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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me.

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Speaker 2: Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher, join me as

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Speaker 2: we get to know these guests and learn about how

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Speaker 2: their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly

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Speaker 2: Failing with Lola Berry. Hello, meet Casey Beross.

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Speaker 1: She's a health journalist and lifestyle reporter and she has

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Speaker 1: just released.

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Speaker 2: Her first book. It's called The Bad Girl's Guide to Better.

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Speaker 3: It is a.

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Speaker 1: Stealth help book and it kind of like celebrates all

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Speaker 1: of the.

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Speaker 3: Messy moments in life. It's super relatable.

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Speaker 2: She's funny, she's witty, and you're going to hear in

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Speaker 2: this interview she walks her own talk.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's no bs. It's just what you see

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Speaker 1: is what you get.

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Speaker 2: I really hope you love this chat with Casey and

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Speaker 2: big congrats mate on the brand new book. Casey Barros So,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting in there straight away. Total honor to have

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Speaker 2: you on the pod today. We are here to celebrate

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Speaker 2: your brand spanky new book. And I like the way

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Speaker 2: you describe it as a stealth help book, not a

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Speaker 2: self help book.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I love the way you describe it as spanky. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's kind of what it is. Well, I

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Speaker 1: guess it is now that I have read it.

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Speaker 2: It's such a fun book, The Bad Girl's Guide to

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Speaker 2: Not Good but Better Correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm not being prescriptive about what's good and bad.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's good and bad for you. I'm

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Speaker 1: just talking about being better.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk seriously about the book before we're kind

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Speaker 2: of like, I want to talk about you.

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Speaker 1: And your career, and you've been so much fun to YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Might I say?

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Speaker 2: But what I love about this book is it's really personal.

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Speaker 2: Like as I was going through it, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's happened to me. Oh my god, that was me,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was me. By the tatoo stuff,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a tattoo, but then tattoo, It's made

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Speaker 3: You got like Japanese symbols when was it like fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Years old or something, Yes, trying to be very tough

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Speaker 2: and very cool. I didn't mean desire, yes, cringey, cringe, cringe, green.

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Speaker 2: Then you've got a second one, or like you've got

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Speaker 2: three right now, but you've got another one.

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Speaker 3: That meant like lah huh, but really it means.

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Speaker 1: Like, did you figure out. Okay, so Stacy's rolling her

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Speaker 1: eyes here. Yeah. So one of them does mean desire,

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Speaker 1: which is hilarious because I got it when I was fifteen,

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Speaker 1: and all I had desired at that point was a pony,

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Speaker 1: which I had believed someone into getting me, like a

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Speaker 1: two hundred dollar pony from the Nakari used to buck

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Speaker 1: I didn't know the first thing about desire, but I

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Speaker 1: and I was like, if I inject this black ink

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Speaker 3: The world in symbol.

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Speaker 1: I've never been to Japan, cannot speak a word of Japanese,

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Speaker 1: did not even like Japanese food at that point in time.

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Speaker 1: And then I got the second one and when I

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Speaker 2: Oh, twenties is all about the lessons. Like I figured

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Speaker 2: you and I are pretty similar ages. I feel what

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Speaker 1: So pretty easy because there were so many references, and

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Speaker 2: Similar age to me for sure. At the start case

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Speaker 2: is like, am I that I swear? I was like, mate,

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Speaker 3: So you can swear as much as you want.

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Speaker 2: There's some stuff that I took from a book that

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Speaker 2: I absolutely love and just simple, like it sounds like

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Speaker 2: And there's a your like life is a shitload easier

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Speaker 2: put into practice. And that's what's really really cool about

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Speaker 2: make it very, very very digestible.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the aim. And I think we all

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Speaker 1: take your field for example, nutrition, most people don't eat

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Speaker 1: it's less about the education, now more about like practically,

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Speaker 1: what's the barrier? Why am I not eating well? Why

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Speaker 1: describe it. Like we would never speak to ourselves in

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Speaker 1: have for a really, really, really long time. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I made so many mistakes and got so much wrong.

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Speaker 2: And I think as a female, Like it's so easy

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Speaker 3: We're like, oh, why did I Why did I just

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Why am I coming home after that? Like there's

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Speaker 2: And I loved seeing you host. I saw you host

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Speaker 3: So there was that was that called tonic? Was that that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sold, it's so funny. That feels like bion years ago.

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Speaker 1: But do you know what's so interesting about those those

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Speaker 1: are largely consistent. And it's not the stuff that sells magazines.

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Speaker 2: Yeah interesting though, right, so then can you talk me through?

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Speaker 2: Then you became a co anchr on another health and

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Speaker 1: Cool, by the way, Yeah that was the best. That

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Speaker 2: So right before we hit record, you were like, I

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Speaker 3: Can you share a little bit about that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I so, I was so nervous. As you know,

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Speaker 1: with anything to do with the media, there's as a

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Speaker 1: far greater likelihood that you will be rejected or that

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Speaker 2: And there's like five people waiting to replace you, like

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Speaker 1: That's right. And I think because my background is in production,

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Speaker 2: Well, I was about to say, you're flexing that muscle,

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Speaker 1: Yep, Because I think that every single thing that you

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Speaker 2: a gunner.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Tonic, I had no auto Q, really none. And

440
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Speaker 1: I remember my first segment that I had to deliver

441
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 1: was about helica back to pylori. Yeah. Yes, so there's

442
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 1: bacteria that kind of like lives in your body, but

443
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 1: like for some people, it's really bad and anyway, and

444
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 1: I remember I was like practicing, practicing, practicing, practicing this

445
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: word so that I'll get it right and not sound

446
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Speaker 1: like an idiot. But so I've kind of had it.

447
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: And an actual fact, I didn't have it for everyday

448
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 1: healthy either.

449
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Speaker 3: I didn't have an auto NNE.

450
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go. None of us did, which

451
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 1: actually is the world's best training, I think, because.

452
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Speaker 3: So much more fun, isn't it.

453
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: Do you know?

454
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: I went to the auditions and I learnt the lines

455
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Speaker 2: because I was so scared of the auto Q.

456
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Speaker 3: And as soon as I sat down.

457
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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, Tim, Lola, we're switching your lines.

458
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Speaker 3: So I'd learned all of his.

459
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Speaker 2: Oh man, but what a gift like it taught me

460
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 2: like you overrepared the wrong skill and that's where I

461
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 2: went into acting training. But this podcast is about you,

462
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 2: my friend. I do want to say one more thing

463
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Speaker 2: about myself. Is your alter ego called Lola.

464
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Speaker 1: Yes, I was gonna ask you. That's so funny, and

465
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Speaker 1: I do you know what's so weird is that I

466
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Speaker 1: always I only made that connection like a couple of

467
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Speaker 1: days ago. I was like, oh my god, Oh my god,

468
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Speaker 1: she's interviewing me, and that's the name of my So

469
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Speaker 1: it's like two pages into the book you introduce us.

470
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Speaker 2: To Lola, your alter ego, and I was like, and

471
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Speaker 2: you describe her as like a Harley Quinn style, She's

472
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Speaker 2: a psychopath, wild child.

473
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Speaker 1: I was like, I have to ask. So that came

474
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Speaker 1: from my mum was gonna call me? It was either

475
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Speaker 1: Lola Paris or casey Ah and yeah. And when I

476
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Speaker 1: felt like I needed to separate some of the things

477
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Speaker 1: that I did as a younger person from who I

478
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Speaker 1: am as a person, and so I don't know why,

479
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 1: but that name just kind of kept coming to me.

480
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Speaker 1: It felt she felt kind of sassy and naughty and fun,

481
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Speaker 1: and that's essentially who that alter ego is. She just

482
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Speaker 1: unfortunately takes things too far sometimes, which would always get

483
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Speaker 1: me into trouble.

484
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Speaker 3: And people listening.

485
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Speaker 2: If you read the book, you get here the funniest

486
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Speaker 2: stories like you lost your v plates listening to two

487
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Speaker 2: Pac yeap, keep your head up.

488
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Speaker 3: Yah too good?

489
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Honestly, what was I thinking when we

490
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Speaker 1: were talking beforehand and you were telling me about how

491
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Speaker 1: you lost yours to someone that you loved me? I

492
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Speaker 1: felt a little flicker of jealousy. I was like, I mean,

493
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Speaker 1: I love Tupac, but I definitely did love the guy

494
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Speaker 1: I thought I probably thought I did.

495
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Speaker 2: The two backstory is fantastic, and that's what I do

496
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: love is that you've got this like hilarious tone, but

497
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: you can touch on really heavy issues as well, Like

498
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Speaker 2: you talk a lot about mental health stuff and about anxiety.

499
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: There's sexual abuse stuff in there you really cover, and

500
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Speaker 2: you talk about like like the grief chapter like as

501
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: uncomfortable as it was to read, I could not read it.

502
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: So you've got a beautiful way of like articulating but

503
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: also like laughing yourself along the way.

504
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Speaker 3: So well done that.

505
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Speaker 2: I've got a few random things that I love from

506
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Speaker 2: the book. But first of all, I grew up and

507
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 2: this is how I figured out we were similar age

508
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: watching Gossip Girl and just thinking I want to be

509
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: Blake Lively, and then of course when she starts staying

510
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds, I'm like, well, I.

511
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Speaker 1: Better be Blake Lively because he's a cat. Oh my god,

512
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: the world's oldest man, right.

513
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Speaker 3: And there's so much fun to watch on Instagram?

514
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Speaker 1: Could she get any cooler?

515
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: There's literally a paragraph in your book where you're like,

516
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: why isn't my life like Blake lat Could you share

517
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: a little bit about one that but also like Blake Lively?

518
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Speaker 1: Okay, So one of the lists that I give you

519
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: is stupid shit to stop worrying about. That's what it's called. Yeah,

520
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: And one of them is why you didn't grow up

521
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Speaker 1: to be Blake Lively. And it doesn't like insert any name.

522
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Speaker 1: Insert any name here. It might be Kylie Jenner or

523
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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian or any Robbie, yes exactly, or somebody completely

524
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Speaker 1: unrelated to entertainment, somebody in sport, whatever, yeah, just your hero.

525
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: And I think we spend so much time kind of

526
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Speaker 1: comparing ourselves against these people that we see as our heroes,

527
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Speaker 1: and I think that that there's something really healthy about

528
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Speaker 1: that we can borrow things that we watch them do,

529
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Speaker 1: Like I talk a lot about modeling the Masters, for example,

530
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Speaker 1: what have they done so well that's made them so

531
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Speaker 1: successful in my field? But I think the problem with

532
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: that is that we forget that there's only one person

533
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Speaker 1: that gets to be Blake. And like, she's so hot,

534
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: that bitch honestly to be like hot and smart and

535
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: cool and married and Reynold's staff that style seriously, and

536
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: she seems so nice and she's like obviously she's physically beautiful,

537
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 1: but she just seems cool and lovely and generous and

538
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: generous of spirit, and I just I just don't have

539
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: enough good things to say about her and have never

540
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Speaker 1: met the girl in my entire life, but from the outset,

541
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Speaker 1: that's how it seems. But we forget that, like only

542
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: Blake gets to be Blake. Yeah, So like I need

543
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Speaker 1: to focus on being the best version of myself. And

544
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Speaker 1: I love that doctor Sus quote. I'll probably get it wrong,

545
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: but it's something like today, it's true there's no like,

546
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: there's no one in the live that is youer than

547
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: you or something, and it's so true. It's like the

548
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Speaker 1: second that I learned to accept that there is a

549
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: couple of different versions of me so and I was

550
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Speaker 1: trying to keep them separate. There was Casey Barrow, serious

551
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: health journalist, talks on the ABC works for Doctor Norman's one,

552
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: very serious about her career, talks about serious things, and

553
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: like the Casey Barrow's doing shots and the worm at

554
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Speaker 1: the pub on Saturday night and having a really really

555
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Speaker 1: good time. And this book is the culmination of those

556
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Speaker 1: two things coming together. And without sounding like over the

557
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Speaker 1: top about it, it has been so cathartic for me

558
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Speaker 1: to weave and blend those two pieces of myself together.

559
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Speaker 1: This is the first time in my career that I

560
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Speaker 1: can put this forward and say I'm a kick ask

561
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Speaker 1: health journalist, and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

562
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Speaker 1: I interview the right people, I understand the evidence, and

563
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Speaker 1: I'm communicating it to you because I know that it

564
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Speaker 1: has value. However, here are some of my personal stories

565
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Speaker 1: for context and to be able to do that for

566
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Speaker 1: young women in a way that feels like a bit

567
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Speaker 1: of a lighthouse on a lark dark and lonely night,

568
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: Like growing up is tough. It's really hard. I still

569
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Speaker 1: find it hard now and I'm thirty seven. Like we

570
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Speaker 1: all need something to hold our hand and let us

571
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Speaker 1: know that we are not alone and that everything is

572
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Speaker 1: going to be okay. And that's what I hope that.

573
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: This And you don't need to hope because I know

574
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: that it will, so don't even question that for a second.

575
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Speaker 2: I love the way you write about overthinking, worry, anxiety

576
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: that hamster will kind of like thoughts and you've got

577
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Speaker 2: and I wrote these down because I was like, oh

578
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: my god, so good. Eight vital steps to moving past something.

579
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Speaker 2: I love that cases opening her notes up as well

580
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Speaker 2: as says fuck it, bucket right, And it's just so

581
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: like about like overthinking, over worrying, because like I'll do

582
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Speaker 2: that thing when I meet someone, I'll be like, oh

583
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: my god, I just said the wrong thing. Oh my god,

584
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Speaker 2: I'll think about it like three days straight, like on

585
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Speaker 2: full blown repeating my boyfriend's like calm the fuck down.

586
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: And they would have never even thought that they would,

587
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: that thought would never even.

588
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: Gone into their mind. And you touch on to you

589
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Speaker 3: like most people are in their own story and in

590
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Speaker 3: their own.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So give us a little list on your you've

592
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Speaker 2: got it a good list there.

593
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: So this section is called or rather what it will

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Speaker 1: teach you is how to chuck it in the fucket

595
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: bucket and move on. So I think that kind of

596
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: hamster will and that rumination that you're talking about is

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00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: something that most of us do, but particularly people with

598
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Speaker 1: a propensity for anxiety or real worry whats if you will,

599
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: of which I am absolutely one, we tend to do

600
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: it more. And as you say, like you kind of

601
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: have no control over the outcome. You'll probably never know

602
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: whether that person thought anything of that stupid thing that

603
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: you said, or in fact, even if that's how you

604
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: said it.

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00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: Yes, like you said things subjective and exactly.

606
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: So I talk about eight vital steps that I believe

607
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: help you move on when you think you've done something silly.

608
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Speaker 1: So the first one is stop judging yourself so harshly,

609
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: which is that if you are a human being, you

610
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: are going to fuck things up frequently. Welcome to the club.

611
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: We're all here, literally every single person you have ever met,

612
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: So like, just stop being so tough on yourself about it.

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00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: Number two is separate what you've done from who you are.

614
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: They are not the same thing. Your behavior is not

615
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: who you are in your spirit, and so we have

616
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: to learn to separate those two things because they are

617
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: not one and the same. Then one of my favorites

618
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: is number three. So it's asking yourself whether the punishment

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Speaker 1: is worth the crime. So, if you did something stupid

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Speaker 1: five years ago and you're still beating yourself up for

621
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: it today, are we done yet? Like? How much longer

622
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: do you need to punish yourself for in order for

623
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Speaker 1: you to be able to move forward? Because I would

624
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: hazard I guess that most people would say that even

625
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: if they punish themselves forever in their head, that they

626
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: still wouldn't feel like they could move on. So like,

627
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: let's cut our losses and move forward. Number four is

628
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: find the positive. There is almost always a silver lining,

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Speaker 1: which is usually that you learned something. Maybe it's that

630
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: you learn to stop being a dickhead. That was what

631
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: I learned from lots of my mistakes, although they took

632
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: me a few times. But also I think they give

633
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: you incredible empathy for other people who've done stupid things,

634
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: and that in itself is a bit of a gift.

635
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: I always say that my friends arerows the one that

636
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: to me when they've done something really dumb, because I've

637
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: usually done something worse and they know that I will

638
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: never ever judge them. There is nothing that they could

639
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: come to me with that I would say, like, oh God,

640
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: like your cut from my life, because like, who am

641
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: I to judge their behavioryes I've done made plenty of

642
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: mistakes myself. We need to let ourselves and our people

643
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: off the hook for that totally. Number five is rewrite

644
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: the script. So I think we often forget that we

645
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to change how we feel about something

646
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: moving forward, even if we've run the hamster wheel, as

647
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: you say a million times, we actually get to choose

648
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: each and every day. So really thinking about the way

649
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: that we talk to ourselves about something, in particular a

650
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: mistake that we made, for example, I think that we

651
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: need to remember that we're allowed to change that. And

652
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: then it's about apologizing. So and I'm not talking necessarily

653
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: about picking up the phone and apologizing to someone. It

654
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: might just be apologizing to yourself. I am sorry that

655
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Speaker 1: I let you down three years ago when you did

656
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: that stupid thing. I was doing the best with what

657
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: I had at the time. Write them a letter and

658
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: burn it, like say it out loud, but not necessarily

659
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: to them. Don't get me wrong, Sometimes apologizing to someone

660
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: is the right thing to do. But sometimes you just

661
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: need to apologize to yourself and maybe to the universe.

662
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't always have to be like, sometimes secrets and

663
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: mistakes have the capacity to blow up people's lives in

664
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: a way that honestly, sometimes what we don't know is

665
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: like won't hurt us. So I think on an individual level,

666
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: we have to make that call. But I think even

667
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: just verbalizing it, writing it down or saying it out loud,

668
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: I think that that definitely definitely helps because it gets

669
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: like out of your head and your heart and just

670
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: out into the ether and then talk. You need to

671
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: talk to someone, And I think you know, Brene Brown's

672
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: work is famous for talking about vulnerability and shame and

673
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: I love everything that she does. But one of the

674
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: things that she says is be really careful about who

675
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: you choose to share with, Like, choose to share with

676
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: somebody who deserves to hear it. And that can be

677
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: somebody who is your best friend or somebody that you

678
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: know well and you trust them implicitly, but it can

679
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: also be a paid professionals like that would be my therapist.

680
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I do not have enough good things

681
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: to say about therapy. Like therapy saved my life and

682
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: continues to save my life. I've had therapy for like

683
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: fifteen years and we'll probably have it for the rest

684
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: of my life. So it doesn't have to be a

685
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: friend necessarily. You can keep those two things completely separate

686
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: if you want to. And then the last one, number

687
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: eight is break the habit. And that's not break the

688
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: habit of doing the stupid thing, though that's probably advisable

689
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: so that you don't feel like this moving forward, but

690
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: it's about breaking the habit of the memory. So one

691
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: of the things we know about secrets is that the

692
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: most damaging thing about them is not the actual act

693
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: of concealing the secret in the first place, but how

694
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: frequently you think about it. So when you're standing there

695
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: washing the dishes and that stupid thing pops up for

696
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: you again and again and again, it's like you're hiding something,

697
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: even if it's only from yourself, and that has the

698
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: capacity to really derail us in terms of our happiness.

699
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: So excepting when it pops up like yep, okay, there

700
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: it is again, and just like letting it go, because

701
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: you can't click your fingers and make those things stop totally.

702
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of like.

703
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: Writers like I think doctor Ross Harris writes about like, Hey,

704
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm having this thought. It's a bit like how you're saying.

705
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: That's not necessarily who you are, it's just a thought

706
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: that you're having. And he talks a lot about that

707
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: with mindfulness practice. I love, and I felt this is

708
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: like a continuation you talk about allocating designated worry time. Oh,

709
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about this until i'd read it in

710
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: your book.

711
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 1: I think it's such a great idea, and like, we

712
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: are gonna worry, we are gonna think about things, probably

713
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: more than we should. But if you give yourself this

714
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: little window to feel it, to.

715
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: Kind of obsess over it, if you need to like

716
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: let yourself do that, yes, and then be like and done.

717
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: That's that's that quota done totally.

718
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: Because I think anybody listening will know what it's like

719
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: to be at work and you can't, for the life

720
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: of you, focus on the thing that you're supposed to

721
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: be doing because you're worried about the fight that you

722
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: had with your partner, or what's going to happen when

723
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: your mum has her mammogram next week, or whatever it

724
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: might be. And so I think allocating it does gated

725
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: time to really like let yourself go full pelt worry

726
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: as much as you like, Like maybe it's at six

727
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: o'clock tonight on your walk, or I'm going to give

728
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: myself twenty minutes, or I'm going to set my timer

729
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: on the phone on my phone and sit here and

730
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: worry and worry and worry for the next six minutes

731
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. And I think every time I

732
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: do it, I often find that I don't actually need

733
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: the amount of time that I've set myself. I get

734
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: like halfway in and I'm like, okay, cool, I'm done

735
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: with that. But I think the most important thing about

736
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: worry is identifying whether or not any of it is

737
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: within your control. And I go through an exercise where

738
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: you write down your most pressing worries. You list is

739
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: a percentage, and it's just a guestimate, like you don't

740
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: kind of overegg it, but list is a percentage how

741
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: much of it is within your control. So, for example,

742
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: if one of my worries is getting older, the percentage

743
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: within my control is zero percent. I cannot stop the

744
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: TikTok of the clock. What I can control is taking

745
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: pretty good care of myself, making sure that I'm up

746
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: to date with my doctor's check ups, any tests and

747
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: scans that I need to have, making sure that I'm safe,

748
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: making sure that I'm healthy. Those are the things that

749
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: are within my controls. There's just no point about worrying

750
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: about things that are futile.

751
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say something that made me really love aging,

752
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: because I have a huge fear of aging, especially working

753
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: in media as a female. You do feel like there's

754
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: kind of like a ticking time bomb. And I was

755
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: listening to a podcast interview with George Clooney, like phenomenal

756
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: human being.

757
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: But I met him once, don't yeah, in a nightclub

758
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: in Italy, don't. I just remembered then when you said

759
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: tell me what, Oh no, I don't know if I'm

760
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: hard to say this. I say this with the greatest

761
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: love and respect to him because I think he's a

762
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: beautiful man. He was absolutely shit faced, like could barely

763
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: sit up.

764
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: Good on him, though, I know.

765
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean, looking back now, I'm like, oh, I just

766
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: remember all of the chicks like they were like Vulture,

767
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: have you seen that amazing film Promising Young Woman? Yeah,

768
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: Kerry Mulligan. It was kind of like reverse yeah, he

769
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: felt like pray. Yeah, he looked like pray. There was

770
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: no shortage of women there. And I say this again

771
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: with the greatest love and respect not only to him

772
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: but to all women. But there were a number of

773
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: women there that were ready and willing to take advantage

774
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 1: of him that night, and it actually made me really sad.

775
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll send you this podcast of him, and I'll

776
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: put in the show notes here because he's absolutely unreal.

777
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but he invited

778
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: his fourteen closest mates of dinner one night and he

779
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: was like, you know, you put me on a couch

780
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: when I had nowhere to stay, when I didn't get

781
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: because he's famously shot like thirty pilots and never got

782
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: picked up, like he made it a bit later in life,

783
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: and he was like, you guys have all been there

784
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: for me when no one else has. And everybody, the

785
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: fourteen people were normal's here, like two actors. The rest

786
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: were like moms, dads, teachers, whatever, like a different all

787
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: different walks of life that have just been nice to.

788
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: Him along the way. And he put in.

789
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: A suitcase one million dollars each cleared, so he paid

790
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 2: the tax on that million dollars and he goes, send

791
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: you kids to whatever school you want to pay off

792
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: your mortgage. This is my way of saying thank you

793
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: to him. My god, I love what a Legendorey. But

794
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: where I'm cut full circle where he talks about age.

795
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: He was doing podcasts reacently and they're like, oh, you

796
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: look great for your age, you know, you look phenomenal.

797
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: And he was like, well, it's not exactly how I

798
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: wanted to age, but the alternative is death, so I'll

799
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: take it. Yeah, And I thought, what a like, how

800
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 2: lucky are we to age?

801
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: What a privilege to age?

802
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: And it's just a nice way of yeah, flipping it

803
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: on us totally.

804
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: And I think everybody listening to this has lost somebody

805
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: that they love. And I think as soon as you

806
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: go through something like that, particularly somebody that you lose

807
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: before their time, whatever that means, I think anybody understands

808
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: what a privilege it is to turn another year older.

809
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, a million, trillion percent. I do want to touch

810
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 2: on eating disorder. You and I both have a history

811
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: of being disorders. As you were reading it, so you

812
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: were fifteen years old, pass out in the shower. I

813
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: think you like waiting at fifty three kilos. At my worst,

814
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: I was forty seven.

815
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: But you are much taller than me, so we're probably

816
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: a similar like equivalent of one another. And it's super unhealthy,

817
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's just crazy to think.

818
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: That it's so common.

819
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm prevalent and like, I know people listening to this like, yeah,

820
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 2: that was my teenagers too, so.

821
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: Yes, that was part of your past.

822
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: But you also talk about like coming out of it,

823
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: and they're like dieting were You're like, Okay, I'm going.

824
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: To start on Monday. I'm going to start on Monday.

825
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: And then you've got this amazing quote that I had

826
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 2: to write down and you're like, the fridge is full

827
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: of kale the elite so quickly that it won't wilt

828
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: like a bag of dicks.

829
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: Dude in the sun.

830
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 3: That is so good.

831
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you just share a because I can still

832
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: to this day, I'm a nutritionist, mate, and I can

833
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: still relate to all. Right, on Monday, I start, yes,

834
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: and like I've got all this, Like I think you say,

835
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: like the dump shore on a Monday, and you're like, yeah,

836
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: I got this, And it gets a Tuesday and you

837
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: kind of have that sneaky muffin. But you know you

838
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: only have half, so that's okay, right, talk to me

839
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: about it because I love the way you write about it, So.

840
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: Can you share it a little bit?

841
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, and look, I still fall into this trap.

842
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: So I'm not sitting here like I've conquered all of

843
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: the day making demons.

844
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: You're making me feel better because I was like, oh,

845
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: this is me, this is me.

846
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: No, I don't have it all together. But what I

847
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: did for many years was I did that like I

848
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: was strong. On Monday. You wake up, you work out,

849
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: you drink your lemon water. You're like, I fuck got this.

850
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

851
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: You sail into Monday night, you have your like whitefish

852
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: with your side of greens. You're like, I am literally

853
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: like Blake Lively. Yeah that's who I am. Yeah, it's

854
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: like I've already lost weight. I can see it in

855
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: the mirror. You wake up on Tuesday morning, You're like,

856
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm hungry as fuck, but I have still got this. Yeah.

857
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: And then as you say, you know, you get the

858
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: soup for lunch, and Steve behind the counter is like,

859
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: do you want a bread roll? And you're like, okay, Steve,

860
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Like it's just one red roll like whatever. Fast forward

861
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: that afternoon and you've like raided the cookie jar at work.

862
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: You've bought bloody a thing of cookies from some kid

863
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: that was selling them on the street. And then you're

864
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: driving home and you're like, could really do with the

865
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: glass red wine?

866
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

867
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: And you're past the bottle shop and you're like, no,

868
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: I am not drinking until the weekend. And then within

869
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: seconds you have like rival Daniel Ricardo and done a

870
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: perfect U turn and you're in the Charaz section and

871
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: you are like, get in my belly. You have antioxidants

872
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: hashtag healthy polyphenals. Yeah, exactly, and like I don't need

873
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: to tell you how the rest of that night goes,

874
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: or the rest of the week goes. You're like, it's

875
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: all out the window. And so the net result of

876
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: that is that you've spent maybe a day and a

877
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: half being good. And I understand the podcast is not

878
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: a visual medium, but I've got my hands in inverted

879
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 1: commas right now, like being good and then the rest

880
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: of the week being bad, and that doesn't feel good emotionally,

881
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: but it also doesn't give you the results that you want.

882
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: And so what I talk about is embracing every single meal,

883
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: and you are so across this and as a nutritionist,

884
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: as an opportunity to do right by yourself, and doing

885
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: right by yourself might be having the piece of cheesecake.

886
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about eating perfectly, no, And I think

887
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: it's a lifestyle of like balance as opposed to a

888
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: diet that's two weeks.

889
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: To look like lively.

890
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 2: Like, I think it's more of a it's about like feeling.

891
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: And I always say to people, how do you want

892
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: to feel? Forget the number on the scales, forget what

893
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: size you are, Like, it's all about how you feel total.

894
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: And I am someone that will always depending on if

895
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm traveling or moving, like for some reason, people that

896
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: can judge my weight and they're like, you're a nutritionist,

897
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: you look good, or oh you've put a bit on,

898
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: And like, I've got so used to looking people down

899
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: the barrel, like straight into their eyes and being like

900
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: I feel good and that's really all that should matter.

901
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: And the rest of this conversation can, yes, piss off

902
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: right now, Like I love that, Yeah, but.

903
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: I'm just so glad that you wrote a lot about.

904
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is about how you feel. And one

905
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: of the things that I say is like, you should

906
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: look at each area of your life, so for example,

907
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: your career, your home, your relationships, your body, and ask

908
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: yourself how you want to feel. So, for example, in

909
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: my body, I want to feel strong, I want to

910
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: feel flexible, and I want to feel aligned. They're the

911
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: three things that's and that can change any day, any week,

912
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: any month. Right now, that's how I want to feel.

913
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: So I'm doing a bit of pilates, I'm doing lots

914
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: of walking. I'm trying to sit up straight and like,

915
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: look after my posture. If you are constantly making decisions

916
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: with the emotional gps of how you want to feel,

917
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: you almost can't fuck it up. Yeah, it's such a

918
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: good way to come back to, right I think. So, Look,

919
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: it works for me because it allows me to go,

920
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: We'll eating that make me feel X and will moving

921
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: like that make me feel WHI? Will taking that job

922
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: make me feel expanded? Given that's how I know that

923
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: I want to feel. And if the answer is no,

924
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: then it's probably not the right choice. But like, I

925
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm conscious that particularly when talking about body image,

926
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: and I think particularly for women, it's all about being

927
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: light rather than being strong or being small rather than

928
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: being voluptuous, and like, my body is my body, and

929
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: do you know what, Like at thirty seven, I can

930
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: say I really love my body, like my body's given

931
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 1: me two beautiful babies. I like it more than ever,

932
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: And yet it probably is in the eyes of society

933
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 1: the least desirable that it has ever been. That Zaid

934
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: I reckon that no matter what age you are, and

935
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: no matter where you've come from in terms of your size,

936
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: or your weight, or your ethnicity or whatever. I reckon,

937
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: we all deserve to look and feel the way that

938
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: we want to look and feel one pc, no matter

939
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: how old you are. And I say that to my husband.

940
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: He said to me a number of times he's working

941
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: out like a demon at the moment. And I said

942
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: to him, like, have you ever felt exactly the way

943
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: that you want to feel? Have you ever looked in

944
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: the mirror? He was complaining to me about his body

945
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: one day, I said, have you ever looked in the

946
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: mirror and been like, shit, yeah, I look really good?

947
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: And he was like no, And I said, then you

948
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: deserve to feel like that, so do whatever it takes

949
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: to feel like that. And that doesn't mean that you

950
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: can't have a blowout and drink beer and eat chips

951
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: and that stuff. But everybody deserves to feel like that

952
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: once in their life. And I think most of us

953
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: will agree that you magically get there. You've probably been

954
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: the way that you want to be before. Was your

955
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: life infinitely better than it is right now? So interesting,

956
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: Like there's so much to learn, right, Yeah. I like

957
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: the idea as well, of like you get to choose

958
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: how you want to feel, and you get to you

959
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: deserve to feel good within yourself, and I think it's

960
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: really important that people know that you're feeling good. Like

961
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: I always say it because I've written a diet book,

962
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: so I always say to people. I'm always it's going

963
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: to be too fat for someone and too skinny for

964
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: someone else, So why not I just do whatever the

965
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: funk makes me feel good. And so that's kind of

966
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: been my ethos the whole way.

967
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 2: So what feels good for me today might feel different

968
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: to how I'm going to feel in six months time,

969
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: and therefore I might change something, But I'm okay with that,

970
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's where you've got to march the

971
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: b your own drum. It's not just with body image

972
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: and whatnot.

973
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: And how you physically want to feel. But it's also

974
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 3: like what lights you up? What makes like for me?

975
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: I love yoga, I love.

976
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: Plats plates, I love plats, you know, and so that

977
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: makes me feel good. So I'm going to do more

978
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: of it, you know, like as opposed to needing some

979
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: esthetic that is not where women It's meant to change

980
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: heat totally.

981
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: And I think it all comes back to the self

982
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: worth piece, like big time eat, the way that you

983
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: deserve to feel, the way that you deserve to feel.

984
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: Like I I honestly, after so many years of interviewing

985
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: experts and watching the patterns and the trends in the data,

986
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: I honestly believe that like our self worth is to

987
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: blame or our lack of self worth is to blame

988
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: for so so many of our problems. And I think

989
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: about it kind of like a square. It's like your

990
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: physical self worth, so not only how you feel when

991
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: you look in the mirror, but what you choose to

992
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: do with and to your body because of that, and

993
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: how you feel in your body, and then your emotional

994
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: self worth, so like understanding that we're supposed to coexist

995
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: with all of these different emotions and knowing that they're

996
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: just different tools for us to be able to operate

997
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: in the world, but that they deeply affect our behavior

998
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: and then our financial self worth. So are you getting

999
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: paid what you're worth? Are you demanding what your worth?

1000
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: Are you being what Scott Pape from The Barefoot Investor

1001
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: calls a postcode pavo and spending all of your money

1002
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: to live in a great suburb because you want to

1003
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: keep up with your friends, or are you saving and

1004
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: being clever and getting yourself into the house of your dreams?

1005
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: And then spiritual self worth, and that might be religion

1006
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: or spirituality, but it could also be like your connection

1007
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: to your community, or your connection to the environ, or

1008
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: to your sexuality. And if you think about those four

1009
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: things on a square, so physical, emotional, financial, spiritual, there's

1010
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: no way to interconnect them all the time without drawing

1011
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: through the middle. And so if you're going to overhaul

1012
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: any area of your self worth, I like to think

1013
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: about kind of focusing on one of them at a time,

1014
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm focusing on this corner this week. This week,

1015
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm focusing on my spirit, which might be my connection

1016
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: to community or whatever it is. But I think that

1017
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: we have to accept that self worth is something that

1018
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: you have to work on over your lifetime. You never

1019
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: get there. I don't know where there is, but I

1020
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: don't think it exists.

1021
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: I think it's ever changing. And I want to ask

1022
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: one more thing about self worth. I've already gone to time,

1023
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: but I might have to ask this, No, please do,

1024
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 2: I've loved this.

1025
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: I have to ask you about design and vagina.

1026
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: Design of vagina, Talk to me sorrow documentary, Yes, a

1027
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: sorry documentary on the AB see about laby plasty. So

1028
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: laby plasty for anybody listening who doesn't know it is

1029
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: where you effectively cut off the majority of your laby

1030
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: and manora, so the inside lips of your vagina. I

1031
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: saw this documentary and I was like, oh am, I

1032
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: supposed to consider that or look like that. And so

1033
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: I spent a couple of years, like I really did

1034
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: my due diligence. I went and met with a couple

1035
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: of different surgeons. I ended up going and seeing the

1036
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: surgeon that I saw in the documentary. But and this

1037
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: is probably not safe for work. So if anybody is

1038
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: listening without headphones, i'd probably advise stick him in years.

1039
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: Right now, you can essentially what they do is like

1040
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: they pull out your labia manora and then they like

1041
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: slice the excess off with a scalpool. Like it's pretty

1042
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: quick and easy, but obviously you're under under general anesthetic,

1043
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: incredibly painful to recover from. And one of the things

1044
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: that really kind of hit home for me, I mean,

1045
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: you have to remember that we're rewinding like fifteen years.

1046
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: So these days there's so much porn out there. And

1047
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm not advocating for porn as you know, a leading

1048
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: form of sexual education for young people. I think that's

1049
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: a borrent. But what it does do is show you

1050
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: that there is a whole range of genitals, both men's

1051
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: and women's, out there, that there are all different color,

1052
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: shaped sizes, and that everybody is completely different, and that

1053
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: none is better or worse than the other. But all

1054
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: I saw at that point in time, I didn't spend

1055
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: a lot of time staring at vaginas, but the vaginas

1056
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: that I saw were like these perfect kind of Barbie panels.

1057
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: I love that, you know, when you like lift up

1058
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: Barbie steps, there's nothing there. They were these perfect Barbie

1059
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: panels with no extra bits, and so I thought that's

1060
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: how I was supposed.

1061
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: To that would have been porn fifteen years ago.

1062
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: Like totally well, and not only that, but like magazines

1063
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: like Penhouse and Playboy, which showed bear vaginas, they had

1064
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: to underlaw airbrush that out because that was considered too graphic.

1065
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: So you could see the Barbie panel with you know,

1066
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: with or without pubic here, but you couldn't see any manora.

1067
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 3: That wasn't allowed.

1068
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: So even in those quite explicit magazines where women would

1069
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, have their legs spread, they would have to

1070
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: airbrush that out so everybody looked the same. And so

1071
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: I convinced myself that that was going to make me

1072
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: feel much more confident in the bedroom, that I would

1073
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: be much more desirable to men. And honestly, now it

1074
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: makes me shudder, like looking back as a mother of

1075
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: two little girls thinking about them ever feeling that they

1076
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: are anything other than perfect exactly as they are.

1077
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: But thank you so much for sharing that, because we

1078
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: know that it's like this is a plastic like it's

1079
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: a cosmetic surgery procedure that people are getting done to day.

1080
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: It's not like it's not uncommon. No, you know, you're

1081
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: the first person that's opened up to me about it.

1082
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: So I when I read it in the book and

1083
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: texted you quickly and said.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you comfy last night? You were like yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

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Speaker 3: So that's where I really.

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Speaker 2: Value you sharing that, And I think it comes back

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Speaker 2: perfectly to your message about self worth and like valuing

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Speaker 2: and having your own back and loving yourself for who

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Speaker 2: you are.

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Speaker 1: Is that.

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Speaker 2: Like coming to the end of this pod, is that

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Speaker 2: you're like if you said that there was in the Oges,

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Speaker 2: we've got this word for purpose Dama, like the Dhama

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Speaker 2: of this book. Would you say it is like, have

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Speaker 2: your own back, love who you are?

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Speaker 1: You know? Yeah. I think my calling is to help

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Speaker 1: women stop sabotaging themselves and to empower them to become

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Speaker 1: their own BFF and supercharge their self worth, for them

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Speaker 1: to understand that their self worth is not correlated with

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Speaker 1: the size of their pants or how many followers they

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Speaker 1: have on Instagram, or how many pairs of expensive shoes

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Speaker 1: they own, or how much money they have in the bank.

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Speaker 1: None of that has anything to do with how weorthy

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Speaker 1: you are as a human being. And that's what I

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Speaker 1: hope this book does well.

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Speaker 2: Supercharge your self worth. I think that's your next book title, mate.

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Speaker 3: This book is a dream.

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Speaker 2: By the time we release this podcast, it will officially

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Speaker 2: be out, so I'm going to have in the show

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Speaker 2: notes I'm going to put links to buy the book

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Speaker 2: as well. Casey, you are a total dream. I feel

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Speaker 2: so lucky I got to meet you on this pod,

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Speaker 2: and please keep me posted because you are. It is

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Speaker 2: one of those books you read and you're like, I

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Speaker 2: want Casey to be my best friend, so please stay

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Speaker 2: in touch with me because I now would like you

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Speaker 2: to be my friend.

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Speaker 1: Please. Oh my, that would make me so happy. Consider

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Speaker 1: it done, big love.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 2: on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo lollaberry.

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Speaker 2: This potty my word for podcast is available on all

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Speaker 2: streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, rate

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Speaker 2: and comment, and of course spread the love.