1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: Our next guest is a literary sensation. He is a 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 2: master storyteller. His work has captured the hearts of readers 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: world wide. From his best selling novels Boys, Swallows, Universe 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: and All Our Shimmering Skies to his compelling features in 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: the Weekend Australian magazine, Trent Dalton has proven time and 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 2: time again he is a force to be reckoned with. 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: He's got a new book out called Lola in the Mirror. 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: We are both thrilled to have him on the show. 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Trent Dalton, Hello, Hey, Amanda, Hey Jonesy. It's such an 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: honor to be talking to you guys. 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we as both such big fans. And what a 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 2: trajectory you have had from a newspaper journo to a 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: world famous author. What have been some of your pinch 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: me moments, because you're still such a regular guy, it seems, 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: what have been the moments where you go, I can't 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: believe this is happening. 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: Ah this honestly, Can I tell you what's not in 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: b a small as universe, in that world of drugs 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: and holes in the walls and blood on the floor. 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: Is the Dalton Boys watching you? Amanda and one of 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: the Landry Denton and making us laugh and taking us 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: away from all that nonsense and so this but yeah, 24 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: like you know, pinch me in terms of the show 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: they're turning, you know, Netflix are turning that book into 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: this show that my wife and kids and I just 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: watched recent recently on a preview. And my here's the 28 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: pinch me moment. That show's about to go to one 29 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty countries across the world and we're in 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: our little suburban home watching it on Netflix, and my 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: eldest daughter starts weeping because she's seeing characters inspired by 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: her grandparents essentially, you know, in a world where she 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: doesn't know about. Right, she's sixteen, And then she starts 34 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: weeping and I grab her fingers across the lounge and 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, honey, is it too sad? And then 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: she goes, she goes, it's too beautiful. So yeah, like 37 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: so that that's a real pinch me moment, And yeah, 38 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: it's it's just every moment. And then the best ones 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: are the ones where everyone comes up and goes, hey, like, 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: thank you for writing about the darkness. You're bringing me 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: some light, you know. 42 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: Well, the searching for the light. You grew up in 43 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: a housing commission scenario, and as you say, you can 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: tap into this darkness, how have you been able to 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: find the light where others haven't? And if your books 46 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: helped other people do this? 47 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: Ah, And I think the big difference with me and 48 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, everyone asked me about 49 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: like I had this person asked me, how do we 50 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: solve youth crime? And I was like, that's such a 51 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: big question. And but one thing is allow the people 52 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: to love those mainly young boys who have committed those kinds. 53 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: Allow keep those boys with the people who can love 54 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: them best. You know, Mum got put away and stuff, 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: and like that was a massive hurd or for her 56 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: to get over and stuff, but she never stopped loving 57 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: her full son. Like you all through that. There's no 58 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: time in which she's not going. I will kick you 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: all up the backside if you follow us down this road. 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: And my old man was the same in that world 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: of housing commission and stuff. So I feel for anyone 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: just doesn't have love. 63 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: And there's a belief when someone goes to jail that 64 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 3: it's a predetermined path, that that kids will follow them 65 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: down that path. But one of the great misconceptions about 66 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: Australia is we have the lowest rate of recip of 67 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 3: theism in the world. As far as when people go 68 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: to jail, they're not likely to go back to jail. 69 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: Everyone says a revolving prison system, but it's better to 70 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: keep someone out of jail than be in jail. 71 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: And you give me chills. I try and tell people 72 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: that relentlessly, please keep the connection between the mum, in 73 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: particular female prisoners in their mums who are doing the 74 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: toughest lags of them all because they've got kids on 75 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: the outfit. Every hardened crimin will tell you a mum 76 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: will do a lag harder than anyone. I'm going to 77 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: get emotional, mate, but it's so true and we need 78 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: to get that connection going. We need to allow the 79 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: mum to return to being a mum again. And because 80 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: she will not, she will not repeat a fan that's 81 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: you're so right, because there's no greater lesson than having 82 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: your time away from the people you love. 83 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: And the idea too that the lightness and the darkness 84 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: can exist side by side. It's there's no there's a 85 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 2: million shades of gray. 86 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: Yep Ah. We are not one thing. Are we well? 87 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: You're writing great stuff. A Million Shades of Gray, by 88 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 3: the way, has already been taken. It's a lot, it's 89 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: a lot. 90 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: I won't go down that road. I won't. I won't 91 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: go into too much gray. 92 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: Don't watch it with your kids. 93 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: Maybe million shades of gray. That's a lot of process tread. 94 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 3: It's great to talk to you. Lola in the Mirror 95 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: is on sale now from all Good bookstores. Trent Dalton, 96 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: It's better treat. 97 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: It's been my absolute pleasure. I love you guys, so 98 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much.