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Speaker 1: Black cast Unite our voices. This episode is in partnership

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Speaker 1: with the Australian Government. Welcome to the Black Magic Woman

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Speaker 1: Podcast with Mandanara Baileys. Welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Black Magic Woman Podcast. I'm in the studio and

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Speaker 1: I've got an amazing guest that well, basically we've been

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Speaker 1: waiting to do this episode for quite some time before

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Speaker 1: the Christmas break. So, Amanda Subisado, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me on the Black Magic wo podcast. Can

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Speaker 1: you introduce yourself to my guest. Tell us a little

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Speaker 1: bit about yourself. So your mob, where you grew up awesome.

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Speaker 2: I'm Amanda Supersada. I'm so excited to be here today.

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Speaker 2: I am joining you today from Wada, Nungar country, so

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Speaker 2: Perth where I grew up on these beautiful lands. I

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Speaker 2: up to down here peninsula. So but yeah, been lucky

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Speaker 1: So you're living over now on long our country and

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Speaker 1: we were yarning just before that.

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Speaker 3: You're actually studying a PhD.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm studying my PhD through the University of Queensland,

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Speaker 2: so over on the lands where you're dialing in from today. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: most of my career has been in sexual health and

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Speaker 2: so working a lot with Aboriginal young people, predominantly all

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Speaker 2: that often people are using terms like co design, which

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Speaker 1: Very much needed and can't wait to see PhD. When

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Speaker 4: Stay it's the long, hard process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have to stay in touch.

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Speaker 1: But going back to the sexual health, which is your background,

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Speaker 3: When was the first time you actually heard about sexual health.

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Speaker 3: It's to me.

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Speaker 1: I actually still remember going to the Aboraginal Medical Center

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Speaker 2: That's amazing and I'm glad that you had that experience

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Speaker 1: If you could leave a message for my listeners, what

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Speaker 3: As well for myself about STIs.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I can only think about the support

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Speaker 3: I know that for a fact.

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Speaker 1: So I'm now going to be looking around in my

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Speaker 1: local community to make sure that at our abage or

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Speaker 1: if they have any sexual health educators or even some

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Speaker 1: youth workers that support young people when it comes to

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Speaker 1: having these conversations. So thank you very much and can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see when you've done your PhD and I'll

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Speaker 1: be able to share that and learn from you again.

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Speaker 3: So thank you, my sister. It's been an absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Yeah, I really enjoyed the conversation today.

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