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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcottin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres

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Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the eighteenth of October.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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Speaker 2: Now before we kick off, a quick note that this

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Speaker 2: episode contains discussions of domestic and sexual violence. If that's

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Speaker 2: not something you're comfortable listening to or in the headspace

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Speaker 2: to listen to, we will see you again tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Or if you find.

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Speaker 2: That today's episode brings up anything for you, there is

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Speaker 2: always help available at one eight hundred respect that's one

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Speaker 2: eight hundred seven three seven seven three to two. The

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Speaker 2: federal government has announced a major, major thing. It is

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Speaker 2: the National Plan to end violence against Women and Children

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Speaker 2: in the next ten years. In today's deep dive, we'll

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Speaker 2: explore what the National Plan involves, how it'll be carried out,

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Speaker 2: and who it will help, but first sam take us

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Speaker 2: through the headlines.

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Speaker 3: Treasurer Jim Charmers has said that Australians will need to

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Speaker 3: brace themselves for cost of living impacts brought on by

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Speaker 3: the Laatest floods across Eastern Australia. While speaking to reports

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Speaker 3: this week, Charmers said that quote this is a human

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Speaker 3: tragedy first and foremost, but it has obvious consequences as

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Speaker 3: well for the economy and for the budget.

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Speaker 2: The casino license for The Star in Sydney will be

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Speaker 2: suspended and the company will be fined one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 2: It comes after an inquiry by the New South Wales

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Speaker 2: Independent Casino Commission heard allegations of money laundering, organized crime

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Speaker 2: links and fraud happening at the casino in Piermont.

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Speaker 3: Health Minister Mark Butler has commissioned report into the Health

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Speaker 3: Department following an investigation by The Sydney Morning Herald and

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Speaker 3: ABCA that found multi billion dollar routes from the Medicare system.

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Speaker 3: Butler said that the commissioned report will focus on quote

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Speaker 3: existing compliance, audit and professional services review programs and ensure

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Speaker 3: that the small minority that do the wrong thing are

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Speaker 3: picked up quickly and dealt with.

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Speaker 2: Finally the good news you've all been waiting for. Twenty

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Speaker 2: three year old Ned Brockman completed his three thousand, eight

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Speaker 2: hundred kilometer run across Australia yesterday, finishing in front of

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Speaker 2: big crowds at Bondai Beach. He has run I just

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Speaker 2: simply can't believe this an average of one hundred kilometers

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Speaker 2: every single day since the first of September and he's

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Speaker 2: raised over a million dollars for charity.

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Speaker 3: What a legend, So, Sarah. Yesterday the government announced their

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Speaker 3: plan to eradicate family violence within the generation. It's an

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Speaker 3: ambitious plan but definitely a worthy one for us to

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Speaker 3: be talking about. Has anything like this been attempted by

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Speaker 3: a government before?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a good starting point. Interestingly, the National

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Speaker 2: Plan to End Violence against Women and Children twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: two twenty thirty two, which is just as wide ranging

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Speaker 2: and forward looking as it sounds, is actually the second

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Speaker 2: plan and it follows the twenty ten National Plan to

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Speaker 2: Reduce Violence against Women and their Children. Now, there's one

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Speaker 2: piece of information that I think explains why this is

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Speaker 2: for the plan. The government said that the previous plan

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Speaker 2: from twenty ten didn't actually succeed in reducing violence. It

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Speaker 2: certainly succeeded in a few other ways. It raised awareness

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Speaker 2: of the prevalence of family violence, and it helps organizations

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Speaker 2: and governments collaborate to help survivors. But reported rates of

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Speaker 2: sexual assault actually rose during that period in this country.

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Speaker 2: And this is just I can't actually get my head

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Speaker 2: around this. Gendered violence is the leading driver of women's

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Speaker 2: homelessness and incarceration and the single biggest health reas factor

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Speaker 2: for women aged eighteen to forty four. So just think

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Speaker 2: actually gendered violence that leads the way in that risk category.

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Speaker 2: And of course when we talk about this, rates of

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Speaker 3: It's truly in unbelievable state of affairs. Is it comparable

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think this is an important point to talk

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Speaker 2: and can be useful to frame discussions about gendered violence.

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Speaker 2: So I want to acknowledge that many of the stats

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Speaker 2: And as for men, they can of course be victim

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Speaker 2: survivors of family, sexual and domestic violence. Statistically, however, they

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Speaker 2: which is outside of the remit of the government's plan

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Speaker 2: that we're talking about today. Men are also overwhelmingly more

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Speaker 3: So we've got the gendered dimensions of violence in Australia,

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Speaker 3: the health risks, and the rising rates of reported violence.

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Speaker 3: With all of that in mind, how is the government

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Speaker 2: So the plan is set out over ten years and

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Speaker 2: it has four main areas of focus. They are prevention,

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Speaker 2: early intervention, response and recovery and healing.

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Speaker 3: So let's go one by one. Let's start with the

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Speaker 3: prevention stage.

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Speaker 2: Prevention includes challenging these attitudes that a normalize gendered violence

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Speaker 2: but b place the burden on women to address violence.

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Speaker 2: It also includes programs to support men and boys to

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Speaker 2: develop healthy expressions of masculinity and encourage men to call

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Speaker 2: out violence and attitudes that excuse or enable it. It's

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Speaker 2: about stopping violence before it starts, and that leads us

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Speaker 2: to early intervention, which is about stopping violence from escalating

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Speaker 3: And how early is the government proposing this intervention really early?

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Speaker 2: The government's plan is to fund better support for children

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Speaker 2: family violence in their own right. It calls early intervention quote,

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Speaker 2: one of the least developed areas of work in reducing

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Speaker 2: gendered violence, and the plan also suggests improving training for

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Speaker 2: identify and compassionately respond to reports all warning signs of violence.

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Speaker 3: and so that brings us to the third stage, which

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Speaker 2: Yes, So we've moved from adjusting attitudes to stop violence

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Speaker 2: system often misidentifies perpetrators in self defense situations, which First

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Speaker 2: true for First Nations women reporting violence for people who

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Speaker 2: have needed to leave a violent situation. The plan includes

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Speaker 2: improving housing support. The government says, and I quote, unaffordable, inadequate,

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Speaker 2: and insecure housing results in over seven thousand women each

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Speaker 3: We then get to the recovery and healing stage. Tell

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the final area of focus is to improve

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Speaker 2: this is research to improve our understanding of what works.

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Speaker 2: The plan says, quote little is known about the ongoing

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Speaker 2: impacts of violence on victim survivors that may manifest later

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Speaker 2: in life, especially the impacts of violence and trauma on

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Speaker 3: So we've gone through the four stages in quite a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question because I think often we

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Speaker 2: have these very lofty plans, and we have big government announcements,

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Speaker 2: but when you get down to the nitty gritty, who's

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Speaker 2: actually implementing it. It's been agreed to by all state

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Speaker 2: and territory governments, regardless of their politics. Really, so labor states,

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Speaker 2: liberal states, they're all on board with this. It really

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Speaker 2: is an all hands on deck policy. They'll also work

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Speaker 2: with key national organizations like Our Watch and one eight hundred,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you a little bit more about

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Speaker 3: First Nations people. You mentioned that First Nations women are

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Speaker 3: disproportionately more likely than other groups to be misidentified as

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Speaker 3: the perpetrator of domestic or family violence when they contact police,

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Speaker 3: other groups. Was there anything in the plan specifically for

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Speaker 2: Under the government's plan, First Nations people will be consulted

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Speaker 2: And you said there in terms of consultation. It's also

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Speaker 2: important to note that the government's plan is based on

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Speaker 2: consultation with victim survivors and representative groups, so the government

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Speaker 2: is hoping that their plan is as responsive as possible.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of interest on social media with

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Speaker 3: this plan being released, and I think if we're still

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Speaker 3: doing the TDA Daily Pod in twenty thirty two, which

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Speaker 3: is not out of the question, with how much you

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Speaker 3: and I love it, Zara, and you're still listening there

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Speaker 3: in the audience, we promise to bring you an update

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Speaker 3: when that day comes.

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