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Speaker 1: It continued to say that some of the commentary and

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Speaker 1: Jared Maylee, thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister, we did obviously invite you on to talk

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Speaker 3: Yes, Katie, I have seen that statement. I've read through

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Speaker 1: So you know, look for me, I'm very sympathetic when

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Speaker 1: Now senior government and legal sources have confirmed that the

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Speaker 1: As the minister that's responsible for the prisons.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it could be workable.

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Speaker 3: But remember, Kadie, we are dealing with eight years of

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon holding some of these hearings at the

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Speaker 2: Yes, it does, remember, but if they do.

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Speaker 3: Bush courts right across the Northern Charity and I've been

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Speaker 2: Go at it.

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Speaker 1: So it's absolutely on the table, then.

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Speaker 3: That nothing's off the table. But what is definitely not

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Speaker 1: Hey, did you end up meeting with the union earlier

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Speaker 3: Yes, I did meet with the union representatives and my

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen that correspondence. But look, I want to

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Speaker 1: How did that discussion go between you and the union

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Speaker 3: Look, what I can say is that we're both adults

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I'm going to say that we're both adults

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move along slightly, I mean still in

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Speaker 1: If you've got correction stuff saying that they don't have

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Speaker 3: Look, why not say upfront, I have one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: we've done, if we made some legislation to be able

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Speaker 3: to deal with that, This is no one's going to

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Speaker 3: under tremendous pressure. They're dealing with some really, really bad people,

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking out loud here. I mean, obviously, in

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Speaker 1: So what we ended up with, I guess, is a

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Speaker 3: Look, ultimately, what I can say is these special prison

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Speaker 3: This happened right across the Northern Cherity, and I can't

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Speaker 3: So that's just the nature of the game. It's not

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Speaker 1: All right, minister, let's put your renewables hat on. I

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Speaker 3: I was just giving an update to how our home

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Speaker 3: and battery business scheme is going well. It's going really

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Speaker 3: good at the moment, Katie, because what we want to

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Speaker 3: Because we know that there's a cost of living crisis

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Speaker 3: amount of money from three million to six million dollars

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister, every day we get messages about this feed

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Speaker 1: Andrew has just messaged through it says, hi, Katie, can

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Speaker 1: you ask mister Maylee why the solar feed in Tariff

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Speaker 1: is only being doubled from three until eight pm and

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Speaker 1: not during more daylight hours. If it is solar generation related,

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Speaker 1: you may have covered it, but please ask again.

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Speaker 3: Look, that's the peak time in relation to what power

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Speaker 1: Should it be peak time of when the sun's actually

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Speaker 3: Well, it's about getting the grid stable and allowing people

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Speaker 3: cost of living is a real pressure on families across

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Speaker 1: Well, Rob contacted us yesterday. He called through about that

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Speaker 1: solar feed in tariff, asking why again why it's been

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Speaker 1: and feed out at twenty three point five cents for both,

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Speaker 1: So doubling it still isn't back to what it used

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Speaker 3: Well, look, we know that Labor come out and said

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Speaker 3: Then they broke that promise, and then what they also

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Speaker 1: Have you guys broken a promise though? Did you say

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Speaker 3: No, we've always said that we're going to double the

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Speaker 1: Lane, So to anybody listening this morning that's going this

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Speaker 3: They got to go with it the way it is, Well, Look,

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Speaker 3: it's not tough cookies. We've got to get the balance

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Speaker 1: Is that more the issue here that if you go

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Speaker 1: there are more hours that the system just can't cope.

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Speaker 3: Well, Look, the system is a very technical system, and

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Speaker 3: I'm really speaking above what I know about it, but

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Speaker 3: I know that there's been a lack of infrastructure right

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Speaker 3: and we're trying to fix it.

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Speaker 1: Well, Minister, look at there so much to cover off

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Speaker 1: for Agriculture and Fisheries, there is indeed an announcement this

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Speaker 1: morning bolstering the territory's biosecurity preparedness with the launch of Burt.

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Speaker 3: Who's Burt Okay out there this morning. What Bird is

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Speaker 3: get a call and hopefully contain it and at least

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Speaker 3: take the samples off it and just have a better

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Speaker 3: reaction and more quicker reaction time. And the other part

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Speaker 3: of it too, Katie, is it's going to be used

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Speaker 3: as an educational tool to go around through schools into

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Speaker 3: the shows. Because people out there in the community, our

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Speaker 3: eyes and ears.

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Speaker 2: We don't have many.

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Speaker 3: People out there because we've got such a vast space

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Speaker 3: and a small population. So what was going to do

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Speaker 3: do we want people to know if they see an

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Speaker 3: incursion or they see sick animals as doesn't look right,

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Speaker 3: there's one eight hundred number to call and we want

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Speaker 3: people to know what to do about that situation.

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Speaker 1: Well, Minister Deputy Chief Minister, Minister for various portfolios, I

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Speaker 1: think we pretty much covered them all this morning. Jared Maylie,

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Speaker 1: thank you so very much for your time, much appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, thank you