in 61 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: LA to be in La. 62 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: We've got we've got it. Suck it up. It's way cheaper, 63 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: like by a thousand bucks, right. 64 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: Yeah that counts. But then it's just that extra drive, 65 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: I guess. 66 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, and it's gorgeous like Pasadena and this is 67 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: like a huge diggression, but it's a gorgeous town, stunning 68 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: and like where is this? So yeah, yeah, okay. I 69 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: get so excited when actors come on the pod, and 70 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: I am going to shamelessly admit I have binge watched. 71 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: I've got one and a half episodes left to go 72 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: of all her faults. 73 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: That's really cool. 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: Congrats, thank you. How do you feel You've just come 75 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: straight from New York from the premiere? 76 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 4: I have, Yeah, I just got in last night, a 77 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 4: couple of days here on my way back home. 78 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: I'm jealous though. 79 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 4: I got sent a link to the first two episodes 80 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 4: back when before it came out, and I haven't actually 81 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 4: I watched three last night and I haven't watched the 82 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 4: rest of it. So you're you know more than I do. Well, 83 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 4: I've seen more than I do. I've seen a lot 84 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 4: of character. 85 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing, like your the reasony. 86 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: I was like when I got sent the screener, because 87 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: I only got sent the screen yesterday's it's like shivers, 88 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: like I'm going to have to do some biting. 89 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: Totally fine with that. 90 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: But i'd seen on TikTok there's this scene where your wife, 91 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: Dakota Fanning rips into not to give too much away, 92 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: and it's kind of going a bit viral deservedly. 93 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: So on TikTok so I was like, I've got to 94 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: get to that scene. 95 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: And I got to that on TikTok people that scene okay, cool. 96 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: So people obviously binging just like me. 97 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 3: There's something like that. Yeah that works. 98 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So your character, Richie, you're Richie is a 99 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: bit can we say. 100 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 4: I said manchild the other day. I don't know if 101 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 4: I haven't been pulled up on it, but that's what 102 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 4: he is. Yes, I mean, it's he's a good guy. 103 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 4: He's a nice guy. He tries his best, but he 104 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 4: is the kind of guy you know. I felt that, 105 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: like would call taking care of his own son babysitting, 106 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: like he's just you know, she she really it's just 107 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 4: the three of them in the family. She really has 108 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 4: two boys to take care of. 109 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 3: You can't. 110 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: There's something a little melancholy about him, too, rich like 111 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of like maybe lost his way. 112 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 4: He's a bit of a Peter Pan. He hasn't grown up. 113 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 4: And you know, the more I kind of worked on him, 114 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 4: I was doing it or talking to people like there's 115 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 4: a lot of guys out there like that, and so 116 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 4: you know, try to handle it with care and. 117 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: Make it as real as possible. But you know, there's 118 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 3: room to grow, and there's room for him to grow. 119 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 4: And I guess the arc is the arc. And I 120 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 4: can't say too much, but you know, he's just what 121 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 4: he is. 122 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: He's just doing his best, and like again, not so 123 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: too much, but I think people will know from the 124 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: trailer there this is a psychological thriller and it's kind 125 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: of like heavy stuff going on. 126 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: We can say that it's about a child deduction. 127 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 4: It is, yeah, yeah, so their stuff is separate, I 128 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 4: guess to the main story, but it does kind of 129 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 4: point to what the show is really about, which is, 130 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 4: you know, women today and women in the workplace as 131 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 4: mothers and kind of what It's got a really nice, clear, 132 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: interesting and intelligent lens on modern relationships and where. 133 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: Kind of women fit into that. How do you? How 134 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: are you a mother? How do you deal with guilts? 135 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: And it definitely touches on mum gilts. 136 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah sure, that. 137 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 4: First episode for sure, Yeah, just really hits hard. 138 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: So it's set in Chicago, but I am a nerd 139 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: and researched. 140 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 2: You shot in Melbourne. We shot in Melbourne Olds, I know. 141 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: We shot I think there for like three months, two 142 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: and a half months or something, and I think they 143 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: only had about two or three days in Chicago to 144 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: get the you know, some of the exteriors and whatnot. 145 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: But you wouldn't. No, it's crazy movie TV magic. 146 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, total TV. And is it true? So you're a 147 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: night of kiddo you come through? Yeah, I have to 148 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: ask you got in first try? 149 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 4: That is unheard of, I got. Yeah, we had in 150 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: my year. It was pretty common for some reason. 151 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: But yeah, it is. I got very lucky. I did. 152 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: I came out of school. 153 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 4: Never thinking that that was going to be a possibility, 154 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: but did think that that was something that I did 155 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 4: want to do, and I did an audition straight out 156 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 4: of school at the time. 157 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: I then I went to UNI. 158 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 4: First, I was doing a Bachelor of Arts at UNSW 159 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 4: Theater and film and a bit of business and whatnot there, 160 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: and I was doing night of courses at night and 161 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 4: it was across the road, so I did kind of 162 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: plant the seeds and prepare for it. And then my 163 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: first audition was at the end of my second year 164 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 4: in my Bachelor of Arts, which was going to be 165 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: my practice audition, so I think I kind of came 166 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 4: in with the right mindset. Yeah, not expecting it and 167 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: having kind of been near it and wasn't afraid of 168 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 4: the place, and you know, you build it up as 169 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: a as a kid. 170 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: And oh yeah, especially in Australia. 171 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: And scary, but you know it was it was a 172 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 4: second home in some ways by that point, and I 173 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 4: didn't take it too seriously. I also had like I 174 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 4: had braces at the time, long hair and just you know, 175 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 4: full of insecurity. I really didn't think it was going 176 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 4: to work out, so I think I came in so 177 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: relaxed and then obviously you get call back and callback 178 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 4: and callback. It's about a five day process, so the 179 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 4: closer I got, the. 180 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: More daunting it was. But yeah, it did. It did 181 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: work out, which was very cool. 182 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: I still remember my first night audition. I walked in 183 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: there like euro crocodile and I was like, what you 184 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: like to be a crocodile right now? 185 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: And that was my first and I was like, holy shit. 186 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 3: Be a crocodile or just your crocodile, Like. 187 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: I had to come into the space and be like 188 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: embody a crocodile. 189 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you feel about that out, Like, I 190 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: feel like we do get trained to that. 191 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: If you do theater school, if you come through theater school. 192 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 4: Yeah that makes sense now Like if someone told me 193 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 4: that today, I'm like, yeah, I know how to do that. 194 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: I did that for three years. 195 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But I mean I think it's just. 196 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: So funny say it to like somebody that hasn't done there, 197 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: like you what but then how beautiful. I don't know 198 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: who said it, but a lot of people say, like 199 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: theater school is just so good for being a human, 200 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: Like you learn to play and all these you learn 201 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: these skills that you're not really going to learn anywhere else. 202 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: And is it true? Sarah Snook was like a couple 203 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: of years ahead. 204 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 3: She just left I think when I got in. 205 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: So we knew each other from you know, the events 206 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: and the plays and whatnot and fours and this and that, 207 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 4: and so we were light friends, knew. 208 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: Of each other. 209 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 4: But but yeah, kind of you know, to them work 210 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 4: with each other so many years after there is a 211 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 4: common ground there. 212 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: Pretty nice, yeah, yeah, very pretty like sweet And it 213 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: was so nice to watch and be like, hang on, 214 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: that's an AUSI actor. 215 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: Oh, that's an AUSI actor. Oh, that's not like there's. 216 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 4: Just so many so many yeah, I mean, of course 217 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 4: being being done in Melbourne, but and it's so many 218 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 4: friends of mine too on the show. It was just 219 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 4: you know, those green rooms were really really fun. 220 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: Really okay, So I have to also ask I can't 221 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: have you on the pod without talking about the guilded ays. 222 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah wow okay. So first of all, that was shot 223 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: during COVID. 224 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: Right, that was during co Yeah. 225 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 4: That was a special experience but like kind of heartbreaking 226 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 4: at the same time. I'd just come out of a 227 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 4: bit of a you know, a rut as we as 228 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 4: we do, and so that was a big win and 229 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 4: very exciting. At the end of twenty nineteen, moved the 230 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: beginning of twenty twenty, we had I think about six 231 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 4: weeks of prep and rehearsals costume, and they built everything 232 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 4: and I feel like anyquat classes too, etiquite classes to 233 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 4: learn how to walk with a cane, yeah, tip a 234 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 4: top hat and even you know, ride a horse and 235 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 4: carriage too, which which was cool. But then four days 236 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 4: before we started shooting COVID hits, everything was kind of 237 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: put on pause. I mean, the whole world as we know, 238 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 4: but we didn't think it was to pick back up, 239 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 4: but they did. I mean, I think they'd spent so 240 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 4: much money on the costumes and the sets that they 241 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 4: couldn't really let a show like that fall to the wayside. 242 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: How lucky though, like very lucky. 243 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: I've interviewed other actors that have been in a very 244 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: similar boat shows and see you later. 245 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: Everything just disappeared. 246 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 4: So we were very lucky that that they couldn't really 247 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 4: afford to do that. I think we got back on it. 248 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 4: So that was what Feb or mid feb. And then 249 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 4: we were back on set in September quite a long time. 250 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: Before because New York got hit so COVID hit. 251 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 4: They were like the last show to like not let 252 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 4: it go, like they did not want to, like not film. 253 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 4: They're like, no, we'll be fine, and then they really 254 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 4: did have to. When Tom Hanks guided in the NBA 255 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 4: and I luckily my friend Harry Richardson, we're old friends. 256 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 4: We got the show together by fluke, which was crazy. 257 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: So were you staying together living. 258 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: A block away from each in Williamsburg. He was like, 259 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 3: let's get out of here. 260 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 4: I wouldn't have if he didn't pull me out, so 261 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 4: we did get out and then I was back home 262 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: for you know, six seven months before back in New York. 263 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 4: So thank god I didn't have to do you know, 264 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 4: the cover lockdowns in New York. 265 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: You know New York was so scary. Yeah, I was 266 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: in La La was pretty scary. Yeah, wild time. 267 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 4: It was fine in Australia that that early part was 268 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 4: kind of wonderful. 269 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, very nice. 270 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: I feel like Ozzie's like anyone that was an Australian 271 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: actor living over here and got to go back home 272 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: was just like, oh my goodness, what gift. Whereas I 273 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: had to stay but had to go back for a 274 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: book tour and they put me on a Postal Service 275 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: flight from San Fran, fifteen people on the whole plane 276 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: and the like the government had to like prove you 277 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: and then there was like a whole sheriff thing, like 278 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: the two week quarantine in the hotel. Yeah, all that mental, 279 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: but you know what, it's as full on as it was, like, 280 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: what a privilege to even be able to like do 281 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: that and go home and. 282 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: You know, and listened. 283 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 4: We got lucky, the show got back up on his feet, 284 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: and then we had a great time. It was a 285 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: a weird thing to do, you know, you you I 286 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 4: got excited to kind of really dive into that world 287 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 4: and play make believe. Yeah, and it's hard to really 288 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 4: feel like you're you're in the eighteenth century with a 289 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 4: duck mast. 290 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 3: It's on every day, every day. 291 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: But it was so fun doing it, like such a 292 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: cool like this is the creators of Downton Abbey, like 293 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: a period aece, and like you're fully transforming from like 294 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: the person I'm looking at today. 295 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: I imagine. That's just so fun to like dive into 296 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 2: a whole other world. 297 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: So cool, so special. I think my favorite day was 298 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: this day at we shot at Bethesda Fountain in Central Okay. 299 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, beautiful, And that was. 300 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 3: One of the bigger amount of extras we had. 301 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 4: I mean, it's three sixty and you just what you 302 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 4: were back in time in Central Park. There was no 303 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: denying it and really really special, really cool, good appearance. 304 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 305 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: It must have just been like, yeah, just a total 306 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: pinch yourself kind of moment. And then to be like, 307 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just love the idea of like 308 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: jumping in a whole other world. 309 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: This is a really nerdy question. 310 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: I ask a lot of actors this I don't think 311 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: the ones that you've listened to though, so I'm probably 312 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: gonna it a bit specifically for that carry you were 313 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: like a dappa lawyer, right and falling in love and 314 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: fleeing all that kind of fun stuff. But like having 315 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: such a like physical transformation, wearing like a three peace 316 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: suit and top hat and whatnot. You an actor that 317 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: has us like I know some people like the shoes. 318 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: Well really like the way I walk. 319 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, do you have for. 320 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: You like when you do those costume fittings, you helped 321 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: you find the character, Yeah, for sure. 322 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: And that's actually not to bring it back to COVID. 323 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 4: That's what bothered me, Like to wear a mask took 324 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 4: me out of it and I could never really feel 325 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 4: like I was in the place or in the time, 326 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 4: you know, just that time between takes and whatnot. It 327 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 4: was so and we all said there was not much, 328 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 4: you know, time together. We were in these little plastic 329 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 4: boxes and separate in between scenes. 330 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: Louisa who played my love. 331 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 4: Interest, lou and I we had this, you know, we 332 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 4: have a big romantic scene in the middle of that 333 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 4: our first season, and I remember we had to kiss 334 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 4: and it was mask off kiss and then we were 335 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 4: chatting right when they yelled Carter or just having a moment, 336 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 4: and they were. 337 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: Like mask up, mask like literally kids, and then you 338 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: have to reshoot it like you're doing. 339 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 4: Multiple, multiple takes, and it was just like mask ups, 340 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: like if we can't be the only two that cannot 341 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 4: be masked up, you know. But there was something jarring 342 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 4: about not being able to really let go and and 343 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 4: go back in time in that in that sense. 344 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be hard. 345 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 4: I felt little blocked in that and just building camaraderie 346 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 4: with the other actors, and you know that it was 347 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,359 Speaker 4: a it was a difficult It was a very exciting, 348 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 4: very you know, it was a big win, it felt, 349 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 4: but it was tough because I just didn't really get 350 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: to sink into that and the project and spend as 351 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 4: much time with everyone as I. 352 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: And hyper aware of this like vigilance that's gone on 353 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: around you. 354 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. 355 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: So you mentioned blocked, and I think that like some 356 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: a lot of actors like don't ever really share like 357 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: like what do you do when you do get a 358 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: bit blocked or if you're on a set like I 359 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: also think there's a big gap between acting school and 360 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: working on a set massive, and they're. 361 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: Kind of different ballgames. 362 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: Like one is like you're pouring your heart over some 363 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: beautiful play for like months on end, and then all 364 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like hit that mark, shoot coverage first, 365 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: then shoot yours, and then like let's do. 366 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: That a couple of times. Like, yeah, it's a whole 367 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: different beast. 368 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: So, like, do you have any moments where you've ever 369 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: ever felt either a blocked or too like in your 370 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: head a little bit where and if you have what's 371 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: kind of been a good process, like is it connecting 372 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: to breadth? Is it just like taking a beat, connecting 373 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: with the other actor. 374 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 4: There's two things I think you get from drama school 375 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 4: and one helps you and one doesn't. But like they 376 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: they do allow so much time. You get so much 377 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 4: time to work on these projects. You're often like a 378 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 4: lead role in some sort of play here or there, 379 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 4: and then support here and whatever. But the amount of 380 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 4: prep that you get to do and the exercises and 381 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 4: the character development and working with others and you get 382 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 4: to find it and so that part's wonderful. But then 383 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 4: you realize when you leave drama school that that all 384 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 4: has to be private. You don't get that time with 385 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 4: other people, and especially when you're working on a project 386 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 4: like that where you feel blocked and you can't do 387 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 4: it because of one reason or another, one being COVID. 388 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 4: But then the second thing that you really get from 389 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 4: drama school is resilience and speed and a sense of 390 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: self and self trust, where you know, I felt lucky 391 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 4: that even though there's problems or blocks or whatever is 392 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 4: working against you, I do have a pretty good sense 393 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 4: of self as an actor and a trust in my talent, 394 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 4: I guess, and my work. So you just lean back 395 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 4: on that, and that's where the training does kick in, 396 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 4: where you don't get that time to rehearse, and you 397 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 4: don't get to time to see a scene done where 398 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: you can see people's mouths, you know, and the first 399 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 4: time that you actually get to see someone smile and 400 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: take he's on the first take. He's a wild experience 401 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 4: and something that isn't really fair as an actor when 402 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 4: you want to be workshopping things and finding a moment. 403 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 4: But I do feel like I'm pretty listen. I like 404 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 4: the luxury of being able to dive in and do 405 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 4: a lot of work, but I'm also pretty resilient and 406 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 4: able to just go with the flow and find it 407 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: when I don't have much too, when I'm not given. 408 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: Much, I reckon resilience is like a superpower if you've 409 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: got that, like as an actor, as any like, no 410 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: matter what your goal is. I think that it's a 411 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: really important attribute to have for sure. Yeah, And I think, 412 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: like you said, you've got a sense you said, like 413 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: you almost like trust yourself and this like awareness of self. 414 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: But I also think that's like confidence in yourself as 415 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: well to be like, do you know what not? 416 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: No, Like this is harder, but I can do this, 417 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: you know. 418 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: And I think that like that confidence speaks volumes as well. 419 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: When you're in a room and needing to show up 420 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: and need to be. 421 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: Really present, it's it's literally go be a crocodile. 422 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: That's what it is. 423 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 4: To bring it back, Yes, is that it's you know, 424 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 4: when you're asked to do something ridiculous, you just do it. 425 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 4: And it's a balance between confidence and vulnerability. 426 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, one hundred percent. I love that? 427 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: Is it? 428 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: So is it correct me if this timeline is wrong 429 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: or right out straight out of drama school, out of 430 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: night you were essentially working with Anthony Hopkins. 431 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, within the year was pretty yeah, pretty close. 432 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: So he is famous for he's really you know what 433 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: he's famous for. 434 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 4: I know what he's famous for, and I don't know 435 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: whether I should say what I'm about to say. 436 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: But go why not do it? But he reads the 437 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: script like a crazy amount of times, like that's what 438 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: they say, Yeah, like one hundred. 439 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: And twenty something crazy working with him, like, obviously he's 440 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: a great Was there anything that you were like, oh 441 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: my goodness, thank you on putting that in my back pocket. 442 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: I feel like you're about to say this is no. 443 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, but because I still he must he must do. 444 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 4: He's Anthony Hopkins. He's the greatest of all time. But 445 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 4: speaking of back pocket, like I had no lines in 446 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 4: the scene. I was still so nervous about doing my 447 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: scenes with him that I had my lines in my 448 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 4: back pocket, and he did ask me between takes for 449 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 4: his lines. 450 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: Really, so clearly he does for other things. 451 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 4: But on that, you know, I did see another side 452 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 4: to him because i'd heard the same thing that he was, 453 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: you know totally, but I think he just he was 454 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 4: also in a place of play too, and that the 455 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: film kind of lent itself to that. And he's doing 456 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 4: a scene where you know, I kidnapped him, so I 457 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 4: had a face mask on and I couldn't talk. So 458 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 4: the only the only scene I had with Anthony Hopkins 459 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 4: was silent on my part. So I don't think he 460 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 4: needed to per se stick to the script, and that's 461 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 4: why he was, you know, in a place where he 462 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 4: was ready to work with the material and not be 463 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 4: you know, totally word perfect. 464 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: That is a great story, by the way, but he 465 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: also talks about being relaxed, and I guess that is 466 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: one way of looking at that situation as well. 467 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: I've just been so trusting. 468 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 4: I was blown away because he came in he'd grown 469 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 4: his hair out, and you know, he's kidnapped for a 470 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 4: certain amount of months, and so he came in with 471 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 4: long hair and did everything backwards, which for me was 472 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 4: like the first coming from theater school, was like the 473 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 4: first time I'd really seen out of order kind of 474 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 4: work or filming and production. So I was blown away 475 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 4: by him starting with being you know, in the cell 476 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 4: or chamber for a couple of months and then slowly 477 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: looking better and having his hair shorter and shorter and 478 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 4: doing his performance backwards. Was was unbelievable to watch a 479 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 4: bad age and so young. 480 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 481 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: Well, and to the listener like that is how like 482 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: most film and TV has done, it's shot totally out 483 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: of sequence, right, yeah, yeah. 484 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 3: Which is something you don't get at drama school. 485 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: Right. 486 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: That's part of the challenge coming out and not understanding that. 487 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: Another question that I've randomly found weird facts about you. 488 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: Is it true that you're a fan of Hook. 489 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 3: Hook Yeah, the movie? 490 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, well Hook, Yeah, fan of it. 491 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: But I think mum, it's. 492 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 2: Your first memory. 493 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 4: I'm told, well, no, I don't know if I could 494 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 4: have remembered it. I don't know what year it came out, 495 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 4: eighty nine or ninety. Mom said, that's the first movie 496 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 4: I went to. 497 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: I remember seeing Hook and in eighty nine. 498 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 3: I think it was in the I think it might 499 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 3: have been eighty nine or ninety. 500 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: So I reckon, you're right. 501 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 4: I love it, but I don't know, and I can't 502 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 4: say I remember seeing it in the cinema, but I 503 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 4: think it was the first movie Mum took me to 504 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 4: when I. 505 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 3: Was a baby. 506 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: That's a pretty good one. 507 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty good. 508 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: But that's pretty iconic. 509 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But then your first memories of Blake being 510 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: obsessed with stuff is Indiana Jones, Harrison Ford Vice. 511 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I mean that was always like a 512 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 4: massive hook for me. 513 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 3: Think, yeah, look again it. 514 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 4: I mean I Spilberg was in. So I remember doing 515 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 4: a school project on Steven Spielberg, and I'd never really 516 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 4: thought about movie making before that, and I think I 517 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 4: even failed the project because I didn't actually do the 518 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 4: work or make the presentation. I was so obsessed with 519 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 4: the material. I went to the library and got every 520 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 4: book on movie making and learned about Spielberg and learned 521 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 4: so much about it that I just I was obsessed 522 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 4: from that day on. I think I failed the assignment, 523 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 4: but really it kickstarted. 524 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: In because you want to be you want to be directed, 525 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: like I. 526 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 3: Was always it. Yeah. 527 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 4: I got three sisters and we traveled around a lot 528 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: growing up, so we were always very close, and Mum 529 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 4: was very good at making home videos, I guess, and 530 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 4: filming us and I slowly kind of moved into that 531 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 4: after that project and would steal the family camera and 532 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 4: start making movies with my sisters. And then there was 533 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 4: a there was a Steven Spielberg lego movie maker kid 534 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 4: that came out right and I got that and then 535 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 4: started making stop motion amazing that and. 536 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: Learned editing through that. 537 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 4: And I was, you know, seven or eight at the time, 538 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 4: so that really at a young age, that was the obsession. 539 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, that's a pretty good and that's why. 540 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: I wanted to be a director. But yeah, I was 541 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: always doing it. 542 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 4: But I think the it also was like I never 543 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 4: thought acting was possible, and for some reason as a kid, 544 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: directing seemed a lot easier because you have control, Yeah, 545 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 4: and you don't have to wait for someone else. 546 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: I get that kind of tracks that track. 547 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 3: So that's why. 548 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 4: Actually I went to you in s w and I 549 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 4: was studying you know, film there. I did think I 550 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 4: was going to do a Bachelor of Arts there and 551 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 4: then transfer and try and go to the USC here 552 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 4: and study film over here. 553 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 3: Oh wait, yeah, and la I was looking at courses 554 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: over there. 555 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: Not to put you on the spot, but is directing 556 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: something you would ever explore down the track? 557 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, absolutely. 558 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 4: It's just I mean, I know a lot of the 559 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 4: people that you talk to talk about writing as well, 560 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 4: and that's something that I kind of struggle with. So 561 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 4: I feel like that's my my block is just not 562 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 4: being able to I've got writing partners and work with 563 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 4: other people. But I think just growing up and being 564 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 4: kind of bilingual, there was always an insecurity of being wrong, 565 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: and so I kind of struggle with the written word, 566 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 4: even with emails now and stuff. I just I know 567 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 4: that you can read a script and read it so 568 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 4: many different ways. I see the possibility of the written 569 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 4: word being expressed in so many different ways that I 570 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 4: struggle with actually putting pen interesting, having that finality, it feels. 571 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: It feels so final and sure of itself. 572 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: So not to give your homework. 573 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: But the Martin Scorsese doco on Apple I heard, that's 574 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: amazing because he draws everything. Oh right, so he'll get 575 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: given us. He doesn't always write scripts. He'll get given 576 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: us and he'll just draw. That's every shot I should 577 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: be doing, every single shot. 578 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: That's my block. 579 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: It's really if. 580 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: You love Robert de Niro two, it's so fun because 581 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: it's kind of a doco about the two of their relationship. 582 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 3: What does make sense? I mean, film is a visual medium. 583 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: It's not always you know. 584 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: This is why actors make great directors as well, because 585 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: they've got that one like lived experience. 586 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 4: But two like it's and I do feel like when 587 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 4: I have you know, directed shorts and nothing as out there. 588 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 4: But I do have an eye and an act for it. 589 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: But that makes that makes sense. You know, I'm a 590 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: huge fan of Buster Keaton and. 591 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: I don't know I know who that is. 592 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 3: He was, he was like him. 593 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 4: And Charlie Chaplin were the two big silent film stars, 594 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 4: and he like Chaplain was you know, silent comedies. But 595 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 4: I just I think he's so much better in a 596 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 4: way too, and just deeper. 597 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: You give me homework. 598 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 4: Go watch the Buster Keating from the general is really 599 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 4: really incredible. But I mean they just it is visual. 600 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 4: It's just comes from what you see and not what 601 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 4: you hear. Sometimes I love. 602 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: It, Okay, I have to I just want to ask 603 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more about all her fault and then 604 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: this is going so quick, and then we want I 605 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: want some advice for young actors. 606 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: Pick your brain, but I have to ask. 607 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: Having playing, like we talked about, the subject matter is 608 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: quite heavy. Did you have something that you would do, 609 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: like would you go home and like shower straight away 610 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: to let go of that energy, because although as you mentioned, 611 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: you and Dakota's family dynamics, it wasn't as heavily affected 612 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: as like Sarah Snook's family in it, but it's very 613 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: clear that your character isn't happy, So it's like a 614 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: heavy energy to sit with on set. I imagine you're 615 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: staying in that energy for a while when the camera 616 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: definitely when the cameras are rolling. 617 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: It's like, is there anything that you ever. 618 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: Do when you've got a heavy role when you home 619 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: or back to your hotel to kind of like decompress. 620 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, listen. 621 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 4: For All Her Fault, it didn't feel too heavy. It 622 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 4: was kind of a side quest. But I know when 623 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 4: I have felt that I've worked on some other stuff, 624 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 4: especially now, like I feel like a lot of the 625 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 4: roles I'm going for getting to play her a lot 626 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 4: darker and nuanced, which is good, but that comes with 627 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 4: a certain amount of. 628 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 3: Tax with it. 629 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 2: You've done some very scary, scary movies. 630 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 3: Scary movies. Too Safe Home was was pretty heavy. 631 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 4: That was an SBS series in Australia about domestic violence. 632 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 4: So there was a lot that we were working through 633 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 4: on that particularly, and that was another one that leaving set, 634 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 4: like All Her Fault, you do need to on wine 635 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 4: and let go, and I just find that through music. 636 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 4: I think I play a bit or listen to a bit, 637 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 4: and that can kind of normally get me through it. 638 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: But what do you play? 639 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 4: I play guitar and piano, and oh nice, that kind 640 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 4: of keeps you busy in between not working. 641 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of nice because it's that creative flow for 642 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: you as well. 643 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's kind of like feeding the same. 644 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: I used to play a lot more. 645 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 4: I had a band back when, and I kind of 646 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 4: used to even write songs for. 647 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: Characters and four wow, it's really really cool. 648 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 4: I've dropped off a little bit now with traveling and whatnot, 649 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 4: but I miss it and normally that gets me through. 650 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 4: I haven't leans on it nearly as much as I 651 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 4: should be or have been, but that's always been my 652 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: savior in the past. 653 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: Do you ever create like playlists or music for a character. Yeah, yeah, 654 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: and the same thing, like stuff that's heavier, it's. 655 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: Going to be even just like you know, you know, 656 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 4: you're on a heavy thing and I've got a mood 657 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 4: booster playlist that'll just get me out of it on 658 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 4: the drive home. 659 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 3: And that's a big on playlist. Oh, how that's a 660 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: ridiculous They've always got. 661 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: A punt in the name, and I really I take 662 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 4: great pride in my Spotify playlist. Oh yeah, I'm locked 663 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 4: into Spotify for life. 664 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: Put so much pride in my playlist. 665 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: Good, well, it's so good. 666 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: And this like is a great segue because, as I 667 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: mentioned the start, like, so many young actors listen to 668 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: this and I think, I don't know what it is, 669 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: But some people don't really share because it's kind of like, 670 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: like you said, all the work is done before you 671 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 1: get on set, right, And I think you've just explained 672 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: your super like visual and US music. Everyone's got a 673 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: different way in and a different there. We're here in 674 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: Los Angeles recording this. There are so many different. 675 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: Tons of acting out there as well. 676 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: You can go to so many different schools and learn 677 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: different styles and whatnot. 678 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: But I do like to ask acts, like, what is 679 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 2: your processes it? 680 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: Like, get that Spotify playlist, get the costume, like, get 681 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: really clear on intention. 682 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 3: It's project dependent. 683 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 4: I think, like I if I have the luxury, I 684 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 4: feel like, you know, earlier in my career, I was 685 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 4: lucky enough to be lead role in you know, a 686 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 4: couple of indie films, and you do get way more 687 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 4: time and way more time with the director to talk 688 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 4: about things and other actors to really delve in. And 689 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 4: I feel like those moments is really all about doing 690 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 4: as much homework and getting to build things. But working 691 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 4: in TV or support roles, that stuff kind of goes 692 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 4: by the wayside sometimes because you don't have that luxury 693 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 4: of having those discussions and being able to bounce ideas 694 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 4: off people. So I have had to lean on myself 695 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 4: a bit more, just find ways to do it quickly 696 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 4: or on my own and on the go, which is 697 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 4: not as fun or what you kind of hope to 698 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 4: be doing. But that self reliance is sometimes something I 699 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 4: need more more often than not. 700 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: I love that you've touched on it. 701 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: So here in LA you can get an audition at 702 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: four pm and it's due by nine am the next day. Yeah, 703 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: and I imagine like, did you get booked quite quick? 704 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 3: Like? 705 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: Can you for projects when you're playing a supporting role? 706 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: Are you getting booked pretty quick? 707 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,479 Speaker 3: Sometimes? Yeah? Sometimes I've had roles where you know an 708 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 3: actor had got it over me, You're down to the 709 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 3: last two. I was up for something, the. 710 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 4: Other guy got it, got to set, dropped out. 711 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: I got the corners on the plane next day and 712 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 3: then straight into it. 713 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 4: So that does happen, and I have I have had 714 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 4: that happen quite a few times actually, where I'm on 715 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 4: set within a week, oh wow something and there's no 716 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 4: time to do anything, more often lately than not. 717 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but and also like what it is, you just 718 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: go with it. 719 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: Yes, because with Gilded Age, your character had like quite 720 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: a last scene. 721 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a surprise for me. 722 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 4: Say, if anyone's listening, I did not know that was coming, 723 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 4: and I think I would have played everything very differently, 724 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 4: but I'd known that was the arc. But we got 725 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 4: an episode by episode, and when that came out, I 726 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 4: was shocked and incredibly disappointed. 727 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: Well, and this is my thing. 728 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: How often like in that scenario, if you get an episode, 729 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: how soon is it? 730 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: Like, so you get the script and then you're shooting. 731 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 4: Something like that, Like it affects you mean, it doesn't 732 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 4: affect your performance. 733 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 3: It's what it is. 734 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 4: But like I came into it really believing. 735 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 3: That they were going to go the distance or they 736 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 3: were going to do whatever. 737 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 4: So when that kind of shifts happened, you know the response. 738 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 4: I've had so many people come up to me after 739 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 4: and they're dirty with me. They're really a lot of 740 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 4: my mum's friends. I've watched it. They're like really disappointed 741 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 4: in me, and I'm like, it wasn't my fault, and 742 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 4: so maybe it's a blessing. But I would have played 743 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 4: him and maybe drop some easter eggscept there was something coming, 744 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 4: because I look like a psycho being so kind and 745 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 4: so nice and then just not flipping being there at 746 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 4: the end. 747 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, but how long have you got? 748 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 3: That's what it is too. It's just like you can't 749 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 3: control it. You just got to go. 750 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: To the f from getting that last script to shooting. 751 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: What's that kind of window of time. 752 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 3: For that last episode? It was maybe a week and 753 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 3: a half? 754 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow. 755 00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 756 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: Also, can we do a little shout out to your 757 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: mum because she just called right before we jumped on 758 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: that she's an ep in too. 759 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 3: She's an app in. 760 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, an epp and a half, so that means she 761 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 4: maybe fell asleep in the second. 762 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 3: No, No, she's an epp and a half. So she's 763 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 3: very proud. And she said it's great. 764 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we agreed. You killed it. 765 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: Thanks you and your words were I think you said 766 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm playing a man child. Not much difference to realize. 767 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: Sorry to throw you under the bus set. 768 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 4: I had no research on that one, and that's the 769 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 4: kind of show where you don't need much prep time. 770 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: You know you no, no, you did's so good. It's 771 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: been honor having you on the pod. My final question 772 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: is to a young actor listening that is just like 773 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: fresh out of drama school. And I often say, there's 774 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: such a gap between drama school where you get these 775 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: beautiful media scripts to work on and the time, the 776 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: gift of time to like sit with it and costume 777 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: development and playing. So then there's a real business side 778 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: to acting, reps, publicists, like being in the. 779 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 2: Right rooms, going to the right meetings. 780 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: All that kind of thing, and then to booking the 781 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: gig and being on a set, and you know, there's 782 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: a huge kind of like vortex there. 783 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. 784 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: So to a young actor that might be green out 785 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: of acting school, not green, but like fresh out of 786 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: acting school, what advice have you got if everything feels 787 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: a little overwhelming right now. 788 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 4: It's finding those things that give you a sense of 789 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 4: self I think specifically, I guess for those coming out 790 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 4: of drama school, you are taught that you can be 791 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 4: anything and everything, and then when you come out, you 792 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 4: know the amount of times I'm too French, or then 793 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 4: I'm not French enough, or then I'm too tall. You're 794 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 4: always do something and you're not right. So how do 795 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 4: you not take that on board and take it personally? 796 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 4: It's having a sense of self and being able to 797 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 4: rely on what makes you feel good. So those hobbies 798 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 4: that you have are really important. That writing that you do, 799 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 4: the music that you play, whatever it is that makes 800 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 4: you feel good is something you really got to cherish 801 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 4: and take. 802 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 3: Good care of because it's really precious. 803 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 4: So I think that would be the overall kind of 804 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 4: piece of advice because it's a brutal, brutal industry and 805 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 4: you really got to love it and want it. But 806 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 4: it is a lot of luck too, and if it 807 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 4: doesn't work out for that thing, there's always there's always 808 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 4: something else, and. 809 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 2: So keep the love and the passion for all those 810 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 2: other things. 811 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 4: I think the lucky kind of Like I've been doing 812 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 4: it a while now, and I know of a lot 813 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 4: of people that just get sick of auditions now, and 814 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 4: I still find so much joy in it, Like you 815 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 4: have to keep the love up. I get you know, 816 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 4: you get that audition, you have the role for that 817 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 4: twenty minutes that you're doing it, it's yours and so 818 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,959 Speaker 4: there's you. I actually get sad or kind of feel 819 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 4: creatively stuck when I don't get to audition. If I 820 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,959 Speaker 4: can audition, and if I could make money auditioning, I'd 821 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 4: be actually kind of happy. Yeah, it's just you have 822 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 4: to finance your passion somehow in between jobs. But that 823 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 4: sense of play and that love for it is really important. 824 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 4: That love for the craft or whatever you want to 825 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 4: call it, it's it's really important. 826 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 3: So how do you keep that alive? 827 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 4: And I think it's not about just focusing on it 828 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 4: all the time and making it a part of your 829 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 4: hobbies or you or whatever else that makes you feel good. 830 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 4: But keeping that sense of self feeling good and you know, 831 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 4: enjoying the ride and the ups and downs is is 832 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 4: really important. If that's not too No, that. 833 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: Was perfect, broad No, that was perfect. Thank you so much. 834 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: All her faults streaming on Peacock. 835 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 3: Now bing in Australia. 836 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 2: Australia, what's it called? 837 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 3: In the UK? A sky? 838 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 2: I've got it. 839 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: And here in America Peacock and I am loving it. 840 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: I've got an episode and a half to go, so 841 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: don't spoil anything. 842 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 3: I can't. I got to catch up. 843 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 4: I've only seen the first three episodes, so I'm going 844 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 4: to go home and watch that now. 845 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: And by what I said to your mum at the start, 846 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,439 Speaker 1: you killed it. So well done, my friend. 847 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 3: This has been lovely. I appreciate it. 848 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 849 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 850 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word 851 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. 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