1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: We know that an incredible territory and is going to 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: be well, leading a team heading across to help remove 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: cataracts and provide other treatment to restore vision to hundreds 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: of residents in Cambodia. Now, Helen somers Am joins me 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: on the line. Oh, dear, I think I'm having an 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: issue there with the phone line. Hopefully I've got a 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: good morning, Helen. 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: Oh hi is that you, Katie? 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Yes it is. Can you hear me? 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: Yes? Thank you? 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Oh, it's lovely to have you on the show. Now, Helen, 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: you and a team are organized to head across to 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Cambodia to remove cataracts and provide other treatment to restore 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: vision to hundreds of residents. How many are heading across 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: as part of the team to go to Cambodia, We have. 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: It about fifty professionals Allied Health, nurses, doctors, ALAID Health, 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: plus probably another fifty some of who will live in Cambodi, 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: which shows support adding as meals, transport for the patient 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: to the hospital, setting up there, bedding and things like that, 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: feeding them, interpreters which are very valuable registrations. So it's 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: probably about one hundred and the whole team over the 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: eight days and we'll see over four thousand people. 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: Wow, Helen, so are you over there yet? Well, Wendy, 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: you head across. 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: I go tomorrow evening tomorrow. We go earlier to help 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: set out And how. 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Many of that team of around one hundred of Territorians. 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: There's two of us going this year. We've got two 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: optometrists from Darwin. We have a team of twelve, which 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: is the largest group we've had. I organized the optometry team, 31 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: four authopters, nine surgeons, twenty five nurses and so on. 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: But most of them are spread across Australia. But it's 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: great to have the Northern Territory represented. 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: Yes, Helen, that is incredible. What made you start doing 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: this and how long have you been doing it? 36 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: This had been my fifth year. Yeah, it is a 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: huge need over there. These people are incredibly humble. They 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: wait for twelve months sometimes to see us if they've 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: missed out the previous year. They'll wait patiently all day. 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: We start at six thirty in the morning and there'll 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: be six hundred people waiting to see us. So we 42 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: make up six hundred glasses. We'll do over six hundred 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: cataract surgeries, will give away over eighteen hundred ready made glasses. 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: It really is the gift of site and impacts their 45 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: life so much because if we don't get their cataracts out, 46 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: and these cataracts are more advanced than the cataracts we'd 47 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: see in Australia, as in we have them done quite 48 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: early in comparison, and therefore the surgery itself is more complicated, 49 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: and we're talking about doing it with less standard equipment 50 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: than we would have in our Australian hospital. So our 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: surgeons obviously have to be very experienced in very skill, 52 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: which they are. But if we don't get the cataracts out, 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: that grandmother or parent will have to be cared by 54 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: their children and those children will not be educated. So 55 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: the impact on their lives is huge. And as I say, 56 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: they sometimes work for walk for days. They will sit 57 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: there all day long until they're seen, and Australians can 58 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: learn a lot from this. They're so humble, they just 59 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: sit there and wait. There's no phones, they're very, very poor, 60 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: they just sit and wait for their turn. They're incredibly grateful. 61 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: Helen, what an incredible thing to do to be involved with. 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: So you coordinate these from the Northern Territory. 63 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: I organize the optometry teams and go over earlier. There's 64 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: a small group of us who go over and help 65 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: set up, and we'll have a lot of Cambodian setting 66 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: up because we'll use a lot of outside areas, so 67 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: they'll be putting up marquees and always they make a 68 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: beauty with curtains and bows and rhythms and things like that. 69 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: And the locals there, you know, provide the fresh food 70 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: and bring that in. So it's we also collect well, 71 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: besides already made glasses, we collect pre love glasses. So 72 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: everybody's pre loved glasses is somebody else's gift of sight. Wow, 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: So it's you know, we can all give. We do 74 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: a lot of fundraising as well. Everyone is a volunteer 75 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: and we're totally reliant on sponsors and gifts. 76 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: This is this is blowing my mind, Helen, hearing that 77 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: you go across and do this every year, and you know, 78 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: hearing what you and a wonderful group of people have 79 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: been doing for the last five years. How did you 80 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: go across to Cambodia, you know a few years ago 81 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: and realize the need or what sort of made you 82 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: get this all started? 83 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: This Cambodia Vision were set up about fifteen years ago 84 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: and the founders are all you may, survivors of the 85 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 2: Camerouge many years ago, and they're Cambodians. So we have 86 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: a lot of Cambodians living in Australia who are involved 87 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: in setting it up. And I'm just a volunteer in 88 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: that team. So there's you know, it's been going on 89 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: for some people have been you know, there might be 90 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: their tenth or twelth visit over there lay every October. 91 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: I love that you say you're just a volunteer. You 92 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: are literally helping to restore people's site. You're helping people 93 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: to be able to see again. Helen, You're a bloody legend, 94 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: is what i'd call you. 95 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 2: I thanks Katie that. It's the impact of vision is 96 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: just huge on people's lives. It really is. In fact, 97 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: I'll just tell you a little story. We had two children. 98 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: We're not set up to see children over there. We 99 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 2: don't have wits. When you have cataract surgery, the eyes 100 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: just blocked. You might say you don't feel anything, you 101 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: won't remember anything, but it's not a general anesthetic. And 102 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: we had two children, so we're not set up for children, 103 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: and one child had a nine years old had a 104 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: turned eye, so in their world she looked funny and 105 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: she would be an outcast and she would not be 106 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: able to get married. And the other child had a 107 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: white pupil, meaning she had a very mature cataract. But 108 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: while when they did when we have a very mature cataract, 109 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: they do a scan to see if there's any lesions 110 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: behind the cataract to see if it's worthwhile being to 111 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: be removed. And in Australia, you know, you wouldn't remove 112 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: it if there was something there. Anyway, while are doing 113 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: the scans, we lost power, so they didn't have the 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 2: final result was it worthwhile taking out this white cataract? Anyway, 115 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: they did the surgery anyway, and it didn't restore her sight, 116 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: but it did make her look normal because she did 117 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: have a retinal attachment there, so she looked normal. And 118 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: the other little girl had her eyes straight. And so 119 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: these two little girls had huge impacts on their lives 120 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: because suddenly they weren't going to be outcasts anymore. They 121 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: would be able to live a normal life as their 122 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: parents as well. That's incredible, just you know, vision is 123 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: not always something funny. Eyes over there is an outcast. 124 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: If you're a size twelve over there, you're regarded as 125 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: obese and you're probably a diabetic. Trying to get access 126 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: to diabetic care is really really hard. You know, our 127 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: health standards in Australia we need to be so grateful for. 128 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: And so next time we're twiddling and saying, oh, we're 129 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: waiting too long to have that appointment, we need to 130 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: sort of think. These people wait for days, the months, 131 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: and they will sit there all day long. So we've 132 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: seen too many people today. They'll come back tomorrow again 133 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: at six o'clock and wait again until they're seen. 134 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: Well, Helen, what's it like then as well? You knows, 135 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: as you're you know, as you're obviously helping people and 136 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: they're wearing glasses for the first time, or they're getting glasses, 137 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: or you know, they're having those cataracts removed and they're 138 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: literally seeing properly for the first time in goodness knows 139 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: how long. What's the reaction like from people? 140 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: Oh, it is just incredible because they're suddenly saying, Wow, 141 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: I can see my wife for the first time, or wow, 142 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: I can see the skies, or I can see my 143 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: sister again, so they and they all come with support people. 144 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: But it's incredible when you take they're all sitting out 145 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: there waiting for us at six thirty in the morning. 146 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: We need to have the bandages removed from their cataract surgery. 147 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: And then you know, once we take that off and 148 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: you know, we're outside doing this and they're just yeah, 149 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: they're usually very overwhelmed and they're incredibly grateful. 150 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's it like for you? You know, you're 151 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: sort of touched on this. We live in a very 152 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, we live in a very fortunate place here 153 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: in Australia, and sometimes I guess we maybe lose a 154 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: bit of that, you know, lose a bit of that 155 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: understanding because we just don't realize how lucky we are. 156 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: I suppose to be able to, you know, to go 157 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: and see somebody, see an optometrist, go and see a 158 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: health professional when we need to. You know, what's it 159 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: like for you then working in a place like cambody 160 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: are volunteering over there with a group of others and 161 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: being able to help people in this way. 162 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think you realize that you can't not go back. 163 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: There's no reason why the need is there. I can 164 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: go back, and I must go back, you know, and 165 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: we need to bring more people on this journey. So 166 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: it's you know, obviously we you come away totally appreciative 167 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: of our standard of care in Australia and you know 168 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: the fact that we can get an appointment with a specialist. 169 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: It might be in two months time, but we can 170 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: see a specialist where these people they don't have access 171 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: to anything. You know, our surgery is next to the 172 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: maternity hospital, and if you don't have fifty dollars, then 173 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: you won't have a bed to have a baby, which 174 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: means if you don't have help, maybe you know, that 175 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: baby may not make it or the white the mother 176 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: doesn't get the assistance she needs if you need if 177 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: you need to have a cesarian or surgery and you 178 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 2: don't have us dollars, then again it might only be 179 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty, but you're not going to have 180 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: access to the care and even just the basic you know, 181 00:09:54,760 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: sanity product products and just totally total basic hygiene they 182 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: just don't have access to. 183 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: Helen is there, you know. I know for some of 184 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: our listeners this morning, they're going to be hearing this 185 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: for the first time and they're going to be thinking, 186 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: oh goodness, me, is there any way that I can 187 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: donate or is there any way that I can help 188 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: in some way? And it may be too late for 189 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: these troops, but you know, but is there somewhere where 190 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: people can go for a little bit more information if 191 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: they are thinking. 192 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: That way, well, they can follow certainly follow the Journey 193 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: of Cambodia Vision on Facebook. It isn't a charity organization, 194 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: totally nonprofit. All of that money, you know, goes to 195 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 2: helping others over there. We have some very generous Cambodians 196 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: you know, with us and we do three fundraisers, but 197 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: it'd be great to do with some sort of fundraiser 198 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: in Darwin. But otherwise we can also just make sure 199 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: if your pre loved glasses are no use to you anymore, 200 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: they could be someone else's gift a site, So it's 201 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 2: really important to be able to give. And there's plenty 202 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 2: of areas of where they can drop off their glasses 203 00:10:59,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: as well. 204 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: Now Wendy's message through and she said, Hi, Katie, I'd 205 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: love to know were in Cambodia, Helen is. I'm just 206 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: curious as I go there often and it is truly 207 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Wonder, says Wendy. 208 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 2: We're going to Camponchang again this year. They have been 209 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: to different areas around Cambodia, and then the discussion was, well, 210 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: if we've helped all these people, give them the site 211 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: in one eye, because sometimes you know, they come in 212 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: with total blindness, total blackness, they're living in blackness. To 213 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: give them the site in one eye, should we be 214 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: doing the other either following year, or should we go 215 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: to another area and giving someone the gift of sight 216 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: in one eye. So the discussion will be depending on infrastructure. 217 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: We're relying on what that local council can offer us 218 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: as far as we're working out in a school for 219 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: our our vision side. And then we have the hospital 220 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: with the surgery at an old hospital there. If they 221 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: decide to do renovations, then we need to find another venue. 222 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: We're at the side of another hospital which was used 223 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: in Cove and that was empty, but then it was demolished, 224 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: so we had to find another site because it became 225 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: a hotel. So you know, each year it's not like, oh, 226 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: we know this is permanent. We will be assessing each 227 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: time where we will be Yeah. 228 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: Well, Helen, it is wonderful to speak to you this morning. 229 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: I love hearing about territori Ands doing incredible stuff and 230 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: I tell you what you absolutely are. How fantastic to 231 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: speak to you and to hear what you're up to. 232 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Katie. Thank you for your listeners 233 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: as well. 234 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks so much for your time and all 235 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: the best. And yeah, it be interested to hear how 236 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: it goes. 237 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: Want you back, sure, I'd love to tell you about 238 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 2: it yet. 239 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, Helen. Lovely to talk to you this morning. 240 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Really appreciate your time.