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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro

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Speaker 1: sensationally unmasks a TikTok troll. Ella McGrath hits back at

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Speaker 1: a follower for calling her unrelatable. Taylor Swift is engaged,

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Speaker 1: and our Friday Debrief. But first, this new snuck in

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Speaker 1: just in time, hence the Tammy double up. So Tammy

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Speaker 1: Hembro has finally addressed her romance with AFL star Bailey Smith,

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Speaker 1: calling him a sweetie.

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Speaker 2: So she made the confession to a Herald Sun journalist

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Speaker 2: while appearing at a fashion event in Melbourne on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 2: So when I asked what she was doing in Melbourne,

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Speaker 2: she replied, I'm here for a few things, a little work,

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Speaker 2: a little play and a bit of both. So Melbourne

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Speaker 2: is of course where Bailey Smith lives and also, awkwardly,

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Speaker 2: her ex husband Matt Sakowski.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing this is why she's been giving quotes of

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Speaker 1: the Herald's son, just so Matt can see it.

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Speaker 2: Well, she's really just gifted him another opportunity to call

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Speaker 2: the PAP so they can take free of him reading

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Speaker 2: the newspaper at a cafe again.

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Speaker 1: Perfect Now. When asked about Bailey Smith, Tammy said I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to say anything about Bailey except he's a sweetie.

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Speaker 1: He's a good guy. She then said she wouldn't comment

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Speaker 1: further when asked if she would be attending the Brownlow

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Speaker 1: Metal next month. I take that as a yes or.

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Speaker 2: That Bailey hasn't asked her yet and she's waiting to

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Speaker 2: be invited.

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Speaker 1: It is going to be such a huge social media

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Speaker 1: moment if Tammy does rock up on the red carpet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just another part of the plot, really, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: This is sort of what I've been writing songs about

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Speaker 2: wanting to happen to me since I was, yeah, a teenager.

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Speaker 2: On Wednesday, Everyone's parasocial bestie got engaged. Taylor Swift and

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Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey broke the Internet for the second time in

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Speaker 2: two weeks by sharing the news to Instagram alongside an

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Speaker 2: engagement photoshoot. Amy. I feel like it's one of those

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Speaker 2: pop culture moments where you remember where you were when

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Speaker 2: you heard the news.

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Speaker 1: Where were you, Well, I was in bed like most

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Speaker 1: people and For some reason, I woke up right on

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Speaker 1: three am. It was probably to do with the fact

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Speaker 1: I had a big cup of tea before I went

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Speaker 1: to bed, so I need to go to the newborn. No, no, Harry,

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Speaker 1: he was fast asleep. But I looked at my phone

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Speaker 1: to see what the time was, and I had all

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Speaker 1: these text messages from Sophie being like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you're awake, but like Taylor Swift is engaged. I

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Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck? So I quickly clicked on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and it was one of those moments where I

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Speaker 1: genuinely felt so happy for Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: Well, I found out the news a couple of hours later.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately my phone was on do not Disturb. Sophie was

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Speaker 2: awake and found out in real time because she was

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Speaker 2: awake feeding her son Luca.

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Speaker 1: Sophie saw the news so early that there wasn't even

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Speaker 1: any news articles out. There was nothing on x She

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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, is this real. It reminded

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Speaker 1: me of when I first saw the Megan Markle Baby

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Speaker 1: Mama dance video. I saw that during a late night

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Speaker 1: feet and thought, fuck, this can't actually be serious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, when I looked at my phone I'm like, what's

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Speaker 2: going on? Because you know when you swipe up the

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Speaker 2: notifications and there's so many, I could just see a

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Speaker 2: picture and as soon as I saw it, I was like,

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Speaker 2: I saw the name Taylor Swift. I was like, she's engaged.

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Speaker 2: The post really surprised me. I didn't think we would

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Speaker 2: be blessed with such an insight into the proposal.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was shocked as well that we got a

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Speaker 1: close up of the ring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I thought they would keep that one under wraps, firstly

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Speaker 2: for security reasons and secondly to avoid all of that

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Speaker 2: media scrutiny of them obsessing how much it costs. But

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Speaker 2: I suppose it was only going to be a matter

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Speaker 2: of time before someone got a sneaky shot of the

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Speaker 2: ring of Paparachi, so they might as well share it

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Speaker 2: with everyone.

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Speaker 1: Ey longtime listener Rodney, he said he thought you would

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Speaker 1: describe it as a big fuck offering.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what it is. It is a big

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Speaker 2: fuck offering. It has been estimated to be worth a

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Speaker 2: million dollars. It literally just looks perfect for Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: Like if I had to pick out an engagement ring

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Speaker 2: for her, that is what I would have picked and

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Speaker 2: Travis has done an amazing job because apparently he actually

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Speaker 2: designed the ring himself.

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Speaker 1: I keep hearing everyone say, wow, that's better than paper ring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, she did say she likes sparkly things, so

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Speaker 1: It's a very sparkly thing. I think I would actually

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Speaker 1: rock on my finger.

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Speaker 2: Oh rock, But it's not garish like that ring that

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Speaker 2: Ronaldo recently proposed with. That was just that was ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not as if Travis could have given her

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Speaker 1: just some I mean even a two carrot diamond. It

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it's important to point out that

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Speaker 2: this is a very special diamond. So it's an old

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Speaker 2: mine cut diamond, which is basically an antique handcut diamond.

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Speaker 2: And Amy, you mentioned how sparkly it is. Apparently it's

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Speaker 2: meant to sparkle with a soft romantic glow and fire.

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Speaker 2: So it's just a really fancy sparkle.

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Speaker 1: To sparkle with a soft romantic glow.

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Speaker 2: That's apparently what the mind cut diamonds do. Wow, that's

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Speaker 2: why they cost a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Well, the question would have been if this was an

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Speaker 1: influenza ring? Was it a lab diamond? Clearly this is

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Speaker 1: not one.

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Speaker 2: Please don't insult everyone involved in this story. But even

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Speaker 2: suggesting that this diamond was.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if a lot of people will be trying

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Speaker 1: to get the Taylor Swift ring in mozern.

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Speaker 2: I do you remember when Kim Kardashian got engaged to

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Speaker 2: Chris Humphreys and Diva Remember that brought out the fake

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Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian rings. I got one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was either the Kim k ring you could

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Speaker 2: Well that's not Kate Middleton, that's engage at ring. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: two for one. Really, what did you think about the

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Speaker 2: setup that Travis put together?

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Speaker 1: We looked like something out of The Bachelor Finale.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I showed the photo to reason that's exactly

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Speaker 2: what he said.

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Speaker 1: And also I read that it was actually in Travis

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the most bizarre thing to come from

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Speaker 2: this story, because Taylor is famous for having this pr

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Speaker 2: of public relations and all the pr around Taylor Swift

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Speaker 2: is very calculated. So when Travis Kelsey's dad, Ed Kelsey,

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Speaker 2: It was absolutely ridiculous. And he came out and dropped

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Speaker 2: all of these juicy details. So he said that he's

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Speaker 2: known about this for a long time and he and

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Speaker 2: Taylor's dad, Scott, have been saying just get on with it,

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Speaker 1: But is this part of tree Pain's mastermind getting the

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Speaker 1: he's able to drop all of these really cute details

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Speaker 1: about the engagement. He's making Taylor look like one of us.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's very endearing, but I think he needed to

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Speaker 2: rain it in a little bit because he said that

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Speaker 2: Travis was getting a bit antsy and he was trying

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Speaker 2: to find the perfect time, like the perfect date to

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Speaker 2: do it, because obviously Taylor is all into numerology and

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Speaker 2: Scott Swift said, oh, come on, when are you going

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Speaker 2: to get this dune? Just get it? Done. Don't worry

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Speaker 2: about any special date. You're ready, You've got the ring,

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Speaker 2: go do it. So, as you mentioned, Travis proposed in

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Speaker 2: his backyard in Missouri, and Ed Kelsey explained that Travis

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Speaker 2: and Taylor were about to go to dinner, and Travis said, oh,

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Speaker 2: and then he went out and asked her to marry him.

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Speaker 1: Surely that flower set up isn't permanently like that in

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, he had it specially set up for it.

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Speaker 2: Kind of reminds me when Alex Cooper got engaged in

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Speaker 2: her partner had this whole fancy set up in the backyard.

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Speaker 1: I can understand the pressure that Travis would have felt.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many millions of people are talking about

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Speaker 1: this engagement. Everyone has their say about it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: everything has been very complimentary so far. But it's not

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Speaker 1: as if he could have just, you know, proposed down

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Speaker 1: on one knee in their kitchen.

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Speaker 2: What's funny you say that because Ed Kelsey and Scott

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Speaker 2: Swift actually told him, look, you could go do it

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Speaker 2: love it. Yeah, not true. It's funny. I just had

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Speaker 2: a light bulb moment when you were talking before Amy,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my god, Reese proposed to me in

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Speaker 1: I've seen all these people on TikTok going, oh, we've

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Speaker 1: timed it perfectly. I'm also engaged at the same time

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Speaker 1: as Taylor Swift planning a wedding, and people were saying

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Speaker 1: they didn't know now whether to postpone their wedding dates

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Speaker 1: in order to then copy everything that Taylor and Travis do.

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Speaker 2: Look, I hate to say it, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: So I've been loving the commentary around Travis changing his name.

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Speaker 2: People are saying, oh, it's going to be a bit

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Speaker 2: hard to get used to seeing Swift on the back

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Speaker 2: of his jersey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Travis Swift has a nice ring to it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he'll follow it their footstaf of Dalton Henshaw taking

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Speaker 1: Laura's last name. I've seen a bit of speculation online

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Speaker 1: that Travis might have popped the question after the podcast recording,

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Speaker 1: because people are saying that you can see the indentation

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Speaker 1: of the headphone that Taylor was wearing, and people have

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Speaker 1: also said she's got the same nails on the same lipstick,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's kind of adding up.

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Speaker 2: Well, in hindsight, it seems like we all should have known,

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Speaker 2: because Travis's mum dropped major clues on Sunday when she

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Speaker 2: The Kingdom. So she was asked by a reporter what

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Speaker 2: was making her son so happy right now, and she said,

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Speaker 2: I think his mind is settled. That's about all I

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Speaker 2: feels like he's on a mission and he knows exactly

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Speaker 2: what he wants now. Travis's dad, Ed was also there,

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Speaker 2: and when he was asked the same question, he said, Taylor,

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Speaker 2: there's no question about it now. I think that Tree

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Speaker 2: Paine really needs to get Donna and Ed Kelsey in

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Speaker 2: to a session with her before Taylor, Swift and Travis

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Speaker 2: potentially start trying to have children, because they're going to

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Speaker 2: give it away.

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Speaker 1: Well, I saw the interview with Donna before I knew

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Speaker 4: This phenomenon of people rooting for others, especially online, until

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Speaker 4: Just because someone has something you don't doesn't mean you

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, isn't it just how much money people can

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Speaker 2: I do wonder, though, if this rhetoric is going to

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Speaker 2: But I think people aren't happy with it, and that's

438
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Speaker 2: why we've seen this revolt and more normal people becoming

439
00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 2: content creators. I think the issue is that there is

440
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,119
Speaker 2: a saturation now of influencers and not enough money to

441
00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,200
Speaker 2: go around, So a lot of influence is now are

442
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,560
Speaker 2: earning what you probably typically earn in a nine to

443
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,160
Speaker 2: five job.

444
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm literally crying, laughing, like I actually like I can't.

445
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,600
Speaker 5: Tammy Hembro has sensationally unmasked one of her trolls on TikTok.

446
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,919
Speaker 5: The og Australian influencer, was in high spirits when she

447
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 5: named and shamed the middle aged man. In fact, she

448
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,600
Speaker 5: opened the video by saying she'd been crying with laughter

449
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 5: in the car about the situation. Tammy explained that there

450
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,200
Speaker 5: are people who go out of their way to visit

451
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,680
Speaker 5: her page and comment or DM a really crazy shit

452
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 5: every day, and she laughed at the prospect of these

453
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 5: people thinking she would take what they said to heart,

454
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 5: saying that they clearly have nothing better to do with

455
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,639
Speaker 5: their time and were unhappy with themselves. In order to

456
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 5: give the trolling situation context, she decided to share with

457
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Speaker 5: her two million followers on TikTok, one of the more

458
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 5: persistent trolls.

459
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Speaker 2: This is what she said, You effing weirdo, Like, that's weirdo,

460
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,439
Speaker 2: like weirdo behavior, You're weird anywhere.

461
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you

462
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,680
Speaker 1: an example, because nine times out of your hand is.

463
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Speaker 3: Like some creepy man who's probably a freaking in cell.

464
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Speaker 6: And it's just like, it's weirdo, weirdo.

465
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Speaker 5: I feel like I haven't heard the word weirdo used

466
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 5: in so long and so many times in a row.

467
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Speaker 1: It perfectly summed up the person that she was talking about.

468
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 1: The guy is just a complete weirdo. And if anyone

469
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 1: wondering what an in cell is, it is someone who's

470
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Speaker 1: an involuntary celibate person. And often these people are men

471
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Speaker 1: and they're wanting to find a romantic or sexual partner

472
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Speaker 1: but can't.

473
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and This term has been more recently associated with

474
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Speaker 5: this online subculture of men who just go out there

475
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Speaker 5: and hate women, sort of a part of the manosphere,

476
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 5: and they're very hostile towards women.

477
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if Tammy has had an influx of them

478
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 1: recently due to her relationship with Bailey Smith.

479
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Speaker 5: I definitely think so, because I've noticed a lot of

480
00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 5: wives and girlfriends of footy players having to deal with

481
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,679
Speaker 5: creeps like this as well.

482
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Speaker 1: The best part about this video is Tammy went on

483
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: to name and shame this man to her two million followers.

484
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: Normally I don't like doxing, but in this case, I

485
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Speaker 1: think it was warranted. So she showed a photo of

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Speaker 1: him alongside his handle. Let's throw to what she said.

487
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Speaker 3: Peter Wallwork seventy nine.

488
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 6: I replies to every single story that I post.

489
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Speaker 3: Saying slut like Peter, what the fuck are you doing

490
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 3: with your life?

491
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Speaker 1: Mate? Like come on? Makes me feel sick. It makes

492
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 1: me feel actually sick. Anyway, Well, this guy just looked

493
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: like the sort of person that you would expect would

494
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Speaker 1: be writing these awful comments.

495
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Speaker 2: I actually recoiled.

496
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 5: When I saw his image because it'd be very intimidating

497
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 5: getting messages daily from this guy calling you a slut.

498
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 5: But I'm glad that she could make light of it

499
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 5: and have a lot.

500
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: It's sad the same for people who haven't seen the photo.

501
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: This guy, he looks what middle aged, like in his fifties.

502
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: He looks like he probably smokes a pack of cigarettes

503
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: a day with a truck driver. He was dressed in

504
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: fleurros Well, he looked a bit scary. It looks like

505
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: a mugshot. Almost.

506
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

507
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 5: Sadly though, it's not just men like this that are

508
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 5: messaging Tammy abusive messages. She said that girls do it too,

509
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 5: and it makes her really sad, and she told women,

510
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 5: it's ugly energy, and you're making yourselves look ugly when

511
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 5: you do this. Tammy then said this.

512
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Speaker 6: If you're watching all my videos, watching all my stories,

513
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 6: like I'm sorry, that is giving fan so like you

514
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 6: are embarrassing yourself, like what, like why do you care

515
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 6: about me and my life? Go away?

516
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 5: She's so right because there is such a fine line

517
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 5: between stands and trolls, and a troll is usually a

518
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 5: stan who has become disillusioned with this influencer, perhaps that

519
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 5: they've done something and they feel like their parasocial relationship

520
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 5: has been ruined. So I'm getting this guy that likes

521
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 5: to message Tammy abusing her every day used to really

522
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 5: like her and then maybe she dared to date someone

523
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 5: in her real life or I think that might be.

524
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: The case for the women who are messaging Tammy nasty

525
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: things now, but not so much in the instance of

526
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: this middle aged man. I think he's just a troll.

527
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: He's like the typical man that would sit in the

528
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: Daily Mail comments. Yeah, but he does it.

529
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 5: Every day, Like there's a difference between maybe doing it

530
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 5: once on a video like this guy's obsessed for a reason,

531
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 5: Like I think there's more Abi Chatfield.

532
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: And other creators like that attract these kinds of people

533
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: as well. They just target particular women because they're disgusting.

534
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: As you said, he is probably one of these in

535
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: cell men and in their forum, so the probably share

536
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: links to creators like Abbi Chatfield and Tammy. Hembro Well.

537
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Speaker 5: Talking about Abbi Chatfield, she actually commented under Tammy's video saying,

538
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 5: I'm screaming at this ha ha ha. So obsessed.

539
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: And I wonder if there is potentially a.

540
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Speaker 5: Friendship brewing between Abby and Ta because a couple of

541
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 5: days later, Tammy posted a video dancing on the beach

542
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 5: to Abby's boyfriend Adam Hyde's new song Dancing Too, which

543
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 5: is the song he wrote about Abby, and Tammy captioned

544
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 5: the video Abby sis, I watched your video twenty times and.

545
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: Cried I love Love.

546
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 5: So the video Tammy's referring to, I don't know if

547
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 5: you've seen it, Amy, is the one where Abby reacts

548
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 5: to listening to the song the first time.

549
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, her video has gone viral, and so has Adam's song.

550
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: Everybody is sharing TikTok's using the sound, and a lot

551
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: of people are saying that they want this to be

552
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: their summer anthem.

553
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 5: Well, the video Tammy shared already had over a million views,

554
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 5: so Abby ended up writing underneath it Tammy with crying

555
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 5: faces and love hearts. This is so gorge Someone else

556
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 5: wrote under the video the fact you credited Abby love

557
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 5: it power to women, and Tammy replied, I love her,

558
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 5: So I feel like something is coming between them.

559
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: Maybe a tell all podcast interview.

560
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 5: Well, Tammy's been pretty busy because this week she starred

561
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 5: in a Christmas pajama campaign, and I got really excited

562
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 5: because I'm like, okay, this is the sign that we

563
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 5: can start celebrating Christmas. It's happening the influencer Christmas pajama campaigns.

564
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: Well, you're so excited that you shared it on our

565
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: Instagram page, so much so that some people thought that

566
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: we were doing a sponsored post for them.

567
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

568
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 5: They're like, oh, okay, why have you not disclosed the partnership.

569
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: I was like, what, it's just like, you clearly don't

570
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: get me. I just sad that, like Christmas, Okay, it's

571
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the brand itself.

572
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the brand is a small business. They're called

573
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 5: Cinnamon Baby. Again, this is not a plug for them,

574
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 5: but it's pretty interesting because they had a Father's Day

575
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 5: campaign recently with Tammy's ex Matt Paul and his partner

576
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 5: an Elise, and Tammy and Matt's daughter Posey and their

577
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 5: baby Parker. So Posey is going to be in the

578
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 5: Father's Day campaign and also the Christmas one.

579
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Speaker 1: That is kind of awkward, isn't it.

580
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: It is a little bit.

581
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 5: I was just thinking though, how much budget does this

582
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 5: company have for influencers, because those are some pretty big gaps.

583
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: Because I've seen a lot of tiktoks from the owner

584
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: of Cinnamon Baby, and she gives some insights into what

585
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: it's like running her brand, and from that perspective, it

586
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: looks kind of like quite a business. You wouldn't actually

587
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: expect them to have such a huge influencers spend, but

588
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: I have seen influencers like Sarah's Day commenting on their content,

589
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: so they are a very popular brand with influences.

590
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 5: Well, talking about Tummy's ex'es, we've covered Matt Paul and

591
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 5: we've covered Matt Sakowski, but we need to talk about

592
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 5: Reese Hawkins because his new girlfriend, liv Kelly, who is

593
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 5: also an influencer, has actually opened up about how they met.

594
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 5: So she did a Q and A and of course

595
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 5: she was asked about Reese and she revealed that they

596
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 5: actually met online. I'm guessing an Instagram DM slide and

597
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 5: she added that they were both really content on their

598
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 5: own and not searching for a relationship. But I guess

599
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 5: that's when you meet your person.

600
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Speaker 1: It could have also potentially been rare true.

601
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 5: I think it's probably more likely Instagram, though, considering they

602
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 5: both got very big following.

603
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: This was the old flame emoji back and forth.

604
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you wouldn't think it would actually turn into

605
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 5: something serious with her living on the Gold Coast and

606
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 5: Reese Hawkins in Balley. Do you think he'll move because

607
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 5: his kids are on the Gold Coast?

608
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: Well, you think he would have moved for the kids previously.

609
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. If he's not moving back for the kids,

610
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: maybe he's not going to move back for her. Now,

611
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: let's get into our Friday debrief, and Kate, I need

612
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: to call you out because on our recent subscriber episode,

613
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: you had a go at Laura Henshaw for appearing on

614
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: the Kickpod when she was very under the weather, so

615
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: she sounded really, really croky. You don't sound too good yourself.

616
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: Look, I didn't have a go I just said I

617
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: couldn't believe that she was made to work under those conditions.

618
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: And also the audio was quite bad. I don't think

619
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: I sound as croaky as her, But I'm starting to

620
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: get like that because we've been recording for quite some time.

621
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: The awkward thing is we actually recorded our Tammy Hembro

622
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: Troll episode yesterday just to break down the fourth wall

623
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: when I had a sore throat. But I wasn't actually

624
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: fully croky yet and we actually recorded virtually so I

625
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: haven't passed it on to you anything like that. So sorry,

626
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: if there is a difference between my voice in those

627
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: two segments.

628
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: Look your excuse, and hopefully you'll be sounding a lot

629
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: better in Tuesday's episode. Now, I've got a rather embarrassing

630
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: story I need to share with the listeners and hopefully

631
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: it make me feel better by sharing it. So I'm

632
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: trying to say this sensitively to any of the male

633
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: listeners who the two percent who tune in maybe just

634
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: tune out for this story. So basically, I have my

635
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: period back, and because I'm home a lot now with Harry,

636
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: it is quite difficult to get out to the shop.

637
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: So the other day I text Dale and I said, look, Dale,

638
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: can you please pick up some pads on the way home?

639
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: And anyone who's been postpart and will understand my need

640
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: for a particular kind of sanitary item. I didn't need

641
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: a thin pad. I needed quite a heavy flowing pad.

642
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: And Dale was like, I have no idea which items

643
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: you need. Can you send me a screenshot? I said,

644
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 1: no worries, so I went on too Wolworth's website. I

645
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: screenshot what I needed and I decided to drop it

646
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: into my I messages, not realizing that the last person

647
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: I text, who was actually a client for Hula Media.

648
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: Somehow I dropped it in and sent it to them. No,

649
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: it was a female, but my heart absolutely dropped and

650
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: I was like, for fox sake, I actually cannot be

651
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: even like the person I sent it to would probably

652
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: find it funny, but I just didn't have the energy

653
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: have to explain it. I just unsent it instantly. I

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Speaker 1: unsent it, so I have no idea if they saw it,

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Speaker 1: but I unsent it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you didn't even acknowledge it.

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Speaker 1: Now I didn't acknowledge it.

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Speaker 2: That would make me feel more awkward if someone didn't

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Speaker 2: acknowledge it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think she saw it. I did

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Speaker 1: it within like ten seconds.

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Speaker 2: I but doesn't it still come up like Amy has unsentiments?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they probably thought, oh, she probably just

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Speaker 1: accidentally sent something that you know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, on that note, I think that's what we've

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Speaker 2: got time for. I literally can't speak much longer at all.

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Speaker 1: And if anyone else can make me feel better, send

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Speaker 1: us in, like, have what have you sent to somebody accidentally?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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