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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is Brent Potter,

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Speaker 1: who is indeed the member for Fanny Bay and a

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Speaker 1: member of the Labor Caucus.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to your.

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Speaker 3: Brents Morning Katie Morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: Brent, firstly, what.

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Speaker 1: Is your take on that situation with the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: being sort of followed around on the Westmax Monster.

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Speaker 4: Oh, this is unacceptable. It is at personal time and

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Speaker 4: I know one of your listeners said, you know what

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Speaker 4: you want to play politics, Well, there has to be boundaries.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: People have to have time to switch off. If you

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Speaker 4: run a business, you turn your phone off at a

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Speaker 4: certain time. She needs to have those times to get

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Speaker 4: away from work to clear a mind for own mental health.

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Speaker 4: But I think the question really is whether they actually

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Speaker 4: running or they just setting up along the track, Like

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Speaker 4: you know, she's got to be able to go and

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Speaker 4: do those things and not be hequin. There is a

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Speaker 4: way to protest these issues, but we've committed to doing

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Speaker 4: the hrefile, We've done that, We're committed to the industry.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, the decision has been maybe being very clear

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Speaker 4: on that and it's a growth path for the territory economy.

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Speaker 4: So I think they just need to accept that and

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Speaker 4: give people some space.

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Speaker 1: Brent, let's talk about these plans for an r V

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Speaker 1: park at Bundilla Beach. They've garnered a mixed response, I

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Speaker 1: think in recent weeks. A few weeks ago, the Lord

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Speaker 1: me launched what he'd said was the consultation and said,

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Speaker 1: if supported, that that trial would run throughout the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three peak visitor period and see around twenty r

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Speaker 1: vs pull up stumps at Bundilla Beach. He reckons the

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Speaker 1: proposed trial was one way that the City of Darwin

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Speaker 1: was exploring ideas to develop the local economy as well

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Speaker 1: as support tourism growth and position Darwin as an attractive

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Speaker 1: tourism destination. Brent, what are your concerns around this proposal?

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Speaker 4: Poor planning, that's the single concern, Katie. As I've committed

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Speaker 4: to in the by election, three million dollars and million

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Speaker 4: dollars will be delivered to council where a contract. Basically,

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Speaker 4: Council's got the contract to deliver the works that we

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Speaker 4: agreed upon. We've agreed to some additional items they've asked

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Speaker 4: for around toilets and barbecue shelters and the like, and

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Speaker 4: as you saw in the budget, there'll be the three

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Speaker 4: mint with the two million dollars, So what.

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Speaker 2: Exactly is that going to be spent on that three million?

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Speaker 4: So you're going to get upgraded lighting, You're going to

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Speaker 4: get some concrete powered sites for food vans. You're going

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Speaker 4: to get basketball half court. You're going to see toilets

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Speaker 4: now some shades or some gazebe equivalents for part and

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Speaker 4: lighting and irrigation. So that's what I committed to, and

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Speaker 4: that's directly out of the twenty sixteen consultation report the

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Speaker 4: council did. That was one hundred and one pages of

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Speaker 4: what would you like to see happen at Vesti's or

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Speaker 4: Bundella It was Vestis then but now Bundilla and it

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Speaker 4: was evan In. Over fifty percent of people didn't want

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Speaker 4: to see commercial development down there, so lifestyle amenity. And

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Speaker 4: that's why I committed to those items.

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Speaker 1: God you do both, I mean by the sounds of it,

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Speaker 1: like if you because it's a pretty big space. So

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Speaker 1: could you have that half court and also have those

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Speaker 4: Vs absolutely could. But you know what you got to

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Speaker 4: do first, Katie. You got to do the planning. You

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Speaker 4: got to do the consultation of the planning. And one

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Speaker 4: of the pieces that council last was two hundred thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars or thereabouts do a master plan for all of

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Speaker 4: Vesti's now, they know that was coming. I met them

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Speaker 4: on the friday. I met my old woman on the Friday.

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Speaker 4: Not a single word was said about the proposal coming

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Speaker 4: on the Monday. And then the day before ANZAC Day,

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Speaker 4: And as a veteran, you know, the day leading up

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Speaker 4: email from council, and I can email at four p

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Speaker 4: thirty saying you're an important stakeholder and we're going to

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Speaker 4: public consultation. So all I got was an email. They

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Speaker 4: know there's a master plan, Let's do that first. Let's

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Speaker 4: master plan the whole area. Let's get all the community

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Speaker 4: in the plan and then do it. But to rush

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Speaker 2: So do you reckon You've been rail righted.

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Speaker 4: I reckon, there's an unsolicited proposal. To be my gut

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Speaker 4: was never on the cards when the daal And Bowls

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Speaker 4: Club put it forward and Daln Bowls Club are the

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Speaker 4: put it forward many times. It's been knocked back by

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Speaker 4: counsel and yes, residents haven't wanted it. However, meeting them

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Speaker 4: on the Friday then getting it dropped on the Monday, like,

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Speaker 4: I just don't understand they can be disconnect between the

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Speaker 4: Oldermans and the department And the only thing I can

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Speaker 4: think of, because we were doing a master plan and

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Speaker 4: they knew the money was coming, is they've had an

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Speaker 3: Hence why they've gone out to market or the path.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll sign out. We've got the mayor on

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Speaker 2: and about a minute.

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Speaker 3: They should probably if they have great, If not, then

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Speaker 3: where's it come from?

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Speaker 1: Now? Tell me how I know that you launched a petition.

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Speaker 1: How many people have signed it now?

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Speaker 4: Just over two hundred it is about two hundred and two.

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Speaker 4: We've just got the last of the where finalized and

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Speaker 4: last of the sheets we've collected. I'll write that up

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Speaker 4: so they can see it. I think they've had I

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Speaker 4: think you may have said about six hundred people responding,

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Speaker 4: so one third of that I've got in physical signatures

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Speaker 3: The development down there.

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Speaker 4: But let me make a really clear listeners, Katie, I'm

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Speaker 4: not opposed to this kind of development. What I am

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Speaker 4: opposed to is the poor planning. And I think if

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Speaker 4: we're really looking for a successful solution, we should be

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Speaker 4: gone to the day on Balls club that has three

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Speaker 4: phase power sewerage fencing gives them a former revenue. It's

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Speaker 4: at vesties, but it's not on the water line, and

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Speaker 4: it allows everyone to keep their community amenity but still

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Speaker 4: meet the outcome we need.

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Speaker 1: What do you think though of its sort of activating

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Speaker 4: Well, you know exactly the reason why I've alex Or

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Speaker 4: committed to three million dollars. We've allocated that in the

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Speaker 4: We also know that when you enforce your bylaws, we

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Speaker 4: see that behavior being moved and East Point is a

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Speaker 4: great example of that. People were down there on the

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Speaker 4: for it. Now, any social behavior, you know, vest is

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Speaker 4: underutilized or Bundella is underutilized and we need to reactivate

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Speaker 4: that space. That's why there's three million dollars coming this

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Speaker 4: budget to do all of that, and we're basically almost

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Speaker 1: So in terms of you know what the council's proposed

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Speaker 4: To happen, I think we postpone it. We do the

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Speaker 4: master plan like you would do if you're going to

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Speaker 4: do a renovation to your house. You get the planned first,

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Speaker 4: and then you go and do the works. Let's do

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Speaker 4: the master plan, Let's go to public consultation, Let's lay

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Speaker 4: out where you would put the infrastructure, corridors and the like.

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Speaker 4: Let's deliver on the first set of works that I've

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Speaker 4: it can sit. I mean where they've proposed was where

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Speaker 4: I heard the dog park was going to go. That

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Speaker 4: dog park is five years overdue. Now I don't necessarily

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Speaker 4: was a commitment from counsel, and you know, let's let's

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Speaker 4: deliver all those commitments we've delivered. We've committed to first

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Speaker 1: Brent, is this about you making sure that you save

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Speaker 4: You do as you say and you say to do. Cadie,

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Speaker 4: I made a commitment. I'm going to deliver on it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's anything saving face. I've still got plenty

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Speaker 4: I actually think we just need to get out there

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Speaker 4: and it fails, it won't happen again. And we've seen

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Speaker 4: that before. With some of their bike extensions we have

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Speaker 4: So let's just plan it out first, proper planning, and

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Speaker 2: Brent, let's stop vaping.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this year, the Northern Territory government launched an inquiry

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Speaker 1: into vaping after a spike of kids using the devices

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Speaker 1: in schools, but following the banning of vapes and associated

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Speaker 1: inquiry too little, too late by the Northern Territory government.

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Speaker 3: I think it was at the time it needed to happen.

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Speaker 4: I just don't think we quite understood how hard the

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Speaker 3: And the reality of it is the changes that he

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Speaker 4: Katie basically covered off on all the terms of reference

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Speaker 4: have been a waste of taxpayers resources for us to

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Speaker 4: go and continue down a path that we already know

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Speaker 4: the outcome because of the federal changes.

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Speaker 1: So were any taxpayers dollars spent on the Northern Territory?

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Speaker 4: Every committee you have, you know you're paying for hours

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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, we didn't do

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Speaker 4: we've written the port So I think it was better

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Speaker 4: to close it early, put the recommendations in through an

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Speaker 4: everyone can go and have a look at, and then

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Speaker 4: get the departments to draft legislation and changes in line

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Speaker 1: Any waste of taxpayers dollars from your perspective, no.

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Speaker 3: I think we needed to go through it.

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Speaker 4: But I just want to make sure is that we

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Speaker 4: Ultimately, it's going to mean that, you know, if you're

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Speaker 4: there will be people that will be unhappy with the changes.

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Speaker 4: There's absolutely no doubt about it. They're going to treat

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Speaker 4: create some troubles for those that want flavored vaporizers. But

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Speaker 4: the TGA will bring in some standards there around packaging,

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Speaker 4: There is no timeline, So there is no timeline for

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Speaker 2: How is it going to be enforced?

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Speaker 4: So it'll be the same that it is now for cigarettes,

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Speaker 3: So you can need to be eighteen, you.

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Speaker 4: lot like so they'll have to get a license as well,

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Speaker 2: Out, Brent.

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Speaker 1: A few messages coming through will have to power through

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Speaker 1: pretty quickly. But someone saying, can you please ask Brent

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Speaker 4: Yep So, I'm chair of the LCAST, the Legal and

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Speaker 2: I could go down that path, like we could.

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Speaker 4: Have a standing committee o the two pieces in his motion,

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Speaker 4: What I would say is that standing committees are well

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Speaker 4: So for Legal and Constitutional lot, we've got an expert

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Speaker 4: And that's why he's come to the Legal and Constitutional

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Speaker 4: I mean, at the end of the day, every piece

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Speaker 1: Well, Brent Potter, the Member for Fanny Bay, we better

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Speaker 1: leave it. They're good to catch up with you. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for your time today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks