Speaker 1: Get everyone Sam here. Who would have thought we're going
Speaker 1: to get in a guest today to talk about something
Speaker 1: that is important for absolutely every single one of us
Speaker 1: and it's only going to become more important as we
Speaker 1: head into summer. And that is doctor Adrianne Lee, who
Speaker 1: is going to blow our minds in a good way
Speaker 1: on the importance of taking care of ourselves in the
Speaker 1: hot Australian sun. We had a little bit of a
Speaker 1: chat before I knew she was coming on today and
Speaker 1: just some of the stats that she was sharing with
Speaker 1: me forgetting just the intensity of the UV rays in
Speaker 1: this country that we live in, and how many of
Speaker 1: us do the right thing, but still how many of
Speaker 1: us don't do the right thing and make ourselves susceptible
Speaker 1: to something that is so avoidable. And we're going to
Speaker 1: go through the whole a disease of how you take
Speaker 1: care of your skin and in turn take care of
Speaker 1: your health.
Speaker 2: So that's coming up next in the wood Life, and then.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about cozy cardio. Sam, what is
Speaker 1: cozy cardio? Well, you better stick around to find out. Okay,
Speaker 1: we are joined in the studio today and we've just
Speaker 1: been having the very quickest chat before before coming on
Speaker 1: air with the President of the Australasian College of Dermatologists,
Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined by doctor Adrian Lee. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the WOODLFE.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you, Sam.
Speaker 4: It's actually a pleasure to be here and I'm grateful
Speaker 4: to be invited to speak about this topic because it's
Speaker 4: really important to us.
Speaker 2: It is really important.
Speaker 1: And the thing that we were just saying before we
Speaker 1: went on air is I almost feel like the fact
Speaker 1: that we haven't spoken to you or anyone in this
Speaker 1: area of skin cancer is almost a metaphor of the
Speaker 1: fact that we all just forget about it. And when
Speaker 1: I was doing some research about you coming in today
Speaker 1: and I read that eighty percent of new cancers in
Speaker 1: this country are actually diagnosed are actually skin cancer, I
Speaker 1: really fell off my chair.
Speaker 2: I really did. That was much much higher than I
Speaker 2: would have thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is.
Speaker 4: It's probably downplayed a lot, and we hear a lot
Speaker 4: about particular types of skin cancers or melanoma, but we
Speaker 4: forget there are much more common skin cancers out there.
Speaker 4: And if you add up every other cancer skin cancers
Speaker 4: in terms of numbers, at weighs all of those put together.
Speaker 4: So it's a really high proportion of cancers diagnosed, or
Speaker 4: all skin cancers. In my everyday practice, I would see
Speaker 4: you know, five ten a day.
Speaker 3: And that's just one of me.
Speaker 1: So then my head went to guilt because and I
Speaker 1: don't know if my listens like Sam, that's horrific.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm the same. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Actually, I think probably a bit of both. But I
Speaker 1: think I've been checked once in my adult life and
Speaker 1: I'm not totally blase wear my hat, I wear sunscreen,
Speaker 1: you know. But we do have this bronzed Aussie like
Speaker 1: having a tan is a sign of good health, and
Speaker 1: like even if I go away on holiday and get
Speaker 1: a bit of a tech like the amount of compliments
Speaker 1: you get when you're oh, you look fantastic, mate, the
Speaker 1: holiday was just the thing you needed, and I reckon
Speaker 1: the only thing different is a tan.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a dangerous image, isn't it, you know, for us
Speaker 1: to strive for it is.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a real perception that if you look bronzed,
Speaker 4: you must be healthy, and I guess it associates without
Speaker 4: directivities and therefore being sporty, and so there's all that
Speaker 4: knock on effect of perception, but there's actually is a cliche,
Speaker 4: but there's no such thing as a healthy tan, and
Speaker 4: even some that causes and without sunburn can cause damage
Speaker 4: to the skin and the skin cells that come out
Speaker 4: later in life as skin cancer. And I think if
Speaker 4: you put it this way, if we have some of
Speaker 4: the highest levels of skin cancer in the world, and
Speaker 4: we have some of the UV in the world, yet
Speaker 4: a majority of our skin cancers are preventable with appropriate
Speaker 4: sun protection and also very treatable with early detection, then
Speaker 4: a lot can change.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to come in here and be
Speaker 1: go over the top, no, but I'd.
Speaker 2: Love you to scare me a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know, I know that sounds a bit weird, but
Speaker 1: I think I need a bit of a scare because
Speaker 1: I get a bit lax with it. So how bad
Speaker 1: is our UV compared to other countries and how can
Speaker 1: you spook us with?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, if we put it this way, so there's
Speaker 4: three types of UV. There's UVC, UVB, and UVA, and
Speaker 4: so UVC is the stuff that is really bad and
Speaker 4: most of it is filtered out, but it's filtered by
Speaker 4: the ozone layer. So starting with that, there's a hole
Speaker 4: in the ozone layer, which sort of centers around Victoria
Speaker 4: and Tasmania. And then UVB, which is this uv that's
Speaker 4: out that causes sunburns and skin cancers. That's a very
Speaker 4: high index in Australia and in Australia for northern Australia
Speaker 4: and the middle of Australia, it's out all year round.
Speaker 4: It does disappear in the winter in the southern States,
Speaker 4: which is where we can be a bit more relaxed
Speaker 4: with our sudden protection. But when it's out, it has
Speaker 4: the potential to sunburn if you're out in the sun
Speaker 4: for say more than ten minutes, and it has the
Speaker 4: potential to cause damage and that can lead on to
Speaker 4: skin cancers if you're out for that short period of time.
Speaker 4: And then the other UV's UVA, and it's the one
Speaker 4: we always forget about because UVB is blocked out by
Speaker 4: window glass, so we think we're safe if we're sitting
Speaker 4: in a car or sitting behind a window, but UVA
Speaker 4: can still penetrate throo and that can also cause us
Speaker 4: skin cancer. Also aging, I mean, we don't want to
Speaker 4: look older than we need to. And the thing about
Speaker 4: the whole bronze Dozzie is that actually they will look seventeen,
Speaker 4: they're actually fifty because of all that sun exposure.
Speaker 3: And that's another aspect to it.
Speaker 2: All right, spook me tell me, yeah, I'm I'm ready to.
Speaker 4: Not like you very m no, and I'll take that proudly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listening, lady, Alright, this podcasting scared the life out
Speaker 2: of me. I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: Well, let's put it this way.
Speaker 4: So if we look at it skin cancers, two in
Speaker 4: three Australians by the age of seventy will have been
Speaker 4: diagnosed with a skin cancer.
Speaker 2: Of every Australian we'll.
Speaker 4: Get a skin cancer. So last year one point six
Speaker 4: billion dollars of the health budget was spent on skin
Speaker 4: cancer diagnosis, treatment and detection. And that's just a rough
Speaker 4: estimate on based on sort of Medicare figures because they
Speaker 4: don't collect datron most skin cancers. They only collected on melanoma,
Speaker 4: and so it's the most expensive cancer expenditure for our government.
Speaker 3: And if you add up all those.
Speaker 4: That can all the other cancers, and they're cost to
Speaker 4: treat skin cancer by far out weighs that. So that's
Speaker 4: how common it is, and that's how expensit it is.
Speaker 4: But the sad thing is most of them preventable, so
Speaker 4: we could actually reduce that reduce the numbers with good
Speaker 4: sun protection practices.
Speaker 1: So let's go to what we should be doing both.
Speaker 1: Let's let's start at the very source. So you know what,
Speaker 1: from a prevent I know, we all know slip stop slap.
Speaker 1: I don't think it hurts to refresh, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: That's one is that that'll be with us, you know,
Speaker 1: for a hundred years.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But so yeah, tell us what we do.
Speaker 1: Tell us that maybe the one thing that you frustrates
Speaker 1: you that you don't see estrangers this absolute no brainer,
Speaker 1: and it drives you mare that not enough of us
Speaker 1: are doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And also I think there's some misconceptions and myths that
Speaker 4: I think you bust them. Yeah, yeah, Look, and slip
Speaker 4: stop slap is still the sort of gold standard. So
Speaker 4: we still slip on a shirt and I think the
Speaker 4: thing about that is just clothing that covers up your skin,
Speaker 4: because that's better than sunscreen. And the thing is that
Speaker 4: it should be tightly woven, so if you hold it
Speaker 4: up to the sun, you shouldn't be able to see
Speaker 4: through it. And then you know, it's tightly woven and
Speaker 4: that way that you'll get your best sun protection. So
Speaker 4: slip on a shirt, slop on sunscreen. So with sunscreens, basically,
Speaker 4: I think the two factors are is that A we
Speaker 4: don't put enough on and B we need to be
Speaker 4: able to choose the right sunscreen.
Speaker 1: The we don't we don't put it on frequently enough,
Speaker 1: or when we do put it on, we put it
Speaker 1: on too thinly.
Speaker 3: Probably both.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So strictly speaking, if you're putting enough sunscreen on,
Speaker 4: you should be putting the equivalent of a tea spin
Speaker 4: or every single body part. So a tea spoon on
Speaker 4: your arm, a tea spoon on your other arm, a
Speaker 4: tea spoon on your face and neck, one on your
Speaker 4: front of your body, one on the back, one on
Speaker 4: each leg. That's thirty five meals of sunscreen. So it's
Speaker 4: actually quite a lot up. Yeah, it does. And so
Speaker 4: the sprays you can never get enough on the aerosol
Speaker 4: sunscreens because I know they use a friendly, but it's
Speaker 4: hard to get good coverage with that. The other thing
Speaker 4: about sunscreen I want to mention is that we always
Speaker 4: talk about that sun protection factor, and we do recommend
Speaker 4: sun protection SB fifty and above. But the other trick
Speaker 4: is that only measures UVB protection and u v A
Speaker 4: also causes skin cancers. So it's important you get a
Speaker 4: broad spectrum one because the broad spectrum one will also.
Speaker 2: Protection from you v You never know what broad spectrum that's.
Speaker 3: What it means.
Speaker 1: I see it on the sure sounds good.
Speaker 2: But I mean I look for the highest number.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: So broad spectrum fifty plus and they said on every four.
Speaker 3: Hours, really every trio.
Speaker 4: More as soon as you come out of the water,
Speaker 4: if you're swimming and going to be outdoors, that's right.
Speaker 2: What are these ones that are water resistant? You did
Speaker 2: buy that or is it there is evidence to suggest
Speaker 2: that they're better, that.
Speaker 4: They will stick a bit better while you're in sort of,
Speaker 4: And that includes water resistance important is not only important
Speaker 4: for water sports, but also if you get sweaty, and
Speaker 4: that's where water resistance also plays a role in your sunscreen.
Speaker 4: But they do play a role, So you're better off
Speaker 4: using a water resistant one than a non water resistant
Speaker 4: one if you're going to be getting wet in any manner.
Speaker 4: But once you've actually gotten out of water, they're probably
Speaker 4: no longer effective. So that's why you want to reapply
Speaker 4: as soon as you come out of the water anyway,
Speaker 4: independent of how long you've been in there too. And
Speaker 4: one more trick is you do need to put your
Speaker 4: sun's screen on, say about twenty minutes before you head.
Speaker 3: Out, so it works.
Speaker 2: I'm really bad. Yeah, I put it on. Then the
Speaker 2: kids go go, let's go swimming. It's probably all washed
Speaker 2: off in that eight seconds of putting it on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that okay, that's really good. So we've got our sunscreen,
Speaker 2: We've got our shirt.
Speaker 3: Yep. So we've slip slopped, and we're going to slap
Speaker 3: on a hat.
Speaker 4: And I think the key is, especially because of our ears,
Speaker 4: because of the back of our neck, has to be
Speaker 4: nice and broad brimmed.
Speaker 3: I've got my nice Happy Year.
Speaker 4: As well, two which I love, and that gives you
Speaker 4: good protection. Now, the other two things that have been
Speaker 4: added to the slip stop slap campaign are so slide
Speaker 4: on some sunglasses. Yeah, And the reason is that not
Speaker 4: only does sun cause skin cancers, but it actually can
Speaker 4: cause some gross on your eyes and cataracts and things
Speaker 4: like that. And so traditional sunglasses also will just be
Speaker 4: square and the UV can get in through here. So
Speaker 4: you can still get some skin damage but also some
Speaker 4: damage to the eyes. So sliding on sunglasses that are
Speaker 4: preferably tight and wrap around would be better. And then
Speaker 4: seek shade, So slip, stop, slap, slide, seek And so
Speaker 4: it's seeking shade. So if you're out ideally you stand
Speaker 4: in the shade. Although that's not a subsidity. You still
Speaker 4: need your sunscreen, you still need your hat, but you're
Speaker 4: standing in the shade rather than in the direct sun.
Speaker 1: All right, So slip, slop, slap, slide shade. And so
Speaker 1: then what about proactively going to the doctor?
Speaker 2: How often should be going?
Speaker 1: Is there a particular age that you say from this
Speaker 1: age onwards, this is when you should starts absolutely.
Speaker 4: I think the first thing to say is that everyone
Speaker 4: should be checking themselves, and that's the place to start.
Speaker 4: So a really every change of season. It sounds like
Speaker 4: a lot, but you know, you change your toothbrush, you
Speaker 4: just do a quick check of your skin and so
Speaker 4: you get to know your skin. You get to know
Speaker 4: your spots really well. And a skin check on yourself
Speaker 4: is really quick and it doesn't take much because you
Speaker 4: just use a mirror and use a handheld mirror. You
Speaker 4: check your front you put your back to the well
Speaker 4: mirror and then you look over your handheld and you
Speaker 4: can do a check of most of your body parts
Speaker 4: and you don't forget to check the things we don't
Speaker 4: think to check, so even the soles of your feet,
Speaker 4: sometimes between your toes, the ears, and then the bits
Speaker 4: you can't see. Hopefully you've got a partner who can
Speaker 4: help you. Hairdressers are invaluable for your scalp on top
Speaker 4: of the head as well, and they will often comment
Speaker 4: on a spot that they see and say, get that
Speaker 4: checked so and then if you notice anything. So what
Speaker 4: you're looking for is as firstly a new spot.
Speaker 3: That looks different, because a lot.
Speaker 4: Of people think that most melanomas come from pre existing
Speaker 4: moles that change, but in fact three quarter of melanomas
Speaker 4: come from your normal skin. And we often talk about
Speaker 4: the ABC, D, E R all so A being asymmetry,
Speaker 4: B being a border that's irregular or funny shaped or smudgy.
Speaker 4: C being colors, so lots of colors, so dark brown,
Speaker 4: light brown, black, red, gray, blue, D being diameter meaning
Speaker 4: it's growing, and E being evolution. So other changes, you know,
Speaker 4: getting lumpy, getting scabby, getting crusty, so they're the things
Speaker 4: you would be looking for in your own own moles,
Speaker 4: and as is it anything that looks different And we
Speaker 4: always say ugly duckling. So when you look at your
Speaker 4: skin and your eyes go straight to a spot and
Speaker 4: you just can't ignore it, that's an ugly duckley and
Speaker 4: then you know, I better get that checked. So if
Speaker 4: you see something like that, straight to your GP.
Speaker 1: And what is once you get that diagnosis from your GP,
Speaker 1: what's then the process? What typically do people have to
Speaker 1: have done and what percentage? I mean, are there some
Speaker 1: stats on how many of them are serious, how many
Speaker 1: of them are fatal? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So basically, if they're worried about a spot, they'll
Speaker 4: send you on to a dermatologist, and if we get
Speaker 4: the message that there's a concerning spot, we'll try and
Speaker 4: fast track seeing them because some of us do have
Speaker 4: waiting lists, so we're aware that are certain things that
Speaker 4: we need to see quickly. Then when we see the
Speaker 4: patient and we feel if it is a concern, it
Speaker 4: will depend on what we see and what we think
Speaker 4: it might be. Sometimes we'll just take a sample of
Speaker 4: it and do a biop see other times we'll cut
Speaker 4: the whole thing out and then based on the result,
Speaker 4: will recommend the appropriate treatment in terms of what we
Speaker 4: might find. So the commoner skin cancers that's sort of
Speaker 4: two in three people data, is more commonly what we
Speaker 4: call keratinocyte skin cancers as opposed to melanomas. They used
Speaker 4: to be called non melanoma skin cancers. So there's something
Speaker 4: called a basal cell skin cancer that comes from the
Speaker 4: bottom layer of the skin cells, and they're sort of
Speaker 4: slow growing. They eat away the local skin, but they're
Speaker 4: very treatable and they really rarely spread through the body
Speaker 4: of metastas eyes, and they're the ones that I would
Speaker 4: see five or ten times a day. And some of
Speaker 4: those are just in the surface of the skin, like
Speaker 4: red shiny spots or pearly lumps, and those we just
Speaker 4: cut out all. Some are amenable to a cream or freezing,
Speaker 4: and so they don't always lead to surgery. The next
Speaker 4: level of cancer is something called a squam of sell
Speaker 4: skin cancer, and they start from the top layers of skin.
Speaker 4: They grow a bit more quickly. They can be painful,
Speaker 4: and those ones, if we neglect them, have a small
Speaker 4: risk of starting to spread through the body, But again
Speaker 4: by and large are just amenable to cutting them out.
Speaker 4: So we just cut them out and that's the end
Speaker 4: of it and they won't cause any trouble. It's the
Speaker 4: melanomas that are the serious ones. And while they're less common.
Speaker 4: So I think the stats are one in fourteen men
Speaker 4: and one in twenty one women. So that's important to
Speaker 4: remember because unfortunately, I think men are maybe a bit
Speaker 4: less diligent about sun protection and their health checks as well,
Speaker 4: but the rates of melanoma are higher. So one in
Speaker 4: fourteen men twenty one women will get a melanoma in
Speaker 4: their lifetime in Australia.
Speaker 1: That still scares me a lot. To me, that still
Speaker 1: feels very high. I don't go only one in fourtee.
Speaker 4: It's the third commonest cancer that is in Australia because
Speaker 4: we have to take out the correct skin cancers because
Speaker 4: we don't click data on those, but of the big
Speaker 4: cancers they click data on, it's the third commonest.
Speaker 2: And what about what about from what age?
Speaker 1: I mean, what age should I start doing my quarterly
Speaker 1: self checks and what age should I be insisting my
Speaker 1: GP doing it once over once a year.
Speaker 4: I often think about school age is the time to
Speaker 4: do just your first check to work out where you're
Speaker 4: at it, we'll starting to know yours and then with
Speaker 4: your annual checks. Often we're a bit older when we
Speaker 4: start to get annual checks from our GP, so that
Speaker 4: might be in your.
Speaker 2: I've only started doing it.
Speaker 1: I think I was forty, that's it, So I don't
Speaker 1: know it's.
Speaker 2: My fortieth birthday, is alarmer?
Speaker 3: What else?
Speaker 2: But Yeah, the skin's one thing. So would you advise
Speaker 2: from forty or earlier?
Speaker 3: Or it depends a bit on respectors.
Speaker 4: Sure, So for someone who's never had a skin cancer,
Speaker 4: who has not got many risk factors, so they are
Speaker 4: actually not like yourself. So you're probably intermediate in terms
Speaker 4: of your skin type, but you might have had some
Speaker 4: UV exposure over the years and then probably about twenty
Speaker 4: five thirty as well. Yeah, if you've got a really
Speaker 4: strong family history of skin cancer, are you're covered in moles,
Speaker 4: that's probably an earlier age that you should be getting
Speaker 4: those skin checks.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not saying I guess. My thought is you
Speaker 2: can't really do this to it again. Your I agree
Speaker 2: for what you have to lose to the correct the inconvenience,
Speaker 2: let's get the balance right here.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I agree, and I think that it's also part
Speaker 4: of just that general looking after your general health. It
Speaker 4: gets even good ractices and it makes you think about
Speaker 4: what you're doing every day and.
Speaker 1: Are there any other symptoms that you would experience beyond
Speaker 1: a look like would you if you had a melanoma?
Speaker 1: Would you be fear in any way? Or it's purely
Speaker 1: a visual identity and identification.
Speaker 4: The spot itself might get itchy, it might scabble crust,
Speaker 4: or it might be a bit sore or tender, so
Speaker 4: it might draw your attention not just by how it looks,
Speaker 4: but how it feels.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to know. I've learned.
Speaker 1: Literally, I've just been a sponge to soaking all of
Speaker 1: this up.
Speaker 2: It's been absolutely fantasy.
Speaker 1: Last question I've got, because we've sort of spoken about
Speaker 1: how far we've come.
Speaker 2: Are there still?
Speaker 1: Are there any trends or anything still here in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three that really worries you that if you've got
Speaker 1: this as a mouthpiece to the younger people or whatever,
Speaker 1: Australians everywhere, is there anything you.
Speaker 2: Just go You've got to listen to this.
Speaker 1: You're mad to not hear this information.
Speaker 4: I think there's a few things, but in particular I
Speaker 4: think it's just still the whole tanning trend, wanting to
Speaker 4: get tanned, wanting to get sort of that healthy glow,
Speaker 4: and that health the glow naturally, is there real concern too?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: Look, I've just thought of another trend that's really right
Speaker 4: bad and it's on TikTok, and it's called the TikTok
Speaker 4: tanning trend.
Speaker 3: And there's a thought, there's a concept that if you
Speaker 3: pour a cat of beer all over your skin, you
Speaker 3: will get a better tan. I mean, I only have
Speaker 3: to say it to.
Speaker 1: Know that it's not a good idea, but there's people
Speaker 1: out there who are doing it, probably in their millions.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, because TikTok is such a reliable source of information.
Speaker 2: Isn't that.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many conversations I have on this podcast
Speaker 1: where TikTok or social media in general just.
Speaker 2: Is detrimental to our health.
Speaker 1: Adrian, that was just such an informative, lovely chat I've learned.
Speaker 1: I kind of haven't written it down, obviously, but I
Speaker 1: must have been twenty fascinating things that if I knew them,
Speaker 1: i'd forgotten them, or I definitely wasn't practicing as much
Speaker 1: as I should, or I didn't know them altogether. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure as we head into these hotter months in Australia,
Speaker 1: there'll be thousand of people listening to this just going
Speaker 1: thank you so much for such an important, powerful reminder
Speaker 1: how we can all take better care of ourselves in
Speaker 1: the hot Australians. Son, thanks so much for joining us
Speaker 1: in the woodlife.
Speaker 4: Oh appreciate it, Sam, And thank you for giving us
Speaker 4: the opportunity to speak as well at this opportune time.
Speaker 2: The pleasures on mine. Thanks you all right.
Speaker 1: So there's a new trend on social media called cozy cardio?
Speaker 2: What is it? Is it good for us?
Speaker 1: I gotta admit this hasn't come from me. This has
Speaker 1: come from my eighteen year old daughter. So there's this
Speaker 1: TikTok creator, very well known, very successful. Her name says
Speaker 1: it all, Hope zucker Brow. She gets up early in
Speaker 1: the morning, she puts on a favorite movie. She's in
Speaker 1: her comfy pajamas, she's got galaxy lamp, she's got her
Speaker 1: cat's there. She makes herself a scrumptious ice coffee drink
Speaker 1: with all her favorite You know, she's really setting herself
Speaker 1: up to enjoy exercise as much as is humanly possible.
Speaker 1: And then she walks on her little treadmill while drinking
Speaker 1: her ice coffee, which that bit I don't like because
Speaker 1: she's kind of then going I burn one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty calories with my thirty minute power walk, and she
Speaker 1: probably consumed one hundred and thirty calories with her ice coffee.
Speaker 2: So that is a little bit counterproductive.
Speaker 1: And if I'm being you know, from my own personal perspective,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of research to suggest too, that
Speaker 1: getting out and getting some vitamin D and some fresh
Speaker 1: air is absolutely my preference too, rather than in a dark,
Speaker 1: cozy room with the candles on it and your cats everywhere.
Speaker 2: But this is the thing.
Speaker 1: There'd be a lot of fitness people who would just
Speaker 1: slam hope and go yeah, hope.
Speaker 2: What she's setting the bed ex there.
Speaker 1: She's doing more good than harm. The reality is our
Speaker 1: job as fitness professionals is to help people move their
Speaker 1: body more by making the medicine taste better. So she's
Speaker 1: found this environment, all of these cues that she does,
Speaker 1: she's built a community doing the same thing. She's got
Speaker 1: this wonderful TikTok community, sending a cozy club, cups and
Speaker 1: merch and like it's a really interesting, you know way,
Speaker 1: but it just shows find something that you like doing,
Speaker 1: find an environment that you like doing it in, avoid
Speaker 1: things that are you know, it's kind of find the
Speaker 1: things that give you green lights and avoid the things
Speaker 1: that give you red lights. Gyms intimidate the crap out
Speaker 1: of a lot of people. So going to a gym
Speaker 1: with people gawking at you and standing there and mirrors everywhere,
Speaker 1: and people that you know all glammed up and in
Speaker 1: their skin tight lycra that's pretty horrendous for a lot
Speaker 1: of people. So don't feel bad if you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: my association with exercises that I'm never going to exercise again.
Speaker 1: You just have to go, Okay, that type of exercise
Speaker 1: isn't appealing to me. What else can I do? Going
Speaker 1: for a walk, getting out and about talking to no one,
Speaker 1: having your headphones in, listening to your favorite podcast, listening
Speaker 1: to your favorite music, finding a friend that you like,
Speaker 1: exercising with, doing it at home in your comfy aus pj's,
Speaker 1: doing yoga with your dog on the floor.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But we need to move so that the two messages
Speaker 1: I think are you've got to find what makes the
Speaker 1: medicine taste better for you, and something is always better
Speaker 1: than nothing.
Speaker 2: So if the.
Speaker 1: Alternative is just sitting on the couch and watching the
Speaker 1: movie or walking on your little Amazon treadmill and watching
Speaker 1: the movie, well then of course the latter is better.
Speaker 1: So we can't be too hard on ourselves. We can't
Speaker 1: strive for perfection. We don't all have to be crazy
Speaker 1: athletes or crossfitters. And Cozy Cardio is one example of
Speaker 1: how one inspirational person in a lot of ways has
Speaker 1: found something that works for her and is working.
Speaker 2: For millions of her followers.
Speaker 1: So I embrace it, I endorse it. Where I get
Speaker 1: worried is they start giving professional advice. It's way out
Speaker 1: of their pay grade, you know, like they're giving physio
Speaker 1: advice and medical advice and just incorrect information. So I
Speaker 1: do think you've got to be aware who am I
Speaker 1: listening to, What are their qualifications? Do they actually know
Speaker 1: what they're talking about or are they just funny and
Speaker 1: inspirational and entertaining. And if it's the latter, great, If
Speaker 1: you're going to them for medical advice, maybe check yourself.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, I think doing way more good
Speaker 1: than harm. The more we can move our bodies and
Speaker 1: do that with people that we enjoy spending time with
Speaker 1: and build a community and feel like we're part of something.
Speaker 1: The longer we're going to stick to it, the more
Speaker 1: we're going to enjoy each individual workout, each milestone that
Speaker 1: we achieve, and the better that we're going to be
Speaker 1: for it. And what a lovely way to finish the show,
Speaker 1: because I'm really proud of the fact that that's my
Speaker 1: attitude when it probably wasn't my adity as a twenty
Speaker 1: five or even thirty year old, and I know it's
Speaker 1: definitely not the attitude to most fitness professionals out there.
Speaker 2: Get on your TikTok channels.
Speaker 1: If you've got a TikTok channel, check out Cozy Cardio
Speaker 1: with Hope Zacher Brown. You will then have a much
Speaker 1: better idea of what I'm talking about, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you'll go you won't think Sam has lost his mind.
Speaker 1: You'll see the good bits that I'm talking about. And
Speaker 1: if there's any other trendsetters out there, let me know
Speaker 1: about them. I'd love to what's viral? What's going viral?
Speaker 1: What's trending on your social media channels? From a fitzbo
Speaker 1: perspective that I do not know about, that I should
Speaker 1: know about. That's your homework. Send it in until next week.
Speaker 1: I'll see you then