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Speaker 1: unfolded is Carl b Isaac, who is indeed Tourism Central

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Speaker 1: Australia's chair and also business owner in Central Australia. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Carl, Hi Katie, how are you not

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Speaker 1: You and I spoke about this time a week ago

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately things have taken a turn for the worse

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Speaker 1: for you personally. Tell me what happened yesterday morning.

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Speaker 2: I certainly appreciate the media attention that I've received, but

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Speaker 2: regardless of that, I appreciate all the well wishes. What

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Speaker 2: I could clearly see they were stepping back and weren't

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Speaker 2: As I was doing so, customer, an old lady had

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I had provoked the situation at all.

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Speaker 2: I assumed that he was fleeing the scene. I walked

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Speaker 1: So, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, But as let me emphasize, this happens to

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Speaker 2: This is now my personal experience. So this is where

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Speaker 1: Carl, Are you okay?

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Speaker 2: Oh look, I'm rattled. I think anybody in those situations

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Speaker 2: Apart from that, I'm physically okay. But in saying that,

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't come into my thinking. But then later

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Speaker 1: And Karlov, no doubt that you know, as you've pointed out,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the situation is becoming more dire I think.

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Speaker 1: Carl, can I ask you? Know you and I were

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Speaker 2: Well, look at the assessing the situation obviously, but my

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Speaker 2: So again we're having the conversations, but we're not seeing

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Speaker 1: The assault, have you reported it to police and has

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Speaker 1: Honestly, Like when you think about what has happened to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's where we are, Katie. Unfortunately, that is

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Speaker 1: Carl, I don't even know what to say. I feel

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly the point it's being said. It's being

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Speaker 2: that there's no and again we work with government every opportunity,

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Speaker 2: every measure they employed we have supported. But we need

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Speaker 1: If the government doesn't respond and doesn't respond quickly, what

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Speaker 2: Fear in Alice? Essentially where we're heading. Alice Springs is

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Speaker 1: Carl Winn, are your next you to catch up with

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Speaker 2: To you, and not since my incident. But I do

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Speaker 2: So again we will meet, we will talk, our argument

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Speaker 1: Carl, your spot on, honestly, your spot on with what

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Speaker 1: same answers each and every day. That has to change.

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Speaker 1: There's got to be some action in this space, Carl,

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Speaker 1: I really for sure. Yeah, mate, I really appreciate your

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: I feel really bad for what you've gone through, and

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Speaker 1: I know that you've pointed out that others in the

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Speaker 1: community have gone through the same, but it just shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be happening.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And look, it's about we keep our focus and

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Speaker 2: it's getting the word out through your station and various

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Speaker 2: other means. We will keep on and our mantra remains

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Speaker 2: the same, make our town safe again for everybody, for

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Speaker 2: absolutely everybody.

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Speaker 1: Carl Bazac, the chair of Tourism Central Australia. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you