1 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:09,791 Speaker 1: Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges 2 00:00:09,951 --> 00:00:12,911 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this 3 00:00:12,991 --> 00:00:16,151 Speaker 1: episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land 4 00:00:16,151 --> 00:00:19,591 Speaker 1: where you, the listener or viewer, are tuning in from. 5 00:00:19,911 --> 00:00:21,991 Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders 6 00:00:22,071 --> 00:00:25,631 Speaker 1: past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal 7 00:00:25,711 --> 00:00:28,391 Speaker 1: land and always will be Aboriginal land. 8 00:00:30,951 --> 00:00:37,991 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandinara Bales. 9 00:00:40,231 --> 00:00:43,951 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcast. 10 00:00:44,391 --> 00:00:47,471 Speaker 1: It is an absolute pleasure to be here on the 11 00:00:47,511 --> 00:00:51,471 Speaker 1: beautiful land of the Cameragle peoples. I am here in 12 00:00:51,511 --> 00:00:56,351 Speaker 1: Sydney and this is the Eor Nation. So this episode 13 00:00:56,511 --> 00:01:00,431 Speaker 1: I've got the absolute pleasure of yarning too a sister 14 00:01:01,511 --> 00:01:04,071 Speaker 1: who's been doing some amazing stuff. So I'm going to 15 00:01:04,151 --> 00:01:07,191 Speaker 1: lectually hand over to you to introduce yourself. And it's 16 00:01:07,231 --> 00:01:10,511 Speaker 1: interesting in our culture, you know who you are is 17 00:01:10,591 --> 00:01:13,111 Speaker 1: much more important than what you do. But for a 18 00:01:13,151 --> 00:01:16,271 Speaker 1: lot of non averational people, people go straight into business. 19 00:01:16,951 --> 00:01:22,591 Speaker 1: So in this kind of format, we want to know people. 20 00:01:22,591 --> 00:01:25,191 Speaker 1: We want to understand who you are rather than what 21 00:01:25,231 --> 00:01:26,951 Speaker 1: you do. So do you want to tell people your name? 22 00:01:27,191 --> 00:01:29,751 Speaker 1: Your mob and a little bit about where you grew up. 23 00:01:30,391 --> 00:01:33,071 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's so wonderful to be here and all 24 00:01:33,071 --> 00:01:37,151 Speaker 2: you're branding all around. This is so professional, so special. 25 00:01:37,191 --> 00:01:39,271 Speaker 2: So I'm so glad that I'm here the first time 26 00:01:39,271 --> 00:01:42,391 Speaker 2: you're in this studio. But my name is Kate Russell. 27 00:01:42,591 --> 00:01:45,031 Speaker 2: I'm a proud warble coolman. I grew up on Western Lake, 28 00:01:45,071 --> 00:01:48,311 Speaker 2: Macquarie and all of my family's still there. For anyone 29 00:01:48,351 --> 00:01:50,471 Speaker 2: who knows they er at Toronto, Toronto, you got to 30 00:01:50,511 --> 00:01:54,511 Speaker 2: say it right. It's not Toronto, it's a Toronto. Went 31 00:01:54,551 --> 00:01:57,391 Speaker 2: to primary school there and then went into the city, 32 00:01:57,391 --> 00:02:00,791 Speaker 2: into Newcastle to go to high school. I'm an only child. 33 00:02:01,431 --> 00:02:03,791 Speaker 2: My dad was the first one to finish school and 34 00:02:03,831 --> 00:02:07,231 Speaker 2: his family and education was always really important. My mom 35 00:02:07,471 --> 00:02:10,751 Speaker 2: was a teacher, my dad was a mental health nurse, 36 00:02:11,591 --> 00:02:15,711 Speaker 2: and so education was the one thing that always was 37 00:02:16,471 --> 00:02:18,551 Speaker 2: a constant in our household. And when I think back 38 00:02:18,591 --> 00:02:22,671 Speaker 2: as to where it started, I remember being in year 39 00:02:22,751 --> 00:02:27,911 Speaker 2: one and during the school holidays, I did a project. 40 00:02:27,991 --> 00:02:29,471 Speaker 2: And this is back in the day, when you do 41 00:02:29,511 --> 00:02:31,551 Speaker 2: a project and it's on a big piece of cardboard. 42 00:02:31,631 --> 00:02:32,871 Speaker 3: You went to the news agents. 43 00:02:33,111 --> 00:02:35,711 Speaker 2: There was no office for works yep, and you had 44 00:02:35,711 --> 00:02:38,071 Speaker 2: to use glue and everything. And I was doing a 45 00:02:38,111 --> 00:02:40,271 Speaker 2: project and no one had asked me to do a project. 46 00:02:40,391 --> 00:02:41,391 Speaker 4: I just for some reason. 47 00:02:41,391 --> 00:02:43,231 Speaker 2: I guess my mom might have said, let's do something 48 00:02:43,271 --> 00:02:45,311 Speaker 2: because she was probably sick of hanging out with me 49 00:02:45,831 --> 00:02:46,591 Speaker 2: school holidays. 50 00:02:46,671 --> 00:02:47,471 Speaker 3: Let's get your working. 51 00:02:47,711 --> 00:02:48,871 Speaker 4: So I did an extra. 52 00:02:48,631 --> 00:02:51,311 Speaker 2: Project and extracurricular project, and it was on the Iran 53 00:02:51,391 --> 00:02:57,391 Speaker 2: Iraq war. Like I'm six, like, but I've always loved learning. 54 00:02:57,911 --> 00:03:00,591 Speaker 2: It's always been something that I enjoy. So, whether it's 55 00:03:00,631 --> 00:03:03,471 Speaker 2: studying a random piece of history when I'm six years old, 56 00:03:04,111 --> 00:03:08,351 Speaker 2: or it's learning a different language or just mindlessly researching something, 57 00:03:09,071 --> 00:03:11,871 Speaker 2: that's been the one thing that's I think open doors 58 00:03:11,911 --> 00:03:16,271 Speaker 2: for me. Let me have scholarships or get into educational 59 00:03:16,311 --> 00:03:19,951 Speaker 2: employment pathways. And I've been the benefici area of so many, 60 00:03:19,991 --> 00:03:23,831 Speaker 2: whether it is like a formal or informal mentoring that's 61 00:03:23,871 --> 00:03:26,711 Speaker 2: given me opportunities that I wouldn't have had. I think 62 00:03:27,151 --> 00:03:30,031 Speaker 2: part of my career is wanting to pay that forward 63 00:03:30,071 --> 00:03:31,911 Speaker 2: and create those opportunities for somebody else. 64 00:03:32,071 --> 00:03:33,911 Speaker 3: I was going to ask you, what was your first job? 65 00:03:33,911 --> 00:03:37,111 Speaker 1: If you're six years old, you're doing extracurricular activity. 66 00:03:37,831 --> 00:03:41,631 Speaker 3: And it's on the war of Iran and Iraq. What 67 00:03:41,751 --> 00:03:43,551 Speaker 3: was your first job? What did you want to be then? 68 00:03:43,631 --> 00:03:45,751 Speaker 1: When you were young? Like you know, they always say 69 00:03:45,991 --> 00:03:47,231 Speaker 1: what do you want to be when you grow up? 70 00:03:47,351 --> 00:03:48,311 Speaker 1: What did you used to say? 71 00:03:48,631 --> 00:03:50,031 Speaker 2: I used to say I wanted to be a teacher. 72 00:03:50,431 --> 00:03:52,751 Speaker 2: I can't And that made sense because my mum was 73 00:03:52,751 --> 00:03:56,151 Speaker 2: a teacher and her mum was a teacher, and those 74 00:03:56,191 --> 00:03:58,311 Speaker 2: were probably the only that was the only job. I 75 00:03:58,311 --> 00:04:01,351 Speaker 2: grew up in a very small part of town on 76 00:04:01,391 --> 00:04:03,991 Speaker 2: a little property, so I didn't have exposure to what 77 00:04:04,071 --> 00:04:08,631 Speaker 2: other jobs could be. And again, I like people, I 78 00:04:08,751 --> 00:04:10,711 Speaker 2: like having a yarn, and I like learning, so a 79 00:04:10,751 --> 00:04:13,631 Speaker 2: teacher did make sense. And I think then when I 80 00:04:13,631 --> 00:04:15,751 Speaker 2: became a teenager and saw the hell that I put 81 00:04:15,751 --> 00:04:18,911 Speaker 2: my teachers, it really took the shining off. But I 82 00:04:18,911 --> 00:04:21,951 Speaker 2: have such respect for anyone who dedicates their life to 83 00:04:21,991 --> 00:04:23,471 Speaker 2: teaching others. 84 00:04:23,551 --> 00:04:24,591 Speaker 4: But it was pretty clear. 85 00:04:24,391 --> 00:04:27,591 Speaker 2: That I did not have the patience to be a teacher. 86 00:04:27,911 --> 00:04:28,871 Speaker 3: So what'd you end up doing? 87 00:04:30,111 --> 00:04:33,391 Speaker 2: So I went to high school in the city. I 88 00:04:33,431 --> 00:04:35,271 Speaker 2: was lucky enough to go to a selective high school, 89 00:04:35,311 --> 00:04:38,551 Speaker 2: so there were pathways established for me to go to 90 00:04:38,631 --> 00:04:43,431 Speaker 2: university and ended up going to UNSW. UNSW gave me 91 00:04:43,711 --> 00:04:47,431 Speaker 2: housing for the first year through their Naragilli Center because 92 00:04:47,431 --> 00:04:49,511 Speaker 2: even though I grew up in Newcastle and Sydney is 93 00:04:49,631 --> 00:04:52,591 Speaker 2: only two hours away, we were not the family that 94 00:04:52,751 --> 00:04:54,551 Speaker 2: ever went to Sydney. 95 00:04:54,191 --> 00:04:57,591 Speaker 3: So that that was like another world away. 96 00:04:57,511 --> 00:05:00,591 Speaker 2: Exactly like I didn't even catch public There was no 97 00:05:00,631 --> 00:05:02,951 Speaker 2: public transport where I grew up, so the idea of 98 00:05:02,951 --> 00:05:05,791 Speaker 2: going to Sydney and being on trains and buses and 99 00:05:05,831 --> 00:05:09,671 Speaker 2: all of that was a complete, a complete change for me. 100 00:05:09,831 --> 00:05:12,711 Speaker 2: So I lived on campus thanks to the Naragilli Center 101 00:05:12,711 --> 00:05:16,071 Speaker 2: for sorting that out for me, and studied international relations 102 00:05:16,111 --> 00:05:17,951 Speaker 2: because by this point I decided that I was going 103 00:05:17,991 --> 00:05:20,151 Speaker 2: to be a diplomat, despite the fact that I had 104 00:05:20,951 --> 00:05:24,911 Speaker 2: clearly no idea what a diplomat did and had no 105 00:05:24,951 --> 00:05:26,551 Speaker 2: one in my life that could tell me what that 106 00:05:26,911 --> 00:05:30,471 Speaker 2: would be like. And then I was given a kidet 107 00:05:30,471 --> 00:05:32,751 Speaker 2: shit with foreign affairs and trade, and I thought, right, 108 00:05:33,031 --> 00:05:33,631 Speaker 2: this is it. 109 00:05:34,151 --> 00:05:35,151 Speaker 4: Pathway laid out. 110 00:05:35,391 --> 00:05:37,591 Speaker 3: So your first job was government, first. 111 00:05:37,311 --> 00:05:39,351 Speaker 4: Proper job i'd had, like high school jobs. 112 00:05:39,391 --> 00:05:43,551 Speaker 2: I worked at sports Girl, Heyts shut Out the good 113 00:05:43,551 --> 00:05:47,671 Speaker 2: old days, was in government and I hated it. 114 00:05:47,071 --> 00:05:49,511 Speaker 4: It was not what I wanted to do. 115 00:05:50,111 --> 00:05:51,991 Speaker 1: My first job was government and I hated it too. 116 00:05:51,991 --> 00:05:54,911 Speaker 1: Where were you, Department of Families Communities? 117 00:05:55,151 --> 00:05:56,591 Speaker 4: That can be a tough one though as well. 118 00:05:56,511 --> 00:05:56,911 Speaker 3: It's tough. 119 00:05:56,911 --> 00:05:59,911 Speaker 1: I went straight to a youth detention center, which I 120 00:06:00,031 --> 00:06:03,471 Speaker 1: thought I wanted to be. I wanted to work with 121 00:06:03,511 --> 00:06:05,951 Speaker 1: you and I wanted to work with our young people 122 00:06:05,991 --> 00:06:08,711 Speaker 1: that I saw coming in and out of the Murray 123 00:06:08,711 --> 00:06:10,351 Speaker 1: School getting locked out coming. 124 00:06:10,191 --> 00:06:11,111 Speaker 3: Back to the Murray School. 125 00:06:11,791 --> 00:06:13,671 Speaker 1: I wanted to go to the youth detention center, but 126 00:06:13,751 --> 00:06:15,991 Speaker 1: I wasn't game enough to break the law because of 127 00:06:16,031 --> 00:06:19,791 Speaker 1: my dad. I was not game enough. So I went 128 00:06:19,831 --> 00:06:23,351 Speaker 1: to the government. Lasted twelve months, and it was it 129 00:06:23,391 --> 00:06:29,431 Speaker 1: was traumatizing because I was seventeen. Yeah, I don't know 130 00:06:29,471 --> 00:06:31,871 Speaker 1: whether I was ready for it. But at the same time, 131 00:06:31,871 --> 00:06:33,311 Speaker 1: it'd opened my eyes to another world. 132 00:06:33,711 --> 00:06:34,831 Speaker 4: But it's an interesting thing. 133 00:06:34,871 --> 00:06:37,071 Speaker 2: And when I was working, I was doing a lot 134 00:06:37,111 --> 00:06:39,791 Speaker 2: with youth and in the employment and education space. If 135 00:06:39,791 --> 00:06:42,071 Speaker 2: we fast forward a couple of years and I'd talked 136 00:06:42,071 --> 00:06:44,191 Speaker 2: to these kids and they were fifteen or sixteen, I'd 137 00:06:44,231 --> 00:06:45,991 Speaker 2: be like, what do you want to do? And so 138 00:06:46,151 --> 00:06:48,551 Speaker 2: many of our kids would say, I want to be 139 00:06:48,591 --> 00:06:50,311 Speaker 2: a social worker. Or I want to be a nurse 140 00:06:50,431 --> 00:06:54,311 Speaker 2: or a teacher, because they'd had a positive experience with 141 00:06:54,471 --> 00:06:56,751 Speaker 2: those people, you know, in the different paths of their lives, 142 00:06:56,951 --> 00:06:59,751 Speaker 2: and they said, that's what I want to do. And 143 00:06:59,791 --> 00:07:02,271 Speaker 2: it was part of my job to sort of have 144 00:07:02,351 --> 00:07:06,391 Speaker 2: those coaching conversations to say that, like, absolutely powered to 145 00:07:06,431 --> 00:07:07,911 Speaker 2: you if you want to be a social worker or 146 00:07:07,951 --> 00:07:09,951 Speaker 2: if you want to go and engage in the frontline 147 00:07:09,991 --> 00:07:12,311 Speaker 2: that kind of work. But I also want our people 148 00:07:12,311 --> 00:07:15,151 Speaker 2: to dream in a different way because those jobs ask 149 00:07:15,471 --> 00:07:20,631 Speaker 2: can be so tricky, they can be traumatizing. It's fantastic 150 00:07:20,631 --> 00:07:22,711 Speaker 2: for anyone to want to dedicate their lives to that. 151 00:07:23,231 --> 00:07:28,631 Speaker 2: But there are so many different pathways, including entrepreneurship, including business, 152 00:07:29,431 --> 00:07:30,911 Speaker 2: that maybe you do want to go and be a 153 00:07:30,911 --> 00:07:32,911 Speaker 2: social worker, maybe you do want to work in a 154 00:07:32,951 --> 00:07:35,271 Speaker 2: detention center, but maybe that's not going to be you 155 00:07:35,311 --> 00:07:37,271 Speaker 2: for forty years. And for a lot of people. We 156 00:07:37,311 --> 00:07:41,351 Speaker 2: see the exit rates of those professions. They're incredibly challenging 157 00:07:41,431 --> 00:07:43,431 Speaker 2: jobs with beautiful people working in them. 158 00:07:43,911 --> 00:07:46,511 Speaker 4: But let's think more broadly. 159 00:07:46,151 --> 00:07:48,711 Speaker 2: About what your career because like it or not, we're 160 00:07:48,751 --> 00:07:50,951 Speaker 2: all probably going to be working for thirty or forty years. 161 00:07:50,991 --> 00:07:53,711 Speaker 2: It's a long time. Do you have it in you 162 00:07:53,791 --> 00:07:55,431 Speaker 2: to do that for thirty or forty years? And you 163 00:07:55,471 --> 00:07:56,351 Speaker 2: found that out early? 164 00:07:56,591 --> 00:07:57,711 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I. 165 00:07:57,671 --> 00:08:01,551 Speaker 1: Was just going to say, in terms of careers, education, training, employment, 166 00:08:02,111 --> 00:08:07,231 Speaker 1: I then went from the government into a group training 167 00:08:07,311 --> 00:08:11,871 Speaker 1: organization me too, did you stop? So in Queensland it 168 00:08:11,991 --> 00:08:14,991 Speaker 1: was the oldest GRIP training organization and it was called 169 00:08:15,031 --> 00:08:19,231 Speaker 1: Industry Commerce Employment Training. I sent and I remember being 170 00:08:19,231 --> 00:08:22,951 Speaker 1: a school based apprenticeship officer and there was no such 171 00:08:22,991 --> 00:08:26,311 Speaker 1: thing as school based apprentices So my job was to 172 00:08:26,431 --> 00:08:30,671 Speaker 1: go and educate the sector, industry and the high schools 173 00:08:31,231 --> 00:08:36,111 Speaker 1: around the education training reforms for the future. And now 174 00:08:36,151 --> 00:08:38,111 Speaker 1: with the work that I do, I'm able to go 175 00:08:38,151 --> 00:08:40,991 Speaker 1: and go and engage with a lot of those people 176 00:08:40,991 --> 00:08:44,631 Speaker 1: that are still working those organizations and hey, roll out training. 177 00:08:45,231 --> 00:08:46,871 Speaker 4: And it's for me. 178 00:08:47,151 --> 00:08:50,751 Speaker 2: It's seeing the impact as well. Recently, I've had sort 179 00:08:50,751 --> 00:08:52,831 Speaker 2: of two experiences because I did the exact same job. 180 00:08:52,871 --> 00:08:54,191 Speaker 2: So I didn't know that about you that is not 181 00:08:54,751 --> 00:08:57,671 Speaker 2: readily available on your bio. But I was doing school 182 00:08:57,671 --> 00:09:02,271 Speaker 2: based traineeships adult traineeships again with a gto rto that 183 00:09:02,431 --> 00:09:04,911 Speaker 2: be it based in Adelaide, so I know exactly what 184 00:09:04,951 --> 00:09:08,271 Speaker 2: you're talking about, but recently I've had too. 185 00:09:08,311 --> 00:09:09,791 Speaker 4: One was even just on Friday night. 186 00:09:09,831 --> 00:09:12,471 Speaker 2: I was at one of our wonderful suppliers celebrating their 187 00:09:12,511 --> 00:09:16,111 Speaker 2: tenth year in business, and this young man is waving 188 00:09:16,111 --> 00:09:18,511 Speaker 2: to me across the room. It was kind of dark, 189 00:09:18,511 --> 00:09:20,151 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, okay, I was so high. 190 00:09:20,151 --> 00:09:22,631 Speaker 2: He clearly knows me. And then I had a bit 191 00:09:22,631 --> 00:09:24,511 Speaker 2: of a young to him and I realized this was 192 00:09:24,511 --> 00:09:26,071 Speaker 2: one of my former school based trainees. 193 00:09:26,391 --> 00:09:26,751 Speaker 3: Stop. 194 00:09:26,951 --> 00:09:30,271 Speaker 2: It's been twelve years and this young man number one, 195 00:09:30,351 --> 00:09:34,791 Speaker 2: he's like twenty seven now, not fifteen. And I'm not 196 00:09:34,831 --> 00:09:37,431 Speaker 2: going to give away my age, but the fact that 197 00:09:37,471 --> 00:09:41,031 Speaker 2: he recognized me was so flattering, and that he approached 198 00:09:41,071 --> 00:09:42,951 Speaker 2: me and said, what have you been up to? 199 00:09:42,991 --> 00:09:43,631 Speaker 4: What's going on? 200 00:09:43,711 --> 00:09:45,831 Speaker 2: And we've got to talk about our lives. And I'd 201 00:09:45,911 --> 00:09:48,271 Speaker 2: last seen this young man twelve years ago when he 202 00:09:48,351 --> 00:09:51,871 Speaker 2: was fifteen and in Tamworth and had a number of 203 00:09:51,951 --> 00:09:55,791 Speaker 2: challenges going on, and to see that everything's not only 204 00:09:55,791 --> 00:09:59,951 Speaker 2: worked out okay for him, but it's worked out pretty well. 205 00:10:00,071 --> 00:10:01,751 Speaker 4: And that he has just as fond. 206 00:10:01,471 --> 00:10:04,551 Speaker 2: Of memories about that time and that experience that I do. 207 00:10:04,671 --> 00:10:06,751 Speaker 2: And similarly, I had another young man I approached me 208 00:10:06,791 --> 00:10:08,871 Speaker 2: on my way to the toilet at a university event 209 00:10:09,231 --> 00:10:11,951 Speaker 2: and just you're like, Kate, Kate, do you remember me? 210 00:10:12,071 --> 00:10:15,551 Speaker 2: And I did, and being able to see that for me, yes, 211 00:10:15,591 --> 00:10:17,991 Speaker 2: it was a job and it was meaningful, but it's 212 00:10:18,031 --> 00:10:20,191 Speaker 2: also had an impact on them and that these young 213 00:10:20,191 --> 00:10:24,311 Speaker 2: people are now adults mind blowing. But they're doing really 214 00:10:24,351 --> 00:10:26,711 Speaker 2: well and it's the next generation. It's paying it forward. 215 00:10:26,751 --> 00:10:29,111 Speaker 2: It's so beautiful, you know, Kate. 216 00:10:29,311 --> 00:10:32,391 Speaker 1: I've never actually sat for a moment and reflected on 217 00:10:32,431 --> 00:10:36,671 Speaker 1: the impact of what we did in those jobs way 218 00:10:36,711 --> 00:10:37,151 Speaker 1: back then. 219 00:10:37,911 --> 00:10:41,071 Speaker 3: And I guess being in business, your. 220 00:10:40,911 --> 00:10:44,551 Speaker 1: Life just changes completely and I don't even remember sometimes 221 00:10:44,591 --> 00:10:46,431 Speaker 1: of the jobs that I did before that. Just the 222 00:10:46,471 --> 00:10:51,471 Speaker 1: last ten years have been crazy. So you're running or 223 00:10:51,511 --> 00:10:55,671 Speaker 1: at the head of an organization that supports I guess 224 00:10:55,831 --> 00:11:01,191 Speaker 1: economic empowerment, supply diversity, and I want you to kind 225 00:11:01,231 --> 00:11:04,111 Speaker 1: of say it in your words of what what you 226 00:11:04,151 --> 00:11:07,271 Speaker 1: do at Supply Nation, But doesn't it make you really 227 00:11:07,351 --> 00:11:12,391 Speaker 1: proud to see more of our mobs starting businesses, especially 228 00:11:12,751 --> 00:11:17,791 Speaker 1: our women, our sisters, our mothers, and our aunties, our matriarchs. 229 00:11:18,071 --> 00:11:20,351 Speaker 2: You've hit the nail on the head, I think in 230 00:11:20,431 --> 00:11:23,431 Speaker 2: most families and in most communities, women have been doing this. 231 00:11:23,671 --> 00:11:26,831 Speaker 2: Women and men, but women are often the unsung heroes. 232 00:11:26,991 --> 00:11:29,431 Speaker 2: They've been doing this in one way, shape or form. 233 00:11:29,831 --> 00:11:32,271 Speaker 2: What I think Supply Nation has been good at doing 234 00:11:32,311 --> 00:11:35,511 Speaker 2: over the past fifteen years is really shining. 235 00:11:35,191 --> 00:11:37,231 Speaker 4: A spotlight on that there are. 236 00:11:37,071 --> 00:11:39,791 Speaker 2: Businesses that might be mom and dad working in a 237 00:11:39,791 --> 00:11:41,951 Speaker 2: spare room on a weekend just to pay a little 238 00:11:41,991 --> 00:11:45,991 Speaker 2: bit extra money. And then there are these incredible biicoastal, 239 00:11:46,311 --> 00:11:48,831 Speaker 2: multimillion dollar organizations. But at the end of the day, 240 00:11:48,831 --> 00:11:52,511 Speaker 2: they're entrepreneurs. They are providing for their families, they are 241 00:11:52,551 --> 00:11:56,511 Speaker 2: creating pathways for their children. But Mob's been getting this 242 00:11:56,551 --> 00:12:00,111 Speaker 2: done for a long time. We just necessarily haven't called 243 00:12:00,191 --> 00:12:02,191 Speaker 2: us for what it is business exactly. It was just 244 00:12:02,231 --> 00:12:04,831 Speaker 2: paying the bills, It was just food on the table. 245 00:12:04,831 --> 00:12:07,311 Speaker 2: It wasn't all Now you're an entrepreneur, and I love that. 246 00:12:07,391 --> 00:12:10,111 Speaker 2: I love that it's been elevated. And I have the 247 00:12:10,151 --> 00:12:14,991 Speaker 2: privilege of working with over fivey three hundred Indigenous businesses 248 00:12:15,351 --> 00:12:18,351 Speaker 2: that Supply Nation is verified. Those numbers are just going 249 00:12:18,391 --> 00:12:20,391 Speaker 2: through the roof. So we're fifteen years old. We just 250 00:12:20,431 --> 00:12:24,351 Speaker 2: had our fifteenth birthday party a few months ago. We 251 00:12:24,431 --> 00:12:27,991 Speaker 2: have over eight hundred and twenty corporate members, so corporate, 252 00:12:28,031 --> 00:12:31,471 Speaker 2: government and nonprofit we might call them buyers, and our 253 00:12:31,511 --> 00:12:34,711 Speaker 2: Indigenous businesses are our sellers. And we act not only 254 00:12:34,751 --> 00:12:37,471 Speaker 2: as a verification body to make sure that black businesses 255 00:12:37,511 --> 00:12:40,471 Speaker 2: are black businesses under their NI double A so the 256 00:12:40,471 --> 00:12:45,511 Speaker 2: government definition of fifty percent or more Indigenous owned as 257 00:12:45,591 --> 00:12:47,911 Speaker 2: well as so and then matching buyers and sellers. And 258 00:12:47,951 --> 00:12:50,071 Speaker 2: we try to be a little bit more e harmony 259 00:12:50,751 --> 00:12:52,071 Speaker 2: than Tinder, So we try. 260 00:12:51,911 --> 00:12:54,871 Speaker 4: To have a love harmony j IV a little bit more. 261 00:12:54,671 --> 00:12:58,871 Speaker 2: Like long lasting meaningful relationships where possible, because we think 262 00:12:58,911 --> 00:13:01,551 Speaker 2: that's how it works best for buyers and sellers is 263 00:13:01,911 --> 00:13:03,471 Speaker 2: and that's the way that blackfellows do business. 264 00:13:03,711 --> 00:13:04,711 Speaker 4: We get to know each other. 265 00:13:04,991 --> 00:13:07,671 Speaker 2: It's based on values, it's based on communications, it's based 266 00:13:07,711 --> 00:13:08,151 Speaker 2: on trust. 267 00:13:08,191 --> 00:13:10,311 Speaker 4: Of course, there's always space for a. 268 00:13:10,351 --> 00:13:12,591 Speaker 2: Deals of deals and a sales of sale, but we 269 00:13:12,751 --> 00:13:15,391 Speaker 2: like to get down. We like to know, like talk 270 00:13:15,431 --> 00:13:17,791 Speaker 2: to each other to understand where you're coming from and 271 00:13:19,111 --> 00:13:23,671 Speaker 2: exactly if you can connect on a values basis, then 272 00:13:23,711 --> 00:13:24,991 Speaker 2: it is better for business. 273 00:13:26,271 --> 00:13:28,551 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you in your short time, 274 00:13:28,631 --> 00:13:30,271 Speaker 1: like you've been there about two years. 275 00:13:30,231 --> 00:13:31,791 Speaker 4: Not even about fifteen months. 276 00:13:31,991 --> 00:13:33,751 Speaker 1: I'm just going to say, you know, in the short 277 00:13:33,871 --> 00:13:37,551 Speaker 1: time that you've been the CEO at Supply Nation, what 278 00:13:37,751 --> 00:13:41,631 Speaker 1: has been one of your I don't know, not biggest achievements. 279 00:13:42,071 --> 00:13:43,191 Speaker 3: What are you most proud of? 280 00:13:44,631 --> 00:13:48,711 Speaker 4: That's really tricky. 281 00:13:51,991 --> 00:13:55,631 Speaker 2: I'm really proud to have reopened our offices nationally, so 282 00:13:55,671 --> 00:13:58,511 Speaker 2: we now have people in every single state and territory 283 00:13:58,551 --> 00:14:02,191 Speaker 2: except Tasmania working on that. We've now got offices in 284 00:14:02,271 --> 00:14:05,831 Speaker 2: most capital cities. We had those many years ago, but 285 00:14:05,911 --> 00:14:07,951 Speaker 2: then COVID came and you know, there was a. 286 00:14:08,031 --> 00:14:09,391 Speaker 4: Change for so many businesses. 287 00:14:09,431 --> 00:14:11,991 Speaker 2: But I really want Supply Nation to not be a 288 00:14:12,031 --> 00:14:16,471 Speaker 2: Sydney centric or an East Coast centric organization. So taking 289 00:14:16,591 --> 00:14:20,511 Speaker 2: Connect our Australia's largest indigenous business event. We host it 290 00:14:20,551 --> 00:14:23,391 Speaker 2: every year in August, to take that out of Sydney 291 00:14:23,871 --> 00:14:25,671 Speaker 2: and to take it to me engine to Brisbane. This 292 00:14:25,791 --> 00:14:28,191 Speaker 2: year only a few months ago, it was a little 293 00:14:28,191 --> 00:14:30,311 Speaker 2: bit of a swing, you know, it wasn't sure how 294 00:14:30,351 --> 00:14:32,911 Speaker 2: that was going to go, but it was our biggest 295 00:14:32,951 --> 00:14:34,791 Speaker 2: and dare I say best connect. 296 00:14:34,831 --> 00:14:36,711 Speaker 4: Yeah. We had four thousand people through the door. 297 00:14:37,151 --> 00:14:39,751 Speaker 2: We drove over two point one million dollars of economic 298 00:14:40,351 --> 00:14:44,151 Speaker 2: input into the Local Economy two hundred and ten exhibitors, 299 00:14:44,271 --> 00:14:49,351 Speaker 2: half of which were from Queensland. It was an overwhelming success. 300 00:14:49,431 --> 00:14:52,151 Speaker 2: So being able to show that we can do that 301 00:14:52,551 --> 00:14:55,551 Speaker 2: in Brisbane, well, I think we can do that anyway. 302 00:14:55,431 --> 00:14:58,591 Speaker 1: Exactly because Brisbane's still seen as a little country town. 303 00:14:59,671 --> 00:15:03,951 Speaker 1: My cousin's me from Redfinissa call us country Bumpkins. So 304 00:15:04,111 --> 00:15:06,711 Speaker 1: if you could take this massive event from the ICC 305 00:15:07,471 --> 00:15:11,231 Speaker 1: and the hardest Sydney to Brisbane and still create that impact, 306 00:15:11,871 --> 00:15:13,511 Speaker 1: then that's pretty deadly right. 307 00:15:14,031 --> 00:15:15,311 Speaker 3: So where too? 308 00:15:15,471 --> 00:15:20,351 Speaker 1: From here Supply Nation, you're taking Supply Nation to you know, 309 00:15:20,791 --> 00:15:23,071 Speaker 1: around the country, setting those officers up and having that 310 00:15:23,151 --> 00:15:26,791 Speaker 1: visibility and making sure that people can engage and connect 311 00:15:26,871 --> 00:15:28,631 Speaker 1: and build relationship with some of those staff. 312 00:15:29,271 --> 00:15:30,271 Speaker 3: When else is happening? 313 00:15:30,311 --> 00:15:35,951 Speaker 1: Is there any news, any research papers, something exciting you 314 00:15:35,991 --> 00:15:37,231 Speaker 1: want to share or you can't share? 315 00:15:37,391 --> 00:15:39,751 Speaker 2: Oh? No, of course, We've had actually quite a few 316 00:15:39,791 --> 00:15:41,791 Speaker 2: research papers in the last couple of months alone. So 317 00:15:41,831 --> 00:15:44,471 Speaker 2: we did a legacy piece that sort of tracks the 318 00:15:44,511 --> 00:15:47,951 Speaker 2: impact of supply diversity over the last fifteen years and 319 00:15:48,031 --> 00:15:51,231 Speaker 2: also starts a conversation around mega trends like what's going 320 00:15:51,271 --> 00:15:54,671 Speaker 2: on in business, what's coming Because what we observe is 321 00:15:54,671 --> 00:15:57,991 Speaker 2: that the majority of our indigenous businesses are owned operators. 322 00:15:58,271 --> 00:16:00,271 Speaker 2: They're in there, they're running it. If something goes wrong, 323 00:16:00,351 --> 00:16:03,591 Speaker 2: it's all hands on deck. And when we are privy 324 00:16:03,711 --> 00:16:06,551 Speaker 2: to all this knowledge and these insights and these conversations, 325 00:16:07,311 --> 00:16:10,031 Speaker 2: we have a role not only to share that with 326 00:16:10,151 --> 00:16:13,391 Speaker 2: our indigenous businesses, but to do it in a way. 327 00:16:13,271 --> 00:16:14,831 Speaker 4: That's digestible for them. 328 00:16:15,231 --> 00:16:17,991 Speaker 2: The average entrepreneur does not have an hour and a 329 00:16:18,031 --> 00:16:20,671 Speaker 2: half and read forty two pages of research. They want something, 330 00:16:20,671 --> 00:16:22,671 Speaker 2: they want it short, they want it sharp. Tell me 331 00:16:22,751 --> 00:16:24,511 Speaker 2: what I need to do. Tell me what's the one 332 00:16:24,551 --> 00:16:26,791 Speaker 2: thing you need me to know about AI. What's the 333 00:16:26,831 --> 00:16:28,431 Speaker 2: one thing I need to know about ESG? 334 00:16:28,751 --> 00:16:30,871 Speaker 4: What is ESG? And why should I care? 335 00:16:31,271 --> 00:16:35,391 Speaker 2: So we're trying to do more research that's short and 336 00:16:35,511 --> 00:16:40,431 Speaker 2: sharp and has a very clear benefit to the intended beneficiaries. 337 00:16:41,031 --> 00:16:43,711 Speaker 2: We're also going to have a new social return on investment. 338 00:16:43,791 --> 00:16:46,071 Speaker 2: So we have a much quoted piece of research called 339 00:16:46,071 --> 00:16:49,831 Speaker 2: the Sleeping Giant from twenty nineteen that says for every 340 00:16:49,871 --> 00:16:52,471 Speaker 2: dollar that goes into an Indigenous business, that returns four 341 00:16:52,511 --> 00:16:56,751 Speaker 2: dollars forty one of economic, broader, economic and social value, 342 00:16:57,111 --> 00:16:59,631 Speaker 2: which is a fantastic stat but we're now in twenty 343 00:16:59,711 --> 00:17:02,991 Speaker 2: twenty four, almost in twenty twenty five, so we think 344 00:17:02,991 --> 00:17:05,871 Speaker 2: it's probably even higher than that. We're going to try 345 00:17:05,871 --> 00:17:08,071 Speaker 2: and do a re release of that next year. 346 00:17:08,591 --> 00:17:12,831 Speaker 1: And when you talk about the social impact right when, 347 00:17:12,911 --> 00:17:14,911 Speaker 1: and I talk about it in the Black Card training 348 00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:19,471 Speaker 1: all the time, why should we back indigenous businesses? And 349 00:17:19,511 --> 00:17:22,751 Speaker 1: that's I always talk about the dollar value, how much 350 00:17:22,871 --> 00:17:28,951 Speaker 1: money in terms of transactions between members and suppliers in 351 00:17:29,271 --> 00:17:30,311 Speaker 1: the last twelve months. 352 00:17:30,871 --> 00:17:34,111 Speaker 2: So in the last financial year financially twenty three twenty four, 353 00:17:34,151 --> 00:17:36,551 Speaker 2: it was four point six billion dollars, which was five 354 00:17:36,591 --> 00:17:39,791 Speaker 2: hundred million up on the previous year of four point 355 00:17:39,831 --> 00:17:43,471 Speaker 2: one billion. I mean, that's just a good number regardless. 356 00:17:43,471 --> 00:17:45,871 Speaker 2: But when you think about the economic conditions that we've 357 00:17:45,911 --> 00:17:49,351 Speaker 2: been having, not only in this country but globally, cost 358 00:17:49,351 --> 00:17:52,871 Speaker 2: of living crisis, a lot of major political events, to 359 00:17:53,071 --> 00:17:57,551 Speaker 2: see that Australia and Australian corporate, government and nonprofit organizations 360 00:17:57,551 --> 00:18:02,551 Speaker 2: have backed it up to four point six billion into families, 361 00:18:02,631 --> 00:18:03,551 Speaker 2: communities and business. 362 00:18:04,631 --> 00:18:06,031 Speaker 4: It's a very nice number. 363 00:18:05,871 --> 00:18:06,231 Speaker 3: It is. 364 00:18:06,271 --> 00:18:08,631 Speaker 1: And that's what I have to reiterate to a lot 365 00:18:08,671 --> 00:18:12,631 Speaker 1: of non abitional people that I engage with and Annie 366 00:18:12,671 --> 00:18:14,311 Speaker 1: Lillis says this all the time. 367 00:18:14,311 --> 00:18:15,551 Speaker 3: Like, we're not victims. 368 00:18:16,431 --> 00:18:20,031 Speaker 1: You know, Black fellows ran an entire country, like Abiginal 369 00:18:20,071 --> 00:18:22,911 Speaker 1: people ran this country not that long ago, and we 370 00:18:22,991 --> 00:18:26,871 Speaker 1: never invaded anyone and we had no armies and prisons 371 00:18:26,911 --> 00:18:30,951 Speaker 1: or police. And we've been here for millennia. So see 372 00:18:30,951 --> 00:18:34,311 Speaker 1: ourselves as owners and runners of country, not as victims, 373 00:18:34,951 --> 00:18:39,591 Speaker 1: and taking that into a business deal or negotiation. Having 374 00:18:39,671 --> 00:18:43,751 Speaker 1: that confidence and knowing your worth and your value that 375 00:18:43,791 --> 00:18:46,631 Speaker 1: you bring to the table. That takes time because you've 376 00:18:46,631 --> 00:18:48,231 Speaker 1: got to build those relationships. 377 00:18:48,751 --> 00:18:51,311 Speaker 3: So supply nation it is. 378 00:18:51,391 --> 00:18:53,991 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of Black Fellows that have 379 00:18:54,071 --> 00:18:56,831 Speaker 1: been engaging with supply nation. What would you say that 380 00:18:57,431 --> 00:19:01,071 Speaker 1: for mob that haven't engaged yet with supply nation? Is 381 00:19:01,111 --> 00:19:03,951 Speaker 1: there any kind of advice that you could give people 382 00:19:03,991 --> 00:19:07,511 Speaker 1: if they haven't yet decided whether or not supply nations 383 00:19:07,511 --> 00:19:07,871 Speaker 1: for them? 384 00:19:09,031 --> 00:19:11,711 Speaker 2: I think it's it's often even just breaking down some 385 00:19:11,751 --> 00:19:15,591 Speaker 2: of the misconceptions. It costs you absolutely nothing to be 386 00:19:15,631 --> 00:19:17,471 Speaker 2: a part of supply nation, and it never will. 387 00:19:17,551 --> 00:19:19,631 Speaker 4: That's something that we are very. 388 00:19:21,151 --> 00:19:24,831 Speaker 2: Very fundamentalist on is that if you're a registered or 389 00:19:24,871 --> 00:19:28,031 Speaker 2: a certified business it's a process to come and be 390 00:19:28,111 --> 00:19:30,471 Speaker 2: verified by us, of course, because we want to uphold 391 00:19:30,551 --> 00:19:33,111 Speaker 2: some very high standards to make sure that anyone we're 392 00:19:33,151 --> 00:19:36,111 Speaker 2: calling a black business is a black business under the 393 00:19:36,271 --> 00:19:40,591 Speaker 2: agreed upon government definitions. But when we are saying that 394 00:19:40,751 --> 00:19:45,871 Speaker 2: we've we've facilitated four point six billion dollars of impact, 395 00:19:47,671 --> 00:19:49,711 Speaker 2: why not be a part of that. We do training, 396 00:19:50,071 --> 00:19:53,271 Speaker 2: lots of free training for our indigenous supplies. We have 397 00:19:53,351 --> 00:19:57,631 Speaker 2: trade shows across the country, including Connect, which I mentioned earlier. 398 00:19:58,271 --> 00:20:01,311 Speaker 2: And there's business matching, so all of our members, corporate, 399 00:20:01,351 --> 00:20:05,311 Speaker 2: government and nonprofit, they have a dedicated relationship manager who 400 00:20:05,591 --> 00:20:09,671 Speaker 2: matches them with indigenous businesses to create a short list 401 00:20:09,751 --> 00:20:12,031 Speaker 2: or a long list for them to work through and 402 00:20:12,191 --> 00:20:15,711 Speaker 2: creates tangible opportunities. Why wouldn't you want to be a 403 00:20:15,711 --> 00:20:18,271 Speaker 2: penny jumpstart? Oh love jumpstart? 404 00:20:18,311 --> 00:20:21,271 Speaker 1: I know? Can you share with our listeners before we 405 00:20:21,351 --> 00:20:24,111 Speaker 1: wrap up this yarn? Because I think, you know, there's 406 00:20:24,111 --> 00:20:27,751 Speaker 1: there's people just think Connect. There's awards, there's a lot 407 00:20:27,751 --> 00:20:29,911 Speaker 1: of glamor, and it looks so you know, and it is. 408 00:20:29,991 --> 00:20:32,751 Speaker 1: It's a really good event. Every Connect event is pretty deadly. 409 00:20:34,071 --> 00:20:36,911 Speaker 1: But there's other programs. I love the fact that's research, right, 410 00:20:37,151 --> 00:20:41,631 Speaker 1: there's training, it's free to sign up. But jump start 411 00:20:41,911 --> 00:20:45,751 Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't actually utilized jump start yet, But 412 00:20:45,871 --> 00:20:48,831 Speaker 1: can you share with people why was jumpstart born? 413 00:20:48,951 --> 00:20:50,991 Speaker 3: Like, what was behind the thinking? 414 00:20:51,551 --> 00:20:54,591 Speaker 2: So Jumpstart was part of the recognition that, yes, we 415 00:20:54,671 --> 00:20:58,711 Speaker 2: want our members, our buyers to be continue spending money 416 00:20:58,751 --> 00:21:01,111 Speaker 2: on Indigenous businesses that is our bread and butter. Don't 417 00:21:01,111 --> 00:21:03,751 Speaker 2: stop doing that, yes, thank you, But also men, any 418 00:21:03,791 --> 00:21:05,951 Speaker 2: of them want to give back in other ways. And 419 00:21:05,991 --> 00:21:11,431 Speaker 2: we know that Indigenous entrepreneurs don't necessarily have entrepreneurship in 420 00:21:11,471 --> 00:21:14,671 Speaker 2: their family in a formal way. They don't often don't 421 00:21:14,711 --> 00:21:17,031 Speaker 2: have a formal qualification. They may not have an MBA 422 00:21:17,231 --> 00:21:19,791 Speaker 2: or a business degree, but they're really passionate about their 423 00:21:19,791 --> 00:21:22,831 Speaker 2: product or service and they might be delivering that at 424 00:21:22,831 --> 00:21:25,311 Speaker 2: different levels of scale. But if they want to grow, 425 00:21:26,111 --> 00:21:29,831 Speaker 2: they will need support and as they as I said, 426 00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:32,911 Speaker 2: busy entrepreneurs, they don't necessarily have the time to sign 427 00:21:32,991 --> 00:21:38,391 Speaker 2: up to extended extended programs. So we said, okay, let's 428 00:21:38,391 --> 00:21:41,271 Speaker 2: take some member organizations who have some very clever people 429 00:21:41,271 --> 00:21:44,431 Speaker 2: who are experts in a field, and let's see if 430 00:21:44,431 --> 00:21:46,631 Speaker 2: they want to mentor one on one some of these 431 00:21:46,631 --> 00:21:50,071 Speaker 2: indigenous businesses. So again we're acting as a matchmaker. We say, hey, 432 00:21:50,111 --> 00:21:53,071 Speaker 2: corporate and government organizations, have you got some clever people 433 00:21:53,231 --> 00:21:55,551 Speaker 2: that would like to spend some time. Maybe that's eight hours, 434 00:21:55,551 --> 00:21:59,791 Speaker 2: maybe that's twelve hours, maybe that's a week specifically focusing 435 00:22:00,191 --> 00:22:02,951 Speaker 2: on one particular problem of this indigenous business. So it's 436 00:22:02,991 --> 00:22:05,591 Speaker 2: not a broad meing program, it's what's your problem. Is 437 00:22:05,631 --> 00:22:08,951 Speaker 2: it pricing, is it procurement, is it marketing and media? 438 00:22:09,031 --> 00:22:09,671 Speaker 3: Is it pitching? 439 00:22:09,751 --> 00:22:12,991 Speaker 2: Social your financials? And then we match you up so 440 00:22:12,991 --> 00:22:16,191 Speaker 2: that you have a problem. We are not necessarily the 441 00:22:16,191 --> 00:22:18,111 Speaker 2: ones that are going to solve it as supplanation, that's 442 00:22:18,151 --> 00:22:20,031 Speaker 2: not our role, but we do want to act as 443 00:22:20,031 --> 00:22:22,071 Speaker 2: a concierge and help you find a solution. 444 00:22:22,471 --> 00:22:24,591 Speaker 1: I love this and for any of your mom that 445 00:22:24,631 --> 00:22:30,471 Speaker 1: are listening or watching this episode, really think about Supply Nation. 446 00:22:30,911 --> 00:22:34,871 Speaker 1: There's also iba into just business Australia. You can go 447 00:22:34,911 --> 00:22:39,471 Speaker 1: online and just Google to find out what supports out there. 448 00:22:39,511 --> 00:22:42,351 Speaker 1: If you're in startup mode or you've got an idea, 449 00:22:42,511 --> 00:22:45,151 Speaker 1: a lot of people just don't know where to go 450 00:22:45,311 --> 00:22:47,911 Speaker 1: and what to do first, so supply Nation is not 451 00:22:47,991 --> 00:22:50,751 Speaker 1: usually the first place you go to you've got to 452 00:22:50,831 --> 00:22:53,551 Speaker 1: actually kind of line your decks up, make sure you've 453 00:22:53,551 --> 00:22:57,071 Speaker 1: got a business and it's been operating. I think that's 454 00:22:57,071 --> 00:22:59,671 Speaker 1: part of the criteria right exactly exactly. 455 00:22:59,751 --> 00:23:02,991 Speaker 2: If you're a startup and you need support in terms 456 00:23:03,031 --> 00:23:06,031 Speaker 2: of how to write a budget, that's probably not our wheelhouse. 457 00:23:06,071 --> 00:23:08,831 Speaker 2: But we want to act with other stakeholders in the sector, 458 00:23:08,871 --> 00:23:11,751 Speaker 2: whether that's an indigenous Chamber of commerce, whether that's iba 459 00:23:11,871 --> 00:23:13,551 Speaker 2: that we can of course try and show you where 460 00:23:13,551 --> 00:23:16,231 Speaker 2: those pathways are. But where we sort of come into 461 00:23:16,231 --> 00:23:19,351 Speaker 2: the picture is where someone is already making around fifty 462 00:23:19,431 --> 00:23:21,631 Speaker 2: to eighty thousand dollars a year, that's probably when you 463 00:23:21,631 --> 00:23:24,031 Speaker 2: want to come and have a conversation with Supply Nation 464 00:23:24,831 --> 00:23:26,911 Speaker 2: and that's where we can start helping you on your 465 00:23:26,991 --> 00:23:27,751 Speaker 2: journey for growth. 466 00:23:27,911 --> 00:23:30,551 Speaker 1: That's pretty deadly just to know that around the fifty 467 00:23:30,631 --> 00:23:34,071 Speaker 1: to eighty k mark and then bring up Supply Nation 468 00:23:34,151 --> 00:23:36,471 Speaker 1: and reach out to someone and have a yarn. So 469 00:23:36,751 --> 00:23:40,271 Speaker 1: if you could give anyone any advice as a deadly 470 00:23:40,311 --> 00:23:43,031 Speaker 1: black woman, it's done a few things in your life 471 00:23:43,071 --> 00:23:45,151 Speaker 1: and now leading you know Supply Nation. 472 00:23:46,071 --> 00:23:49,471 Speaker 3: Just for yeah, just whether it's career advice. 473 00:23:51,711 --> 00:23:54,191 Speaker 1: You're a mum as well, you haven't talked about that, 474 00:23:54,671 --> 00:23:57,231 Speaker 1: you know, how do how do you keep kind of 475 00:23:58,071 --> 00:24:01,751 Speaker 1: balancing work life balance? And what could you share with 476 00:24:01,991 --> 00:24:06,831 Speaker 1: some other women and also just people in business on 477 00:24:07,031 --> 00:24:09,711 Speaker 1: trying to do that balance as well, because it's not 478 00:24:09,751 --> 00:24:11,831 Speaker 1: always easy and you're not going to always get it right. 479 00:24:12,311 --> 00:24:14,631 Speaker 3: So what have you learned? What can you share with us? 480 00:24:15,311 --> 00:24:17,391 Speaker 4: Look, I've learned that I'm definitely never going to get 481 00:24:17,391 --> 00:24:17,711 Speaker 4: it right. 482 00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:19,511 Speaker 2: But I try and sit myself down at the end 483 00:24:19,551 --> 00:24:22,831 Speaker 2: of every day and sort of say, Okay, what am 484 00:24:22,831 --> 00:24:25,471 Speaker 2: I really happy with, either in my role as a wife, 485 00:24:25,551 --> 00:24:28,631 Speaker 2: my role as a mom, my role as a community member, 486 00:24:28,751 --> 00:24:31,711 Speaker 2: or my role as a CEO. And there's always going 487 00:24:31,791 --> 00:24:34,391 Speaker 2: to be things like some days I hit it out 488 00:24:34,391 --> 00:24:36,151 Speaker 2: of the park as a CEO and like that was 489 00:24:36,191 --> 00:24:40,991 Speaker 2: a bloody good business day, but I growled at the 490 00:24:41,071 --> 00:24:43,751 Speaker 2: kids and I probably didn't need to do that. I 491 00:24:43,831 --> 00:24:46,271 Speaker 2: try and give myself an assessment of and be kind 492 00:24:46,271 --> 00:24:49,071 Speaker 2: to myself in doing that of saying, okay, so maybe 493 00:24:49,071 --> 00:24:52,151 Speaker 2: I wasn't the ten out of ten mum that I 494 00:24:52,231 --> 00:24:54,511 Speaker 2: wanted to be today, but here's what I think I 495 00:24:54,551 --> 00:24:57,351 Speaker 2: can do better. Here's how I can do that and 496 00:24:57,511 --> 00:25:00,271 Speaker 2: try and get give myself sort of a grade across 497 00:25:00,311 --> 00:25:02,311 Speaker 2: the board of all the different hats that I'm wearing, 498 00:25:02,391 --> 00:25:05,511 Speaker 2: to say, you know what, if I'm an seven or 499 00:25:05,511 --> 00:25:08,751 Speaker 2: an eight out of ten, most days, you don't pretty good. 500 00:25:08,871 --> 00:25:11,351 Speaker 2: I reckon I'm doing okay, that it's not going to 501 00:25:11,391 --> 00:25:13,111 Speaker 2: be ten out of ten. No one's ten out of 502 00:25:13,111 --> 00:25:15,431 Speaker 2: ten all the time. And to be a little kinder 503 00:25:15,471 --> 00:25:18,431 Speaker 2: with yourself. I think, particularly Black women, we wear so 504 00:25:18,551 --> 00:25:20,791 Speaker 2: many hats, we do so many things, and we feel 505 00:25:20,911 --> 00:25:21,631 Speaker 2: so much. 506 00:25:21,471 --> 00:25:24,591 Speaker 4: Pressure real or not. We put that pressure on ourselves. 507 00:25:24,631 --> 00:25:26,551 Speaker 4: Sometimes I just try. 508 00:25:26,591 --> 00:25:29,351 Speaker 2: I'm not always successful in doing this, but I try 509 00:25:29,391 --> 00:25:31,511 Speaker 2: and just be a little bit gentle with myself while 510 00:25:31,551 --> 00:25:34,551 Speaker 2: having an honest conversation around what went well and what 511 00:25:34,631 --> 00:25:37,471 Speaker 2: didn't go so well, and say tomorrow's another day I 512 00:25:37,871 --> 00:25:38,471 Speaker 2: get to do over. 513 00:25:38,791 --> 00:25:40,511 Speaker 3: Yeah, dust it off, get back up again. 514 00:25:41,111 --> 00:25:44,551 Speaker 1: Or one last question before I let you go, what 515 00:25:44,631 --> 00:25:46,151 Speaker 1: feels your cup or how. 516 00:25:46,031 --> 00:25:47,951 Speaker 3: Do you feel your cup? How do you keep your 517 00:25:47,991 --> 00:25:48,431 Speaker 3: cup full? 518 00:25:50,271 --> 00:25:53,511 Speaker 2: It sounds, it sounds a little bit lame, but right 519 00:25:53,511 --> 00:25:56,871 Speaker 2: now it's my baby's I've got, you know, five and two, 520 00:25:57,271 --> 00:26:00,111 Speaker 2: so they're still very small and I miss them horribly 521 00:26:00,151 --> 00:26:03,511 Speaker 2: when I'm traveling. But there is nothing I like more 522 00:26:03,831 --> 00:26:08,351 Speaker 2: than wrestling on the floor with them, cuddling, taking them swimming. 523 00:26:09,391 --> 00:26:12,271 Speaker 2: It's something that is always going to beautiful. But when 524 00:26:12,271 --> 00:26:13,871 Speaker 2: you don't get to do it as much as you want. 525 00:26:14,831 --> 00:26:16,871 Speaker 2: Walking through the door and having them run and give 526 00:26:16,911 --> 00:26:19,551 Speaker 2: you a cuddle, I know it's pretty good. 527 00:26:20,551 --> 00:26:21,151 Speaker 3: Babies. 528 00:26:21,671 --> 00:26:24,471 Speaker 1: Well, I think for a lot of us that don't 529 00:26:24,551 --> 00:26:26,871 Speaker 1: see you rolling around on the ground with your kids, 530 00:26:28,911 --> 00:26:33,231 Speaker 1: but see you out there, you know, either running the 531 00:26:33,271 --> 00:26:38,871 Speaker 1: show and at connect online. There's so much to us 532 00:26:38,911 --> 00:26:42,311 Speaker 1: that people don't see behind closed doors. So as I said, 533 00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:45,031 Speaker 1: thank you for taking time out of your business schedule 534 00:26:45,551 --> 00:26:47,511 Speaker 1: to just come on the podcast. 535 00:26:47,071 --> 00:26:47,751 Speaker 3: And have a yarn. 536 00:26:48,191 --> 00:26:49,111 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 537 00:26:49,271 --> 00:26:53,311 Speaker 3: You're welcome. Thank you. I could not believe that. 538 00:26:53,391 --> 00:26:56,751 Speaker 1: When Kate said to me, let's do the podcast, I 539 00:26:56,791 --> 00:27:00,151 Speaker 1: was like, I mean, I'm in Sydney, Let's let's let's 540 00:27:00,151 --> 00:27:00,791 Speaker 1: have this yarn. 541 00:27:01,111 --> 00:27:02,351 Speaker 3: It's been a long time coming. 542 00:27:02,791 --> 00:27:05,591 Speaker 1: I've always want to have a yarn with anyone at 543 00:27:05,631 --> 00:27:09,191 Speaker 1: Supply Nation, just so our community who come to me 544 00:27:09,231 --> 00:27:11,951 Speaker 1: a lot and ask me questions. Finally I can say, 545 00:27:11,991 --> 00:27:15,071 Speaker 1: now go check out this episode and listen to the 546 00:27:15,111 --> 00:27:17,631 Speaker 1: CEO and if you need to know more. We'll have 547 00:27:17,751 --> 00:27:22,351 Speaker 1: some of the websites and resources, especially that research, in 548 00:27:22,431 --> 00:27:24,791 Speaker 1: our show notes, But your Mob, I hope you've enjoyed 549 00:27:25,231 --> 00:27:29,111 Speaker 1: this yarn Until next time, By for now. If you'd 550 00:27:29,191 --> 00:27:32,311 Speaker 1: like any more info on today's guest, please visit our 551 00:27:32,351 --> 00:27:37,231 Speaker 1: show notes in the episode description. 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