1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. Yes, so Rocco Richie is 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: twenty four years old. He is, as I said, the 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: son of Madonna and Guy Ritchie. I think he spent 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: a lot of time growing up with his dad, who's 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: an English filmmaker. He makes all those lock stock and 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: two smoking barrel kinds. Yeah, those kind of gangstery, faux sexy, sharp, smart, 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: gangstere films. Am I right in saying that, Yes, it'd 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: be very hard growing up in that household. I imagine 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: being the child of Madonna, the most famous woman in 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: the world, and all the permutation she goes through to 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: stay young, to stay in front, to stay unusual, all 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: this stuff. He is now an artist, and I saw 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: a thing recently where he was talking about his art exhibition. 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: He's got an exhibition in Paris called The Tourist. He 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: was beautifully dressed in a beautiful suit. He can speak French, 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: so he introduced it all in French, and then he 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: was explaining the nature of his paintings. And even though 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: he's grown up in a very privileged position, he's not 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: poor me. He's just tried to make sense of his 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,279 Speaker 1: place in the world. I found him quite engaging. 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: A lot of the pictures in this show are based 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 2: off of paparazzi pictures from my teenage years. Let's say 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: at the time, these pictures used to really haunt me 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: because you know, I was just trying to do what 25 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: most teenagers do. And then I would wake up with, 26 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: you know, images in the papers. 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: I do remember a bunch of pictures of him. It 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: was a picture of him drinking beer. That's right, the 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: bridge pretty much, yes, And he said, you know that photo. 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: He could have let it haunt him. Instead, he's turned 31 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: it into a painting. He said, this is how he's 32 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: going to turn things around for himself. 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: I definitely, for a few years struggle with a sense 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: of identity and a certain sense of confidence because I 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: always felt like I had to, you know, live in 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: the shadows of And then I realized that, you know, 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: this is how it is, and this is my life. Better, 38 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: you know, embrace it and had it straight on then 39 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: have to hide for the rest of my life. And 40 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: so I thought, what could. 41 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: I make of it? 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: And lucky enough, I'm a painter, so I'm making paintings 43 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: of it. 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: Which is is it? Because a lot of people would 45 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: say he's the luckiest guy in the world, have all 46 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: that privilegion, all that money, etc. But as he said, 47 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: he came to terms with, Okay, this is my life. 48 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: How do I let it define me? And there's no 49 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: self pity. I was very taken with him, and he's 50 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: met a number of people on the way who just 51 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: didn't really give a rats about who he was, and 52 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: they are the main people in his life. 53 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 2: I think this is South Bank itself a very deep 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: place in my heart because it actually was the place 55 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: where I formed my first bit of identity. 56 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: And you know, I. 57 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: Met my first, I would say, my rawest friends in 58 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: this place, because the truth is they didn't care who 59 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: you were. They didn't care where you came from. It 60 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: was just like were you good at skating? And could 61 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: you hang? Like, you know, could you hang? This was 62 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: like my place of freedom. It was my escape. That's 63 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: what you go to do, going to hang. 64 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: But I was really taken with him. He could have 65 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: been a brat and all that stuff, and I found 66 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: him quite self effacing. And his paintings are lovely And 67 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: as I said, there he was in this beautiful suit 68 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: leading people through the gallery to explain what his paintings were. 69 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: I was very taken with him. One wonders what your 70 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: boys will do. You are on the same trajectory as Madonna. Yeah. Yes, 71 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: picture of you and your underpants trying to find a 72 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: shoe under the bed. Look the minute my children find 73 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: my sex book in Trouble, it's called Take five, and 74 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: the magazines are under the bed.