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Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner for the Darwin Region, Travis Worth.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to Youning Katy. How are you yeah, really good?

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning now, Assistant Commissioner,

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Speaker 1: A terrible week for those Territorians who did have their

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Speaker 1: cars stolen and were broken into last week, twenty nine cars,

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Speaker 2: What caused that spike?

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Speaker 3: So there were a number of different groups who weren't

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Speaker 3: just sort of culminated. We had two different groups, specifically

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Speaker 3: who's not quite as sophisticated and have to unlawfully enter

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Speaker 2: For use a vehicle as a consequence of that.

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Speaker 3: So that activity across that particular seventy two hour window

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Speaker 3: meant but all of those cars were startled. We've recovered

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Speaker 3: majority of those. Now there are a number that went

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Speaker 3: There's a number of other people beyond that have been

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Speaker 3: Friday morning until now, there's been eight unlawful entries reported

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Speaker 1: So before I get to what work the police have

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Speaker 2: A combination of both.

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Speaker 3: So the twenty two that you referenced earlier, nineteen of

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Speaker 3: those were used. A number of those youths were whether

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Speaker 2: Some have been placed on remands, some are on bail.

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Speaker 3: Is it right, yes, So there's a large cross section

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Speaker 1: Are you just scratching your head when something like that happens,

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Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately, none of this is new for the police

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Speaker 1: There will definitely be people listening this morning thinking, how

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Speaker 3: Well, it happens in multiple different parts, So some young

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of work that has been ongoing for

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Speaker 3: Doesn't justify their behavior whatsoever, It's inappropriate entirely. Continue to

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Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner. We do seem to have seen over recent

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Speaker 3: But we are still seeing lots of people return to country.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a situation I guess like we did

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Speaker 3: So there's always seven hundred people living rough across Guanidal.

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Speaker 2: As a consequence, there are still a core group of

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Speaker 3: Week on week. It's not any greater. It's just the

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Speaker 3: So we're not necessarily an increase in the volume of calls.

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Speaker 3: We have to prioritize jobs. We've had this conversation before.

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Speaker 1: aggravated assault incident at a community event in Nightcliffe on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Do you have much further detail about what's gone on there.

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Speaker 1: It seems as though somebody has been arrested.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there was an assault that occurred. The people that

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Speaker 3: and a forty one year old male has been charged

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great example of how quickly the

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Speaker 1: police do work and do get out there when they

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Speaker 1: are required. Hey, on the situation with those vehicles being stolen,

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Speaker 1: I know that for plenty of people. If you're on TikTok,

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Speaker 1: social media and sharing that vision is that a concern

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Speaker 2: Well, it's always been a concern, not just at the moment.

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Speaker 3: It leads to copycat behavior, it leads to acceptance of

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Speaker 3: the behavior in certain segments of the community.

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Speaker 2: It's not acceptable whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: We work obviously very closely with those service providers, but

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Speaker 3: it's not something we can actually take down of TikTok

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Speaker 3: just like that, or Facebook or anyth the others.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing to me, hey, like you know with those

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Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all, And it makes our job even

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Speaker 3: it's just nothing but dangerous and disgraceful and unacceptable. It

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Speaker 3: actually helps us investigate these crimes too, because they don't

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Speaker 3: cover their phases necessarily, so we know who's doing what.

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Speaker 2: And we use that as evidence against them.

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Speaker 3: So we don't want them using social media, but when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that is good to hear in that sense. Now,

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Speaker 1: before I let you go, I know that there is

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Speaker 3: Look not necessarily but it's been given more airtime, so

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Speaker 3: I can tell you that I've had some of my

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Speaker 3: looks like for us. It's not just knives. Weapons can

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Speaker 1: So now before I let you go, I know that

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Speaker 1: you did. You'd spoken about this before, you had talked

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Speaker 1: who are maybe thinking to themselves, you know, twenty nine

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Speaker 1: was just going back looking at those figures. What is

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Speaker 1: just seems like it's out of control. It seems as though,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, that's so very true.

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Speaker 3: And we're our partner agency, Neighborhood Watch NT and Northern

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Speaker 3: Charity Police have done some messaging and it's an eight

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Speaker 3: point safety preparation plan in essence and without going through

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Speaker 3: have been victimized themselves. Everyone needs to be aware of

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Speaker 3: make sure that everything is locked and secure. You keep

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Speaker 3: And as I've described previously, two groups of people, one

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Speaker 3: and every other vehicle now that's got an immobilizer. The

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Speaker 3: Particularly for businesses, if you've got lots of cars parking

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Speaker 3: to change the behavior. Unfortunately, because of a small cross

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Speaker 3: careful about making sure our own business areas and our

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Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner Travis Worst always appreciate your time. Thanks very

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Speaker 1: much for coming in this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Caatie, Thank you,