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Speaker 1: Joining us live on the line. What of our listeners

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Speaker 1: nominations for the next Administrator of the Northern Territory. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that he's keen Matt Cunningham.

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Speaker 2: Ah, well, will be given in the past about the

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Speaker 2: excess of that particular office. They were definitely their cost

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Speaker 2: saving measure, I'll tell you that much.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a job share.

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Speaker 2: A third government house into like a restaurant or some

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Speaker 2: kind of a comedy. Didn't print Charles that day there once,

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Speaker 2: and we could just have a little office in the

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Speaker 2: Smith Street mall. And I'd also drop the the honorable

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Speaker 2: you know, all that garbage that comes before the title.

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Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, well, Matt, look, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: they I don't know they've written to the PM asking

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Speaker 1: for him to approve you as the administrator on me

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Speaker 1: but make What I do know is that the Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister's written to obviously written to the PM's office to

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Speaker 1: get that approved and they're still waiting. They put forward

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Speaker 1: that nomination in July, she told us on the show,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully it'll be yeah, hopefully it'll be done by

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Speaker 1: the end of the year. Can you believe us, we asked,

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Speaker 1: she wouldn't tell us, but she did tell us she

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Speaker 1: will reveal it for us at some point soon.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, So I don't know it's taking so long.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's pretty annoyed about her She and expressed that

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Speaker 1: opinion earlier on the show, saying that you know, she

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Speaker 1: can't understand why it's not being signed off like it's.

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Speaker 2: An maybe Shane Stone, do you think is that why

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Speaker 2: the time?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, she reckons. Well, she didn't sort

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Speaker 1: of give us any detail, but she said she thought

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Speaker 1: it would be somebody that people would you know, that

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Speaker 1: people would think was a great choice. We've had some

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Speaker 1: suggestions coming through Charlie King, Kezia Puric, Jerry Wood.

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Speaker 2: I think King was unlucky the last time around, you know,

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Speaker 2: he should have been the last administrator, and I think

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Speaker 2: there were a bit of internal politics that went on there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: The other the other suggestion was Rhys Kershel, the former

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Speaker 1: Police Commissioner of the Northern Territory and also former Commissioner

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Speaker 1: of the Australian Federal Police.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I heard that. I heard that last week,

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Speaker 2: but then I but then I'd being assured that it

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Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't going to be him, so you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean he would be someone who has He could

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Speaker 2: probably be a better choice than you or me. Look

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Speaker 2: about your mate, what about your mate, Bill war Lee?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I thought Auntie Billa Wara might be a

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Speaker 1: good one as well.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you've had an aboriginal administrator before. Yeah, yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: you know what I like.

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Speaker 1: I think Billa Warra is excellent. Last time she joined

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Speaker 1: me on the show, she you know, she gave a

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Speaker 1: really frank and honest discussion of some of the state

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Speaker 1: of affairs following on from the terrible situation with the

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Speaker 1: death of Linford Fike, and she was really honest and

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Speaker 1: upfront about it. I thought she'd done a phenomenal job

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Speaker 1: of speaking her mind. But yeah, I don't know, Matt,

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Speaker 1: who they're going to choose. Well, they've already chosen, but

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister isn't allowing them to make the announcement.

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Speaker 1: By the sounds of things.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. I wonder whether that means it's a somewhat

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Speaker 2: controversial choice of whether the TMO is just dragging.

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Speaker 1: She reckons that it was more a matter of the

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Speaker 1: PMO just dragging their heels and basically you know that,

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Speaker 1: you know, not really not really respecting the territory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I thought I heard you've got Gazola

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Speaker 2: on the case now, So for the people on the

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Speaker 2: other end of that phone call, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, look, Matt, you and I have known Kathleen for

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Speaker 1: a long time, but a lot of our listeners happened.

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Speaker 1: And if there's one thing that Gazola won't exempts, no answer.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Matt, we better talk about what we actually got

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Speaker 1: you on the show for, and that is the fact

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Speaker 1: that the Greens held their national conference here in Darwitt

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're n't about, don't they. That was Larisa Water,

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Speaker 2: the Greens leader, held a press conferences now with katmak

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Speaker 2: Damara and Kersey Howie from the Environment Center. So they

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Speaker 2: their argument is that here in the nt that they

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Speaker 2: don't believe that the NT government and the NTADA properly

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Speaker 2: So they're not happy with those changes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And so I mean, match, I guess it'll

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see what sort of flows from what

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's sort of an interesting political phenomenon

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Speaker 2: fairly remarkable that there would only be a nine point

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Speaker 2: that at the last federal election the Greens did really

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Speaker 2: But then you had these pockets like Nightcliff, Johnston, you know,

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Speaker 2: as a local member. I mean, you know, territory politics

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Speaker 2: certainly in Nightcliff, you know, and Natasha Files held that

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Speaker 2: she had probably held the seat of Nightcliffe forever, forever.

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Speaker 2: So it will be interesting to see what happens in

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Speaker 2: right for the picking four years later when the CLPE

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Speaker 2: and held it forever. So you know it's Laurie Zo.

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Speaker 2: He's a hard working Remember, even though she's got a

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Speaker 2: she's she's a massive chance to hold onto that seat.

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Speaker 1: It'll be a tough one margin. And so Matt do

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Speaker 1: I reckon that's why we're seeing the Greens sort of

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Speaker 2: I dare say, yes, you know, they're probably buoyed by

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Speaker 2: So you know, and I think the other thing is

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Speaker 1: Well, even when you look at the latest com sept

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Speaker 1: go Okay, well, you know it's showing a slight population growth.

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Speaker 1: As you touched on, you know, those housing prices. There

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely, and that's the optimistic view. I

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Speaker 2: mean Dave Malone, who is someone's who's viewered sort of

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Speaker 2: regard highly on these thoughts of issues, and he sends

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Speaker 2: the State of the State's report was always basically making

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Speaker 2: a comparison to the impecs peak, whereas now the State

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Speaker 2: of need to read that report with a bit of caution.

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Speaker 2: You know, and even our population growth, which I think

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Speaker 2: still you know, still going very low.

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Speaker 1: Long and that's the problem with a lot of those indicators.

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Speaker 2: The key driver I think will be, you know, to

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Speaker 2: see positive interstate migration, which we haven't seen I don't

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Speaker 2: think since I look twenty ten. Possibly, you know, and

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Speaker 2: in that sense, you know, we'll see that if if

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Speaker 2: ground here and you see more well paid jobs here.

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Speaker 2: And at the same time, if you see things start

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Speaker 2: there is an indication that that sort of is starting

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Speaker 2: so you know. Anyway, Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: That's how it's got to be mad. As you're talking

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Speaker 1: about Dave Malone, maybe he could be the next administrator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: It'd be good, wouldn't he He would be good Dave Malone, Yes, he's.

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Speaker 2: A good to get stuff done.

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Speaker 1: He certainly would. I'll tell you what what it makes

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Speaker 1: me think is we've actually got some real life we

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Speaker 1: do have some great people who could do a good job,

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Speaker 1: you know as administrator. Someone else has just messaged and said,

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Speaker 1: what about Dave Dolner. There you go, that'll get people talking.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's why it's being held up on the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister's there. I miss our days with Dave Tolder and

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Speaker 1: Damian Hale in here for a chat.

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Speaker 2: Well, Matt he got he was always good at arguing

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Speaker 2: his port point. Dave Ton, It's funny, you know the

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Speaker 2: last one time you made me come on that show

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Speaker 2: because Damien Hale was away, right, and we had a

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Speaker 2: discussion about this is the like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: we had a discussion about green hydrogen of all things.

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Speaker 2: For some reason, we were talking about these environmental issues

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Speaker 2: and renewable issues, and I said, oh, you know, well

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Speaker 2: green hydrogen, that's the fuel of the future. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be amazing. And Dave told had just ripped shreds

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Speaker 2: the next day with this binder that was about four

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Speaker 2: going to be a dut and six or seven years on,

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Speaker 2: I'd have to sort of offer an apologic as much

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Speaker 2: as it hurts me to say it will be proven right.

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Speaker 1: Oh too funny. Oh well, Dave, if you're out there

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Speaker 1: listening this morning, mate, what do you reckon next? Administrator

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory Let me know, Matt, we better

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Speaker 1: leave it there. Always good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the chat this morning.

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Speaker 2: All right, mate, thank you