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Speaker 1: Good morning to your lead.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning. Now, Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: Now, a couple of quick ones to get through again.

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Speaker 1: I know we're very pressed for time, so I want

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Speaker 1: to move quickly. It was last week reported the territories

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Speaker 1: That's according to Australia's Energy regulator. Despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: we sit between two of the world's largest gas prospects,

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, are we in a situation here where we

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Speaker 1: could end up having to purchase gas from other.

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Speaker 2: States absolutely and it's a travesty. Are just how embarrassing

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Speaker 2: and ridiculous that we are having to look to purchase

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Speaker 2: we have incredible, vast offshow resources. And again this comes

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Speaker 2: at all, without any clear plans. And this all links

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Speaker 2: back to cost of living when territory and think well,

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Speaker 2: how does this economy affect me? It affects you every

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Speaker 2: when we talk about having a strong economy and doing

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Speaker 2: what we need to get it going, it's because literally

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Speaker 1: Seriously going to need to purchase gas from Queensland and

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Speaker 1: how soon?

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Speaker 2: Well, we're looking at it. It is an option that

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Speaker 2: we've had to not us in the last twelve weeks.

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Speaker 2: This is something the previous government knew full well about,

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Speaker 2: which is even more astonishing that they didn't get cracking

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Speaker 2: with Betloo. So there are a number of gas agreements

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Speaker 2: cost us to buy gas from queens So do we have.

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Speaker 1: Any idea how much that might cost.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I know it will be more

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Speaker 2: than our own gas, Katie, And that's the biggest stroke.

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Speaker 2: Could that be happening, Well, it just depends, honestly. There

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Speaker 2: are a number of contingencies in play. It could be

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Speaker 2: because you know what, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: want to put the aircon on, turn the lights on,

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Speaker 2: and you have every right to do that. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we can't say, going for confidence that will happen.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Opposition's Chancey Paik is taking to social media

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Speaker 1: to ask territorians to join him outside Parliament House tomorrow

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Speaker 1: morning to protest the Territory coordinator role. He's described it

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Speaker 1: we'll join us to stand against this dangerous overreach. Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: is this role and overreach?

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Speaker 2: I want to do some really clear fact checking on this, Katie,

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Speaker 2: because labor should really close their mouth and get out

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Speaker 2: because they have ruined it for a generation of Territorians.

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Speaker 2: The Territory coordinator would do things like this, and this

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Speaker 2: is a real life example. If you are a solar farm.

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Speaker 2: You want to develop a solar farm, you would have

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Speaker 2: to get a non pastoral use permit, a land clearing permit,

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Speaker 2: would require you, the person wanting to build a solar farm,

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Speaker 2: to do public consultation. What the Territory coordinator will be

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Speaker 2: able to do is recognize, okay, there are three processes there,

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Speaker 2: all requiring community consultation. Why don't we make that one

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Speaker 2: in one go. Does that sound crazy to anyone listening?

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Speaker 2: I don't I mean we are looking for feedback, but

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Speaker 2: to me that sounds like a smart efficient use of time,

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Speaker 2: where then actually territories have better consultation because you get

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Speaker 2: coming back at different points, and you've got greater oversight

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Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about. I don't know what Labour's

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Speaker 2: talking about, Katie, and quite frankly talking in the wind, Well, look.

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Speaker 1: Will if I'm sure if anybody wants to get in

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Speaker 1: contact with us on that they can really quickly. We

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Speaker 1: know that the controversial unveiling of the Cyclone Tracing monument

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Speaker 1: or art installation is happening on Friday. Are you attended.

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Speaker 2: No, I won't be attending that one, Katie, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure many people will be at this point. Look

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Speaker 2: what a saga. And it's a shame because this is

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Speaker 2: a really special important time, the fiftieth commemoration of Cyclone Tracy,

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Speaker 2: and there are a lot of commemorative events. There was

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Speaker 2: an ad again in the paper, I think on Saturday

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Speaker 2: or Sunday, So if you do want to see what's available,

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Speaker 2: and everyone has a very personal and different approach to this,

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Speaker 2: and some people don't want to hear about it, don't

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Speaker 2: want to know about it, and we respect all of it.

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Speaker 2: So if you are keen, have a look at what's

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Speaker 2: something on Saturday at the Ski Club. There's a wide

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Speaker 1: We had Richard Creswick on about that last week as well.

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Speaker 1: Really quick one, Katie, can you ask the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: or we're going to keep a reserve of gas for ourselves?

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Speaker 1: So I thought we were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we don't have there is no gas reservation.

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Speaker 2: Labor didn't keep gas reservation, but what they did right

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Speaker 2: we're certainly looking going forward. How can we secure the

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Speaker 2: like many other messes we've inherited Katie.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. We better leave it there. I know your

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Speaker 1: press for time. Thank you so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Take care everyone,