Speaker 1: The Flex and Frooms Daily podcast brought to you.
Speaker 2: Flex and Frooms Podcast Edition.
Speaker 3: Today's episode is a cautionary tale, one that inspires us
Speaker 3: to love us and almost like recalibrate our brains. I'm
Speaker 3: talking about this podcast that I forgot I listened to
Speaker 3: months ago, came to me in a vision. Not sure
Speaker 3: what it's called, but I do remember that doctor Anna
Speaker 3: Lemke was a guest and not talking about the effects
Speaker 3: that dope mein or in particular overdosing and dope meine
Speaker 3: does to our brain, and interestingly that pain and pleasure
Speaker 3: exist on the same mental.
Speaker 2: Seesaw, mental seesaw. Okay, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Let's go flex and fs.
Speaker 4: It's been about ten years since we were in high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, facts maybe eleven eleven for me. Heavy Remember when.
Speaker 5: You're in high school thinking, Wow, my ten year reunion,
Speaker 5: going to be married, my have a child.
Speaker 3: I'll definitely I'm going to be married with a kid
Speaker 3: at twenty six.
Speaker 2: That was the narrative going around.
Speaker 3: And I went to an all girls high school, so
Speaker 3: you can only imagine how just like delusional we all were.
Speaker 2: The shared delusions to scale.
Speaker 4: What percentage of girls are married and have.
Speaker 3: A kid, I'm not that involved. I think more more
Speaker 3: than I anticipated. Like I would say my main friend groups,
Speaker 3: so three of them, I would say, haf are married?
Speaker 4: Far around couldn't. I can't even imagine it.
Speaker 5: But it got me thinking about what actually was the
Speaker 5: most demonic high school experience.
Speaker 2: What you're thinking about that?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 5: It was? Actually like a gratitude exercise, Like sometimes I
Speaker 5: feel really down about my life or no, I actually
Speaker 5: don't feel down.
Speaker 4: I just feel really stressed.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, my life has never been more stressful.
Speaker 3: Would you rather feel stressed or down? You sounded happy
Speaker 3: about being stressed.
Speaker 5: I don't want either. Okay, they go hand in hand
Speaker 5: for me. I get too stressed. I'm freaking out. I'm
Speaker 5: getting down. But I had this memory, this moment of
Speaker 5: going back to high school and thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 5: I never have to do that again. And that is
Speaker 5: ask somebody to the formal.
Speaker 2: You did that? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Whoa, yeah, because at our school I went to a
Speaker 5: boy girls school, but the boys had a formal and
Speaker 5: the girls had a formal. So I was like, whoa,
Speaker 5: that feels like a waste of resources. Oh yeah, you're paying,
Speaker 5: You're paying top dollar. Went I went to a school
Speaker 5: which was kind of more like a multinational corporation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of vibes that's the way you're for the corporates.
Speaker 3: How much think you paid. I think we paid like
Speaker 3: one fifty ahead maybe, yeah, probably something similar.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, just the thought of actually needing to
Speaker 5: ask somebody in that social setting, I think it's more
Speaker 5: intense than asking someone to marry you.
Speaker 3: Did you was it customary to ask someone from the
Speaker 3: boys side of your school?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 3: You boys were in your class but you had separate formals.
Speaker 5: Yes, no, boys weren't in my class. This is like
Speaker 5: a very convoluted way of this saying the story. But
Speaker 5: essentially we had play lunch and lunch with boys, but
Speaker 5: then just didn't have boys in the classroom, like separate classes.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It was weird.
Speaker 3: I think I get what they're doing there to like
Speaker 3: normalize the idea that you can interact with other people.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's called parallel learning. Oh anyway, thank you. So, yes,
Speaker 5: we had some interaction with the boys, but not enough
Speaker 5: to like, you've still got to put your neck out
Speaker 5: to find someone to go to formal with you. Of course,
Speaker 5: some anxious avoidance. So I didn't have a boyfriend in
Speaker 5: high school.
Speaker 2: Anxious avoidance.
Speaker 5: That's that's so much is going on in this segment.
Speaker 5: I feel like, anyway, I asked a guy to my
Speaker 5: formal from the year above. He was like the last
Speaker 5: person that was that was free and why they do
Speaker 5: them like that?
Speaker 4: And I just remember being so stressed about it.
Speaker 2: How did you ask?
Speaker 4: I think on.
Speaker 2: Facebook messenger or no messenger?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually probably find the message you want to
Speaker 5: do that you actually will right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I guess you haven't said much to him since.
Speaker 4: Not at all. So we actually spoke a lot.
Speaker 2: Now I'm he's like a secret boyfriend and are looking
Speaker 2: back like, actually, I think we did date. Actually he
Speaker 2: was the love of my life.
Speaker 5: Talking about the recession. Now we're talking about Rangers, studio arts.
Speaker 5: What have we been doing these holidays? One legged horse?
Speaker 2: You seem compatible?
Speaker 4: He actually was quite funny anyway.
Speaker 5: He said in twenty thirteen, Lucy, you're gone to Hollywood
Speaker 5: yet Golden Globes, And I said, no, I'm stilling out Waverley,
Speaker 5: but I do want to go to Hollywood.
Speaker 2: So you're not going to find the message.
Speaker 5: I can't remember, can't remember the coolest thing ever was
Speaker 5: he had an injury to his arm, so we had
Speaker 5: this like bionic armshell over his arm. So in all
Speaker 5: the photos we're po together two little friends, like absolutely
Speaker 5: no chemistry.
Speaker 2: Calm down, don't air him like that.
Speaker 4: So you said he was funny and when he's holding
Speaker 4: me this little bionic.
Speaker 2: L that's hot and sweet.
Speaker 3: It was very twenty twenty two, so there was no
Speaker 3: romantic element for the whole thing.
Speaker 2: You didn't like, have a little chicky kiss. Nah, pretty sure.
Speaker 4: I had a boyfriend at how you invite Tyler not
Speaker 4: your own boyfriend. My boyfriend was like twenty five.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this one surf diavon Ski thongs to the wedding.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't want to say anything.
Speaker 5: Because I'm absolutely demonic. And if you're currently in school
Speaker 5: and you got school form more coming.
Speaker 4: Up, don't worry. Life cats better.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, this is flex and frooms on kDa.
Speaker 2: I have been gagging. That is fairer, but I guess
Speaker 2: I started.
Speaker 3: I've been gagging to tell you about this, so I
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier that I know enough for me, stop it gagging.
Speaker 4: I can't take that seriously.
Speaker 5: I hate to use my mind's I yet again, but
Speaker 5: I can't hear the word gagging without picturing things I
Speaker 5: wish not to picture.
Speaker 3: Really, yes, when I say the word gagging, I think
Speaker 3: of brushing my tongue.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about the tongue, mean brush?
Speaker 2: Whose dad did we know? I do this?
Speaker 4: Anyway?
Speaker 3: So I found that for the last month or so,
Speaker 3: when I get up in the morning, I feel really
Speaker 3: overstimulated and overwhelmed when I listen to music, listen to podcasts,
Speaker 3: which is unusual because I.
Speaker 2: Used to be my morning routine.
Speaker 3: You get up, put on music straight away, go to
Speaker 3: the bathroom, take a shower, get ready.
Speaker 2: Music is a car music. When I land wherever I am,
Speaker 2: just music with me with them.
Speaker 3: Then I think, I don't know what happened, maybe the
Speaker 3: weather change, and so I got gloomy and I was like,
Speaker 3: I just need a second with my thoughts or Bettyett
Speaker 3: with nothing, no stimulation.
Speaker 2: It all needs to stop.
Speaker 3: So these days I've been get up using my phone
Speaker 3: as an alarm and then putting it down, doing the
Speaker 3: whole getting ready process without it. And when I get
Speaker 3: into the car, obviously is my gtail. Yeah on my phone.
Speaker 6: I start my car and then I do my daily
Speaker 6: rounds and then I do no music, which feels a
Speaker 6: bit Patrick Bateman of me, and then I just drive
Speaker 6: to where I'm going, no music, no sound, windows down,
Speaker 6: empty head.
Speaker 2: And what I'm finding.
Speaker 3: Is that it's actually working well in terms of me
Speaker 3: easing into stimulation and easing into the day, because usually
Speaker 3: I find that the first thing that I interact with
Speaker 3: in terms of like the type of music I'm listening
Speaker 3: to or the news article I read, sets up the
Speaker 3: tone of my day, and sometimes in ways I'm not
Speaker 3: prepared for, Like I listened to something really hard and
Speaker 3: be like, oh, I'm having the best day.
Speaker 2: No, you just stimulate it.
Speaker 3: So now that I'm listening to no music, no stimulation whatever,
Speaker 3: and easing into the day, it's making me feel much
Speaker 3: more aware of my body and how much anxiety I
Speaker 3: just carry regularly that I was just drowning out with tech.
Speaker 3: It gets better. I was listening to a podcast months
Speaker 3: ago about this thing called dope mean overdose, and it's
Speaker 3: I guess what you would imagine, the fact that we're
Speaker 3: so inundated with so many different forms of things are
Speaker 3: going to spike out dope mean that it gets really
Speaker 3: difficult for your brain to level out what is an
Speaker 3: appropriate response to something that would.
Speaker 2: Regularly give you heaps of dope mean.
Speaker 3: So if once before, like I don't know if you
Speaker 3: remember or if you were using TikTok back in twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: but I used to use that app and laugh at
Speaker 3: every video. I was like, this is hilarious, goblin mode.
Speaker 3: I could not we're all laughing. Two years later you
Speaker 3: are here a peep out of me. It's just not
Speaker 3: getting the same And it's a cultural thing because people say, well,
Speaker 3: TikTok change, it hasn't You just got used to getting
Speaker 3: laughter on tap incessantly. And so in a second, I
Speaker 3: want to talk to you about This podcast was listened
Speaker 3: to a couple of months ago, all about Don't Mean
Speaker 3: Overdose by doctor Anna Lemk Real Doctor, Real, Doctor Good,
Speaker 3: who talks about how dope mean is inextricably linked to
Speaker 3: pain and pleasure.
Speaker 4: Hectic, Yes, so don't mean overdose? How do you define
Speaker 4: that the.
Speaker 2: Phrase dope mean overdose?
Speaker 3: I'm just making it a I don't really think it's
Speaker 3: an overdose in the traditional sense. I'm just saying we
Speaker 3: just have too much of the thing. This person basically,
Speaker 3: so that using social media can lead to a physical
Speaker 3: and psychological addiction because it triggers the brain's reward system
Speaker 3: to release. Don't mean, of course, dope mean is actually
Speaker 3: a neurotransmitter.
Speaker 2: No, we don't need that.
Speaker 3: So this podcast, I need to find out what it's called.
Speaker 3: But I can't only remember the doctor's name. It's not
Speaker 3: her podcast. She was just a guest, but she was
Speaker 3: talking about the dope mean sea saw and how it's
Speaker 3: inextricably linked to pain and pleasure.
Speaker 2: Listen to this.
Speaker 3: Our brain fights to restore the balance to dope mean
Speaker 3: in our brains. In our brain, we have a balance
Speaker 3: system like a sea saw in a playground. So remember
Speaker 3: that seesaw two ends, like when one end goes down here,
Speaker 3: then it goes up vice versa. So when we experience pleasure,
Speaker 3: it tips one way, when we experience pain it tips
Speaker 3: the other way.
Speaker 2: It's all making sense. Yes.
Speaker 3: One of the fundamental rules is that it wants to
Speaker 3: remain level. So with any deviation from neutrality, the brain
Speaker 3: will work very hard to restore balance, which is homeostasis.
Speaker 3: The reason why you don't have to think to blink,
Speaker 3: or to breathe or to cough. Your brain just does that. So,
Speaker 3: for example, having a piece of chocolate or a glass
Speaker 3: of wine will provide a tip to the side of
Speaker 3: pleasure and.
Speaker 2: A release of dope.
Speaker 3: Mean, but as soon as that's happened, our brain adapts
Speaker 3: to that phenomenon by down regulating our dope receptors and
Speaker 3: transmitters a little like a gremlin hopping on the pain
Speaker 3: side of the seasort to balance it out. So that's
Speaker 3: the reason why every time you do something and it
Speaker 3: feels really good, gets to the point where it doesn't
Speaker 3: feel good anymore. Like you eat something you really like,
Speaker 3: gorge yourself, now you're in pain and you're like, ah,
Speaker 3: don't anymore. Or when you sleep too long before you
Speaker 3: know it was really comfy. Now your back hurts and
Speaker 3: like you be uncomfort crazy d yes, and so recognizing
Speaker 3: that as soon as you're tipping the sea swaw to
Speaker 3: one side, little goblins in your body and brain are like,
Speaker 3: we got to do work. We need balance at all times.
Speaker 3: So the challenge is with little gremlin goblins is that
Speaker 3: they lack balance and they stay on there until balance
Speaker 3: is tipped in equal and opposite amounts to the side
Speaker 3: of pain. This is called the opponent process reaction, and
Speaker 3: this is the moment when we want another piece of chocolate,
Speaker 3: another glass of wine, another little cheesyburger grew. However, if
Speaker 3: we wait long enough, the gremlin hops off and balance
Speaker 3: is restored. But if we continue to consume in even
Speaker 3: larger amounts to overcome the tolerance, then the gremlins multiply
Speaker 3: and we're in a dope mein deficit state with the
Speaker 3: balance of the seas or tipping to the side of pain.
Speaker 3: So if you don't naturally stop yourself from over indulging
Speaker 3: so the balance goes to level, then the little goblin gremlins,
Speaker 3: the ones that live on pain side, will be more
Speaker 3: of their mates over. Hey, she's not listening. We need
Speaker 3: to help her out. Bring more pain, bring more discomfort
Speaker 3: so she knows it's time to stop. Is the pain
Speaker 3: just physical in this we'll get to it, okay, because
Speaker 3: pain can be just think the opposite of pleasure for
Speaker 3: whatever you're dealing with. So pain in the context of
Speaker 3: social media usage is working harder to get a laugh
Speaker 3: or a response.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So now we need to keep drinking, not to feel
Speaker 3: good but just to feel normal. Yes, Or we need
Speaker 3: to keep eating terribly not to feel good, but just
Speaker 3: to feel normal. When we stop using the balance tips
Speaker 3: hard to the side of pain and brings on irritability, anxiousness,
Speaker 3: bad sleep, I eat, a withdrawal of some kind because
Speaker 3: we're talking about addiction, overdosing that whole thing. So this
Speaker 3: is what Anna Lemki, who an MD at Stanford, was
Speaker 3: explaining to us. And so if you use this in
Speaker 3: the context of like social media or our phone usage
Speaker 3: or internet usage, we're not even using our devices now
Speaker 3: to feel good. We're just using them to sustain a
Speaker 3: level of like comfort or entertainment, just to get.
Speaker 2: To a point of feeling normal.
Speaker 3: And if like twelve hour day's screen time is what
Speaker 3: we need to feel normal, how much you think you'll
Speaker 3: need to start feeling fantastic amazing? And also what I
Speaker 3: did learn but this is from TikTok, so it's not
Speaker 3: fact checked or sided. Is that the first dope mean
Speaker 3: spike you have for the day sets up the relative
Speaker 3: dope mean spikes for the rest of the day. So
Speaker 3: if you peek in the morning by going from sleeping,
Speaker 3: resting state to like that TikTok, then your brain's like, okay,
Speaker 3: we're trying to catch that high for the rest.
Speaker 2: Of the day.
Speaker 3: But you cannot and that's really because yeah, allegedly who's
Speaker 3: this guy? I don't know, but sound w going from
Speaker 3: zero to one hundred. You can't sustain that, so you crash.
Speaker 3: So what they're saying is like, ease into it, entertainment,
Speaker 3: indulgence or whatever, so at least you can sustain it
Speaker 3: for longer and have more control over it.
Speaker 2: Apparently interesting, has it making you feel?
Speaker 5: I'm just wondering how it works with people who have
Speaker 5: actual addictions, Like, is that how addictions start?
Speaker 3: No, because it's like a this is like a euphemism. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's a phrase they view so we can understand the
Speaker 3: concept a little bit better.
Speaker 2: But I don't.
Speaker 4: It's a look addictions.
Speaker 2: And there is social media addiction.
Speaker 4: Do we have it?
Speaker 2: Probably? But I think I don't think it's comparative to.
Speaker 3: Alcoholism in the same way, Like it is an addiction
Speaker 3: of some sort and you have withdrawals and you want
Speaker 3: to consume the substance, but we're not like having the
Speaker 3: shakes and shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah facts, hmm, food for thought.
Speaker 2: I mean, let it simmer.
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure out up how I'm meant
Speaker 3: to like apply what we're learning, But I'm gonna keep
Speaker 3: learning and come back to you. In the meantime. Try
Speaker 3: to not use your phone when you first wake up.
Speaker 1: See it feels you're listening to Flex and Frooms on Kita.
Speaker 5: This is a segment I call frum his face where
Speaker 5: I bring in some food. It's usually like a pasta
Speaker 5: based dish for FLEXI to try. More often than not,
Speaker 5: she will refuse to eat it, or if she does
Speaker 5: eat it, she'll come in with a closed mind and
Speaker 5: roast meat.
Speaker 2: That's not true.
Speaker 3: I have eaten cold rosotto for you, and everybody knows
Speaker 3: I like my rice, our dentate undercooked.
Speaker 4: Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 5: I made this lasami last night, and I purposely didn't
Speaker 5: cook it all the way through because I thought you'd
Speaker 5: like the sheets nice and.
Speaker 2: That's really sweet. I don't feel like eating.
Speaker 4: That's okay. I won't force you to do anything, but.
Speaker 2: Tell us about it. Do you have any tips?
Speaker 5: I do actually have tips, because with this segment, I
Speaker 5: try to come in with some sort of like cooking
Speaker 5: helpful moment tip because you're a Michelin star ches. Some
Speaker 5: would say definitely gearing up, like I definitely. When I
Speaker 5: have my own show, I want to have a cooking
Speaker 5: sex for sure. That's got to be a big part
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 2: Gordon Sha.
Speaker 5: Before we started working together twenty twenty, I devised this
Speaker 5: show called Froom's World, and you were going to be
Speaker 5: one of the guests.
Speaker 4: So that'll happen.
Speaker 2: It's happening that it is happening.
Speaker 5: AnyWho. Lasagna. I was making veggie lasagna walking around the supermarket.
Speaker 2: There's no spinach. Oh, there wouldn't be in this Dayna.
Speaker 4: Zucchini's twelve dollars fifty a kilogram?
Speaker 2: How many zucchini's gonna killer? You reckon?
Speaker 6: Two? No?
Speaker 2: Three?
Speaker 4: Ten?
Speaker 2: Whoa? That seems like a good deal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh well I got two and it came in.
Speaker 3: Wait, how big is zucchini? I'm thinking this big. I
Speaker 3: think a cucumber. I think cucumbers are heavier. Zuccini is
Speaker 3: a kind of light, but they're bulky vibes.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So no spinach, you didn't get any Well.
Speaker 4: This is my hack.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: The lasagna that I made called for not cottage cheese, ricotta, ricotta,
Speaker 5: and spinach, so spinach was definitely necessary.
Speaker 4: I was like, where am I gonna get the speech?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to go to the other supermarket.
Speaker 5: No, go to the freezer ale you dummy frozen spinach chunks. Yes,
Speaker 5: for smoothies, yeap, because as we know, we all need
Speaker 5: our leafy greens.
Speaker 4: But there's none that the souper market right now. Who
Speaker 4: would have ever thought?
Speaker 3: But there is some apparently independent grosses. A lot of
Speaker 3: them are covering the charge.
Speaker 5: Okay, small business, A small business owner, she got a
Speaker 5: bitch share in IgA.
Speaker 2: Nah.
Speaker 5: But if you can't go to your local independent, ready, Taylor,
Speaker 5: go to the frozen You've got frozen cakes.
Speaker 2: Support the corporation you can't get down to your local.
Speaker 5: I'm a fresh fruit person and that's all I'll say. So, Yeah,
Speaker 5: frozen spinach works for most things. You just drain it
Speaker 5: under hot water. And that's actually a fun thing to
Speaker 5: do because you got to like mushed up with your fingers.
Speaker 2: That's a great hack. And how was it?
Speaker 5: On a scale of one to ten? This is a
Speaker 5: bit like the dope mean thing. I was eating a
Speaker 5: loan last night, so, as you can imagine, it got
Speaker 5: a little bit out of hand. Oh, Corley, Yeah, I
Speaker 5: gorged on lasagna, so I would say first serving delicious,
Speaker 5: second serving.
Speaker 4: I couldn't finish it.
Speaker 3: By the third I didn't actually go that far. Maybe
Speaker 3: we'll try it, try it like that a lot. I
Speaker 3: also do like your commitment to cooking. I think it's
Speaker 3: going to serve you well till Kingdom come or something.
Speaker 2: WiFi.
Speaker 1: This is flex and froomsa FLEXI.
Speaker 5: I know that you are obsessed with many things. We
Speaker 5: have hashed it over on multiple episodes. I know that
Speaker 5: you like technology and you're not afraid to talk about death.
Speaker 5: One of the first experiences we had working together was
Speaker 5: on your old podcast where.
Speaker 2: We flexus semi factual history lessons.
Speaker 4: That's it, no free press.
Speaker 5: We spoke about death and we had a very illuminating conversation,
Speaker 5: and I would say that was the moment when we
Speaker 5: decided we make a good team.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: Conversationally, we yet to see if that really works out.
Speaker 2: Too soon.
Speaker 4: I'm recrding it every day.
Speaker 5: And I found this story on one of my favorite
Speaker 5: substack newsletters, and it's this guy who talked about futurism
Speaker 5: and then gives us the facts and then gives his take.
Speaker 2: That's fun. What's his name?
Speaker 5: It's New Week, Same Humans. Basically, it is a weekly
Speaker 5: newsletter on trends, technology and society. By a guy called
Speaker 5: David mattin Awesome. He's in doing it for two years.
Speaker 2: So what's the tea.
Speaker 4: The t is that Alexa can talk to you in
Speaker 4: your dead.
Speaker 2: Relative's voice space right now.
Speaker 5: Well, Amazon has revealed an experimental Alexa feature that allows
Speaker 5: the AI assistant to mimic the voices of users dead relatives.
Speaker 5: The company demode the feature, demo them.
Speaker 2: It's just it's new to you.
Speaker 4: Every syllable is a challenge.
Speaker 5: The company demo the feature at its annual MARS conference,
Speaker 5: showing a video in which a child asked Alexa to
Speaker 5: read a bedtime story in the voice of his dead grandmother.
Speaker 5: As you saw in this experience, instead of Alexis voice
Speaker 5: reading the book, it's the grandma's kids, the kid's grandma's voice,
Speaker 5: said Amazon's head scientist for alex Ai. The AI scientist
Speaker 5: introduced the clip by saying that adding human attributes to
Speaker 5: AI systems was increasingly important in these times of the
Speaker 5: ongoing pandemic, when so much of us lost loved ones.
Speaker 2: Okay, put a lit on it.
Speaker 3: Just say you want to make some new tech. You know,
Speaker 3: COVID was happening six years ago when this thing was
Speaker 3: in development. So I'm trying to make it a new
Speaker 3: story anyway. The thing I like about that is I
Speaker 3: would love to hear my voice as my own AI assistant.
Speaker 2: That'd be quite fun. Really, Hey, lil, can you take
Speaker 2: me to cater? Yeah? Babe?
Speaker 4: Oh you know what? You know what I reckon is
Speaker 4: going to happen?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well is you know how we make certain money off
Speaker 5: personality based endeavors. That should be a thing doing a
Speaker 5: whole voice like moment to them, be someone's Alexa.
Speaker 2: Amazing, write that down. Okay, that's a good idea, go
Speaker 2: to WAYE.
Speaker 4: Would you do the dead relative thing?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tried it out, but I don't think I
Speaker 3: have any dead relatives that I was close enough to
Speaker 3: that I want to hear their voice.
Speaker 2: God forbid of one of my faves left. I might
Speaker 2: want a little something I don't want to think about death?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 2: Sorry? Can I guess sensitive and emotional?
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