WEBVTT - Start here: Silver Linings

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Ben. I'm a storyteller and Find and Tell.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up on Durall Country. I'd like to recognize

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional Caustodians of this continent whose land was stolen

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<v Speaker 1>nearly two hundred and fifty years ago, in particular the

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<v Speaker 1>Camagle and one Andrei people whose land this podcast was

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<v Speaker 1>recorded on. And we extend our respect to all Aboriginal

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<v Speaker 1>tour Austraight Islander peoples, the rich storytelling history of the

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<v Speaker 1>world's oldest living culture. My culture is what we pay

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<v Speaker 1>homage to when we tell stories on Find and Tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, I'm Jamila Risby and this is Find and Tell,

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<v Speaker 2>the search for the next generation of Australian storytellers.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the series, you'll be introduced to and.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll hear from four diverse Australians as they compete to

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<v Speaker 2>become the first ever Find and Tell Champion. You'll hear

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<v Speaker 2>from Mark, a Filipino Australian from Blacktown in Western Sydney.

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<v Speaker 4>As someone who is probably queer, probably chunky and beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>I live and serve in so many different communities and

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<v Speaker 4>I want to do my best to platform some stories

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<v Speaker 4>that fit under these incredible groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Kate An Iranian Australian from Foots Gray and Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 5>A huge part of my life has been sitting around

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<v Speaker 5>drinking many many cups of tea, listening to my mom

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<v Speaker 5>and my auntie's gossip, and so the kinds of stories

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<v Speaker 5>that excite me are based in the personal and based

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<v Speaker 5>in family gossip.

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<v Speaker 2>Nayan a Korean Australian from Strathfield in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 6>My cultural background and upbringing has influenced my whole storytelling

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<v Speaker 6>career and how I approach stories and people.

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<v Speaker 2>And Ben a durableman now living in Cesnok in the

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<v Speaker 2>Hunter Valley.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm the least experienced person here when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to content creation. We are here for storytelling, so

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<v Speaker 1>as long as you can spin a good yarn, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Every episode, the storytellers will be given a new thing

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<v Speaker 2>and they'll be set loose to find and tell unique,

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<v Speaker 2>weird and interesting stories from around the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Whoever tells the best story.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll win the episode, inching one step closer to being

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<v Speaker 2>from the amazing team at Road, so our winner can

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<v Speaker 2>continue finding and telling stories wherever they go. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you love a yarn as much as I do, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you're curious about stories beyond your own experience, then

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the right place. Okay, let's get started. Today's

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<v Speaker 2>theme is silver Linings. Let's meet our first storyteller, Good eye.

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<v Speaker 1>On Ben and from the Yellowora, Durawak Country, currently living

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<v Speaker 1>in sisnok on Wan, a real country. I'm a jack

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<v Speaker 1>of all trades. I've worked as a chippy on the tools,

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<v Speaker 1>I've traveled the world as a travel agent, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>worked in disability and support work. Storytelling has always been

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<v Speaker 1>significant to me in one way or another, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>be the indigenous dream time stories from my mum or

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<v Speaker 1>just swapping stories of other travelers overseas. I've never done

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<v Speaker 1>anything like this before, but I'm excited to give it

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<v Speaker 1>a crack and see what we can come up with.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Ben, welcome to find.

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<v Speaker 1>And tell How Jimil, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>This is exciting?

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't spoken since you went out into the big

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<v Speaker 2>wide world to record some of these How did you

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<v Speaker 2>find it?

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm being honest, it was a lot more difficult

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<v Speaker 1>than I first anticipated.

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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't surprise me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought it was going to be a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more of a walk in the park than it was.

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<v Speaker 1>A few kind of speed bumps along the way, but

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<v Speaker 1>we got there in the end, so I'm pretty proud.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've never done any podcasting before, so you were

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<v Speaker 2>coming in cold.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the hardest part?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, has so many different moving parts in chying to

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<v Speaker 1>make an episode. I think that the most difficult part

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<v Speaker 1>for me would have been finally feeling like you had

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<v Speaker 1>something in the bag and then it falling through last minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, Yeah, what kind of stories do you love

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<v Speaker 2>listening to or hearing?

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<v Speaker 1>When I was younger, I grew up listening to stories

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<v Speaker 1>from my mum instead of listening to I guess like

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<v Speaker 1>nursery rhymes to go on to bed. We listened to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of like dream time stories because my mom's

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<v Speaker 1>are indigenous. Yeah, of course, so me and my siblings

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<v Speaker 1>we were kind of introduced to like a unique type

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<v Speaker 1>of storytelling from a young age. And yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like where I get it from. I

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<v Speaker 1>got to give props to my mum about kind of

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<v Speaker 1>being able to spin a good yarn.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I remember when we first met before all

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<v Speaker 2>of this kicked off, and you'd just been chosen to

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<v Speaker 2>be part of Fine and Tell. You said, I can

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<v Speaker 2>just tell a really good yarn. That's why I stuck

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<v Speaker 2>my hand up.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that still hold?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, I think. But at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize just how much work actually went behind

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<v Speaker 1>a good story. Trying to figure out like the inner

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<v Speaker 1>workings of that was was challenging, but also yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I am very keen to hear how you did,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's get to it. Let's hear your Find and

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<v Speaker 2>Tell first story. Sorry, on the theme of silver linings.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Neath, a small country village on the outskirts

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<v Speaker 1>of Cesnock in the Hunter Valley region duckerd Young country.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a real blink and you'd miss it type of town.

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<v Speaker 1>One rode in and one rode out. It has a

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<v Speaker 1>population of four hundred and ninety people, a bus stop,

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<v Speaker 1>a servo and in true blue Australian country town fashion,

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<v Speaker 1>one pub. You'd be forgiven if you've never heard about Neath,

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<v Speaker 1>not many people have, but for a short period of time,

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<v Speaker 1>Neath was the talk of the region. This small, unknown

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<v Speaker 1>country town became home to a mind boggling mystery. This

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<v Speaker 1>story begins a few years ago at the peak of

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<v Speaker 1>COVID lockdowns in New South Wales. Morale was at an

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<v Speaker 1>all time low and there was nothing to look forward to, work, home, work,

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<v Speaker 1>and back home again. But that's exactly how this story starts. See.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to drive on that one lonely road

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<v Speaker 1>through Neath on my daily commute to work, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>when I first encountered the teddy bears. That's right, teddy bears.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wasn't the only one.

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<v Speaker 8>Would someone tell me the significance of the teddy bears inneath.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all over the place and some are even sitting

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<v Speaker 3>in chairs now, so the road to Neath has become

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<v Speaker 3>a gallery of hanging teddy bears. I dig the kindergarten

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<v Speaker 3>Vlad the Impaler aesthetic, but does anyone know the deal?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's disgusting. Hopefully they get pulled down soon. Makes

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<v Speaker 9>the place look filthy.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a beautiful gesture to make kids and us big

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<v Speaker 8>kids smile. People who get upset by them must have

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<v Speaker 8>had very sad childhoods.

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<v Speaker 1>In the following weeks, the teddy bears began to multiply

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<v Speaker 1>and What started as five or six soon turned into twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>then thirty, then not before long, there's too many to

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<v Speaker 1>count inhabiting the village. Beneath the trees, the parks, the benches,

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<v Speaker 1>the telegraph poles, the signal boxes, the bus stops. The

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<v Speaker 1>Teddy Bears had even infiltrated the pub. Then one day

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<v Speaker 1>they all vanished. Where did the bears come from? Who

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<v Speaker 1>put them there? And where did they go? This local

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<v Speaker 1>mystery has perplexed me for far too long, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>about time I figured out some answers. So starts my

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<v Speaker 1>investigation to unravel the mystery of the neath Teddy Bears.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the best place to start would be the

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<v Speaker 1>local community Facebook groups.

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<v Speaker 9>Does anyone know the reason behind Beneath the Teddy Bears?

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<v Speaker 1>A few minutes later, I had a response from a

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<v Speaker 1>user by the name of Gary red high Marsh. Gary commented,

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<v Speaker 1>Rue ted is the one you're looking for and tagged

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<v Speaker 1>in another profile. I clicked on the profile to hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>start piecing together the puzzle, but I ended up only

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<v Speaker 1>getting more questions and answers.

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<v Speaker 9>This profile belongs to a Teddy Bear.

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<v Speaker 1>As I clicked through the photos of the profile, I

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<v Speaker 1>realized this teddy Bear has lived quite a life. Photos

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<v Speaker 1>of him are at the beach on the Gold Coast,

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<v Speaker 1>riding on the back of a motorcycle. He was even

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<v Speaker 1>photographed in a police station. My investigation has taken a

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<v Speaker 1>rather interesting turn. It's about time I message that mysterious

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<v Speaker 1>bear good a routed. I'm currently investigating the mystery of

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<v Speaker 1>the Neath Teddy Bears. Back in twenty twenty, I was

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to possibly interview the person all bear responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>starting it in order to create a podcast episode.

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<v Speaker 9>I've been told you could hold some of the answers

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<v Speaker 9>that I seek.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I just message your teddy Bear?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Did I get a response back from that teddy bear?

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<v Speaker 7>Can Benjamin?

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<v Speaker 3>I certainly can help you with that info.

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<v Speaker 1>A bit of a long story.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm away at Port Macquarie at the moment, but we'll

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<v Speaker 3>be home at the end of the month. I can

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<v Speaker 3>introduce you to my care of Gary.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, could Gary be the one behind the titty Bears?

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<v Speaker 1>I was determined to find out?

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<v Speaker 9>All right, Gary's just pulled up.

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<v Speaker 1>Showt on Gary. Get a Gary, early.

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<v Speaker 10>Mate, buddy heart already.

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<v Speaker 1>It is coming side. It's nice and cool, lovely mate, Gary,

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<v Speaker 1>and I became acquainted.

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<v Speaker 4>All my life.

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<v Speaker 10>I grew up in packs, through in packs and swamp as.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, and we eventually made our way to the

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<v Speaker 1>topic of the titty bears.

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<v Speaker 10>I can tell the story. It's a bit of a

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<v Speaker 10>long story. Years ago I had a caravan on site,

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<v Speaker 10>a Fingerbay caravan.

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<v Speaker 1>Part it was a long story. Gary had a mate

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<v Speaker 1>who worked in the mines who one day had a

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<v Speaker 1>bear sitting on his truck.

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<v Speaker 10>And he was his big Bear sitting in the back

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<v Speaker 10>of his truck.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, one way or another, Gary got that.

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<v Speaker 10>Bear and I used to have it out in the

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<v Speaker 10>front of my caravan.

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<v Speaker 1>And Gary loved that bear. He took it with him

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere he went. It became part of his character. There's

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<v Speaker 1>Gary and there's his teddy Bear.

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<v Speaker 10>We'd go to the club and come back and big

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<v Speaker 10>tail and have women's pants on and lipstick on or whatever.

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<v Speaker 10>I was dressed up and out in front of the

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<v Speaker 10>little house there and people go past, and kids come

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<v Speaker 10>and past.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary was happy being able to bring joy and laughter

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<v Speaker 1>to so many different people, being that quirky bloke of

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<v Speaker 1>his teddy bear going on adventures around Australia. But Big

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<v Speaker 1>ted was only the start of what would soon become

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<v Speaker 1>an impressive collection.

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<v Speaker 10>All of a sudden, I'll come home and there'd be

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<v Speaker 10>a bear on me, another bear on the chair next

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<v Speaker 10>to him, and then another one. People were putting bears

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<v Speaker 10>on my bread. I go to the op chops and

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<v Speaker 10>I'd buy a beer too, So I end up with

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<v Speaker 10>seventy bears. Then when the COVID seventy zero seventy, they're

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<v Speaker 10>the ones, big ones, a whole lot. People were putting

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<v Speaker 10>bears in windows to make people happy in everything, So

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<v Speaker 10>I was thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've undernoticed to me at the time, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a trend going around during COVID lockdowns. Apparently people would

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<v Speaker 1>put bears in their windows just to make everybody's five

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<v Speaker 1>kilometer radius walk from their house a little bit more enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary had heard of the trend, but living in a

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<v Speaker 1>remote area, Gary knew not many people were going to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to enjoy his teddy beer collection. So Gary

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<v Speaker 1>decided on a different approach.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I've got all these bears, I'm going to put

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<v Speaker 10>someone beside the road. It neath increase and it will

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<v Speaker 10>make people happy. So that's how that said. I put

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<v Speaker 10>a few in them, some more than accord on and

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<v Speaker 10>other people were putting bears there, so I took a

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<v Speaker 10>few more out at different times. There you have it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a bloke and his bear who wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to put smiles and faces during a pretty grim time

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<v Speaker 1>for us. All mystery solved right except for one loose end.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever happened to those bears? Where did they all go?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, as far as I know, there was a crackhead

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<v Speaker 10>and there was I knew there was an accident down there,

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<v Speaker 10>and he ran into a car or two cars and

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<v Speaker 10>a truck and you can see a big on the

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<v Speaker 10>side of the road at the time where he done it.

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<v Speaker 10>He got out the car and running into the bush

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<v Speaker 10>manks the bears.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, luckily no one was hurt, but according to Gary,

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<v Speaker 1>the bear's coped the blame for the accident.

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<v Speaker 10>He said, I was too busy looking at the base

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<v Speaker 10>and then I running into the cars. The folee said,

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<v Speaker 10>well we better get rid of them, and that's what's

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<v Speaker 10>going to happen or whatever. This is what I've heard.

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<v Speaker 10>The next minute the cancel were down there taken the

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<v Speaker 10>ba's away.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if you haven't picked up yet, Gary is old school.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a little rough around the edges, and he says

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<v Speaker 1>it how it is, but much like he's Teddy Bears,

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<v Speaker 1>Gary has a much softer side. How many beers did

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<v Speaker 1>you first put it out there?

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<v Speaker 10>I put five?

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<v Speaker 5>Just five?

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<v Speaker 1>How many out there do you reckon? Did you end

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<v Speaker 1>up counting?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 10>I did not would have been I recommend let twenty

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<v Speaker 10>to thirty.

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<v Speaker 9>And then I had a mate who worked on the cancil.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked for his inside knowledge to say, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know like we're around when you got rid of the Bears?

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<v Speaker 1>He said, yeah, one hundred and eighty one.

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<v Speaker 11>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh that's incredible. I'll have to remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that to the story next time you're having

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<v Speaker 1>a beer down at Vincent Street.

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<v Speaker 10>One undred eighty that's all put me notes. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 10>I want to tell missus that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to say something, and I just want to cry.

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<v Speaker 3>That was so funny and so lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't figure out for a while there whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not we were going in a true crime direction, or

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not I was going to meet like just

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<v Speaker 2>these lovely local folks who were going to tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about Teddy's.

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<v Speaker 3>And you did both, well done, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it turned out to be a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>of a I always liked the idea of the mockumentary feel. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they'd kind of start something that's kind of not

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<v Speaker 1>so serious and kind of add a serious tone to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know what the answer was before you started searching? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>was this a genuine mystery for you? Were we finding

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<v Speaker 2>it out at the same time?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was still a mystery to me, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>something that had kind of been a question that I'd

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<v Speaker 1>had on my mind for a while and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the other locals around the Hunter Valley had seen

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And you know, it would come up in conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>People would be like, does anyone know where they actually

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<v Speaker 1>came from? And when I got the opportunity to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, well, why don't I just go and find out.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to ask about the interview with Gary. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Gary sounds like a great guy. He also sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who's got a lot to say. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that you always have to think about

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<v Speaker 2>when you're interviewing someone for whatever it is is you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for those pithy lines, right You're looking for them

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<v Speaker 2>to tell the story in a small amount of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't sound like Gary did that for you.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did you feel when you were doing the

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<v Speaker 2>interview and at the same time thinking how am I

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<v Speaker 2>going to get this told in a few minutes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Gary, he's a bit of a waffler. Gary, we

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<v Speaker 1>sat down and had a good hour and a half

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<v Speaker 1>chat and we kind of had to trim a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that to kind of get this episode. I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people around Gary's age and from that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of error as well was that if you have

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<v Speaker 1>the time to sit down and listen to them, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you listen to their story in a hole, you

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<v Speaker 1>can actually find some really good gems throughout it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I did a little bit of coaxing obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>He went off the rails a little bit and I

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<v Speaker 1>had to kind of like, Okay, let's get back on track.

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<v Speaker 1>But I liked it because Gary, he was my first

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<v Speaker 1>interview with a stranger as well, so that was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a learning curb for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you've got some absolute gold out of him,

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<v Speaker 2>and the way it was edited together was just super clever.

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<v Speaker 3>Congratulations, great first day out.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>In a moment we'll hear from our second storyteller, and

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<v Speaker 2>later we'll find out who is one step closer to

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<v Speaker 2>becoming Australia's first ever Find and Tell Champion. This is

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<v Speaker 2>Find and Tell, the search for the next generation of

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<v Speaker 2>diverse storytellers. Today's theme is silver Linings. We just heard

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<v Speaker 2>from Ben and now it's time to meet our next storyteller.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Kate Robinson and I am an Iranian Australian visual

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<v Speaker 5>artist based here in I'm also a podcaster, so it

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<v Speaker 5>felt so so cool to get to take part in

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<v Speaker 5>a program like Find and Tell. For me, telling authentic,

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<v Speaker 5>deep stories is really important because I think that telling

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<v Speaker 5>stories through kind of narrative long form podcast is something

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<v Speaker 5>that I'm just obsessed with, and so it was really

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<v Speaker 5>really fun for me to get the chance to create

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<v Speaker 5>a podcast in this really different way.

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<v Speaker 3>Kate, Welcome to Find and Tell.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, it's so nice to be here with you, Jamilla.

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<v Speaker 2>We are about to hear the story you've created, your

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<v Speaker 2>very first story of the show, and up until this

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<v Speaker 2>point it's just been you and your producer and a microphone.

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<v Speaker 2>How does it feel knowing that the whole country is

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<v Speaker 2>about to hear what you've made?

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<v Speaker 5>It's a bit nerve wracking, to be honest. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 5>think for me, like the kinds of stories that I

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<v Speaker 5>love the most are really personal ones. And so when

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<v Speaker 5>I started this project, like I instantly knew that that's

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<v Speaker 5>what I was going to do. But then when it

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<v Speaker 5>comes to this moment, Wye, other people are going to

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<v Speaker 5>be listening to this very inkate's head story, it feels

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<v Speaker 5>a bit scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I just got all like, oh, this sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>a cliche, but I go chili. After that, I am psyched.

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<v Speaker 2>The theme for this week is silver linings without giving

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<v Speaker 2>away this very personal story. What did that mean to

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<v Speaker 2>you when you first heard the theme was silver linings?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you first think of?

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<v Speaker 5>I think for me, silver linings really are about when

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<v Speaker 5>you go through something shit. Yeah yeah, but there's there's

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<v Speaker 5>something good that kind of you know, surrounds it and

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<v Speaker 5>comes out of it. And so for me, it was

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<v Speaker 5>very clear what I was going to talk about from

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<v Speaker 5>the moment that I heard this theme. Literally the first

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<v Speaker 5>conversation that I had with the producers during the training day,

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<v Speaker 5>wen added out what this story was going to be

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<v Speaker 5>about because I just knew, and I think sometimes when

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<v Speaker 5>you're a creative if you have something that you're like,

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<v Speaker 5>I just must tell this story, like you just have

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<v Speaker 5>to chase it and you just have to follow it.

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<v Speaker 5>And so that's what I did with this one.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I cannot wait any longer, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>that is the case for you listening right now as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I am in the same boat as you. I have

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<v Speaker 2>not heard Kate's story. I've not heard any of the stories,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am busting to.

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<v Speaker 9>Get to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So without further ado, this is Kate's first Find and

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<v Speaker 2>Tell story for Silver Linings.

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<v Speaker 5>In the midst of the worst week of my life,

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<v Speaker 5>I got this really unexpected voice message from a friend

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<v Speaker 5>of a friend.

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<v Speaker 7>He love.

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<v Speaker 6>I've been thinking of you lot. I couldn't sleep last

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<v Speaker 6>night and you were on my mind, and I just

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to say that I know how ground shattering this

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<v Speaker 6>breakup and situation is and how I found it hard

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<v Speaker 6>to process things.

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<v Speaker 5>Jane and I had met at a festival a few

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<v Speaker 5>weeks beforehand, and so we had the kind of closeness

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<v Speaker 5>that comes from sweaty dance for moments and late night chats,

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<v Speaker 5>and by that I mean we really didn't know each other.

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<v Speaker 5>And yet that voice message on that day was exactly

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<v Speaker 5>what I needed.

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<v Speaker 6>I actually found a lot of solace in speaking to

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<v Speaker 6>a friend over voice message just as stuff was coming up,

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<v Speaker 6>like journaling kind of verbally. It really really helps me.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I am sending some love from the coast.

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<v Speaker 5>So off the back of AJ's advice, and after very

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<v Speaker 5>very little sleep, I took out my phone and I

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<v Speaker 5>started voice messaging her.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, my dear, it was so nice to get your

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<v Speaker 7>voice message. Thanks for sending it. So I am in

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<v Speaker 7>the apartment. I survived my first night sleeping here alone.

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<v Speaker 5>When I listen back to these voice messages now, to

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<v Speaker 5>be honest, I don't think it even sounds like me,

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<v Speaker 5>this girl who was so shocked about her life radically

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<v Speaker 5>and unexpectedly changing, and just all.

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<v Speaker 7>Feels so crazy, to be honest, And it's just like

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<v Speaker 7>it's just fucking bizarre. Basically that last week that I

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<v Speaker 7>was just having a totally normal week and everything has

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<v Speaker 7>changed so drastically, and I just had no idea.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, every single one of us has been through

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<v Speaker 5>some kind of experience of heartbreak, but when you're going

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<v Speaker 5>through it, it's so hard to have any kind of perspective.

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<v Speaker 11>There's basically like a roster of people that are just

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<v Speaker 11>coming over, dropping off food, spending time with me. Like

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<v Speaker 11>last night, I realized, like there's still a part of

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<v Speaker 11>me that doesn't understand that this is real, and like

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<v Speaker 11>there's still a part of me that's like waiting.

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<v Speaker 5>Tonight is the first night heart believe. I feel a

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<v Speaker 5>bit of anger about all of that. You haven't like

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<v Speaker 5>you decided I had someone over in the evening.

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<v Speaker 7>Driving alone seems insane that my life can feel like

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<v Speaker 7>a trash my yet I still have to prepare for

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<v Speaker 7>this thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Me feeling the way that I do is it's still

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<v Speaker 5>definitely weird. That has been like an absolutely fascinating realization

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<v Speaker 5>to come to me. I've spent a year voice messaging

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<v Speaker 5>back and forth with AJ, and now that I'm out

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<v Speaker 5>of the weeds of the breakup, I can see things

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<v Speaker 5>a bit more clearly. Our friendship at this really pivotal,

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<v Speaker 5>weird moment in my life has made me think a

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<v Speaker 5>lot about how we survive heartbreak, but also why we

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<v Speaker 5>choose to lean on the people that we do. These

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<v Speaker 5>are big questions, and to explore them, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>talk to someone who's an expert in friendships but also

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<v Speaker 5>in failure.

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<v Speaker 8>I consider my romantic breakups some of the most visceral

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<v Speaker 8>periods of grief in my life, but the mere act

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<v Speaker 8>of living through that and surviving it had made me

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<v Speaker 8>understand I was so much stronger than I thought I was.

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<v Speaker 8>It taught me a lot about my capacity for resilience.

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<v Speaker 5>That's author and podcaster Elizabeth Day and her book friend

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<v Speaker 5>of Hollick. It's had such a big impact on me

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<v Speaker 5>this year. My copy is underlined and tabbed like a

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<v Speaker 5>textbook because I think that breakups, they really often, shine

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<v Speaker 5>a light on all of our relationships a bit, in

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<v Speaker 5>particular our friendships.

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<v Speaker 8>One of the most momentous breakups in my life was

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<v Speaker 8>three weeks before my thirty ninth birthday. I remember so

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<v Speaker 8>vividly that breakup happening and me opening the window of

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<v Speaker 8>my rented flat and smoking a cigarette. I don't smoke,

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<v Speaker 8>by the way, but it felt like the only appropriate,

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<v Speaker 8>least a tragic thing to do.

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<v Speaker 5>When your life gets unexpectedly turned upside down. Like elizabeths

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<v Speaker 5>did like minded, the balance in the scales of everything

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<v Speaker 5>kind of skews, including in your friendships. All of a

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<v Speaker 5>sudden you become the friend who is kind of a miss,

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<v Speaker 5>But there's also something so beautiful about friendship that is

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<v Speaker 5>born out of a time when there's no expectation of

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<v Speaker 5>anything in return.

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<v Speaker 8>I do not know what I would have done without

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<v Speaker 8>my friends after that breakup, literally to the extent that

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<v Speaker 8>the first person I called was Emma, my ex was

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<v Speaker 8>still in the flat, and I said, this has happened,

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<v Speaker 8>and she was like, right, but he doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, because it seems so ludicrous to her. She's like, right,

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 8>but he's joking, isn't he. I was like no, and

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<v Speaker 8>she said, Okay, my darling, this is what we're going

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<v Speaker 8>to do, and she basically gave me a plan of action.

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<v Speaker 8>The next day, I didn't want to be on my own.

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<v Speaker 8>I went and stayed with another friend of mine, Francesco,

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<v Speaker 8>who has like, just come over, just stay the night.

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<v Speaker 8>Like all of my friends rounded around, and all of

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 8>them just cacooned me in a sense of safety, love

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 8>and understanding, and they allowed me to talk it through

0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 8>and they shared with me what they felt. Just the

0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 8>sheer generosity of them allowing me to feel heard really

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 8>assuaged a lot of my sadness. And do you know

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<v Speaker 8>the other thing that was so meaningful to me. They

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 8>actually shared my sadness because they knew that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 8>just about the person I was with. It was about

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 8>the time of life that I was in, to the

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 8>extent that Francesca then like marched.

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Me into for Dinity clinic.

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<v Speaker 8>And I don't know, that mixture of sort of practicality

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<v Speaker 8>and just the force of their love for me just

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 8>got me through because I knew that I always had

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<v Speaker 8>somewhere to turn.

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<v Speaker 5>There's something so important in these moments to know that

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<v Speaker 5>you're not alone and to actually feel quite the opposite,

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<v Speaker 5>that you have this incredible group of people who are

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<v Speaker 5>rallying around.

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<v Speaker 8>You, and they have always been there when my heart

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:51.679
<v Speaker 8>has been broken to repair it, but also to remind

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 8>me that the most consistent and meaningful love of my

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 8>life is the love of my friends.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh that's so beautiful, Elizabeth. I had exactly this same

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:03.640
<v Speaker 5>experience where my ex partner was still in the flat

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 5>as well, and I called my best friend Alice, and

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.480
<v Speaker 5>she did exactly as you said. She said, no, that's

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<v Speaker 5>not possible.

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 7>Are you sure?

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:12.959
<v Speaker 5>And I said I'm sure, And then she said, all right,

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:14.880
<v Speaker 5>this is what you're going to do. So I didn't

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 5>have to do any of the labor. She was like,

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 5>just stay on the phone to me and you will

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:20.719
<v Speaker 5>get someone to come and pick you up as soon

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 5>as possible.

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:26.159
<v Speaker 8>That's incredible. Here's to Alice and Emma. I am so

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 8>glad we have those women in our lives.

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 5>We all have our Alice's and our Emma's who we

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 5>know will forever show up for us. But when your

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:42.199
<v Speaker 5>life goes through a seismic shift, there's also, of course

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 5>those people that just fade away. And then there are

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 5>the friends that are directly born out of those circumstances,

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 5>who you become close to really quickly in a way

0:27:54.640 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 5>that you probably otherwise wouldn't. It's friends like AJ. Even now,

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.119
<v Speaker 5>a year later, I'm not one hundred percent sure that

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 5>we became friends because of our shared experience of hatbreak,

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 5>or because voice messaging is just such a powerful, honorable medium.

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 5>So I decided to ask Elizabeth about what role voice

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 5>messaging plays in her friendships.

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 8>I am so glad you asked that. It's like I've

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 8>waited my whole life to be asked this question. It

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 8>plays an enormous and profound role for me. I love

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 8>nothing more than a voice note. I think it's partly

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 8>because I am an introvert, which I know is ironic

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 8>given that I'm sitting here chatting to you and I

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 8>kind of put myself out there. But what I understand

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 8>my introversion is that I like to have deep connections

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 8>one on one, and I find that phone calls really

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 8>drain my energy because I never know how to end them.

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 8>So I love voice noting and I voice note definitely.

0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 8>With my best friend a lot. We voice note each

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 8>other and it is such a joy listening to her

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 8>voice notes to me, and it is like listening to

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 8>an episode of my favorite podcast.

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:09.479
<v Speaker 5>I love that so much because that is exactly how

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 5>I feel about voice messaging, especially when I was going

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 5>through the breakup, and it's something where your energy is

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 5>like simultaneously so drained and like so amplified, and so

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 5>voice messaging was that perfect medium where I could just

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 5>pick up the phone and speak to someone when I

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 5>felt like on my terms and there was no pressure,

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 5>and I just love that so much.

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 8>And it's something that you can do when you're walking somewhere,

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 8>and there's something about that combination that feels you can

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 8>be more open and more vulnerable than if you're curating

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 8>a text or if you are on a phone call,

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 8>I'm constantly trying to gauge how the other person might

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 8>be feeling, and I can't see their face. There's something

0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 8>disjointed about it. Whereas the voice note, I am sending

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 8>something from my world into theirs, and I know that

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 8>they will listen to it when they have space to

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 8>listen to it. Someone should write a book about voice notes.

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 5>I've listened back to so many voice messages between AJ

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 5>and I, and the perspective that I've gained from it

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 5>is that really has, like with the voice messaging, my

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 5>breakup has made me be a more vulnerable version of

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 5>myself in my friendships. It's something that I know that

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 5>I've struggled with in the past, and it's been a

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 5>huge positive in an otherwise really shitty year.

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<v Speaker 8>So I think heartbreak, whether it's a romantic one or

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 8>a friendship one, it really reveals us as we truly are,

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 8>rather than how we like to imagine we might be

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 8>in the future.

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 5>When you go through a breakup, a little bit of

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 5>your identity it just chips away. It doesn't matter how

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 5>independent you were before. It's really your friends that tether

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 5>you back to some kind of sense of yourself. They

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 5>remind you that you're loved, that you're cared for, that

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 5>you're not alone, which, to be honest, is some of

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 5>the biggest reasons that people are afraid of not being

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 5>in a relationship. For Elizabeth, her friends were overwhelmingly the

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 5>people that knew her the most, deeply, loved her the

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 5>most unconditionally, and were the one constant in her life.

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 8>My friends, I would say, they're like family to me.

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 8>They're better than family. They're my chosen family, and they

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 8>understand me so deeply, and.

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 5>I feel exactly the same way through the ugliness of heartbreak.

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 5>Friendship that is vulnerable friendship, that is deep friendship that

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 5>happens via voice message. It was the only silver lining.

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I loved it. I loved it.

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 5>Well done, Thank you so much.

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 3>And your voice.

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 2>You've got good voice, good cadence and rhythm and feelings.

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 7>Thank you.

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of questions. Are the voice notes

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 2>to AJ the real voice notes or did you?

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 9>Oh wow?

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 5>Literally about twenty four hours of voice messages back and forth,

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 5>and as part of this project, I went through a

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 5>year's worth of voice notes and that's that's a lot,

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 5>and I thought that I was really healed, and then

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:44.479
<v Speaker 5>I listened to the very first one that we're here

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 5>at the start of the episode, and I just instantly

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 5>started crying because it doesn't sound like me.

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 2>No, you do sound like a different person. I mean,

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 2>as soon as I heard Elizabeth Day's voice, I was like,

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 2>that's Elizabeth Day. And then I was like, my being

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 2>one weird person that thinks all English people sound the same,

0:32:58.880 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's not.

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 3>No, how did she do that?

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.239
<v Speaker 2>So tell me about Like, that's quite a practical thing

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>to do, to go after someone who's a big name,

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>who's a celebrity.

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 3>How'd you get her to do it?

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 5>To be honest, I just wanted to talk to Elizabeth

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 5>Day this whole show.

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Your involvement was about one thing.

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 5>When I think of friendships, it's just intrinsically linked in

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 5>my head with Elizabeth Day because she's in so many

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 5>ways the queen of friendship. So when we were pitching

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 5>ideas for who we might talk to for this episode,

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 5>I just like kind of sheepishly, was like, well, Elizabeth

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 5>Day is going to be in Melbourne next week, so

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 5>maybe we try for Elizabeth's Day and we kind of

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 5>laughed it off because it seemed absurd that she would

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 5>say yes, then she did.

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean it shows ambition pays off, right, you can

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 2>only ask, well, credit to you, because I think for

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>someone who is high profile and does a lot of interviews,

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>I think they can start to become For someone like

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Day like, oh, it's just another one because I'm

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>doing seventeen today another four tomorrow, And to get something

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 2>out of her that was unusual and different does take.

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 3>Knowledge and skill.

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, you made me feel really comfortable and safe as

0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the listener, and more than that, you really made me

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 2>want to go call my best mate. So I think

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:17.280
<v Speaker 2>if that was what you were going for, you absolutely

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 2>nailed it. Congratulations Kate, Thank you so much.

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 5>Schimmeller.

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 2>So, who told the best silver lining story? I'm going

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>to make my decision and chat to them in just

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 2>a moment. This is Fine and Tell, And the theme

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 2>this week was silver linings. This was a really difficult

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>contest to call. These were two outstanding stories. Ben was

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 2>made for podcasting folks. His voice is so strong and assured,

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 2>and he's got a little bit of cheekiness in there too.

0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 2>He also created a kind of true crime vibe, but

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 2>there's something awesome about hearing that true crime approach jaxtaposed

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 2>with the kind of cutesy weirdness of the Teddy Bear's

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Picnic song and the theme of his story. If I

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>had any suggestions for Ben for next week, it would

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 2>be to make sure he rounds the story out completely.

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>The ending felt just a tiny bit abrupt, and I

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 2>think if he'd even given us one or two more sentences,

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 2>it would have helped us leave the podcast feeling warm

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 2>and fuzzy and wanting to go to a Teddy Bear's picnic.

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>It sort of caught me by surprise that that was

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 2>the end. In Kate's I loved how insightful her scripting was.

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I've had my share of emotional breakups, and she absolutely

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 2>took me back there with her really clever scripting and

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the way she built some mystery and anticipation. Something I

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 2>would love to see from Kate next week is just

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 2>to work on those cliches a little bit now. And

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 2>then she sort of had a line that didn't hit

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 2>as hard because it was one of those cliched phrases

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.879
<v Speaker 2>that you hear a lot. I really liked the fact

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:04.359
<v Speaker 2>that she managed to land Elizabeth Day. I mean, who

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't like it. That's a really big name celebrity, and

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 2>I thought the interview was strong, but perhaps we could

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 2>have seen a bit more of a smoother integration of Elizabeth.

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it felt like there were two stories going on

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 2>in one. This was a really tough call, but after

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 2>hearing both stories, I've decided that based on originality. Ben, Ben,

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 2>congratulations you're this week's winner.

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, thank you so much.

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:32.439
<v Speaker 10>Wow.

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 3>I really wanted to go on a Tedb's picnic. By

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 3>the end of it, I really.

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Wanted to meet Gary and there was just so much

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 2>heart in that story. You made me feel like I

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 2>was right there in Gary's living room with you.

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:42.839
<v Speaker 3>Well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. I've had a lot of fun

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>working on this one, so I'm glad it turned out

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the way it did.

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, Ben and Kate.

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 2>What an incredible way to kick off Finding But hey,

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 2>there is so much more left to come, So press

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<v Speaker 2>to reclaim their narratives, strengthen cultural identity, and contribute to

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<v Speaker 2>a more inclusive Australia by showcasing exciting emerging talent from

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<v Speaker 2>Australian communities.