1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Already and this this is the daily This is the 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: the fourteenth of April. I'm Sam Kozlowski. 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 3: I'm Zara Seidler. 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: It's Monday, and that is the most popular day of 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: the week for workers around Australia to chuck a siki. 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: You might actually be listening to this as you're in 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: the process of chucking a siki right now. And we've 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: all heard it before. Chucking asiki is a bit of 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: an Australian tradition, but last week the Farework Commission ruled 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: against a Melbourne lawyer who was fired after chucking asiki 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: to attend the AFL gather round in Adelaide last year. 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: The case has sparked a national conversation about sick leave, 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: when it's appropriate to use it, and what rights employers 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: actually have if they suspect an employee is lying about 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: needing to take a day off. 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: Sam. 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: Never before in the history of the podcast has chuck 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,279 Speaker 1: asiki been said so many probably ever been said before. 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: But then secondary to that said so many times. 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: I need to focus on making it sound like one word. 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've six anyway, this is a 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: very wild story, one that has invigorated the office like 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: very few stories do I believe the last time this 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: happened was about the scientific discovery pertaining to a snake. 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 3: This is not what today is about. 28 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: Today is about actually a legal standard that has now 29 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: been set. 30 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: So take us back to the beginning. Why are we 31 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: talking about chucking asiki? 32 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So let me tell you about a Melbourne lawyer 33 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: named Mitchell Fuller. Now, in April last year, he called 34 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: in sick on a Friday to his law firm and 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: he told his employer that he had a tough time 36 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: sleeping and that he wasn't feeling up to coming into 37 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: the office. Then on the following Monday, he sent another 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: email saying he was still in a bit of discomfort 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: and couldn't quote hack taking public transport. He even obtained 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: a medical certificate for that day from an online provider. 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: But in reality, Fuller had flown to Adelaide on the 42 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: Thursday night to watch the AFL gather Round, which is 43 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: the annual round where all AFL teams play the same city. 44 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: It's a bit of a festival of football. It actually 45 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: just happened this weekend. So it's interesting timing. 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: Look at that homeliness. That's why we're doing it today. 47 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 3: Need us all alone. 48 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually recording this from gathering. I'm here. Over 49 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: that weekend, he attended a number of football games, He 50 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: went to the beach, he spent time at the pub, 51 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: all of which he later posted about on Instagram. 52 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: There's so much to their mistake number one. 53 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't know really where to start with that one, 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: but I am guessing that his employer found out. 55 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: Yes, the top secret SIKI mission actually went undetected for 56 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: about three months though, so he had a good run. 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: Fast forward now to July of last year, and the 58 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: law firm that Fuller worked at engaged an HR consultant 59 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: to help with unrelated performance issues that full of experiencing. 60 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: That consultant then checked Fuller's social media, connected some dots 61 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,279 Speaker 2: and figured out that Fuller had indeed chuck to SICKI. 62 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: Imagine thinking you'd gotten away with it, only to learn 63 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: three months later that in fact, you have not, because. 64 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: I imagine there would have been probably ten to twelve 65 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: weeks of anxiety there that you were going to be discovered. 66 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: And that was probably over the crest. That was probably 67 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: the safe. 68 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: Zone, okay. 69 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: And so it was found out that he was at 70 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: the AFL gather around. He was not sick at home 71 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: in bed. So what happened then. 72 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: So he was fired. So the workplace confronted him about 73 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: the posts. They gave him a chance to respond, and 74 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: after the response, the law firm terminated his employment. And 75 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: that takes us to August of last year. Now. In 76 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: his defense, Fuller argued that he believed he was entitled 77 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: to take what he called a mental health day as 78 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: part of his sickle entitlements. That all led to him 79 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: filing an unfair dismissal claim with the Fair Work Commission, 80 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: and that's why we're talking about it today. We have 81 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: that judgment now. 82 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So before we get the judgment, I am keen 83 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: to just unpack a little bit more about what Fuller 84 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: actually said when he was defending himself before the Fair 85 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: Work Commission. You mentioned their mental health days, something that 86 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: we hear and we talk a lot about as employers. 87 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: I'm really keen to understand his argument here. 88 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: So basically, he kind of laid out three core arguments. 89 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: On the first argument, he said he actually was unwell 90 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: on those days. He told the commission that he has 91 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: ADHD and there had been a nationwide shortage of his medication. Then, secondly, 92 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: he argued that taking personal leave for a mental health 93 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: day shouldn't be considered misconduct. He said that feeling stressed 94 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: or anxious about work did justify using his sickle entitlements. 95 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: And then finally, he claims that the actual dismissal process 96 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: run by the law firm wasn't fair. He wasn't given 97 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: an opportunity to properly respond to the allegations, and therefore 98 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: that was enough for the unfair dismissal. When you take 99 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: all of that together, he basically was saying sick because 100 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: I am entitled to it, and he didn't give me 101 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: a chance to respond. 102 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 103 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Fascinating, and so obviously we led at the top with 104 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: the fact that the Fair Work Commission didn't agree, didn't 105 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: accept those arguments, talk me through the ruling. 106 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: So the commission ultimately ruled that the dismissal from the 107 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: law firm was totally justified. They found that Fuller had 108 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: knowingly made false statements to his employer in emails and 109 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: had wrongly claimed paid sick leave when he wasn't entitled 110 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: to it. Now, I think one of the things that's 111 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 2: interesting and particularly related to this case is that his 112 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: actual job formed part of the reasoning. He was a lawyer, 113 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: and lawyers are expected to tell the truth and to 114 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: be upstanding citizens who with operating our legal system, and 115 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: the ruling stated that Fuller's conduct was quote utterly incompatible 116 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: with his ongoing employment as a solicitor, where integrity and 117 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 2: honesty are paramount. And what I found interesting about that 118 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: point is this common thread I discovered in learning more 119 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: about the Failwork Commission that every case really is quite different, 120 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: and there are kind of these core principles that go 121 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: across them, but it really is about the individual, the worker, 122 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: the circumstances. Another thing I found really interesting was the 123 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: commission founds that simply feeling you'd be better off after 124 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 2: having a day off work is different to being unfit 125 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: for work because of an illness and a mental health illness, 126 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: and that's actually the requirement under the Fair Work Act 127 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: for taking paid personal leave. 128 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it is interesting because so for example, 129 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: with our business, when people go in to put leave 130 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: on zero, which is how we log our leave applications 131 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: and it's a platform that hundreds of millions of businesses 132 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: around the world use. You actually can't distinguish your sickly 133 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: from say, mental health leave, right, so it's all your 134 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: personal leave. And so it's really interesting that we're now 135 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: breaking down and distinguishing why and how you can use 136 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: each of those different kind of leave applications. 137 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: But also we're talking here about what does a mental 138 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: health day actually mean? Yeah, And there was this really 139 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: interesting part of the judgment whether the Commission basically said, 140 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: there are not many people whose outlook on life, health 141 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: or work wouldn't be improved by taking a paid day 142 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: off and spending it with friends, but that does not 143 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: agree more. Yeah, but that doesn't elevate those circumstances to 144 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: unfit for work because of an illness or injury. And 145 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: while we're talking there about the definition of a sick 146 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: day in the Fair Work Act, which is that you 147 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: need a day because you can't work because of personal 148 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: illness or injury. And so the Commission was differentiating between 149 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: obviously we all feel better with the day off, but 150 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: does that mean you're entitled to a mental health day 151 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: And the answer was no, you have to be unable 152 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,119 Speaker 2: to work not just reckon you'll feel a bit better. 153 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: And so if that's the rationale held by the Fair 154 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: Work Commission, does that mean that your employer can always 155 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: ask you for a reason for your sick leave. 156 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so employers are entitled to ask for evidence that 157 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: gives them an understanding that you're genuinely entitled to paid sickly. 158 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: It doesn't always have to be a medical certificate. It 159 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: can also be a statutory declaration, which is basically when 160 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: you write a statement and you swear it's true and 161 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: often get it certified by a witness. But here's another 162 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: really interesting part of this case. Just getting a medical 163 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: certificate might not actually be enough either. In Fuller's case, 164 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: the evidence on social media of his attendance at the 165 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: pub and the footy actually kind of ruled out the 166 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: validity of the medical certificate. One other interesting point that 167 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: I'm not sure the Commission really knows what to do 168 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 2: with just yet is that he got the medical certificate 169 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: from an online consert. 170 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: Going to ask you about that. 171 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Commission said that because the certificate was 172 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: based only on what Fuller told the doctor, not a 173 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: proper assessment. There was also a bit of doubt over 174 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: the validity of the certificate, So there's no heart and 175 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: fast rule there. The Commission didn't say you can't get 176 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: an online medical seas certificate, but it just it is suitable. 177 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: All of it is murkying, so much of it is 178 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: gray here, and I think that speaks to how significant 179 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: this ruling actually is. What does this ruling mean for 180 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: you and I, for the team that works with us, 181 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: what does it mean for employers and employees across the country. 182 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: It's a really tricky one to Answerszara. As I mentioned before, 183 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 2: there's this kind of unique set of individual circumstances that 184 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: surround every unfair dismissal case. There's obviously minimum standards of 185 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: employment and awards and all of that kind of stuff, 186 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: But when you get to that level of being in 187 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: front of the Commission, they look at the whole picture. 188 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: But ultimately there's kind of three main things I took 189 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: from this judgment. One was that you can't take sick 190 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: leave when you're not sick, and it's not a good 191 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: look when you deliberately deceive your employer. Two is that 192 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 2: social media posts can be used as valid evidence in 193 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: front of the Commission for a workplace dispute, and three 194 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: the most complicated one. While genuine mental health issues are 195 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: valid reasons for a sick day, you can't just label 196 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: any day as a mental health day purely because you'd 197 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: feel better off after taking it. 198 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 199 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: See, that's the point that I'm struggling to wrap my 200 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: head around, because who is determining what a genuine mental 201 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: health day looks like or feels like for any given person. 202 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: If you've sustained a period of burnout over say three months, 203 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: what then well. 204 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: Let's bring this to the facts of the case. This 205 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: case at its heart is about deception. It's not about 206 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: a genuinely trusting relationship between an employee and employer. It's 207 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: about falsely getting medical certificates when you're putting on social 208 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: media that you're at a live sporting event. And so 209 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: I think that's really important not to conflate the two. 210 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: And in a lot of the materials that the Farework 211 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: Commission puts out, they're constantly referring to encouraging employees to 212 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: have honest conversations with their employer. And let's think about it. 213 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: From you and I, if somebody came to us and said, 214 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: I've just worked really, really hard for x amount of time. 215 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: I'm feeling burnt out, I'm feeling tired. I would like 216 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 2: to take a sick day. We'd save course, and so 217 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: then they could go to the footy and all that 218 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: kind of thing if we had had a basis of 219 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: a trusting relationship before that day off. 220 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: All in all, there are so many elements here that 221 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: are uniquely modern, you know, the finding out on social media, 222 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: the telehealth appointment. There's a lot here that you know, 223 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: even fair Work will need to catch up with when 224 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: it comes to modern day workplaces and employee employer relationships. 225 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: All of this is super interesting. I bet mister Fuller 226 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: didn't think that going to those footy matches would spark 227 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: a national conversation, but here we find ourselves and no 228 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: doubt the beginning of many Sam, thank you for explaining that, 229 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: and thank you for listening to another episode of The 230 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: Daily Oz. 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