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Speaker 1: This episode of Two Good Sports was recorded on Warundry

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Speaker 1: and gadigul Land. This land was never seated, always was,

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Speaker 1: always will be. Hello, Hello, and welcome to two Good

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Speaker 1: Sports sports news told differently. I'm Georgie Tunney and I'm Nevo.

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Speaker 1: AND's Nevo is back once again joining us this week. Jellmy,

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Speaker 1: do not fret everyone. She will be returning soon. She's

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Speaker 1: still just taking a little bit of a break. But Nevo,

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited because I love seeing your face this

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Speaker 1: early in the morning.

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Speaker 2: I do love starting my week this way. I've got

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Speaker 2: to say, I harassed you constantly on the phone, but

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Speaker 2: you have to talk to me now each Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: It is forced upon you, and I love it.

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Speaker 1: Nevo has pointed out something here. I'm not always the

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Speaker 1: best on the text, the text line, the phone, call line,

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Speaker 1: any kind of contacting line. I'm not amazing, am I yeah?

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Speaker 2: But who is? Who is? George? No judgment, I'd say

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Speaker 2: you're pretty You're pretty good.

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Speaker 1: No, you're pretty good. And like we do work in

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Speaker 1: a communication industry and I criticize people all the time

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Speaker 1: for being unable to communicate, and yet here I am.

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Speaker 2: I just need to start paying you, George, it has

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Speaker 2: to be part of your job to reply to my

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Speaker 2: text messages.

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Speaker 1: And here we are because on the show this week

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Speaker 1: we are going to get into a big, deep dive

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Speaker 1: on the state of men's football in Australia. It's not

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Speaker 1: often that we actually turn the spotlight on the male code,

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Speaker 1: but a lot is happening there. But before we get

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Speaker 1: to it, good sport, bad sport, Nevo, what have you

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Speaker 1: got this week?

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Speaker 2: I thought hard about trying to bring a bad sport

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Speaker 2: for the first time. George, I'm not going to I'm

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Speaker 2: leaning back into another good sport.

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Speaker 1: God, you're just so positive.

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Speaker 2: Ah well, you can tell me whether you think this

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Speaker 2: is so positive or not, because I loved this from

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Speaker 2: Garbina Mugarutha during the week former world number one, just

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Speaker 2: one a couple of Grand Slams, French Open, Wimbledon beat.

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Speaker 2: I think both Venus and Serena Williams in the finals

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Speaker 2: those Grand Slams, and there's not too many players who

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Speaker 2: can claim to have ever done that.

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Speaker 1: No, imagine that. Imagine just being like, oh, so what

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Speaker 1: do you do and she's like, I'm a tennis player.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh what, I know you And It's like, well,

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Speaker 1: I have actually defeated the Williams sisters at.

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Speaker 2: Like you might not know me, but you know who

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Speaker 2: I've beaten. Damn it. So she has just announced her

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Speaker 2: retirement at the ripe old age of thirty, and people

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Speaker 2: keep asking her what these amazing big things she's heading

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Speaker 2: off to do in her retirement is, and I love

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Speaker 2: her response so much. She's like, I'm leaving tennis because

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to being with my loved ones, making

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Speaker 2: a trip without my tennis rackets, probably building a family,

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Speaker 2: getting a dog, a pug by the way, shut up,

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Speaker 2: I just want to do nothing.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so sorry. Is Gabina mug Ruth and me

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Speaker 1: have been in the same room, Like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: Are you in a financial position to retire at age thirty, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: I'm also not thirty. Oh damn well missed it. God

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Speaker 1: damn it. Oh my god. Imagine being just like so

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Speaker 1: content and having the means to be thirty and like, no,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to start living now. But

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Speaker 1: my bad sport is being awarded to the AFL this

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Speaker 1: week because recently we had the Anzac Day clash. It

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Speaker 1: is one of the biggest games on the calendar in

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Speaker 1: Ossie rules football Essendon Collingwood. It's always usually a blood bath.

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Speaker 1: There's so much passion on display. And this year's event,

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Speaker 1: the pinnacle of the game, ended in a draw. Like

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Speaker 1: it did you know? I think it was nearly twenty

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Speaker 1: Day game was played, it also ended in a draw.

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Speaker 1: And I just feel, Nevo that surely they have to

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Speaker 1: think about doing extra time, golden goal something, because it

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Speaker 1: doesn't sit well with me. You want to win a result.

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Speaker 1: I want a winner. I want a winner. And I

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Speaker 1: know coaches are like blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah sometimes you've I've watched this epic battle and no

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Speaker 1: No, Nevo, do you know who speaks like that? Losers,

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Speaker 1: winners should take all of the points. There should be

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Speaker 1: And just think about it all of like, especially in

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Speaker 1: But think about a golden goal situation where you know

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Speaker 1: no brainer. In the next five years, it will happen.

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Speaker 2: How long are you going to make them play golden

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Speaker 2: two days later? Georgie's like, no, keep going.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a really good point because it can't be

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Speaker 1: and that is actually cruel and unusual punishment to be like,

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Speaker 1: you've just played like three hours of football grade he's

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Speaker 2: And if it's still a draw, like rock paper scissors

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I'm not against it. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Darcy Moore and Jake's stringer being like, okay, boys, let's

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Speaker 2: Sissus paper rock, don't your first what's your first? Go

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Speaker 2: to scissars paper rock?

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Speaker 1: Every time it changes neither You've got to read your opponent.

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Speaker 1: You can't just have a go to What do you

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Speaker 1: mean there's strategy involved. I read the other person's mind.

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Speaker 1: It's not rock.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely not rock. Oh my goodness, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: We are away. We're away. We need to get serious.

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Speaker 1: We need to rein it in because we're here to

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Speaker 1: solve some issues, and the biggest ones right now in

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Speaker 1: football in this country seem to revolve around the men's game.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with the Sockruse, What's happened with the

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Speaker 1: We have talked so so much on this show about

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Speaker 1: the Matilda's full disclosure. Obviously our audience knows this, but

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Speaker 1: you do know this about me as well. But Jelmy

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Speaker 1: Matilda's number one ticket holders, or at least we should be.

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Speaker 1: Like I think Jelmy runs the Mery Fowler fan club

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Speaker 1: and I am its number one patron. Do you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, this is where we're at.

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Speaker 2: I saw you do an interview with the Matilda once

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Speaker 2: Lydia Williams, and you did it in your Matilda's jersey.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what do you my faith, what's going.

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Speaker 1: On as she's objective till the end. Nevo, she's such

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Speaker 1: a passionable I think you've got your find. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's how much I love this team, right, And I

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Speaker 1: What have we had, like thirteen sellouts in a row

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Speaker 2: Them, nev hottest to get in town. Completely agree. And

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Speaker 2: a couple more coming up before the Paris Olympics, in

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Speaker 2: both Adelaide and Sydney. Two more sellouts to come.

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Speaker 1: And I have to say that even though at the

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Speaker 1: moment there has been this real kind of apathy towards

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Speaker 1: the Olympics and largest sporting events, it's teams like the

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Speaker 1: Matildas that make it interesting for everyone because regardless of

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Speaker 1: it is and what it means to you, the Matildas

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Speaker 1: like this country will be shut down. That is how

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Speaker 1: far the women's game has come in Australia. However, the

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Speaker 1: that's going to be meant to be representing us in Paris.

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Speaker 1: I say meant to be purposefully because they actually failed

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Speaker 1: to qualify for the Olympics this year in Evo, which

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Speaker 1: means that we will actually not see any of our

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it happened at the Asian Cup, the Under twenty

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Speaker 2: we failed to make it out of our group George.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we finished winless and scoreless for the first

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Speaker 2: we went out at the group stage, and in order

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Speaker 2: and win a playoff match. And look, that was always

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Speaker 2: a very long shot, to be fair, but I think

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Speaker 2: the facts that we went out so meekly that made

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Speaker 2: the failure feel so much worse.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you think because this isn't the first time

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Speaker 2: there in that? As we've said, it is the Oli rus,

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Speaker 2: so it is the under twenty threes. But this tournament

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Speaker 2: also happened outside of a FIFA window, so young Oussie

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Speaker 2: missing at least half a dozen of our best young

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Speaker 2: have an agreement with Football Australia that they will release players.

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Speaker 2: The A leagues were really strongly represented, but it wasn't

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Speaker 2: the crem dela creme of young Ossie footballer playing in

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Speaker 2: Katar at this tournament.

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Speaker 1: I'm loving the French reference. Sorry does she speak French?

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Speaker 1: Hang on a second, she's ready attended. I think that

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Speaker 1: comprehending where we're at with the men's game in Australia,

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Speaker 1: it is important to point out the difference between Olympic

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Speaker 1: football and world football. So for the men, it's an

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Speaker 1: under twenty three's team. A lot of people can't be selected.

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Speaker 1: They don't necessarily have to be allowed to be selected

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Speaker 1: for the national team. You are allowed to pick three

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Speaker 1: And so in my head, Neiva I was like, okay, great,

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Speaker 1: So if that was the case, what we just pulled

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Speaker 1: in like Harry Harry's souitter and he's coming in, He's coming.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna get. We're just gonna get here. We're

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Speaker 1: just gonna get like Jackson Nervine, who's the gray Wiggle,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get Andrew Redmain, Like we'll just pick them

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Speaker 1: and have them in the team. And obviously that's not

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Speaker 1: the case for the Matilda's because it is the household

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Speaker 1: names that we know and love, the Mary Fowlers that

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Speaker 1: I mean, not Sam Kurt hurts that she's not going

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Speaker 1: to be there. But you know, it's those faces that

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Speaker 1: we see on posters in our bedrooms now, and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's assigned George, that the next

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Speaker 1: We've got it, We've got it. Play that back, see

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Speaker 1: that to happen. Like That's what the men's game in

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Speaker 1: this kind can't afford right now, is that they need

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Speaker 1: that they need to be a.

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Speaker 2: Part of it.

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Speaker 1: They need to be in the conversation, and.

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Speaker 2: We have players that drive that conversation as well, Likenstoria

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Speaker 2: and Kunda, who has been signed by Bayern Munich. He's

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Speaker 2: the young, incredible prodigy from Adelaide United who has remarkable potential.

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Speaker 2: Whether he reaches on it or not, we shall see.

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Speaker 2: In God I hope he does. But he wasn't picked

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Speaker 2: in this team by Tony Vidmar. And of course it's

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Speaker 2: easy to look back knowing what we know now, but

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Speaker 2: what we needed in that tournament was a goalscorer. We

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Speaker 2: needed that electric kind of excitement that he can inject

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Speaker 2: into a game off the bench, and he's the obvious

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Speaker 2: player to do exactly that, and yet for whatever reason

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Speaker 2: he wasn't there, He wasn't selected initially.

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Speaker 1: Nevoens, as someone who knows the soccer us, you have

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Speaker 1: covered them extensively, especially over the last twelve months. Why

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Speaker 1: should Australia care about this team?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what, George, I think this current bunch

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Speaker 2: of soccrew's actually demonstrate personify a lot of things that

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Speaker 2: we love in our athletes. They're not This current bunch

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Speaker 2: of socrews are not the best footballers in the world.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to try and argue that they are.

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Speaker 2: They are a lovely bunch of guys. They are loads

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Speaker 2: and loads of gorgeous humans in this team who have

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Speaker 2: great stories to tell. A really beautifully Harry Souter is

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Speaker 2: this man mountain in the middle of defense, but also

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Speaker 2: this gentle giant off it. Jackson Irvine has the best

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Speaker 2: retro football jersey collection in the world. He's a football

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Speaker 2: hipster himself. I love the fact that every time he

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Speaker 2: arrives in camp with his little mustache, he has a

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Speaker 2: different Ossie jersey from back through the ages. On and

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Speaker 2: he tells great stories. There's incredible stories within this team

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Speaker 2: that I would love us to be more open to

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Speaker 2: hearing them, to get better at telling. And I think

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Speaker 2: one thing the Matilda's have done really well themselves over

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Speaker 2: the years is tell those stories, show the personalities that

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Speaker 2: exist within the side and help people connect to those humans.

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Speaker 2: And maybe the Soccrews can get better at doing that

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Speaker 2: because certainly behind the scenes in all of your dealings

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Speaker 2: with this team, they're really lovely bunch of boys and

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Speaker 2: they give their absolute all every time they are on

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Speaker 2: that park and they need to because they're not the

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Speaker 2: best footballers on the planet right now, so they need

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Speaker 2: to absolutely leave everything out there. And we love a

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Speaker 2: fighter in Australia, don't we. We love people who are

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Speaker 2: there in the battle giving their all, and that is

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Speaker 2: absolutely what this team does. What we'd also love is

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Speaker 2: that little bit of spark and some incredible goal scorer

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Speaker 2: there at the front, you know, the next Timmy Cahill,

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Speaker 2: maybe Nesta Aron Kunda who we mentioned before. But I

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Speaker 2: think if you take this bunch of battlers and that's

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Speaker 2: what they are, but in the best sense of the word, George,

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Speaker 2: that is what they are. If you can take that

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Speaker 2: and just add add a bit of fire ad a

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Speaker 2: bit of spark, then maybe that's what ignites us.

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Speaker 1: I love it. We also love self aware athletes. So

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Speaker 1: for this team, I'm excited now and see look what

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Speaker 1: you've done. You've taken this team that I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're okay. I know Harry Suter and you know, but

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Speaker 1: now I'm like, Jackson Irvine has a vintage Australian like

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Speaker 1: jersey collection. I need to see that. I want to

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Speaker 1: see that. I want to pick his brain about who

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Speaker 1: has the best jerseys, who was the ugliest jerseys? What

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Speaker 1: do you think of his current kid? Like, this is

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Speaker 1: what they need to tap into.

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Speaker 3: They should hire you for PHLA the FIA.

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Speaker 1: We were talking earlier on the podcast about my not

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Speaker 1: so complimentary feelings about there not being any golden point

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Speaker 1: in the AFL, and you know, I, after just talking

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Speaker 1: about the soccer is being self aware. I'm also self

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Speaker 1: aware because you know, I'm a rugby league gal and

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Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I am just you know, bringing

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Speaker 1: that lens to this. I mean, it probably hasn't even

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Speaker 1: existed that long in rugby league, but maybe it's just

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Speaker 1: a new thing. It's a recency bias that I have,

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Speaker 1: Nevo and s diid you know that the first golden

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Speaker 1: point game occurred twenty years ago. This has been happening

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Speaker 1: where we've not been having these draws for like twenty years.

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Speaker 1: That's why a rugby leagu's amazing because we've had so

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Speaker 1: much like fun attacking football, NIVO.

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Speaker 2: Golden point extra time in rugby league is not always

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Speaker 2: fun attacking football, George. In fact, it's often quite the opposite.

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Speaker 1: You're calling out my lens. But when it is good,

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Speaker 1: it is so so great. And obviously I've actually cut

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Speaker 1: like two thousand and three NIVO. I was in year seven.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember, Yeah, I was in year seven.

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Speaker 1: So I've like the majority of my life has been

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Speaker 1: spent watching this concept unfold in rugby league. But I

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Speaker 1: still remember there being those people. Coaches were really against it,

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Speaker 1: a lot of pundits were really against it. Traditional at first,

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Speaker 1: they did not like it and they were like, this

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Speaker 1: is ridiculous. But now I've had two decades to get

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Speaker 1: used to it, So don't worry. Aussie Rules. You just

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Speaker 1: need two decades, you'll figure it out. You'll have some

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Speaker 1: amazing games which will make you forget the boring Golden

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Speaker 1: Point games. As Nevo says, but the first game was

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Speaker 1: actually between Manly and Paramatta at Brookvale Oval in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and three, and since then more than one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty Golden Point matches have played. Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty drawers? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Look, when you put it like that.

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Speaker 1: And Nevo, this is just a fun little end for

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Speaker 1: us to finish on which I thought you'd really like.

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Speaker 1: The winning is team when it comes to Golden Point

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Speaker 1: the Canterbury Bulldover. The second best team at winning are

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Speaker 1: the Broncos, which we just win them, but not when

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Speaker 1: it matters, so that's really fun to know for me.

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Speaker 1: But the team that's the worst at it are the

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Speaker 1: West Tigers. And the team that's the second worst at it,

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Speaker 1: who is it?

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Speaker 2: Nevo?

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Speaker 1: You read out those little notes there, who's that team?

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Speaker 2: Look, let's just say there's a reason why I'm not

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Speaker 2: a big fan of Golden Point extra time, and the

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Speaker 2: reason is the Knights are really bad at it.

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Speaker 1: They're no good, They're no good.

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Speaker 2: I think we found a happy medium, though, George. I

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Speaker 2: love the fact that you get that ten minutes of

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Speaker 2: non sudden death extra time first.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: To score a try, win the game, be the difference

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Speaker 2: before we get to what can turn into a field

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Speaker 2: goal off, which is less than exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. There's also because then it allows there to be

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Speaker 1: some strategy, right yes, which you know all the pondits

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Speaker 1: and the purists and the coaches when they were complaining

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Speaker 1: about Golden Point in its initial inception, they'd love that

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Speaker 1: now because they get to plan something else. They get

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Speaker 1: to talk about something else at length, about how they

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Speaker 1: could maybe strategize a way out of this, you know,

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Speaker 1: another way to victory. So all I'm saying is AFL,

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Speaker 1: get on board. Just join the modern century. I mean,

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Speaker 1: come lost time, it's time. It's time, hatchtag, it's time.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, Nevo, thank you so much again for joining

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Speaker 1: me on to Good Sports. We've solved a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: We've raised a lot of questions. We've figured out that

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Speaker 1: we are the problem in the end. It's been a

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Speaker 1: roller coaster. But thank you so much for listening to

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Speaker 1: another episode of two Good Sports as well. This is

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