WEBVTT - EXCLUSIVE ANSWERS FROM 'THE CHIEF' OF 'HUNTED!'

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last week.

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<v Speaker 2>They might welcome back to TV Reload.

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<v Speaker 1>My name's Benjamin Norris and on this podcast I go

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<v Speaker 2>Today.

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<v Speaker 1>On the podcast, I have Dr David Craig, who is

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<v Speaker 1>the chief currently leading the hunt on Channel ten's hit

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<v Speaker 1>new series Hunted, the groundbreaking news series from Endemolshin in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask the question, if you had to disappear without a trace,

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<v Speaker 1>with a team of elite investigators in pursuit of you,

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<v Speaker 1>could you evade being captured? Well, While that question will

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<v Speaker 1>get answered this week in the series finale, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to deep dive into series one and get the answers

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<v Speaker 1>from retired afp Dr David Craig, who has been at

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<v Speaker 1>the front of the hunt of those eighteen fugitives with

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<v Speaker 1>limited funds and resources. The fugitives attempted to evade and

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<v Speaker 1>remain undetected for twenty one days. The show is an

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<v Speaker 1>elaborate concept that has had Australian audiences questioning how true.

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<v Speaker 2>To life this show really is.

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<v Speaker 1>So while I had the opportunity to unpack the behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes with a person in the top job, I

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<v Speaker 1>jumped at it and I have all the answers you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have been thumbing for weeks. We will find out

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<v Speaker 1>why a former detective superintendent at the Australian Federal Police

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<v Speaker 1>would say yes to being on a reality show, why

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<v Speaker 1>the Hunters never changed their clothes, was there a camera

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<v Speaker 1>crew making the fugitives too easy a target? And who

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<v Speaker 1>is set to play Dr David Craig in a book based.

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<v Speaker 2>On his life.

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<v Speaker 1>However, let's get started with today's guest. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>wellcome Hunted's Chief in charge to TV reload.

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<v Speaker 3>These simulated operations are very very hard to put together.

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<v Speaker 3>We have eighteen fugitives in two vehicles headed towards the

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<v Speaker 3>Melbourne area. They've weaved that competitive spirit with the Aussie

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<v Speaker 3>sense of humor. I will be incredibly surprised that anyone

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<v Speaker 3>gets that finish line, How can you go and run

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<v Speaker 3>with a camera crew following you? Fujas can run anywhere

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<v Speaker 3>in Victoria. It's as real as it can be without

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<v Speaker 3>being with We will hunt you, we will find you,

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<v Speaker 3>and we will catch you. There's no acting, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>the real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, doctor David Craig, how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good, Thank you, thanks for talking to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, congratulations on the international success of Hunted. How the

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<v Speaker 1>hell did you get involved in this show?

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<v Speaker 3>Reluctantly would have to be the word that comes to mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I Yeah, they and a Maulshine approached me initially, and

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't that inclined to be involved. Was so new,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm not a television person. I don't have any

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<v Speaker 3>of those skills. So anyway, after some time and I

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<v Speaker 3>did some research and looked in to the legitimacy of

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<v Speaker 3>the way the investigations are conducted and refereed, and that

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<v Speaker 3>it's a fair income competition. Then I decided, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to play that. I'm pretty competitive person by nature.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, getting to know you the way we have since

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<v Speaker 1>the show debuted, I imagine you're the sort of person

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to ask a few questions when to producer

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<v Speaker 1>calls and ask you to be a part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a show like this.

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<v Speaker 1>What were those first few questions when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>processing the idea of taking on this job.

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<v Speaker 3>The questions I had to ask were because I hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>heard of the show before. I needed some time to

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<v Speaker 3>research it. So and research I did. I watched every

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<v Speaker 3>single episode of every single international series before I went

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<v Speaker 3>and spoke to them anymore. I needed to be satisfied

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<v Speaker 3>because my reputation is under line and I'm not a

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<v Speaker 3>reality TV person. I'm not even a TV person, and

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<v Speaker 3>if I was going to be involved, I needed to

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<v Speaker 3>be involved as myself. I said, well, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>happy to have a crack at it and I'll belie myself.

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<v Speaker 3>And so far it's working and it's not good enough.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure they'll let me know.

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<v Speaker 1>In the role of chief with a background in Australian

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement, with considerable amount of experience as a detective

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<v Speaker 1>superintendent of Australian Federal Police, did you think such a

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<v Speaker 1>big concept would be hard to pull off?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely? Absolutely, I needed. That's why I needed to do

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<v Speaker 3>so much research. Benjamin was I've done a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>international training in Asia and the US and Europe, and

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<v Speaker 3>these simulated operations are very very hard to put together.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have to say the way the crew at

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<v Speaker 3>Huntred have put that together, it's the most realistic experience

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<v Speaker 3>that can be created. That's not actually a real experience,

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<v Speaker 3>if you know what I mean. It's as real as

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<v Speaker 3>it can be without being real.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you've been on some very high profile cases over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, Bali bombings, capturing Southeast Asia's most wanted criminals.

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<v Speaker 2>Very high profile jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Did this opportunity feel like a rare opportunity to have

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<v Speaker 1>some fun with what you're highly trained with? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>is that how you saw this opportunity?

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly how I saw the opportunity. It was a competition,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of fun, a chance to use as many

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<v Speaker 3>all my skills and the skills of this amazing group

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<v Speaker 3>of hunters that I have around me. I don't do

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<v Speaker 3>anything by myself. I'm the chief, but I have an

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<v Speaker 3>amazing team working with me. The same in the AV

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't track down as hurry by myself. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>literally hundreds of police working intelligence and developing leeds to

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<v Speaker 3>track that person down. So yeah, it's a fantastic opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>to use those skills in a competition against some fair

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<v Speaker 3>going Aussies that are having a good crack at trying

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<v Speaker 3>to win one hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you do for one hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the show has really resonated because we're

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<v Speaker 1>so thirsty for something new on television. Did you think

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<v Speaker 1>we need to see more concepts out of the box

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to getting audiences involved wanting to watch television.

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<v Speaker 3>In my completely unqualified opinion, yes, what's good about this

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<v Speaker 3>is there's there is no host. There's no introduction, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no challenges. It's not a beauty competition, it's not a

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm not sort of being disparaging about any

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<v Speaker 3>other television show, but I could only ever be involved

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<v Speaker 3>with something that is just real and unfolds itself in

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<v Speaker 3>real life. So yeah, I think it's freshing that there's

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<v Speaker 3>no host. It's just go from the time I launched

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<v Speaker 3>the helicopter to the time of the end of the series,

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<v Speaker 3>then it's just go, go go. It's like an action

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<v Speaker 3>film if you like.

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<v Speaker 1>If they ring you now and ask you to be

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<v Speaker 1>on I'm a celebrity, to get me out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming that's a no.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a definite no. That's a definite note. But if

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<v Speaker 3>they asked me to do a celebrity hundred and track

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<v Speaker 3>down Aunt Middleton from Sas Australia, I am all over

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<v Speaker 3>that guy. For no apparent reason. I've never met the guy,

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<v Speaker 3>but just I know he was just so qualified and

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<v Speaker 3>such a experienced Special Forces operative. He would be a

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<v Speaker 3>real person to go up hard against. You could lean

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<v Speaker 3>nothing on the table with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's been celebrity versions of Hunted in other territories

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<v Speaker 1>around the world. Is there an Australian celebrity who you'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to hunt down Daniel McPherson.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to hunt him down. His face a

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<v Speaker 3>charming like. I'd just like to find him to have

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<v Speaker 3>a chat.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, you weren't somebody who I thought would want to

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<v Speaker 1>track down Daniel McPherson. But I've heard a rumor. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there a possibility that he could play you in a

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<v Speaker 1>movie based on you know, a book?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true. Actually, Daniel is He's in the role

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<v Speaker 3>of producer with some other high level producers in a

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<v Speaker 3>group in Sydney that are developing it for a film

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<v Speaker 3>and it looks like Daniel will play me when the

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<v Speaker 3>film gets off the ground, which is a real honor

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<v Speaker 3>for me. I've followed Daniel's career for many years. He's

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<v Speaker 3>just one of Australia's most talented actors and it would

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<v Speaker 3>be a real honor to see him on the screen

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<v Speaker 3>playing me.

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<v Speaker 1>How important is it for you to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>Defeating Terror gets made accurately to the real life events

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<v Speaker 1>that actually took place. Is there a license when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to art imitating life?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if this is going to ask you

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<v Speaker 3>a question or a lot, but in a very strange way,

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<v Speaker 3>when the second Barley bombing happened in two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a film crew of Australians making a documentary

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<v Speaker 3>or a sorry dramatization of the Bali one bombing in

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<v Speaker 3>Barli when it happened. So there was a film crew

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<v Speaker 3>filming for the Bali one bombing when the Bali two

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<v Speaker 3>bombing happened, and I had agents going in to stay

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<v Speaker 3>exactly where they were filming at the Cartika Plaza in Bali.

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<v Speaker 3>So the actors of that series got to see the

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<v Speaker 3>real life of what they were acting, and one of

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<v Speaker 3>those actors was Richard Roxborough, who's again an amazing, amazing actor,

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<v Speaker 3>and I got to I by chance, just met him

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<v Speaker 3>about a year ago and I mentioned to him, I said,

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<v Speaker 3>you were in Bali in two thousand and five when

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<v Speaker 3>the second Barley bombing happened. He said yeah, and we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about it and he said he was playing a

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<v Speaker 3>character called David Ryts. And I said, well, I said,

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<v Speaker 3>David Royds there to Indonesia. He was our forensics guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I send him there and he met David Royds when

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<v Speaker 3>he was meant to be playing David Royds. It was

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<v Speaker 3>just so peculiar that it was like art imitating life

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<v Speaker 3>imitating art. It was very surreal. So yeah, they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>end up finishing the film, but hopefully The Defeating Terror

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<v Speaker 3>with Daniel McPherson and the producing group, we'll get it

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<v Speaker 3>off the ground and get it into production.

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<v Speaker 1>How surreal I mean to kind of be turned into

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<v Speaker 1>kind of your own James Bond esque series. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of not something you probably planned when you started out

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<v Speaker 1>in this career.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all. No know. I'm a trade at heart,

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<v Speaker 3>did a trade in the coal mines, and I did

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<v Speaker 3>not see my career going down to particularly now in

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<v Speaker 3>front of cameras is just completely bizarre for me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not very comfortable. I'm happy talking about investigations. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>talk about that all day, but put a script or

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<v Speaker 3>something in front of me, I can't do it. And

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<v Speaker 3>that was one of the caveats that with Hearted. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I could only ever be you know, don't try and

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<v Speaker 3>make me recite anything, and they said, there's no acting,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just the real thing, and that suits me to

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<v Speaker 3>the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm already looking forward to series two, and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why is I think that people are taking notes and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the next time is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>more intense.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I onto something here?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, anyone, if there is a season two, definitely the

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<v Speaker 3>fugitives will be have a lot more ammunition, They'll have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more tools at their disposal. But let me

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<v Speaker 3>tell you, we need to pick our game up as hunters.

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<v Speaker 3>Every single hunter that we've got in HQ and our

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<v Speaker 3>very accomplished ground hunters, they know my expectation and they

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<v Speaker 3>know it's not high enough, and it won't be high

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<v Speaker 3>enough until we have every fugitive in the bag.

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<v Speaker 1>In Hunted and in life. You know, what's the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>mistake people can make when it comes.

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<v Speaker 3>To hiding generally, you know, reaching out to family, that's

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<v Speaker 3>usually or falling back. People build a habit, You become

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<v Speaker 3>habituated in your life. It's a comfortable routine that you

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<v Speaker 3>end up in. When you're pushed out of your comfort zone,

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<v Speaker 3>you look for your familiar things and it's very hard

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<v Speaker 3>to disabduate. That's very big word. Disobituate yourself. Basically, break

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<v Speaker 3>that habit and get a different rhythm to your life.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very hard to maintain that under periods of stress.

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<v Speaker 1>Without giving anything away. Throughout the series, who were you

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<v Speaker 1>the most impressed with?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know that they have all had their strong elements.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris and Panite were very good. Nick and Levinya roughing

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<v Speaker 3>it out there for so long. That was very impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>Brittany and Karen when they were on the rundown in

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<v Speaker 3>one Thagie, so they were just cruising along having a

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<v Speaker 3>nice holiday, and we were overthinking tactics and operations in

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<v Speaker 3>the area where we should have probably modified our sites

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit. Not speaking badly of them at all,

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<v Speaker 3>they played their game and they almost beat us completely

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<v Speaker 3>with it well.

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<v Speaker 1>On last night's episode, we've really got a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>that if you start to wig out or deviate from

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<v Speaker 1>your plan, that's when you kind of become the most vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that true to real life as well when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to people who are.

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<v Speaker 2>On the run.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely. For example, when Nick and Lavinia were having

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<v Speaker 3>their famous cheese board and our ground hunters went into

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<v Speaker 3>making quarries just a couple of kilometers away, and we

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<v Speaker 3>cut them off from all that infrastructure that they had

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<v Speaker 3>to support, and suddenly all they had was themselves, a

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<v Speaker 3>few dollars and someone else's car that wasn't even full

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<v Speaker 3>of fuel. That really increases pressure on fugitives and that's

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<v Speaker 3>why they ended up at the corner where they were.

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<v Speaker 1>International versions, which you've watched, you know before you signed

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<v Speaker 1>up for this, you know there's been different incarnations of

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<v Speaker 1>the series. What do you think the biggest difference is

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<v Speaker 1>with our Australian version. Have we brought something different to

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<v Speaker 1>the format? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so, And it's really good And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how they did this through production, but there is

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<v Speaker 3>the good Australian humor threaded through it. That this is

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<v Speaker 3>a fair income hardcore game we are playing. There is

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<v Speaker 3>nothing left off the table. So there's no falsity, There

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<v Speaker 3>is no one just having a go for the sake

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<v Speaker 3>of television. Everyone wants to win. But when the whistle blows,

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<v Speaker 3>we're all friends again, and they've weaved that competitive spirit

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<v Speaker 3>with the sense of humor that slips through. You may

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<v Speaker 3>have seen Ben Owen, you know, a British guy from

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<v Speaker 3>British Intelligence, saying, you know, we've got to get fair

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<v Speaker 3>income on a mate. You know, how good is that

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<v Speaker 3>we've got. We've just converted one pomme to Ossie Slaying.

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<v Speaker 2>He's good on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>He is actually one of those very annoying people that

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<v Speaker 3>is just a nice guy and very good at everything

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<v Speaker 3>they do. I would like to start some rumors about him.

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<v Speaker 3>I just can't don't think i'll get any tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>People have been commenting that you guys, the Hunters people

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<v Speaker 1>who are in the HQ, you're all wearing the same

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<v Speaker 1>clothes every day, which I think is weird because no

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<v Speaker 1>one ever seemed to say that about Fox Molder on

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<v Speaker 1>the X Files.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's right, yeah, and I remember watching Fox. I

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<v Speaker 3>never thought about that either.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, well, we're we're not really focused on were certainly

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<v Speaker 3>personal hygien is obviously important, but we're more focused on

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<v Speaker 3>catching fugitives. You know, it's about fugitive. It's not fashion.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I say. I wear a suit every time.

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<v Speaker 3>This is my uniform. This is what I wear where

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<v Speaker 3>I was a detective superintendent. This is what I'm wearing now.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would I want to muck around and thought into

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<v Speaker 3>a tie or we don't have room for pretty boys

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<v Speaker 3>and girls. We just have the only time we've got

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<v Speaker 3>any mental capacity needs to be devoted completely to catching

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<v Speaker 3>these fugitives.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>People love to pick apart shows, though they love to

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<v Speaker 1>sit at home and make their comments. What's the most

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<v Speaker 1>common question that you get from people who recognize you

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<v Speaker 1>from the show? When people come up and say, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, it's you from The Hunted. You know, but

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<v Speaker 1>do they have these common questions for you?

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<v Speaker 3>It's never happened to me yet. No, I haven't been

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<v Speaker 3>noticed in public and look like carry a sign around

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<v Speaker 3>saying look at me. You know, I'm trying to be

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<v Speaker 3>a celebrity. Seriously, I've never been approached in public yet,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm sorry I can't answer. I can't answer that question.

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<v Speaker 1>Do your friends and family ask you a common question, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the most common question you're getting from people that

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<v Speaker 1>are a part of your community.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, a lot of people ask how can it happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably the biggest question, Vinjamin that I think, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is I think with everybody who watches as a show,

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<v Speaker 3>the first reaction is, and I had it to how

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<v Speaker 3>can you go and run with a camera crew following you?

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<v Speaker 3>Very legitimate question. I mean, you can't, is the answer.

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<v Speaker 3>But what the way it's done in production is that

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<v Speaker 3>it's not two fugitives on the run, it's actually three

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<v Speaker 3>and one's carrying a camera. That's that simple. Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how they do things in the field. I

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<v Speaker 3>know the Covit cameramen and camera and women that were

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<v Speaker 3>with the fugitives. They were living at tough they were eating,

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<v Speaker 3>sleeping with the fugitives. They were fugitives, and they weren't

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<v Speaker 3>there to as camera people, as they were more there

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<v Speaker 3>as to record the fugitives. And they were fugitives themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was like groups of three fugitives as opposed

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<v Speaker 3>to groups of two. They hid, they walk over clothing,

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<v Speaker 3>they did everything they could because believe me, no one

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<v Speaker 3>was on our side.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've evolved so much. When it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>producing television, we think of, oh god, this looks amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>There must be five or ten people making this show.

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<v Speaker 1>There must be a whole camera crew. But we've evolved

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<v Speaker 1>so much that really you've just got this one extra person,

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<v Speaker 1>which answers a huge question. It puts a big piece

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<v Speaker 1>of the puzzle together for a lot of people to

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<v Speaker 1>have been watching the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it is amazing. And I heard mart Benson

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<v Speaker 3>say publicly that it's at one stage they had over

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<v Speaker 3>ninety cameras recording simultaneously, so I mean they have got

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<v Speaker 3>cameras everywhere to replicate things, to give us access. Because

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<v Speaker 3>something else people say is it seems very coincidental that

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<v Speaker 3>the hunters are always onto the fugitives. But it would

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<v Speaker 3>be very boring TV if they kept showing every time

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<v Speaker 3>we missed the fugitives. Because sometimes we are well off chart,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're well off piece. We chase down every lead,

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<v Speaker 3>but a lot of the time when no were even

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<v Speaker 3>near the fugitives. So that would be some boring television

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<v Speaker 3>if they showed all our false leads that we are

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<v Speaker 3>coming up with a.

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<v Speaker 1>Really good question for you. Is the big debate that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been reading online. Do you think that this show

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<v Speaker 1>gives criminals ideas or do you think it frightens criminals

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<v Speaker 1>from maybe committing crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>I think if a criminal is watching hundred and they're

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<v Speaker 3>learning from that, then really they're not a very good criminal. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I would hope if it was someone that was considering

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<v Speaker 3>a major crime, then this gives a glimpse of a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of what Australian intelligence and law enforcement can

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<v Speaker 3>throw you away if you want to harm people in

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<v Speaker 3>the Australian community. So it's a little glimpse absolutely, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's not by any means the whole gambit.

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<v Speaker 1>What is something from behind the scenes that we're as

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<v Speaker 1>an audience didn't see that we won't see that you

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<v Speaker 1>can tell us as a bit of a behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes secret from Hunted.

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<v Speaker 3>It Probably they probably won't. It probably won't make it

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<v Speaker 3>through to the final But one time Ben a On

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<v Speaker 3>who the lovely British chap that we were just talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>He's fairly shortened stature, high in intelligence. Obviously, he left

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<v Speaker 3>the set one time and I put three cushions on

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<v Speaker 3>his chair for when he came back so he could

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<v Speaker 3>reach the monitor. All right, and I never confessed to

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<v Speaker 3>him it was me, so you know that's probably the

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<v Speaker 3>inside thing, and when he hears that, he'll come after me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, mate, it's just been so lovely to chat with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been loving the show. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Australians have been enjoying watching something new. You've definitely brought

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<v Speaker 1>something unique to the show and something that you know

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<v Speaker 1>you can't manufacture with your credibility. Thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 1>having this chat and unpacking the show with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thanks very much, Benjamin, and hopefully there will be

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<v Speaker 3>a season two mate, we can talk again.

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<v Speaker 1>There's got to be a series two. But honestly, as

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying earlier, I think it's going to evolve. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you bet. Look after yourself. I'm so sorry about my voice.

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<v Speaker 1>You one day you'll probably hear me on a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>to be like that is not the same person that

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to me that it's a completely different person.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm undisguised. I'm in disguised.

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<v Speaker 1>Look after yourself, mate, Say thanks to the team at

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<v Speaker 1>ten for organizing the chat.